Tier list alternative - Rate the characters! (experienced players only)

[Superstar]

Long DJC bairs is playing defensive. It's pretty much poking the enemy, kindof. It's called spacing.

It's not much of an approach, mostly harrasing someone. Fun harrasment, at that.

 

[Surri-Sama]

the backwards momentum you get from Ness' jump is awesome ....if you learn it..other wise its kinda random and useless....

 

[Fireblaster]

I've been saying this for a while but people look at it and say "Ness is teh sux"

>_>

LEARN TO PLAY HIM

If people played Yoshi as they do most chars Yoshi would suck too...

Ness sucks.

 

[greenblob]

My revised Tier List for Super Hitbox Bros: Projectiles

Top
Pika 10
Fox 9
Kirby 8.5

High
Falcon 7
Ness 6

Mid
Mario 4.5
Yoshi 4
DK 3.5

Low
Luigi 3
Link 3
Jiggly 2

Bottom
Samus 0.5

 

[Seala]

Pikachu - 10
Kirby - 9.5
Fox - 9.5
Falcon - 9.0
Mario - 8.5
Jigglypuff - 8.5
DK - 8.0
Luigi - 8.0
Yoshi - 7.0
Ness - 7.0
Link - 6.5
Samus - 5.0

Only reason why DK should be any lower then that imo is because he's instant fail vs Kirby

 

[Surri-Sama]

Pikachu - 10
Kirby - 9.5
Fox - 9.5
Falcon - 9.0
Mario - 8.5
Jigglypuff - 8.5
DK - 8.0
Luigi - 8.0
Yoshi - 7.0
Ness - 7.0
Link - 6.5
Samus - 5.0

Only reason why DK should be any lower then that imo is because he's instant fail vs Kirby

Luigi really sucks D:

 

[Seala]

Oh really? Personally I can't play with him. At all. But I've met some pretty good ones.

 

[Superstar]

I've met some pretty good Links. And some pretty good Samus.

Only complaints with Green's list are that Kirby > Fox [overall], and Jiggs is WAY better than that [at the very least better than Link, though I think she should go higher]. Some other minor quirks with numbers, like the gap between Mario/Ness, but otherwise gud.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

I've met some pretty good Links. And some pretty good Samus.

Only complaints with Green's list are that Kirby > Fox [overall], and Jiggs is WAY better than that [at the very least better than Link, though I think she should go higher]. Some other minor quirks with numbers, like the gap between Mario/Ness, but otherwise gud.

You really think fox is worse than kirby.

Please explain. Fox has the best projectile in the entire game and incredibly good setups vs every character. Even with being able to DI out of down airs, fox has 0 to deaths vs everyone. I believe the only character better than fox is Pikachu....and thats just because Pikachu is overpowered in every other department besides projectiles.

Kirby is still extremely good and deserves a third spot just because of the priority and gimp factor.

 

[greenblob]

Jiggly sucks. You can DI out of her main combos and she has absolutely NO PRIORITY. The only way to play Jiggs is to wait for your opponent to leave an opening and hope that her non-existent legs will carry her fat body quickly enough to take advantage of it.

 

[Superstar]

Kirby > Fox cause Korby is broke.

Easy combos on most [or all] characters on the cast, best spike in the game, INCREDIBLE priority, not only high priority but fastest utilt. Also an actual good recovery as far as SSB64 recoveries go. Only thing Kirby really sucks at is approach, which is why you play Kirby defensive.

I'm buffing what I've seen on Kirby, because almost no one good plays Kirby. Kirby has bad representation, so if you go by that alone, of course Fox will look better than Kirby. I don't have to bring in Fox counterarguments, cause you already brought them in.

Also, Greenblob, Rest combos = win. And you can DI out of anyone's combos. She's bad, but not as bad as Link.

 

[greenblob]

It's much easier to DI out of your standard Jiggly combo than it is to DI out of your, say, standard Falcon combo. Even compared to other characters that rely on drills, she has it worse because of her puny hitboxes.

Almost every character can box out Jiggly because she has tiny hiboxes, no projectile, and terrible movement speed. You can't play Jiggly offensively or defensively. The only thing you can do is wait for your opponent to give you an opening.

Jiggly has a long recovery, but it's very easy to edgeguard. Projectiles eat away at her jumps, she can't recover from below, she's floaty so there's plenty of time to read her movement, and her low priority means she can't fight her way back.

If you look at Jiggly's matchups, the only thing she has going for her are a counter on Ness and a slight counter on Yoshi and possibly Kirby and Link. She's more or less even against Falcon and DK and sucks against everyone else.

Link has awesome projectiles and great range. You can play keep-away with half the cast, especially against someone slow and awkward like Jiggly. His combos aren't shabby either. The only thing lacking is his recovery, but then look at Ness and Fox and Falcon.

