The Wall - Game End.... no one wins?

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Oh right.

Okay.

Let's lynch Handorin today and I'll have a surprise for you boys tomorrow

Kary is still disgusting.
Wouldn't mind a FML full claim though. That slot is a crapshoot and it'll be detrimental as either alignment anyway.

 

[Overswarm]

Puzzle #4

This one's simple. Pick a whole number, 1 through 1000, and whoever is closest to the number I've picked wins.

Let it be known that if there is an equal distance (number being 2, someone picked 1 and someone picked 3) then no one will win. If two people pick the same number, no one will win. These overlap, so if 2 pick 1, one guy picks 3, and the number is 2 then no one would win.

Whoever is closest wins.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Man, i just want to sit here and rage at every slot at this game. I am sick and tired of the power plays and the egos. Just going to try and ignore all that ****ery.

Also, really not interested in trading opinions on a slot or talking about other games. I probably will just re-read Hando because I'm not seeing anything like a half-decent argument, and it seems pretty obvious now it's too much to ask for one.

Here's the gorfdamn crux of it: Are NH and Hando aligned?
Because I don't have a good answer to this one.

Kary, who we've had down as scum since Day 1, jumps down NH's throat when he finally gets on Hando. Claims he didn't sign-up to play the follow Marshy and hope he's right which is exactly what I have him down as doing for the previous two day phases.

Sick of your baseless scum-read on me, but thanks. Although given that you think I've been following marshy, you probably haven't actually read my slot. *shrug*

Kary - Read progression on NH, Seph, and myself. Same as NH.

D1: one of you is bound to be scum, I really hope you all pick up your game.
D2: wow, this argument is almost dumb enough to be TvTvT
D3: nah, one of you is likely scum, but it might be NH > Seph > you

hate this ****ing question by the way.

No. It's 70% connections and 30% poor play.

^ this is actually a post I can appreciate, if not agree with. Going to re-read Hando in a bit. But I have a couple of questions.
1. Do you have any meta on Hando? Does he typically do very little like this?
2. Have you seen any scum intent from him, or just a lack of town intent?

Why are you bringing up either of these points?

Seph's play this game has been hyper, and in my opinion, not great. IF he's going to put on a damn stage-show, then it's a pretty sure bet I'm going to ask him what he's playing at. I don't have him as a town read because I haven't found any reason to, so yeah I may well push him.
And, I was responding to your slot giving me grief, in case that wasn't clear.

Who's scum? Did you notice you've asked Raz and Hando the same questions I did, two whole posts later?

I'm working on it. Right now there's a lot of bull**** to cut through.
And no, I kinda skimmed you playing 20 questions with every slot going.

@your question, no. We have a scumlean but I'm trying again because I think Kanye could be town trying to read us, given how softspoken they've been all game. That said, you and Kanye are different alignments, given interactions with each other and with July, and we're trying to sort that out as well. Handoscum is straightforward.

Oh and now I'm glad I asked this question.
It is hilarious that you bring up that you think me/Throne are different alignments, and that you use our interactions with July as evidence for that. Now I just have to figure out whether you're serious.

Here's one last question. Which have you been more focused on this game- getting a solid read on WTT, or getting them to play ball with who you want to lynch- and why?

 

[No Hetero]

Yo

@Mod: votecount please.

 

[No Hetero]

Yo

Seph: Does disgusting mean scum?

 

[No Hetero]

Yo

Kary:
Well done dodging the questions that mattered, and BSing the rest.


"I'm not seeing anything like a half-decent argument, and it seems pretty obvious now it's too much to ask for one."

Half of 1353 is an addendum to the case on Hando, addressed to you. You ignore it entirely, and then say "I guess no one's answering me on Hando". **** right out of here if you're going to pretend I haven't been catering to you. (This whole post is addressed to you too; try not to ignore it since I'm not claiming to be a 4-shot vig.)

"Here's the gorfdamn crux of it: Are NH and Hando aligned?
Because I don't have a good answer to this one."

Here's the gorfdamn crux of "it" (whatever "it" is): Are Kary and July aligned?
I am going to offer no opinion as to whether or not they are.
And I'm not going to provide any argument one way or the other.
And I'm not going to say why I'm mentioning it.
And I'm not going to say how or why it occurred to me.
But, I am going to casually mention it as if it were everyone's burning question.

Dietz must be scum. J mentioned multiple factions.
I'm not going to say why I think so.
And I'm not going to say why I'm mentioning it.
But I am going to casually toss it out there.

Oops, wrong game.

"D2: wow, this argument is almost dumb enough to be TvTvT"
We, Seph and Kanye didn't have an argument in D2. Seph has only been looking at Kanye recently, and the only questions we exchanged with Kanye yesterDay were mutually ignored. Considering you and I were connected at the hip yesterDay, it's strange I didn't notice you saying how "dumb" something we/Seph/Throne were saying to one another.

