The Wall - Game End.... no one wins?

[WatchTheThrone]

He flips scum, I have absolutely no problem with NH.

 

[WatchTheThrone]

I'm not telling you Raz has 42 posts. I'm telling you that of the posts he's made, all of them are garbage and collectively substantiate our read. Marshy expressed his Raz read in 171, and I agree that's already early enough to get a bad taste. You agreed, too.

In 165, and again in 306, you call Raz bad and tell him to start playing the game. These were near the first waves of Raz's posts, the same posts both slots hated. After this, we pursued stronger mutual scumreads in July and Soup, Raz made one post saying he was sick, your slot went MIA. You came back in 609 pushing Hando over Raz (ignoring our July push, w/e), but again agreed Raz was bad. What changed?

Raz catches up in 685, and says "why am I being bashed by NH over Hando?" when it's clear our focus was Soup and July, who he doesn't mention at all. Again in 710, he ignores the plays of the Day, saying "Why am I the target? You're throwing darts at inactives!" which is reactionary BS since, again, our attention is not on Raz at all. You called this a towntell, we call it scummy as balls.

Okay. I've read up to our big post in 306 starting from around 150. I'm not done yet.

At both 165 and 306, I did not have a scum read on Raz. He was null. He wasn't a priority. I'd written him off as uninterested. What I was doing in those posts was attempting to get him into the game. Look at 306 especially. I come out and give him eighty different things to talk about. I try and get him talking with me so I could hook him. I remember telling Kevin that I wanted to get him started and he would keep playing. I never followed up on that because both he and I disappeared.

My Raz read was bolstered by the flak he gained from slots I did not like. Hando and Kary had me hating on you a lot. There were three inactives at that point (discounting us) in Raz, JTB, and Hando. Hando was our choice scum read and we got straight up ignored when we weren't being told we were ********. It was from then until now that I was fishing so ****ing hard to get an explanation as to why you wanted Raz and why you didn't want Hando. Yes, we realize that the inactives weren't your push. However, you did keep Raz at hand and you ignored the other two despite the fact that we had given reason why Hando should be the one you kept in your pocket among that group. Raz coming in and being defensive remains pretty natural seeing as it was the only thing anywhere near current to interact with his slot. The fact that he was agreeing with us was enough at that time because we were sorely pressed to get any support seeing as we did not at all like the way the game was headed.

I still claim that outburst is the biggest point in his favor. I don't think him being defensive is unnatural. I do think challenging your slot at that point as scum is nigh suicidal. At that point, however, he had to make a stand somewhere as scum. This point is not a saving grace as we've already said earlier today.

 

[WatchTheThrone]

Now, it's my turn because there were 2-3 things I saw him say that I wanted to point out because they mean something on a flip.

 

[WatchTheThrone]

Whoops. MAH BAD. Marshy then. Don't know why I thought it was Circus in that hydra. I guess I just assumed the Circus/Nabe pair would be oozing gay all over the place.

Look at this one.

If Raz/NH scum is a thing, I don't think Raz makes this mistake. Especially if there were quicktopic posts with Marshy's name on it.

 

[WatchTheThrone]

No strong opinion on her at the moment.

Shares similar thoughts to me wrt the Wall posts, not much else of substance at the second.

Why did you ask me about her, when she's really only made one post?

Oh right! Forgot about that RVS bidness.

unvote

Need to re-read the Kantrip business more closely, I've only skimmed, but I'm gonna be hella busy most of the weekend. Will try to get at it tonight.

Talk to me, NH. These two posts talking about July and Kantrip as opposed to where he takes actually stance on Kary when he has a null (says that he can't vote in good conscience, but does not like).




Still looking. Wanted to say there was one more thing.

 

[WatchTheThrone]

Quick Notes:

Soup's been blowing off his wagon since the start of the day.

His push on Kantrip in 238/239 is pretty unsubstantiated.

241 is a lot of OMGUS and drilling Kantrip over largely insignificant ****. Kantrip has a tendency to detonate under pressure but usually get lynched anyway, possible scum motivation to get a wagon rolling.

