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i'm not using infinity as an amount of time, an iteration is a repetition, so infinite iterations of DK vs. DDD would mean having DK fight DDD an infinite number of times.
CF, when fighting MK, is ALWAYS completely open. There's nothing falcon can do to stop an MK with a clue, and he has no way to punish any MK that has any idea how to space. Any attack falcon does, MK can watch it happen, decide what he wants to do, attack, and watch his attack eat completely through anything falcon throws out. It's completely auto-win. I promise.
As it turns out, you're completely wrong.
Isai would have somehow found out a secret button combination that transforms DK into Melee Falcon and proceed to do a sacred combo in Brawl.
Isn't Mew2King the best DeDeDe in the world? Have fun trying to find someone to beat him with Donkey Kong.
What if the DK spaces like hell? I've come to learn that auto wins exist at high levels of play, but your describing if I picked D3 vs some random D3. Not exactly high levels of play.
SO? Auto-Win can happen at any level of play.
Factor in Tripping and the *low* possibility of a failed move and it is possible to win
Two grabs in that video before anyone even dies, and he doesn't infinite DK.
10-Sama Dollars!
I made the exact same post on page 5. Sarcastic line followed by that video.
The point is that even at high levels of play the DDD player can make mistakes and lose. No one on the planet can play without eventually making mistakes. The infinite is not guaranteed. There isn't anyone who has a 100% success rate at "grab to deathing" a DK player with DDD. So, uh, yeah, whatever.
And? He screwed up the infinite a few times. Point is, DK won.
To be fair, I was going to just go with the *ahem* originally, but I botched an attempt to get past 10chars in the process and had to edit it into something. Fun fact: Smashboards filters alt 0173 into an asterisk. Time to break out the unicode.
The point is that if Dedede had done it right, DK would have been dead right there. We already know it's possible to beat a Dedede who keeps messing up.
You can beat an Akuma who keeps messing up, yet people say he's too unbeatable to be allowed (And I don't disagree with that).
QFT, this guy speaks the truth.
But matches like that do not count towards what the match-up represents. We do not base that on matches where one side does everything wrong while the other does everything right. We're assuming roughly equal skill level, roughly equal level of mistakes, highest level of play (and even if it's M2K or Azen behind the controller, if they're screwing up basic things, they are not playing at the highest level of play).
Still though, you can't say that the match-up is impossible for the DK player because the DDD will always win if both players plays every match perfectly. It is obviously true that the DDD would win in those circumstances, but it is completely hypothetical and playng mistake free every game is impossible. I agree that when making match-up ratios you obviously shouldn't factor in the possibility of mistakes because that doesn't show what the match-up represents, but I don't think that is what we are talking about. A DDD player can clearly lose to a DK player with a similar skill level. It may be extremely unlikely, but the point is that it is possible for the DK player to win if the DDD player makes mistakes. If you say that match-up is an auto-win then that means you are saying that the DDD player will win 100% of the games if they are both top level players of roughly equal skill. I don't see how this could possibly be true. If you are unwilling to accept the CBK vs. Zelgadis example(I understand why you don't), then just look at it this way. If Bum played 10,000 matches as DK against Seibrek or M2k playing DDD I don't think he would lose all 10,000. On a side note, I think that this thread and my argument are both pointless. In the match-ups we are talking about the outcomes are nearly certain. It doesn't matter if the match-up is an auto-win, or if it is just extremely likely that the favored character will win, because in the end the outcome is the same and the DDD or Pikachu or whoever is pretty much always going to prevail.
Assuming boredom to continue playing correctly didn't enter into the picture for Seibrek or M2K, you might very well lose if you bet on this.
I didn't mean anything by it. I wasn't trying to be condescending or anything. I just thought it was funny that we both made the same post. I don't know if you thought I meant anything or not, or if I came off that way. Just wanted to clear that up.
Ehhh, maybe, but not if they played 100,000 matches. :-)
Why do you keep assuming there's any way the DK can win?
