The Wall - Game End.... no one wins?

[FullMetalLynch]

So wat do people ?

 

[No Hetero]

blah blah

dhshadjdj

throne why did july start off the game ****riding you? why did she vote you yesterday?

vote hando

 

[No Hetero]

hando would you be down with going july instead?

Too late for that, bro.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-hkzM8xfcY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

- He didn't want to switch to July D1

Also, I think posting personal wincons is worthless. Everyone will probably have something that sounds kinda Indy kinda not because it's personal, and if the mafia have something like "kill 4 townies" all they have to do is change it to mafia and it sounds better.

- He didn't support posting personal wincons (July was being talked about at the time)

But with that said, I guess it isn't completely worthless because you might catch slip ups. But that's probably one of the few incriminating facts you could pull from it.

- He posted this a minute later to waffle on it (avoiding taking a real stance on the issue w.r.t. July)

July

[Post 1112]
"Not buying the wall writing about Hando; it seems very convenient with the wall writing yesterDay about being lucky to have drawn cop, scum would post fake results to mess with town and get an easy Hando lynch toDay."

- This is most likely her protecting Hando.

I don't buy this at all. I can't imagine a competent game mod saying "lynch this slot" for a wincon at all. I can only understand "Find this role/character and lynch him "

- He gets a scumread on July based on her wincon claim after saying he thinks wincon claims are worthless

Eww @ july's last post. Did he post in black, or do I just see the scum in his post?

- This is likely distancing. Hando doesn't actually quote July's last post for specifics on the "eww". Appears to be a fake read, even ignoring her scumflip.

July

[Post 1193]
"Finally, Hando's jump on my wagon is for all the wrong reasons; he's trying to outguess the mod and outguess OS wrt my individual wincons instead of looking at my play. It looks like it was an easy way to just jump on my wagon with very little substantiation."

- Again, likely distancing. If Hando were simply an easy scumread for her to fake, she'd have pushed on him to stay alive. Her vote was on Kanye at this juncture.

We should still be lynching Raz. I don't want him slipping out toDay because July caught some people's panties. She can go toMorrow

- He tries to defer the July lynch another Day in favour of Raz (but his vote is still on July; he's keeping both options open)

He's still scummy. I still want him dead.

- This is said in reference to Raz, who his vote is still not on (this is 12 hours later)

In other news, this sudden hate on me is hilarious. It came out of nowhere for no reason.

tl;dr: Hando is scum with July.

Vote: Handorin

 

[No Hetero]

hando case

ohai other half

the marshy half definitely worked on that case guys

lolkary

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Wait are we actually going for Hando ?

 

[No Hetero]

FML: are we actually going for hando?

is there something wrong with that?

 

[JTB]

What a tiring read through. I thought it'd never end. Anyways, here are some reads I can remember, but might I encourage specific questions for me to answer at some point so I can focus some attention at pressing matters when I sit down at my computer.

Kantrip- leaning toward scum. If there was more of a wagon on him now, I'd join that band
NoHetero- absolutely fabulous. Town
WTT- town so far. I get normal vibes from swag kevinm and posty ryker
Kary- I don't think owning up to wall posts was the best suggestion, but I like the effort she's giving at least to do something. Town read so far.
Seph- Simply marvelous, my dear fellow. Carry on with the quest. I like the action. I'm leaning toward town, but I'm not sure quite yet.
Soup- Also not getting the best vibes from him. I could see a scum vs scum fight with kantrip. I'm going with that now.

Vote: Soup

That's about all I remember right now. Check y'all later. Oh yea though Ill be camping Friday afternoon till Saturday afternoon. I might hop on my phone Friday night, but no promises.

Want to throw this out there, July had a presence in the game at that point, but completely ignored her.

 

[JTB]

Kary vs July was a thing at the time too, so to talk about one side and not the other is odd

 

[FullMetalLynch]

So, if Hando is scum , who is scum #3? Assuming a 3 man team

 

[JTB]

NH, can you unvote so I can be the start of the wagon? My wincon requres me to begin the wagon or hammer atleast one scum this game

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Cant't get a break 'round these parts.

