The Zodiac Braves a NJ/NY Crew *OMG what is that? it's a tree*

[Teczer0]

I see. Except I disagree about seven. It should be two. Namely Snake and Meta. And nothing you said makes him as good as either of them, so I'm not responding.

Way to **** my scroll bar Spam .

Marth is soooooo S-tier....

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In melee

 

[Inui]

OMG I SEE WHAT KASHIF DID THERE

LMAO

funny stuff right thar

 

[CT Chia]

what size for 20? assuming its 2gb and less since wii cant use higher, thats kind of expensive. though that gives me an idea to sell some of my black friday stash at tourneys

 

[Pierce7d]

I agree that Snake and MK are stupidly broken, and that ideally, they would be alone together in a true S-tier.

But after that wave, Marth is not outclassed by the rest of the characters.

Chibo, I heard that was the regular price, and they're more expensive for me now. I was trying to hook people up with $15 but the market has demands too. Also, it is 2 gig, very effective, works for everything I ever needed to use it for.

EDIT: That's low Spam. That's low.

 

[Inui]

You can order a 4 GB for the same price on newegg.com.

 

[CT Chia]

you can get 16gb in the $30s on newegg
2gb should be around $5 on black friday

 

[Pierce7d]

Yes, well supply and demand is good for my pocket. Stop vandalizing my trade and debate Marth's placement on the tier list with me!

 

[CT Chia]

high tier

coming soon: chibosempai certified sd cards at tourneys for $10! (jk)

 

[Teczer0]

Spam how come Kirby isn't S-tier?

He has more moves than snake and meta combined .

Kirby is S-tier IMO.

He has really amazing ... Red boots. Like fox is jealous amazing.

He eats bad guys.

He ***** me at every eating contest.

In melee/brawl he can jab reset -> eat

Top tier IMO

 

[iRJi]

Skipping the S tier comments and all. And m faut for not showing up here on the thread for a while. Just been looking around lately and haven't really posted anything. Been irritated over all.

Marth is just high tier. Although I B***h about him and all he can be stopped. Its just annoying that theirs a character that can punish jabbing.

On the personal note and quite serious about the question: Does anyone think im selfish in general? Be honest. I heard something from my Gf's father that kind of pissed me off. And I been called everything in the book but selfish. I always thought that I was one of the people to help out others when I could. Hmm, guess in some peoples eyes its not really the case.

 

[Pierce7d]

Skipping the S tier comments and all. And m faut for not showing up here on the thread for a while. Just been looking around lately and haven't really posted anything. Been irritated over all.

Marth is just high tier. Although I B***h about him and all he can be stopped. Its just annoying that theirs a character that can punish jabbing.

On the personal note and quite serious about the question: Does anyone think im selfish in general? Be honest. I heard something from my Gf's father that kind of pissed me off. And I been called everything in the book but selfish. I always thought that I was one of the people to help out others when I could. Hmm, guess in some peoples eyes its not really the case.

The question is "How can he be stopped?" All jokes aside, I'm actually trying to have a serious conversation here people.

And no, I wouldn't call you selfish RJ. Considering your standard conditions, you are quick to ask for what you want and take what you can get for survival purposes, but you are also quick to share if you have, and to help someone in need. I don't think your girlfriend's father has the right to call you selfish if he doesn't know you very well. Why did he call you selfish?

 

[BleachigoZX]

Dude, you live mad close. Just hit me up to come over any time.

I won't ever ask to go to your house, I think it's rude.
I like being invited.

That's just how I do things, so just call me if you want me to come over.

 

[iRJi]

Honestly, I know why he called me selfish. Still makes no sense still but for the conditions that I'm in I can't post the reason. you already know why I can't 7D.

But since you serious about the marth thing heres my go about it.

Lately I been comparing the game to something that makes more logical sense then what it is right now. To me the game is like chess. Every character in the game is a piece of the game, and every game of chess needs a strategy in order to play. You can't just run into the game with out knowing how to move the pieces or you will just get bashed by someone who knows the game on a deeper level.

More on the strategy note. Marth and a few other character to me are concidered the queen in the chess game. (No not because of his girlish hair) The queen in chess has the will to move freely in almost any direction it desires but despite the fact that the queen can move as much as it wants, it has it's personal flaws. Marth is like that.