Kantrip reads somewhat Town in that interaction.

254, Hando comes in with a scumread on Kantrip, which I don't see at all here. Calls KantripvSoup SvS? DA FUQ?

No notable contribution by Macman prior to Hangman puzzle.

WTT's 306:

Immediately called out Hando, +Town points.
Noticed same thing on Macman.

I don't understand how MacMan comes out calling me scum in his 317 when I've barely posted.

Furthermore, why are Macman and No Hetero blatantly bashing me over Hando at this point, who has posted just as much, and infinitely scummier?

Where the **** is No Hetero pulling MacMan town from in 331?

JTB coasting just as badly.

Kantrip alligator shenanigans are confusing. (Does this play out later?)

Again Macman 402. And 454.

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Finished reading.

1. Handorin
2. Kantrip
3. Macman
4. No Hetero (marshy/nabe)
5. Ryker/Kevin (Lean)
6. Kary
7. Sephiroths Masamune
8. July
9. FullMetalLynch (rake/orbo)
10. Inferno
11. Raziek
12. Soup
13. JTB

Overall thoughts and comments:

MacMan is directly singling me out and has been this entire game, despite the fact that I have posted more than JTB and nearly as much as Hando. He wants me dead, but not because he thinks I'm scum, because there's ****ing nothing to substantiate that. I've been absent, nothing more.

Kantrip Town for me largely by the vibe of his claim and replacement consideration, I can sympathize with the lack of motivation right now.

Soup bugs me in that he hasn't really done much since waving off his RVS wagon that's never truly gone away. He's been defending himself, but not really hunting much. Closer to null than scum.

Hando is my strongest scum read. I don't see why people are ****ting on WTT, because I agree completely with his call out earlier in the day. I also am perplexed by macman/hbc ****ting on my constantly, yet it's perfectly fine for the likes of Hando/JTB to coast.

Nobody else really stuck out enough that I feel the need to comment on, but will substantiate things upon request.

Would prefer Hando or Soup, one of the nulls if not.

vote: Handorin

Enjoy, the buttsalt is free of charge and brought to you by Macman and/or Marshy ****ting on me constantly in every game I'm in, which PROTIP, ISN'T HELPING FIX THE PROBLEM.

Chainsaw for Kantrip when he was still a topic, but was largely out of the woods? Serious question because I haven't read the context enough to make a determination.

 

[WatchTheThrone]

This is my last post on the subject. I've read through all of Raz's posts now.

Highly doubt that, given that Macman has literally said nothing other than "lynch Raz" with no reasoning, and played ****ing Hangman. He has literally done NOTHING else.

Show me what I said early game that's pissing you off, because I haven't seen **** for your reasoning.

Marshy, I literally do not care about anything you have to say to me at this point, and I WILL NOT respond any further to the level of bashing you're doing. I watched you play Skies of Arcadia without doing ANY of this ****.

You ruined any motivation I had to play OS All-Stars by ****ting on me constantly, and I WILL NOT take it lying down any more. I will not let you **** on MY enjoyment of the game of mafia by constantly bashing me and half the playerlist.

If you continue to do nothing but bash me and spit venom and personal insults, I will make an effort to have you modkilled or force-replaced under Rule 1 (or whichever the verbal abuse rule is). It isn't necessary and you're a better player than having to bash people to get them out of your way.

Let the record state that despite saying I don't care what Marshy has to say I still want him to substantiate his "scum read" based on my early game posts. If he doesn't, it remains entirely hot air.

Quoting because you still owe me this.

MAN LOOK AT ALL THESE SUBSTANTIATED READS.

I'm aware my commitment level has been inexcusably low. There are various life johns for this, but I'll spare you.



I'm not claiming until you substantiate the blustering you've been doing about me all game.

Quote. The ****ing posts. That make me scum. From the start of the game.

The ones that substantiate your scumread.

STOP. DODGING. THIS.

If you want, I can go fish for all the times I asked for it as well.