I hate hate hate

Hando. His interactions with July are absolutley terrible (such as, well, just about everything in NH's recent post). He's probably my strongest scumread.

I remember disliking kary, though I forgot why.

I dislike FML toDay. There's this post:

Wait are we actually going for Hando ?

Which doesn't feel well to me. They then follow it up with this:

So, if Hando is scum , who is scum #3? Assuming a 3 man team

Which not only refuses to acknowledge NH's post about their previous post, but brings up something that really doesn't need to be answered.

 

[Raziek]

Well seph is apparently very convinced july is.

And i still don't like hando.

And fml has been pretty gross today.

So why don't we start on one of them?

hando pls

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Hmmm

@No Hetero: did you wall Hando today? What's with the walling? Do you have to use it?

I feel like Dark Horse should full claim.

Also maybe FML


also FYI I don't really want to see a Hando quicklynch. I appreciate he doesn't look great but him starting with two modvotes is I feel just robbing us of info as to who wants him dead. Although I want to think through who'd use an ability like that. Especially on Hando

/thinking

 

[WatchTheThrone]

Yo, NH. I appreciate that you're finally looking at Hando, but we still have some outstanding questions for you from yesterday.

 

[Handorin]

Yo, this restriction is mad gay.

- He gets a scumread on July based on her wincon claim after saying he thinks wincon claims are worthless

I think you read the part right after that where I said unless you check for slip ups and stuff, which happened. You did quote it, after all.

- This is likely distancing. Hando doesn't actually quote July's last post for specifics on the "eww". Appears to be a fake read, even ignoring her scumflip.

As if I actually need to quote it for those lazy people not wanting to look for her last post, which was 2 posts above mine.


- He tries to defer the July lynch another Day in favour of Raz (but his vote is still on July; he's keeping both options open)

My vote was never on July.

Comments in bold.

Anyone care to come up with a better case?

 

[No Hetero]

So glad I can use this quote all Day now, you have no idea.

Your post doesn't turn me on. Are you town? Who's scum? What are your reads on Raz, Throne, Kary, and Seph?

 

[No Hetero]

Yo

Throne: (whole post is at you)
Likewise. Last Day, I asked you why you voted for July, after starting the Day saying your scumreads were Hando/Kary. What changed your read on July? Why did you not just compromise, but let go of your scumreads entirely for the Day?

(Just in case.) I remember one question from you re: Hando about when my scumread on him developed. It was the first post he made of the game, and every post following. Marsh read him as town, but came around yesterDay when I started pointing out July connections to him, who was his biggest scumread the first two Days.

Hypothetical: let's say I tell you that I can mason our two slots, so we could efficiently communicate and read each other 1-on-1 (or 2-on-2) without me having to play quote-chess with Hando. I also tell you that it would go into effect immediately. Would you tell me to do that? Or not, in which case I'd stick to the chess and be able to do something better and sexier instead?

 

[No Hetero]

Yo

Raz: Who do you look at on a Hando scumflip? Other notable reads?

Yo

Kary: Yes.

Yo

Throne: One more; did you give the speech?

 

[No Hetero]

Yo

JTB: Reads? Would the two modvotes ahead of you on Hando still count as being top of the wagon? Why not be the hammer?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Nah, it's weird that Hando and July were both plays D1 and scraped through. Don't like that it's swung back around to Hando now.

Looking back at Seph's reach-tastic case on Soup and No Hetero deciding to roll in that direction Day 1 still makes me think one of them might be scum.

But I think my point is this; yeah, people dislike Hando. That's been a theme throughout this game. But has he actually done anything scummy? I also don't follow why him talking about July makes him scummy.

Because yeah, don't like the look of that case on Hando. I'll admit he seems a bit scummy but for all I know he just plays like that.