Marth has his D-Slash that has invincible frames on 1 making it that he can punish moves that normal characters can't punish (jabbing included -_-, but moves that hit shield and making him a bit harder to gimp.) He has dancing blade that racks up damage for any dumb move that your opponate decides to do and it links to a few of marths other moves making him a good damage builder. His fair is used as a Offence/Defence move since it covers your whole front and it auto cancels, and at high damage it can be used to kill. His down tilt can be used to poke people's shields and from that leads to either fair's or dancing blade. Also lets not forget the move counter, How can we ever forget that.

Of course there's the thing called shield in the ga... Wait never mind... Marth has a move called shield breaker that Kills your shield, go figure.

Now in chess just because a piece is very powerful doesn't mean it has no flaws. In the hands of a weaker player its not as much as a threat, in a stronger players hands it still has its personal flaws. Same phycics can be applied to Marth.

Although he can use dancing blade to punish the opponates moves, if a carful player knows whats going to happen he can shield the dancing blade and then counter punish. D-slash is pretty much just a gut feeling that you need to have to avoid, or know the situations for the opponate to come out with it. Shield breaker isn't that scary, just don't be dumb and move out of the way when you see it. Fair is annoying, thats the bottom line of it, but still ca be stopped. Since marth is floaty he can do a Fair moving foward and a retreating fair, but he isn't a Jigglypuff floaty or a Wario floaty either meaning, you can still get him if you have something that out ranges him. Keep this in mind also, It doesn't have to be a air attack either. If he fairs you can use something like Lucarios F smash, Metaknights F smash, Etc. that can stop his fair game. I don't really want to hear " Oh the moves are too slow it won't work" because thats BS. Marths game only has so many approches and you should know when he is going to move in for a fair so be on your toes to punish it.

And now the conclusion. If you play your pieces right you can kill the queen or put them into a postition where you have an advantage. You can't really play against Marth on aggression because that might result in death for blindly rushing in, but marth has his flaws, just like everyone else. Marth to me might not be S tier, But prob. can be rated higher then he is now.

I think that comparison might sum it all up.

PS: If you like that 7D I can repost it for you in the Marth boards. Just let me know.

 

[Pierce7d]

I did RJ, that was very well written. Also, lol, @ you and R00kie calling me 7D instead of just "Pierce"

And to counter you argument, I would simply say that you should recall that in Chess, the Queen is considered to be S-tier. While perhaps lacking the capablities of a knight, it is clearly the best piece in the game. Everyone in the game has weaknesses, even MK. But similarly to MK, Marth's weaknesses are both difficult to exploit and greatly outweighed by his strengths. Characters considered to be better than Marth have highly exploitable weaknesses, such as D3's giant hurtbox, Falco's garbage recovery (just wait till the metagame catches up to the point where everyone just throws Falco off the map once, and perfectly jab gimps his recovery, so he falls and has to UpB, and then they gimp him). G&W is the only one of these characters without a hugely exploitable weakness. His lightweight stature isn't easily abused if G&W is using all of his tools correctly, but Marth is a G&W counter. Snake is also in this category, but this is why I never once argued that Marth is better than Snake.

Marth IS better than R.O.B..

 

[Inui]

Marth is better than ROB because ROB can't fight. He has huge tilts...but they are extremely weak in both damage and knockback. That's it. ROB can camp you to death and that's all. Marth can actually **** you.

Marth isn't better than the other S tiers. Diddy Kong, imo, is the bottom of S tier. If you can make the case that Marth is better than Diddy Kong, then you can compare him to the stupidity of Game and Watch, Falco, Olimar, and Dedede next.

 

[teh_spamerer]

just wait till the metagame catches up to the point where everyone just throws Falco off the map once, and perfectly jab gimps his recovery, so he falls and has to UpB, and then they gimp him

Good Falco players will never be gimped consistently in Brawl. This is because Falco's side B is super fast, has invincibility frames at some point in the beginning(I passed through Pikachu's thunder with it w/o getting damaged) moves fast, and has nearly no lag at the end. On Battlefield, Yoshi's Island, and Lylat Cruise he has the option of either recovering onto a platform, onto the stage, or onto the ledge and you have to take a GUESS to punish him. On Smashville he can recover onto the moving platform if it's on that side.

 

[bschung]

So, speaking of Chess: to anyone who's reading this, i'll accept money matches at tourneys i'm at. I always have a portable set in my car, I do not have a clock but whatever. Just don't excessively camp and stall... we can rough it with a wristwatch if necessary

Don't worry, i suck and i'm not ranked Easy money for you

 

[PenUmbra]

So, speaking of Chess: to anyone who's reading this, i'll accept money matches at tourneys i'm at. I always have a portable set in my car, I do not have a clock but whatever. Just don't excessively camp and stall... we can rough it with a wristwatch if necessary

Don't worry, i suck and i'm not ranked Easy money for you

ROFL I didn't know you played chess

I'll 1$ MM you next time you come over. I'm feeling lucky.

