Thought's on Kirby's current tier postion?

[kirbz]

That "C" rank feels a little degrading...

 

[Falconv1.0]

That "C" rank feels a little degrading...

Just look at the number instead of the letter and you'll feel all warm inside.

 

[-Cross-]

SH AC fair is where it's at!!!! ^_^

On a more serious note, would you say this position is due to a lack of high placing Kirby mainers or just Kirby not seeming to have much more potential? It seems Chudat is doing all the work right now.

 

[SmileyStation]

No way, ChuDat is awesome, ill admit, but to say hes the only valid Kirby main that affects the tier list is ********. There are many players that are ranking in tourneys like Chu. There are just not as many vids or talk about them.

 

[Asdioh]

What I want to know:

-Why is ROB still so high on the tier list? What is it that makes him so good?
...being lame and camping all game?

-How is Falco the third highest? Seriously, wtf o_o

 

[SmileyStation]

ROB is high on the tier list because his weight plus range and length and time of his aerials. His lazer which can and has KO'd is useful, as it is hard to dodge if its fully charged. His dodging frame advantage is godly as well as his d-smash priority. Also that spinning top thing is a paiin in the ***, i forget what its called. But it can eat a few frames of your attack if its near ROB, which can be a well timed attacke from you, turned into a terribly timed attack.


Falco is high because of his cgs on most characters, his lazer, and the range of his shield, which also reflects and is used in many combos. Hes an all around great character. Also his campyness is effective on all characters without good range attacks except kirby at times.

 

[Falconv1.0]

What I want to know:

-Why is ROB still so high on the tier list? What is it that makes him so good?
...being lame and camping all game?

-How is Falco the third highest? Seriously, wtf o_o

I am facepalming so hard right now. Asidoh what the ****.


Falco is a freaking amazing character, his cg does a nice chunk of damage and he can then chill with lasers til he can go in for an easy kill. He can have a ****ing 60/40 match up on MK if he gets an early cg for christ's sakes.

ROB can camp you like there's no tomorrow, he's heavy, he's just plain good.


Have you not realized the campy characters are the ones who do best in a game that is ****ing dominated by camping? Really?

 

[Lord Viper]

ROB's at a better place on the tier list, the reason why he was so high at the begaining because a lot of people were using him, he fit's the (high) high tier because of his great recovery and good spamming projectile's. After facing a few ROB main's with Kirby, I grow to think that he's not such a bad match up to Kirby, as long as you don't get too close to him all the time, his attack's hurt's and they have good range. But all that can be lower down if your great with Kirby's short hop's to air attack's since ROB has lag on most of his good power air attacks.

Well, Falco's case, he does well with a lot of characters, I'm suprise that people see him as a Meta Knight counter.... maybe I'll play Falco to some Meta Knight mains to see why.

 

[Falconv1.0]

Well, Falco's case, he does well with a lot of characters, I'm suprise that people see him as a Meta Knight counter.... maybe I'll play Falco to some Meta Knight mains to see why.

I've explained this a lot of times dude, it's simple stuff.

If Falco can get an early cg he does a sick chunk of damage and can then proceed to camp Mk's balls off til he's racked up enough damage for a kill. However if MK is trading equal hits with him and Falco cant get the lead then it's regarded as 6/4 match up in MK's favor. It's really that simple, lol.

 

[Mr_Orion]

well said.

 

[fromundaman]

I've explained this a lot of times dude, it's simple stuff.

If Falco can get an early cg he does a sick chunk of damage and can then proceed to camp Mk's balls off til he's racked up enough damage for a kill. However if MK is trading equal hits with him and Falco cant get the lead then it's regarded as 6/4 match up in MK's favor. It's really that simple, lol.

I see you explain the same things in every board over and over. You should just make a single thread that explains all these things and link it to people whenever a question is asked.

 

[A1lion835]

I see you explain the same things in every board over and over. You should just make a single thread that explains all these things and link it to people whenever a question is asked.

Agreed.

10threads

 

[kirbz]

despite popular belief, i think being high tier is a good thing. why?

Lets take MK for example. He will always be #1. Because the higher tier characters are usually more popular and further researched. so if enough people research kirby, maybe someone will discover a new AT or game breaking strategies.

 

[Pink murder]

Whoa! CF is at the bottom...Wait, why am i surprised xD

 

[pkblaze]

despite popular belief, i think being high tier is a good thing. why?

Lets take MK for example. He will always be #1. Because the higher tier characters are usually more popular and further researched. so if enough people research kirby, maybe someone will discover a new AT or game breaking strategies.

like the kinetic sweet baby jesus win canon?