@Hando: Is Raz still scum? Who are you looking at on July's flip?

@Raz: Who would you look at on a Hando scumflip? townflip?

@No Hetero: If you could, would you be lynching WTT today?

 

[No Hetero]

Nah, it's weird that Hando and July were both plays D1 and scraped through. Don't like that it's swung back around to Hando now.

Looking back at Seph's reach-tastic case on Soup and No Hetero deciding to roll in that direction Day 1 still makes me think one of them might be scum.

But I think my point is this; yeah, people dislike Hando. That's been a theme throughout this game. But has he actually done anything scummy? I also don't follow why him talking about July makes him scummy.

Because yeah, don't like the look of that case on Hando. I'll admit he seems a bit scummy but for all I know he just plays like that.

@Hando: Is Raz still scum? Who are you looking at on July's flip?

@Raz: Who would you look at on a Hando scumflip? townflip?

@No Hetero: If you could, would you be lynching WTT today?

holy **** are you SERIOUS? are you THIS gorfdamn bad?

 

[No Hetero]

1. Nah, it's weird that Hando and July were both plays D1 and scraped through. Don't like that it's swung back around to Hando now.

2. Looking back at Seph's reach-tastic case on Soup and No Hetero deciding to roll in that direction Day 1 still makes me think one of them might be scum.

3. But I think my point is this; yeah, people dislike Hando. That's been a theme throughout this game. But has he actually done anything scummy? 4. I also don't follow why him talking about July makes him scummy.

5. Because yeah, don't like the look of that case on Hando. I'll admit he seems a bit scummy but for all I know he just plays like that.

@Hando: Is Raz still scum? Who are you looking at on July's flip?

@Raz: Who would you look at on a Hando scumflip? townflip?

@No Hetero: If you could, would you be lynching WTT today?

1. no. **** off. it is PERFECTLY possible that 2 scum were wagoned d1. do you not learn from other games? how about epic rap battles WHERE ALL 3 ****ING SCUM WERE ****ING WAGONED BY ****ING D2? BUT YOU SERIOUSLY GOING TO COME IN HERE WITH THIS BULL**** ARGUMENT?

2. seph is town. ****ing everyone and their mom agrees with this. just ****ing stop with this bull****

3.this is the same nonsense you used in deadpool with john. if everyone thinks someone is scum just go with consensus and ****ing let them die if they deserve it. you dont have to be a ****ing hero and whiteknight people for ****ty reasons. see: soup whiteknighting july d1

4. nabe covered this

5. what the ****? scummy is scummy **** their playstyle. you disliked him d1. is paranoia over me and seph SERIOUSLY the main reason your suspicion of him has dwindled?

kary this is ****ing sad. you are doing all the same dumb bull**** you do in every other game that gets you nearly killed every ****ing time. i like a LOT of your questions but some are just GALACTICLY unforgivably dumb (hey seph your confidence on july is weird reads as HEY SEPH ARE YOU AN INVESTIGATIVE ROLE?). youre being paranoid of the universal townreads because....they mislynched town d1. wow. this is like when you started attacking me/no lynch/inferno in erb for who knows the **** why. youre also asking fml to full claim and asking for details about my role. WHY. WHO GIVES A MOTHER****? do you WANT scum to know all the roles and hand them a map on which power roles are valuable and/or narrow down their hunt for specific roles? come the **** on dude

 

[No Hetero]

 

[#HBC | Kary]

1. no. **** off. it is PERFECTLY possible that 2 scum were wagoned d1. do you not learn from other games? how about epic rap battles WHERE ALL 3 ****ING SCUM WERE ****ING WAGONED BY ****ING D2? BUT YOU SERIOUSLY GOING TO COME IN HERE WITH THIS BULL**** ARGUMENT?