 

[Pierce7d]

Good Falco players will never be gimped consistently in Brawl. This is because Falco's side B is super fast, has invincibility frames at some point in the beginning(I passed through Pikachu's thunder with it w/o getting damaged) moves fast, and has nearly no lag at the end. On Battlefield, Yoshi's Island, and Lylat Cruise he has the option of either recovering onto a platform, onto the stage, or onto the ledge and you have to take a GUESS to punish him. On Smashville he can recover onto the moving platform if it's on that side.

Have you ever tried standing at the edge, and tapping A when you see Falco about to phantasm? Seriously, practice this. It's super effective. My 4 frame disjointed jab doesn't give two ****s about how "fast" phantasm is, and if he's too close to time this appropriately, I can dtilt poke him or fsmash him first. From there, Falco drops to a dangerous position. Quickly grab the edge so he cannot. Then he must UpB. Please proceed to gimp in a hilarious way.

Considering one grab on Falco can mean a combo to 27 at minimum, and if I can Uthrow to SHFFUair, a combo to 23, 45, or 62, depending on how the opponent reacts, it's not very hard to hit Falco off the stage.

Seriously, Marth's jab is godly. MK has similar tools, so you should be able to improvise.

Marth is better than ROB because ROB can't fight. He has huge tilts...but they are extremely weak in both damage and knockback. That's it. ROB can camp you to death and that's all. Marth can actually **** you.

Marth isn't better than the other S tiers. Diddy Kong, imo, is the bottom of S tier. If you can make the case that Marth is better than Diddy Kong, then you can compare him to the stupidity of Game and Watch, Falco, Olimar, and Dedede next.

Well, let's see. Marth has a positive match-up vs Diddy, Falco, Olimar and G&W, being a counter to the latter two. Marth CERTAINLY has the tools to beat D3. Marth can overcome Snake with correct juggling, usage of shield breaker, and edgeguarding. Marth ***** the rest of the cast below A-Tier, and has no negative match-ups amonst anybody below S-tier. What exactly makes him not as good as, or better than the S-tiers. You know yourself from fighting me how stupid Dolphin Slash it. It gets Marth out of everything.

 

[Inui]

I don't think Marth has a possitive match-up against Diddy nor do I think he's a counter to Olimar and Game and Watch. I think his match-up against Dedede is worse than you think it is. You caught Atomsk on a day that his Dedede was extremely rusty. I'm not trying to john for him, but it's the truth.

What makes Marth counter those characters? I don't even see a real positive against Olimar anymore, but that could be because of Atomsk's extremely gay style of playing Olimar...which is how every Olimar should play anyways.

 

[Pierce7d]

I don't think Marth has a possitive match-up against Diddy nor do I think he's a counter to Olimar and Game and Watch. I think his match-up against Dedede is worse than you think it is. You caught Atomsk on a day that his Dedede was extremely rusty. I'm not trying to john for him, but it's the truth.

What makes Marth counter those characters? I don't even see a real positive against Olimar anymore, but that could be because of Atomsk's extremely gay style of playing Olimar...which is how every Olimar should play anyways.

A) Why does everyone keep bringing up that match against Atomsk? If anything, Atomsk is the ONLY D3 that beats me with any kind of constancy, and I'd assume that's because he's a better player than me, before I'd assume that it's his character. Also, I know you aren't trying to john for Atomsk, but considering he was able to make a 94 percent comeback, I think I played much worse than he did.

B) Marth does have a positive match-up vs. Diddy. Fair and Nair **** Diddy, since you can catch and Fair at the same time, and Glidetoss into Dancing Blade is amazing. Edgeguarding Diddy scores lots of %, and Diddy is relatively light. Diddy does still **** on FD though.

C) Shieldbreaker says hi when Marth is fighting Olimar. His lack of grab armor really puts him at a liability, and Marth's shield pressure vs Olimar is better than MK's, since Olimar actually can't do much abould fully spaced Fairs and Dtilts. Similar to MK, Marth can edgeguard the mess outta Olimar. Marth's floatiness and good Fair allows him to succeed in certain regions MK does not. Seriously, Olimar can't really do much of anything against a fully spaced SH shield breaker, except maybe retreat and throw pikman, which isn't really effective if you thought I was going to Fair you.