I ranked Fox higher than Kirby because he can actually finish his combos with kills, he has a great projectile, and he's faster. Kirby has good priority, but so does Fox. Also, imagine a defensive Kirby against Fox. Fox has lasers, a great shield-pressure game, and speed.

 

[Superstar]

Eh, Kirby has >>> priority than Fox by so much it's not even funny. And a single matchup is not tiers. Defensive Kirby vs Fox != defensive Kirby versus the rest of the cast.

Jiggs has better recovery, but yeah, it's still pretty bad. May be pretty good compared to many, but, that doesn't mean too much. What does mean something is that she is a @!#%! to combo. Even more so than Samus [who at least can be comboed horizontally and is SLIGHTLY easier to combo, but she sucks even with that, mostly because she can't combo back].

Link's weight also makes him susceptible to the same combos as Link/Falcon. I remember me and MattNF got into an argument which he argued that any Falcon combo works on Link. After some tests, I more or less agreed, except for some small differences. Check AntD's chart, in many stuff they are EXACTLY the same. Falcon does fine with his weight/falling speeds, but Link's weakness is not ONLY his recovery.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Fox shouldnt be 2nd koro, he can 0-death everyone but hes easy to combo and gimp. any character can combo fox's weight.

pika
kirby
fox
falcon

seems right

 

[Lawrencelot]

Jigg's dair isn't easy to DI out of if you use Jiggly well. Well means: follow the DI. And it's not hard to follow with an uptilt. The main problem I find is that when you start Jigg's shorthop dair too soon, and your opponent shields, he can do anything out of the shield. And if you start the dair too late your opponent can attack first. But I play Jiggly close to the ground, that might be my problem.

 

[Nybb]

So, would the general consensus be something like this?

TOP
Pikachu

HIGH
Kirby
Fox, Falcon

MID
Mario, Ness
Jigglypuff

LOW
Yoshi
DK, Luigi

BOTTOM
Link
Samus

Where characters on the same line are about equal.

This is the impression I got after browsing this thread. Not really my own opinion, I'm not very good at this game, just my attempt at a summary since not many people did the numerical rating thing.

 

[Zen Yore]

TOP
Fox
Falcon
Kirby
Pikachu

HIGH
Mario
Jigglypuff
Donkey Kong

MID
Luigi
Link

LOW
Samus
Ness

BOTTOM
Yoshi



Ya yoshi SUCKS

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

uh oh SirhC is gonna have yoshi PMS now

 

[greenblob]

Stop putting Jiggly so high. Sure she has good combos, but everything else sucks about her. Rest is great, but Jiggly is so light you can kill her with any other finisher at the same % Jiggs kills with rest.

 

[Surri-Sama]

uh oh SirhC is gonna have yoshi PMS now

bahhhh I dont care about Yoshi...its the fact that ness...jk..the whole thing is either a joke or a very very wierd dream

 

[Superstar]

Jiggs recovery is decent, doesn't "suck". AND she doesn't get comboed too easily.

Everything is just a strong joke.

Dylan, I'm having MULTIPLE PMSs, I dunno where to start. XD

 

[greenblob]

Jiggly's recovery is long but limited and easy to follow.
She doesn't get comboed easily...by Falcon.

 

[Superstar]

And Mario. And Ness. And Samus methinks. But she gets comboed by Luigi. Not acquainted with any more characters, but I'll leap ahead and say that MOST characters cannot combo Jiggs reasonably well. Lucky her weight is so small, so she dies easy.

Only characters I can remember. She's lighter AND floatier than Samus, so, if someone can't combo Samus due to floatiness, then they can't combo Jiggs. And, last I recall, almost everyone has a problem vs Samus when it comes to comboing. Jiggs is worse. She dies early, which is what prevents that no comboing from being a pain.

Her Recover is eh. Not great, not bad. Kirby's is also limited and easy to follow, but he's still at least got UpB and attacks of mass ****.

Do not generalize so much, it's, well, bad. Words like only and all are pretty much bad to use in an argument unless you're SURE it's true.

Jiggs can be comboed, note however how I said easily. Mario might be able to do eh combos on Jiggs at lower percents, but after that...ay yay yay. Mario having advantage versus Jiggs is due to other stuff [like Mario being hard to combo as well].

 

[greenblob]

Mario can combo Jiggs reasonably well--he just can't finish. But he has that problem against pretty much everyone else.
Ness can't utilt chain Jiggs like he can against heavier characters, but his dair->uair kills at like 70%.
Samus can't combo, period. Actually, from what I've seen, Samus can combo Jiggs decently. Her weight is just right for bair chains at early/mid percents. And Jigg's light weight lets dair->bair kills occur earlier.

 

[†¹Ãgøn¥¹†]

Jiggly is imo pretty awesome in terms of combos and recovery. She can combo half of the cast from 0-dead with mind games and with only combos from 30-40 - death. And she has some of the easiests combos to learn. It's mostly a few retries before you can pull a good combo on each characters.