2. seph is town. ****ing everyone and their mom agrees with this. just ****ing stop with this bull****

3.this is the same nonsense you used in deadpool with john. if everyone thinks someone is scum just go with consensus and ****ing let them die if they deserve it. you dont have to be a ****ing hero and whiteknight people for ****ty reasons. see: soup whiteknighting july d1

4. nabe covered this

5. what the ****? scummy is scummy **** their playstyle. you disliked him d1. is paranoia over me and seph SERIOUSLY the main reason your suspicion of him has dwindled?

kary this is ****ing sad. you are doing all the same dumb bull**** you do in every other game that gets you nearly killed every ****ing time. i like a LOT of your questions but some are just GALACTICLY unforgivably dumb (hey seph your confidence on july is weird reads as HEY SEPH ARE YOU AN INVESTIGATIVE ROLE?). youre being paranoid of the universal townreads because....they mislynched town d1. wow. this is like when you started attacking me/no lynch/inferno in erb for who knows the **** why. youre also asking fml to full claim and asking for details about my role. WHY. WHO GIVES A MOTHER****? do you WANT scum to know all the roles and hand them a map on which power roles are valuable and/or narrow down their hunt for specific roles? come the **** on dude

Wow, who are you trying to convince here?

Here's the point, in short:
Maybe all three of you/Seph/WTT are town. That's grand. Still doesn't mean I want to let you waltz into dumb mislynches. Even if you were all cleared, that doesn't mean you're going to be right.

You can make all the comparisons to other games that you want; but given that I don't think the comparison is relevant, i'm probably just going to ignore it.

Now, I'm not sure Hando is scum. As I said D1 I liked Soup more than Hando- doesn't make Hando scum. Thought Macman was killed because his reads were good- didn't he have Hando as town?

And yeah, maybe I want to hear claims from slots I don't trust. Or are you just going to give Seph a pass because you think he is an investigative? Because that doesn't sound like you.

And no, I'm not that interested in the details of your role- but I want to know why you're using it the way you are. Not least because you targeted me yesterday and could well have got me killed, but also because I don't totally trust you this game.

Couldn't you have targeted JTB and got him to actually post something? So why didn't you? And so on. I don't even care whether you answer these- but you should know I have questions about your slot that aren't just going to go away because you CAN'T BELIEVE i'm asking them.

Oh, and

@No Hetero: If you could, would you be lynching WTT today?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

the really short version:

Kary is dumb/wrong, let's kill Hando

wow, your argument actually is 'just trust me'

weird how you barely try to convince me of Hando scum

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

weird how you barely try to convince me of Hando scum

Bwhahahaha


This is ****in hilarious

 

[#HBC | Kary]

way to be a waste of space DH

#1342 is basically just whaling on me and offers no reason to suggest Hando IS scum.

#1323 is weaksauce and based almost solely on connections

show me what exactly Hando has done that's scummy on its own merit?

Or, if that goes without saying, why the need for the case in #1323

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Because I sure as hell didn't come in here to play 'sheep marshy and hope he's town'

/mad

 

[WatchTheThrone]

I'll get to you tonight, NH.

Why are you JUST NOW boarding the train, Kary.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

@Kary

Connections are telling. Remember tekken, where I said that WL was scum based on his connections with J? And guess what? I was right. It's far from a lack of reason to think someone is scum based on connections. The fact that you're saying marshy is just like "trust me" is ****ing garbage.

 

[WatchTheThrone]

You know what, **** this ****.

NH jumps on Hando wagon as if he's always been on Hando wagon (cites hydra bull**** as an excuse) after a July scum flip that I would assume would ****ing reaffirm his reads, yet here he is on Hando. He's bipolar whenever he talks with us and he's driving me insane.

Kary, who we've had down as scum since Day 1, jumps down NH's throat when he finally gets on Hando. Claims he didn't sign-up to play the follow Marshy and hope he's right which is exactly what I have him down as doing for the previous two day phases.

DH (replacing Kantrip's already ****ing ugly slot) is white knighting NH for no forseeable gain except to cement his place as number one **** sucker.