Do you wonder why I have had such a problem with you? Literally all of my problems this game sans the Hando misread have come back to you not substantiating your **** that you've had enough ammo to make me think about it since post 300, but it took you getting to post 1600 to do it. You tried to run Raz over with nothing but momentum. My scum read on you made me feel a **** ton better about a slot that could've gone on Day 2. Why the **** would you not share your thought processes WHEN THEY WERE ACTUALLY LEGITIMATE!? I am NEVER going to take you at your word on a read.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Not seeing the need to chainsaw Kantrip at that point, but i need to re-read Raz.
Context wise it could be, but why bother ?

 

[No Hetero]

WatchTheThrone

Thanks, that confirms what I thought. And it's relieving to see your slot doing things.

I don't really see anything between Raz and July or Kantrip. The bulk of this is a gut read on Marshy's part, I'm the wordsmith. I have my observations, and what I feel is decent meta. Do you think it's likely that Raz has simply been bullied into inactivity? You have more experience with him.

Anyway, I need a claim from Raz.

 

[WatchTheThrone]

Bullied into it? No. He legitimately was sick as a dog for awhile and has been limited though. I know because I talk to him outside of mafia a lot. Life happens and it's compounded by the fact that Raz is bad when he has to catch up. The inactivity is a null tell.

 

[Raziek]

Ryker even went to the trouble of quoting almost all of my posts for you.

Are you going to substantiate your scumread or not? Because I'm not being buillied into a claim without the person spearheading my wagon (YOU, NO HETERO) backing your **** up.

 

[No Hetero]

but

Raz: 1509 and 1607 is what I've got on you. Now listen.

The entire thread wants a wincon claim from you, because there's been a wincon massclaim and you are the only person left. No one is bullying you into claiming at all. No one is trying to trick you. You are simply the last person in the chain of the massclaim.

You came into the thread saying "I'm not going to claim, NH isn't going to make me", when No Hetero hadn't said a thing about claiming. The massclaim is Seph's baby. I don't know why this element has been introduced into every post you've made toDay. I assure you Marshy doesn't want a claim out of you, he just wants you dead.

Do you think we're scum? Do you plan on convincing anyone you're town? Since you're speaking to the only head of NH who cares (not to mention every other player in this game waiting for you to post content), you should probably drop your current tack and focus on the game.

 

[No Hetero]

we're nearing the end

"The deadline has been set for Friday, August 31st at 3 p.m. EST"

seph needs to post so we can get **** in gear

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

post 10

kdjfdskjfnskfdsfsdknfs

 

[No Hetero]

post 10

kdjfdskjfnskfdsfsdknfs

You're right, this was surprising

 

[WatchTheThrone]

Vote Raz

May not be around for the rest of the day. Depends on if I have to go pick up a car three hours away.

 

[Overswarm]

Vote Count:

WatchTheThrone (2) - MOD, MOD,
Raziek (3) - No Hetero, PMOD, WatchTheThrone,
No Hetero (2) - MOD, MOD
FullMetalLynch (3) - MOD, MOD, MOD
Sephiroths Masamune (1) - MOD

Not voting: Dark Horse, Sephiroths Masamune, FullMetalLynch, Raziek, JTB, Kary,

This MOD guy is brutal.

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!
The deadline has been set for Friday, August 31st at 3 p.m. EST

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Sorry I had to go and give you guys the freedom to keep moving.

Reading up.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

You're right, this was surprising

I'm bad at quoting.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

The reason I ask is that it should be obvious we won the chess puzzle. D3, I said chess a few times, in the same post I asked Throne if he wanted to mason with us.

You know, you don't have to meter out long posts to get to 10. 10 is a minimum.

Figured. What did you use? Don't have to answer if you feel like it's a bad thing for town.



some nice rehashing by wtt. Keeps everything focused, I like it.



That's all I guess. I wanted to do something but I'm gonna do it if I survive the night because this Raz lynch seems imminent anyway.
kcool.

DON'T HAMMER YET

Vote: Raziek

 

[Raziek]

Vote:Raziek

 

[WatchTheThrone]

OKAY!