 

[fromundaman]

I will be so happy if that name sticks...

Also, yes and no. MK has lots of players now, but most of them won't discover jack ****. It's *mainly* the good players who do.
Case in point: Ganon has probably had the most discovered ATs in the last 3-4 months of any character on these boards (to my knowledge anyway).

 

[Mr_Orion]

I am so excited to randomly find that move's name around the boards!

But yeah, since MK is just 'press button, get bacon,' nobody will strive to find anything worth being called an AT. MK's brilliance will fade soon.

And when it does, Kirby will be there, the TRUE king of Dreamland.
Yeah?

 

[Falconv1.0]

I see you explain the same things in every board over and over. You should just make a single thread that explains all these things and link it to people whenever a question is asked.

I do lol, because it's always the exact same answer everyone should know by now. I dont know how people are doing well in tourneys when they don't know the characters who have really good advantages on MK. I'd make a thread on the MK boards but people would lol at it for one random reason or another.

The things discovered about Mk are mainly found only people who are really good with him because it's mainly stuff like when to use one move or another with good timing, not like an At which any obsessed nub could find. Buck Braking is one the best examples of this, because A2ZOMG has barely gone to any tourneys in his life and basically sucks. But he found a move that lets G&W live longer for Christ's sakes. =/

I dont think tiers really matter when it comes to AT/other sutff discovery, it's more dependent on that character's community.

btw Mr orion your post post about MK made no sense at all. Really.

 

[Pink murder]

But yeah, since MK is just 'press button, get bacon,' nobody will strive to find anything worth being called an AT. MK's brilliance will fade soon.

Hopefully very soon.. im sick of constantly fighting M.K's >.>

 

[Lord Viper]

Hopefully very soon.. im sick of constantly fighting M.K's >.>

Yea, I thought people will figure out that Meta Knight is boring to play because he's so easy to master, but then I had a second thought, "maybe it's for the money," and that's the total case. XD

So far, the effective AT's that will work fighting Meta Knight would be the FC spike, or the Fast Rock if he's under the stage. Fighitng Meta Knight with Kirby is little to almost even though, (like 44-55 or 50-50).

 

[fromundaman]

MK can easily recovera FC spike unless he's already at killing percents anyway.

Also, I seriously, seriously doubt that MK brilliance will fade soon. There are still things to find for him (in fact I found one that works on a legal stage that's pretty cool just the other day). Oh, and some people DO enjoy playing him... (I, however, am not one of them.)

The real problem is the mentality people get when facing MK. So many people go into the match thinking they've already lost if their opponent is MK and has any skill. He isn't invincible. He has matchups that, while not necessarily horrible, aren't all too good for him, and has quite a few neutral matchups. We would be one of those neutral ones. So many people let the mere fact that it's MK mess with them that they play like ****. If you go into a match expecting to lose, you will.

 

[Pink murder]

Also, I seriously, seriously doubt that MK brilliance will fade soon. There are still things to find for him...

*sigh* I was afraid of that... You made some pretty good points up there. But M.k is simply annoying to fight.. his fair is rediculous to get through, and his tornado thing is nearly invincible. His speed is also a pain in the *** >.>. If anyone is anything like me, they'd get annoyed pretty quicky. Annoyance= anger. Anger= Disconcentration. Disconcentration (Even the slightest bit..)= defeat. Period. Its simply not fair in my eyes.. >.>

 

[Falconv1.0]

I'll say it again, that statement about Mk 'fading soon' makes no ****ing sense and is a stupid nonsensical claim.

Wtf is with all this MK is boring bull****. Oh wow he's really good, how boring. Quit *****ing about him like little girls, he is not that scary. I'm more afraid of Diddy or IC's than of MK.

EDIT:And remember that people **** Kirby harder than Mk ***** Kirby, seriously. G&W has much bigger advantages.

 

[Lord Viper]

Wtf is with all this MK is boring bull****.

That was a joke. x_x

 

[Pink murder]

Maybe hes not as scary as diddy or IC..
But hes still a hella lot more annoying to me >.>

 

[Falconv1.0]

Maybe hes not as scary as diddy or IC..
But hes still a hella lot more annoying to me >.>

Play Snake, dont get hit off stage. Profit.

 

[fromundaman]

Play Snake, dont get hit off stage. Profit.

That right there is the problem. Even my now almost decent Snake does good... until he gets knocked off the edge, at which point I'm lucky if I return.

 

[Pink murder]

Ive tried snake.. and the same exact thing that happens to fromundaman happens to me.

