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I said I actually liked PM Ganondorf because it was closer to its roots and that made me want to actually bother trying to learn how to play him in PM.
Well, i think her tether was nerfed (?) Then the general tether nerf came in and ice mode took some hits... shes prob weaker than she was before
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Marth bodies Samus, garbo tier character
There aren't any notable tournaments to make a reliable tier list.
That jump you gotta do, if someone has ledge is a big nerf...Tether nerfed slightly, she may have to bomb jump one more time to get back to the stage
D-Smash is still good, recoveries nerfed, easier gimps.
I highly contest the idea that lucario has a bad neutral game. Aura sphere is good, hits into side b on shield is good, down b is good, and now lucario's shield is decent. This character's neutral game was never bad, it was simply not understood. In all the sparring i've done with Khanye, i've seen an incredible neutral game with a lot of momentum cancelling and changes unleashed. Aura sphere cancelling and regular aura usage adds a lot to complicate Lucario's neutral game.
I did say as of now. Lots of his known charge applications are still underdeveloped. Not sure what you mean by momentum cancelling. That was a Brawl thing that reduced knockback. ASC isn't a neutral tool like you're thinking if what I'm understanding is correct. ASC is a tool used to reset to neutral faster. Yes his charges really heighten his neutral game, but without them he's more limited given his advanced movement options are pretty poor.
Have you seen Lucarios mix between down b approaches, and b reversed ASC to create unpredictable movement in neutral? He has some NICE mobility and movement tools in neutral. I'm not sure where all of the claims of him being bad in that phase of the game come from. It just seems like people being dismissive without truly understanding.
You mean wavebounce AS? ASC is the term we Lucarios use to cancel something like jab, DA, fair, etc. into AS to reset to neutral faster. However just throwing them out isn't a good thing. You can get punished pretty hard if you just throw out DT. An active hitbox at the end of it will punish you hard. His other spacing options (fsmash and AS on the ground) are very punishable because of the lag. What you're thinking about are these burst movement options, or committing to a wavebounce, to throw you off. DT always goes a set distance without charge.
Most of Lucario's options are minus on shield. Try buffering your rolls. AS loses distance with charge, and has plenty of punishable end lag. BAS is the best pressure option out of AS. You got the part about not forcing in unless he has a charge right. It's because his other options aren't the useful outside of something involving dash.
Are you sure that they're significantly minus on shield even with cancels? I also didn't say he has true blockstrings, what I meant was that most pokes chain directly into strong mixups or DT away, among other things (forcing your opponent to bail w/ buffered rolls all the time is a strength, not a weakness). As Lucario's opponent you can never really expect to get an OoS punish, and that means you have to be evasive (he can probably match or exceed this with a good DD) or wall him out.
Going off of what Hylian has said, yes I'm fairly sure his options are minus on shield. I do have people buffer roll out of my pressure on shield.
Are you HONESTLY comparing OHC to shine?
"nerfed slightly"Tether nerfed slightly, she may have to bomb jump one more time to get back to the stage
D-Smash is still good, recoveries nerfed, easier gimps.
There's normally like 3 or 4 frames between shield stun and the grab box, everyone can just buffer a roll away.
"Polarizing" has become such a buzz word in these forums, people don't even know what it means anymore.
I really like those ideas, but I have some questions. What would standard picmin pluck be like without the "pikmin charge"? And while the randomness of olimar may be annoying at times, the reason why it is there is to make the player think on their feet. Are there still going to be elements of this or are you going to push for 0 randomness?
every pluck would be red and yellow in order.
Very nice, I could even see these ideas put into the game if it is possible. It would be very interesting for a character to be rewarded that well and in that way on hit, as normally characters get a reward of "sic combos yo". I also like how it would reward players for understanding the character more deeply, as you would have to know followups from different stages of pikmin. Combining this with some changes to his recovery would make me consider hovering over olimar on the CSS.
I think you/people who say he has a good neutral are the ones that don't understand the character and as a by-product don't play optimally vs him which leads to over-rating.
No..Spacies pressure is much safer and they can punish you for rolling because they don't get stuck in laggy animations when they whiff.
No..they can't lmao. Down-b has TWELVE frames of start-up. You can certainly shieldgrab it if misspaced. It does prevent WD OoS -> grab however.
But it isn't a bad neutral game like people are saying. I don't think anyone is saying it's top tier, but it's average at worst. That'd be like calling Roy's speed a weakness.
He needs quick, and actual jabs to make better use of his game play concept also.