Hando REMAINS scummy as ****. His connection with July that NH highlighted is completely correct. The way he ignores July or wants to go Raz first despite the multiple psuedo guilties flying around is absolutely disgusting. Why the **** didn't NH sound the alarm bells yesterday?

NH - You're not hiding behind that hydra excuse anymore. Read progression on Hando, Kary, and me. I want that **** before I get off work or I'm flipping tables. I repeat, that excuse is gone and you using it past this post is going to result in one of us dying this phase.

DH - You are being lynched if we reach a MyLo scenario, clear?

Kary - Read progression on NH, Seph, and myself. Same as NH.

TO EVERYONE: NH is not to hide behind that he said/she said between Nabe and Marshy. They play from this point forward, they either present it all at the front and they present WHY there's a disagreement or they stick with the read they posted originally.

DH is not going to live in MyLo. If he's scum lying about his claim, then we win for correctly lynching. If he's not, then lynching him will result in a No Lynch and we get another shot the next phase.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

DH - You are being lynched if we reach a MyLo scenario, clear?

Aiight

DH (replacing Kantrip's already ****ing ugly slot) is white knighting NH for no forseeable gain except to cement his place as number one **** sucker.

Haha.

No. I agree with NH, and I find Kary's defense of hando to be absolutley terrible.

 

[No Hetero]

Yo

Kary:
"#1323 is weaksauce and based almost solely on connections"

No. It's 70% connections and 30% poor play. Hando has made 30 posts, none of which were scumhunting or content. On top of this, Hando made posts on both D1 and D2 about keeping July alive another Day. Hando spent both Days taking no action towards Raz (his scumread since D1), simply stating his read on him several times. He's done nothing except telling Raz he's got his eye on him.

Don't worry, bruh. I haven't forgotten you. You're still the plan as discussed the yesterday.

It just means I have another mostly solidified read.

From the jaws of the man himself. (Posted @ Raz) This is Hando moving to a July lynch, towards the end of Day 2 when the cards were already down. (i.e. it's likely a bus) Look at my case for his terrible back-and-forth with July. Better yet, ISO Hando, since it's only 30 posts.

read.

"And yeah, maybe I want to hear claims from slots I don't trust. Or are you just going to give Seph a pass because you think he is an investigative? Because that doesn't sound like you."

What reason is there to think that Seph is an investigative, or that we believe him to be? Do you have a case on Seph, or any reason at all that justifies him claiming? Why are you bringing up either of these points?

bruh

Who's scum? Did you notice you've asked Raz and Hando the same questions I did, two whole posts later?

@your question, no. We have a scumlean but I'm trying again because I think Kanye could be town trying to read us, given how softspoken they've been all game. That said, you and Kanye are different alignments, given interactions with each other and with July, and we're trying to sort that out as well. Handoscum is straightforward.

 

[No Hetero]

Yo

Throne:
Agreed on everything you said, minus your read on me which is wrong. Answer my mason question, and the other question about Hando/Kary which needs to be a public response. Don't try to muscle me, or we are going to have a problem.

 

[No Hetero]

Yo

Dark Horse:
Accepting that you're not going to fully catch up, please character claim.
Was your wall post N2 the We Are Soldiers lyrics?
What's your read on Seph?

 

[WatchTheThrone]

We already have a problem. It may be a big problem.

Show me the question again.

I'll be here tonight.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

I'm OS. My wall post was the "icky icky icky" one (at the time, I didn't want to prolong the night father by waiting to reread until sending in a wall post)

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

I have seph as leaning town.

 

[No Hetero]

Yo

Throne:
Don't you dare. Post 1337, you could not have missed it as the entire post is addressed to you. Don't you ****ing dare tell me you've missed my posts, and in the same breath tell me I need to play ball with you. Your game has been limited activity, and sitting on your own scumreads rather than doing anything about them. This is my court. Mop your ego off of it.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Hehe this game is interesting.

Let me see what happened. I also want to continue the re-read I started yesterday.