Like I said, before, Marth has the tools to overcome many obstacles, and take apart his opponent's gameplay, piece by piece, forcing his opponent to play HIS game, which he usually wins at. Exceptions are D3, Snake, and MK. Abusing simple mechanics like edgeguarding D3 because his recovery is vastly overrated, glidetossing with Snake's grenades to get inside and attack, abusing the fact that he really can't retaliate once a Fair connects, abusing the fact that G&W can't handle shield pressure, and telegraphs everything, making counter amazing, ****** Olimar's lack of grab armor, owning Falco's dumb recovery, etc, is what makes Marth an S-tier (in the current tier format). Quite simply, very few characters have the tools to excel in all these fields, and break down their opponent's strategies. Usually, the issue is, "Well, I know what my opponent is likely to do. Falco is firing his lazer, D3 is chaingrabbing me, and G&W is bringing out the aquarium., but I can't really do much about it." Marth has answers to all these problems. Really, the primary thing holding him back is MK. I find answers to MK's stuff all the time, but he just has SO MUCH STUFF, that I'm not quite done yet, and some stuff is just good, period, the end.

 

[Inui]

A) Yes, Atomsk is better than you. He's also extremely good against Marth when he's in practice with Dedede. He defeated NEO in a money match and used to always beat my Marth in tournament with few exceptions. He's highly experienced in the match. He's literally the only good Dedede you have ever played. You're really good against Dedede, but you haven't truly experienced why the match-up is horrible for Marth. Dedede lives much longer and can punish Marth's perfectly spaced moves if the Dedede is reacting properly. In the edgeguarding area, it's a no-contest win for Dedede.

B) Then how did you lose to DaPuffster? I also lost to NinjaLink in two really close sets until I picked MK, a character he is more experienced against. I won with MK. My experiences and what I've seen tell me that the match-up isn't bad for Diddy. Diddy starts with control of the bananas and shouldn't be just throwing them at Marth so he can catch them. He has to use them intelligently. Marth SUCKS at getting out of Diddy's pressure, imo.

C) Shieldbreaker? Also, Olimar can grab Marth's spaced...anything. What are you talking about? I know Marth is good at gimping Olimar, but that involves getting through the Fortress of Solitude first. I think Marth has an extremely slight advantage that's not even worth noting, but I don't think it's a counter at all. I watched BlackWaltz do extremely well against NEO, almost beat me many times, and **** every other Marth ever besides yours once.

 

[Pierce7d]

A) Yes, Atomsk is better than you. He's also extremely good against Marth when he's in practice with Dedede. He defeated NEO in a money match and used to always beat my Marth in tournament with few exceptions. He's highly experienced in the match. He's literally the only good Dedede you have ever played. You're really good against Dedede, but you haven't truly experienced why the match-up is horrible for Marth. Dedede lives much longer and can punish Marth's perfectly spaced moves if the Dedede is reacting properly. In the edgeguarding area, it's a no-contest win for Dedede.

B) Then how did you lose to DaPuffster? I also lost to NinjaLink in two really close sets until I picked MK, a character he is more experienced against. I won with MK. My experiences and what I've seen tell me that the match-up isn't bad for Diddy. Diddy starts with control of the bananas and shouldn't be just throwing them at Marth so he can catch them. He has to use them intelligently. Marth SUCKS at getting out of Diddy's pressure, imo.

C) Shieldbreaker? Also, Olimar can grab Marth's spaced...anything. What are you talking about? I know Marth is good at gimping Olimar, but that involves getting through the Fortress of Solitude first. I think Marth has an extremely slight advantage that's not even worth noting, but I don't think it's a counter at all. I watched BlackWaltz do extremely well against NEO, almost beat me many times, and **** every other Marth ever besides yours once.

A) In the edgeguarding arena, D3 IS better than Marth, except Marth can use counter AND UpB invincibility to plow through edgeguarding attempts. I'm going to discontinue the discussion about me vs. Atomsk, because I feel that it's really irrelevant to the topic. Commonly, Marth vs. D3 is 60-40 D3's favor, and that doesn't stop Marth from being S-tier, as D3 has far worse match-ups.

B) Wow. Long time ago, played poorly. I used Dancing Blade extremely inappropriately, and didn't catch **** because I was nervous, and wasn't playing well. All considering, I generally beat Jigglymaster. Ask NL himself what he thinks about Marth vs Diddy, and whether he thinks my Marth would beat most Diddy players. I feel wrong speaking for myself in this regard. Diddy has to throw the bananas at Marth. What is he supposed to do, nibble on them while Marth runs up and Fairs him? Marth can Fair and pick them up off the ground just as easily as he can catch them out of the air.