I am an investigative that is not a cop, but I will be able to clear or condemn JTB this night phase. Doc on Seph/NH.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

USE IT ON NH!!
Or DH.

unless it has to be JTB.

 

[WatchTheThrone]

I could hit one of a couple of people, but JTB is far and away the most profitable. DH is not an option. After him, NH is the best I could get.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Eh, wifom it at your discretion then

 

[Overswarm]

Vote Count:

WatchTheThrone (2) - MOD, MOD,
Raziek (5) - No Hetero, PMOD, WatchTheThrone, Sephiroths Masamune, Raziek,
No Hetero (2) - MOD, MOD
FullMetalLynch (3) - MOD, MOD, MOD,
Sephiroths Masamune (3) - MOD, MOD, MOD

Not voting: Dark Horse, FullMetalLynch, JTB, Kary,


Flip soon.


Full Metal Lynch will be starting the next Day phase with two MOD votes for posting out of hydra.

 

[No Hetero]

That's all I guess.

Well, hurrah. Raz self-hammering should confirm it.

Can't wait to see the results from the clear/condemn investigation. Throne is a very strong townread to us now, I'll explain more toMorrow.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Raz connections case tomorrow.

My list to look at in order of scumminess:

DH
Kary(kinda but not really)

Other:
JTB (wtf with this slot ?)

Kinda Town
WtT(and here i was tunneling them :/ )

Town:
FML
NH
Seph

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Full Metal Lynch will be starting the next Day phase with two MOD votes for posting out of hydra.

I hate this game

 

[FullMetalLynch]

I look good wearing modvotes though

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Well, hurrah. Raz self-hammering should confirm it.

Can't wait to see the results from the clear/condemn investigation. Throne is a very strong townread to us now, I'll explain more toMorrow.

Eh.

Could also just still be frustrated Raz.

If Raz is scum , who you lookin into tomorrow NH ?

 

[Overswarm]

Raziek (Vanderzant, DGames Mafia Member) has been lynched!

N4 begins!
Deadline for Night Actions AND WALL POSTING is MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 3rd, at 3 PM EST


I have waited incredibly long for various night actions, recorrections, redoings, and other things every night phase so far. I will modkill everyone in the game if I have to. Just letting you know. Send in your night actions as soon as you possibly can.

 

[Overswarm]

Looks like a whooooole lotta people gonna get modkilled.

 

[Overswarm]

Full Metal Lynch cannot be lynched today!

Watch The Throne (Frozen Flame, Independent DGames Player) has been modkilled! I wasn't joking nor was I waiting an extra two days to hear from everyone again.


Another puzzle has also appeared:

**5560*

Fill in the * with the appropriate numbers. I will tell you how many you got right privately, but no which ones you got right. You may share this with others if you'd like.

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
A deadline has been set for Wednesday, September 12th, at 3 p.m. EST

 

[FullMetalLynch]

I freakin knew WtT was scum.

Just had the wrong type pegged

 

[FullMetalLynch]

@NH: You use your ability last night Y/N ?
@Kary: WtT indy change your reads
@Seph: Surprise or no surprise toDay ?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

@moderator: request votecount

thank you

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Also: What do think about lynching DH, no kill 2 nights in a row seems odd Y/N ?

I mean we have the numbers to do it.

@Doc: whoever you protected the last 2 night are essentially clear unless their is a traitor

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I knew WTT wasn't mafia; and I'm wondering who is.

@Kary: WtT indy change your reads

not especially. Mostly it just changes my view of the setup.

also, it's possible mafia will have killed WTT and then he got modkilled as well

I kinda doubt that there was a two successful doc protects in a row; i'm thinking roleblock or similar was involved.

Pretty sure my lynch pool is NH/DH, pending a re-read of Kantrip D1

 

[FullMetalLynch]

If you are a roleblocker say so right now, whoever you roleblocked is scum

Also i agree on Dh (mainly because he's now just sitting there as a useless slot and his claim still makes me go : wtf ?)

Why Nh in particular Kary, like what stands out i mean