Sure her recovery isn't the best and isn't that hard to punish, but compared to : Link, DK, Samus, Ness and Falcon she has a good recovery. She deserves ATLEAST mid high.


as for yoshi, he deserves higher then ness, imo.

 

[Skrlx]

TOP
Pikachu
Kirby
Captain Falcon
Fox

HIGH
Mario
Jigglypuff
Luigi(IF YOU KNOW HOW TO USE HIM HE'S high)

MID
Yoshi
DK

LOW
Ness
Link

BOTTOM
Samus


made from experience and partly according to the tier list(samus)

 

[greenblob]

You can easily DI out of most of Jigg's main combos. And again, the main reason I put Jiggs so low is because of her abysmal approach and crappy defensive game. She doesn't have a projectile, her movement is sluggish, and she has crap for priority.

 

[Seagull Joe]

i hate how people keep puttin ness low.he deserves his spot as 3rd.good ness's can easily chain the dair and uair from 0 to death.cmon he also has a super recovery.
pika
kirby
ness
fox
falcon
mario
jiggz
dk
yoshi
luigi
link
samus

 

[Peek~]

i hate how people keep puttin ness low.he deserves his spot as 3rd.good ness's can easily chain the dair and uair from 0 to death.cmon he also has a super recovery.

lol , dont troll when we are this far into the thread :\

 

[Wenbobular]

At Dair - Luigi isn't that high, his approach is so bad.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

lol , dont troll when we are this far into the thread :\

I agree.

Spoiler

Ness isn't better than fox or falcon

 

[Mikhas]

Why is there always such a big gap between Mario and Luigi?

They're essentially the same character, yet there are usually 2 or 3 characters between them in the tiers. Mario has a better fireball, has a lower short hop, is less floaty, and is faster than Luigi. However Luigi has his upB to finish uair combos earlier and more consistently than Mario.

Mario is certainly better than Luigi, but not as much as the tier list suggests imo.

 

[Surri-Sama]

Why is there always such a big gap between Mario and Luigi?

They're essentially the same character, yet there are usually 2 or 3 characters between them in the tiers. Mario has a better fireball, has a lower short hop, is less floaty, and is faster than Luigi. However Luigi has his upB to finish uair combos earlier and more consistently than Mario.

Mario is certainly better than Luigi, but not as much as the tier list suggests imo.

TOP
Pikachu
Kirby
Captain Falcon
Fox

HIGH
Mario
Jigglypuff
Luigi(IF YOU KNOW HOW TO USE HIM HE'S high)

MID
Yoshi
DK

LOW
Ness
Link

BOTTOM
Samus


made from experience and partly according to the tier list(samus)

Too good.

10lolcats

 

[Superstar]

Eh, I didn't say Jiggs can't be comboed. Just can't be easily comboed [even then, might be wrong word]. As in, when it comes to comboing, Jiggs won't be hit as hard by most of the cast as they'd hit, say, Ness. She's too floaty. That's not the same as "ABSOLUTELY CAN'T BE COMBOED". I've comboed a Jiggs with Mario, but I've comboed Pikachu, Ness, Falcon, Fox, Kirby, Yoshi, DK, most everyone better than Jiggs. Same goes for Ness. I have though, 0-deathed a Jiggs with Luigi with a very simple combos, so she's not immune, I'll give you that, but Luigi isn't used that often.

Mostly, this is just a correction to a generalization. You say everything sucks about Jiggs cept Rest Combos. This, doesn't.

Also, it's funny to see Jiggs having a bad defensive game as a reason for sucking, but people say Ness sucks for having a bad offensive game when his defensive game is hardcore... I'm not saying that you say Ness sucks, just a trend I see.

Also, if you know how to use Samus she's high.

Agreed with Dylan, but I think it's more newb than troll, personally.

 

[Surri-Sama]

Agreed with Dylan, but I think it's more newb than troll, personally.

LOL ahaha now this thread is 100% win

 

[greenblob]

I said Jiggs's defensive and offensive games are both bad. She can't approach, she can't play keep-away, and she can't block incoming approaches. Above all, that's the main reason I put her so low.

 

[Superstar]

That's a good reason. As in, valid. Does not mean I agree, but that wasn't a bad argument.

She's still worse than Yoshi. :D

...o wait, was troll? ;_; There are a LOT of stupid people, so... >_<

 

[Surri-Sama]

I think I did a legit comparison of Jiggly and Yoshi some where in this thread....

even MattNF agreed with the end result!

 

[Superstar]

Even I agree dammit. :D

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

God -

Captain Falcon

High

link
samus
jiggly

MIDDLE EAST

luigi
mario
dk
fox

SUCKY

YOSHI
YOSHI
YOSHI
Pikachu
Kirby
Ness


*flame shield on*