C) lol. Ask Blackwaltz what he thinks about Marth vs. Olimar. I'm willing to bet Neo has little Olimar experience, and not to discredit Waltz or Atomsk extreme skill, but no one really knows how to fight Olimar. Since I fight Waltz often, I have a generally good idea of what to do against him. Marth applies better shield pressure against Olimar than any other character in the game, and Olimar NEEDS his shield. Also, I hate judging people off their vids, but NEO doesn't use Shieldbreaker (or at least, he didn't last I've seen if him) as one of his primary offensive tools like I do. I'm not saying it makes him better or worse, but he might find it to be helpful against Olimar.

Also, Olimar can't shieldgrab ANYTHING if I Dolphin Slash right after. Naturally, the answer to this would be to continue holding the shield, but then I could simply continue pressuring the shield. Seriously, it's not that bad for Marth at all. You've only seen me fight Olimar in tourney once or twice, but I've played Olimar in an abundance of friendlies. Before I was even good, I went relatively even with Starzonedge using Marth vs. Olimar. It's no difficultly at all for me to **** even the better mediocre Olimars, and like I said, ask Waltz what he thinks about Marth vs. Olimar.

 

[Inui]

I don't think Dedede has anything worse than 60/40. What's worse than that for him?

It really wasn't that long ago. My sets with NinjaLink were in July and then I finally won with MK in October. I count them all as relevant. If NinjaLink thinks Marth wins, then that's almost enough to convince me on its own. I just don't see the Marths winning against the top Diddys. I wonder if AlphaZealot ever lost to a Marth.

BlackWaltz thinks his character doesn't have enough priority and loses to all sorts of random characters. I don't know why he underrates Olimar so much. Atomsk's Olimar is the pinnacle of Olimar's gayness and should be used to judge anything about that gay character.

I agree that Marth is really good. I've been playing him a lot more again lately and I think my Marth is really good again. I will probably use him if I feel comfortable in a match-up this weekend. I think he loses too badly to MK, Snake, and Dedede to be in S tier.

 

[teh_spamerer]

Have you ever tried standing at the edge, and tapping A when you see Falco about to phantasm? Seriously, practice this. It's super effective. My 4 frame disjointed jab doesn't give two ****s about how "fast" phantasm is

Ok...so ASSUMING Falco is going to side b through you every single time instead of picking his other options that I listed, what is there to stop him from getting hit by your jab with 3 days of ending lag and then jumping over you?

Considering one grab on Falco can mean a combo to 27 at minimum, and if I can Uthrow to SHFFUair, a combo to 23, 45, or 62, depending on how the opponent reacts, it's not very hard to hit Falco off the stage.

Upthrow SHFFUpair? Sorry bud, that doesn't combo in Brawl. Play Melee Marth though, you can do that combo.

Seriously, Marth's jab is godly. MK has similar tools, so you should be able to improvise.

No, Meta's dtilt is godly. Marth's jab is decent. I can edgeguard Falco with Meta, but there is no way I'm consistently gimping him. I just tornado cuz it continually hits and covers a decent area.

 

[NinjaLink]

Fight my Rob inui. Rob i dont camp with. Ask pierce. I WILL RUSH YOU DOWN WITH ROB.

Marth>Diddy.

 

[Inui]

Fight my Rob inui. Rob i dont camp with. Ask pierce. I WILL RUSH YOU DOWN WITH ROB.

Marth>Diddy.

I suck against ROB, but I'll gladly play your ROB in order to gain experience in that match-up. NJ has 0 good ROBs since Bajisci got rusty and quit.

What? How is Marth better than Diddy? Marth sucks too much against Meta Knight, Snake, and Dedede to be better than Diddy. Losing to those overused top tiers = terrible in terms of winning in tournaments.

 

[Pierce7d]

I'm omitting this paragraph because NL has spoken.

I haven't fought Atomsk Olimar. He said he doesn't know how to use Oli to fight Marth. I guess we'll play some friendlies to find out.

Since we're pulling out names, I'm sure Yes! can vouch that my Marth doesn't have an exceedingly bad time against Snake. We've already been over the D3 discussion. I've already admitted Marth has a very difficult time with MK, most characters do, including the S-tiers, except Snake.