 

[Falconv1.0]

That right there is the problem. Even my now almost decent Snake does good... until he gets knocked off the edge, at which point I'm lucky if I return.

lol, try to get back and recover high up. MK wants you below him to gimp you, although he might whack you in the nuts a bit with that amazingly sexy uair, but I dont think he'd be able to get a kill.

I really question whether or not people ***** about MK due to issues fighting him or because they suck. No one *****es about G&W enough, he is much better vs. Kirby than MK, ***** about him more. =/

 

[Pink murder]

If i try to come from above, he simply shuttle loops me to my death >.>.

 

[Falconv1.0]

If i try to come from above, he simply shuttle loops me to my death >.>.

Drop c4, or something, watch Ally, he covers his *** well.

 

[Pink murder]

C4 thats.. why the hell havent i thought of that @.@
Ill try it later on today, im schedueled for a match with him.

 

[fromundaman]

That's a good idea.

Personally, I haven't looked into Snake much (except how to fight him) because I actually just started using him yesterday and realized that I like it.

 

[Asdioh]

I am facepalming so hard right now. Asidoh what the ****.


Falco is a freaking amazing character, his cg does a nice chunk of damage and he can then chill with lasers til he can go in for an easy kill. He can have a ****ing 60/40 match up on MK if he gets an early cg for christ's sakes.

ROB can camp you like there's no tomorrow, he's heavy, he's just plain good.


Have you not realized the campy characters are the ones who do best in a game that is ****ing dominated by camping? Really?

That's obvious. Everyone knows by now that Brawl is about camping etc.

I just don't like spamming or camping.

I also trash Falcos and ROBs, but maybe that's just me. They're too predictable.

And seriously, laser spamming and a chaingrab, both of which you should know to avoid, making him THIRD BEST? I don't see it. He has a freaking terrible recovery, wtf. If those 2 things put him in third place despite his bad recovery, I can see Link moving up the tier list.

Or maybe not >_>

No one *****es about G&W enough, he is much better vs. Kirby than MK

No.

Learn how to fight against G&W with Kirby, it's really not that hard. Most of his moves obviously beat most of your moves one on one, so direct combat isn't a good idea most of the time, you just have to play smart.

I was about to say "he is easy to KO" but then I remembered that broken Bucket bull. :\ hmm, in that case, you can complain about G&W.

I Dtilted a G&W out of his Bair today. He doesn't main G&W, so maybe his spacing wasn't perfect or something, but can anyone look into this XD

If Kirby's Dtilt can beat G&W's Bair in most cases, I'll laugh.

Personally, I haven't looked into Snake much (except how to fight him) because I actually just started using him yesterday and realized that I like it.

wtf :|

How can anyone actually like playing Snake? Not only is he slow, but he's broken.

Fox, on the other hand, is hella fun. I'm seriously considering making him my #2. And he does well against Snake >_> and maybe MK?

Well probably not, but I can see Fox's Upsmash KOing MK at 90% or less. 80%? I don't know. But he can KO Snake at 115%.

 

[fromundaman]

Hehe... of course, Snake Ftilt outranges Fox Usmash...

Also, remember that the rankings are also based on tourny wins, so basically more Falcos are winning tournies.

Finally, MK isn't THAT bad a matchup...

 

[Asdioh]

Hehe... of course, Snake Ftilt outranges Fox Usmash...

Also, remember that the rankings are also based on tourny wins, so basically more Falcos are winning tournies.

Finally, MK isn't THAT bad a matchup...

Yes it does, and Snake's Utilt probably outranges Fox's Dair, but that's where Reflector and mindgames come in.

Once Fox lands Dair, it simply combos into Upsmash of EPIC DEATH.

Falcos are seriously winning tourneys?

O_o

...



No comments on Kirby's dtilt beating Bair?

 

[Lord Viper]

I don't think D-Tilt can even compare to B-Air. XD

Maybe Grab release near the edge to F-Smash.

 

[Falconv1.0]

@Asidoh-Lol, I not saying he's unbeatable, I've won vs. G&W before in tourneys. I'm just saying he's better than MK vs Kirby, he lives longer and his lingering hitboxes are ghey. ****ing noob *** A2ZOMG finding that AT. I'll never stop being pissed at him.

 

[suweibunmeister]

idk.. i pretty much agree about tier lists not being that important,but i still kinda like them loosely. like, its really annoying when somebody complains about losing cuz the other guys character is one step higher up the tier list, but when if theres a mk user who beats your link and acts like hes 10x better than you at brawl thats kind of annoying.

 

[Falconv1.0]

Tiers dont determine who wins in a fight, wtf is with that misconception?

DDD is beaten by people way the **** below him that totally shatters that mindset to lil pieces.