I'm glad you're playing Marth again, but I hope you don't abandon MK because of all the bad stigma he has. Play to win, ignore everyone else running their mouth with empty wallets. Do how you do madu.

 

[Inui]

Meta Knight is going to stay my main, but as a famous and knowledgable Fire Emblem player and former Marth main, I feel bad about ditching Marth, so I'm practicing with him again. I also want to keep him good for those tournaments where crybabies ban MK. Without MK in the mix, Marth is top tier.

 

[Pierce7d]

Ok...so ASSUMING Falco is going to side b through you every single time instead of picking his other options that I listed, what is there to stop him from getting hit by your jab with 3 days of ending lag and then jumping over you?

Right, those options being what again? I've been playing against a lot of Falco lately. I think you overestimate the lag Marth's first jab has, and he really shouldn't be tossing around the second hit. First hit has lots of IASA frames. Falco's best bet is to phantasm into the ledge, but Falco can then be edgeguarded normally. If he tries to phantasm back onto the stage, he'll probably get Faired. UpB is a BAD option always, lol.

Upthrow SHFFUpair? Sorry bud, that doesn't combo in Brawl. Play Melee Marth though, you can do that combo.

It's a mindgame, to land the Uair. Most people will airdodge after a Uthrow, if Marth SHs. Waiting it out, and then Uairing will then lead to a combo. Uair comboes into virtually everything, and Marth has amazing follow-up options from there. But that's just situational play really. It doesn't neutralize the fact that fthrow-fthrow-fsmash is still a guaranteed 27% that sets Falco up for edgeguard. Also, fthrow-fthrow-Dair to edgehog is a 0-death combo on Falco.

No, Meta's dtilt is godly. Marth's jab is decent. I can edgeguard Falco with Meta, but there is no way I'm consistently gimping him. I just tornado cuz it continually hits and covers a decent area.

Exactly. You utilize the easy, staple reliable option, instead of practicing the difficult, superior, more rewarding option. Hitting Falco with that dtilt, and then quickly Dairing him probably results in his stock, unless he still has a jump, and this can be dealt with. I'll look into it tomorrow.

Oh, and NL's R.O.B. has some seriously anto-camping issues. **** them tilts and good bait.

Glad to hear it Inui!

 

[NinjaLink]

I still dont kno how u camp with a SLOW CHARACTER. ITs mindboggling. Pierce remembers. Get that respirator.

I'm talkin about Marth vs Diddy. Marth has the advantage.

As for Marth being a better char.......yea. Marth is more balanced.

Marth vs D3. Its alright to me. Atomsk told me after that teams match im the only person he played that does the matchup good that he fought.

 

[Dark.Pch]

What? How is Marth better than Diddy? Marth sucks too much against Meta Knight, Snake, and Dedede to be better than Diddy. Losing to those overused top tiers = terrible in terms of winning in tournaments.

Then again you need to ask yourself, how many people are up there with Marth these days. only one i know about is Neo

 

[Inui]

Then again you need to ask yourself, how many people are up there with Marth these days. only one i know about is Neo

Roy_R, Dannykat, Pierce7d.

Azen won an MD/VA tournament with Marth recently.

 

[Dark.Pch]

I ment on pro level though

 

[GodotAA]

azens not pro... when did this happen

 

[Pierce7d]

Dark Peach, you underestimate me tremendously if you think our fight from so long ago is a representation of my skill now, unless by pro, you mean the very highest level of play.

Godot, lol

 

[NinjaLink]

I can vouch for Pierce. The only time i would see him being predictable were the times u couldnt do anything about it....which is a good thing.

 

[Pierce7d]

Thank you NinjaLink, you're too good. **** UpB outta shield.

Speaking of which, no sig change?

 

[_Yes!_]

Since we're pulling out names, I'm sure Yes! can vouch that my Marth doesn't have an exceedingly bad time against Snake. We've already been over the D3 discussion. I've already admitted Marth has a very difficult time with MK, most characters do, including the S-tiers, except Snake.

Bro thanks for the shoutout but I don't play Snake >.>

....

3am johns...

 

[Dark.Pch]

Dark Peach, you underestimate me tremendously if you think our fight from so long ago is a representation of my skill now, unless by pro, you mean the very highest level of play.

Godot, lol

Dude I only played you one set and that was long ago. You have changed for so have I. What makes you think I judge people like that. (which I should since people tend to do that to me alot) I don't hear your name to often anyway.

And I am talking about people in the likes of Neo. High level of play Marths. who face other pros and travel around for tournaments. Highest quality of the person behind the character is what I look at.