"hate this ****ing question by the way."
I hate when people ask me what I think and why I think it, too.

"^ this is actually a post I can appreciate, if not agree with. Going to re-read Hando in a bit. But I have a couple of questions.
1. Do you have any meta on Hando? Does he typically do very little like this?
2. Have you seen any scum intent from him, or just a lack of town intent?"
What was so appreciable about one sentence with two percent signs in it, that a two-post case didn't do for you?

I've never played with Hando. Marshy has, and agrees he's scum, so go figure. We've addressed every bit of Hando-scumminess in our case, scum intent is right there for you to see. Unless by scum intent, you mean Hando coming into thread and twirling his mustache while he ties damsels to the train tracks, in which case I've got nothing for you.

"Seph's play this game has been hyper, and in my opinion, not great. IF he's going to put on a damn stage-show, then it's a pretty sure bet I'm going to ask him what he's playing at. I don't have him as a town read because I haven't found any reason to, so yeah I may well push him.
And, I was responding to your slot giving me grief, in case that wasn't clear."

But what does any of this have to do with the questions I actually asked you, the two questions you didn't quote? Namely, why are you pushing the idea of Seph as investigative, and why do you want him to claim, ESPECIALLY considering the conjunction of those two ideas?


"I'm working on it. Right now there's a lot of bull**** to cut through."
You don't have a scumread? We're two Days deep.

"Which have you been more focused on this game- getting a solid read on WTT, or getting them to play ball with who you want to lynch- and why?"
The first. They've been content to lynch outside of their reads both Days so far.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

did a light re-read;

I feel like Seph/NH seem to keep flipping on their reads- can't tell whether town-tell or not

Would really like to see content from DH because sheepDH does nothing for me.
Think FML is out of their depth. Wonder whether that's a scumtell.

And yeah, Hando can go. Seems too forced overall and there's a few really ugly-looking posts (#1171 and #1240 for example don't read as very natural, and don't seem to have a consistent stance on July).

I will retract that #1323 is weaksauce, and instead say that I think it is bad
bad =/= wrong, to make that perfectly clear, but points like 'he didn't want july D1' and 'but his vote is still on July' just read as reachy/surface-level, particularly when looked at individually.

Might even retract that and just say the case has merit but it isn't pretty. But ehh; as I said, what I'm really curious about is whether NH and Hando are aligned.

Would vote Hando but see no reason to end the Day.

@Hando: I actually need a tiered list of 3 scumpicks from you, you can ignore whatever else I asked you toDay.

Also, if this game doesn't make sense to me by Day 4 I'm going to be
Would love to have a reasonable picture of what's going on so I can just push that.

Maybe scum is July/Hando/JTB. That'd be peachy.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

I don't remember flipping my reads that much. The only one I flipped was you, Kary, because you're being scummy as hell to me.

What sparked the flip is the comment you made on the end of D1 where you said "I'm being noncommittal too, you're just not noticing it".

No Hetero, what reasons do you have for lynching Handorin? Connections etc? Be honest here.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Seph: Does disgusting mean scum?

Yes it does.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

I'm not opposed to full claiming , but Kary's going to need to explain exactly what me doing it achieves.

 

[No Hetero]

need to say this

DO NOT ****ING VOTE HANDO AND PUT HIM AT -1 YET. HE IS INDEED THE PLAY TODAY BUT THERES MORE **** WE NEED TO GET OUT OF THIS DAYPHASE AND DONT WANT A ****ING ******* WITH THE ATTENTION SPAN OF AN ANT TO **** US OUT OF DISCUSSION

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Unless by scum intent, you mean Hando coming into thread and twirling his mustache while he ties damsels to the train tracks, in which case I've got nothing for you.

I love how you just waste time in your posts

But what does any of this have to do with the questions I actually asked you, the two questions you didn't quote? Namely, why are you pushing the idea of Seph as investigative, and why do you want him to claim, ESPECIALLY considering the conjunction of those two ideas?

1. I'm not. And I don't think his play actually suggests that. But his confidence to me is weird.
2. I actually don't right now; but I may do later if he feel his play hasn't cleared up/begun to make sense to me.
3. so, uh, no.

Anything else you actually want answered tell me. I've not made myself clear on a couple things but they don't seem worth bringing up.

And yes, when my first thought toDay is 'BUS OR MISLYNCH CAN'T DECIDE' I do want people thinking about your alignment vs. Hando's. Forgive me if I haven't mustered the words to describe my gut reaction just yet.

 

[No Hetero]

seph seriously? read our posts dude. nabe has explained why hando is scum pretty thoroughly. its kind of pissing me off that all this effort to illustrate scumdorin has been put in by nabe and its met with ****ty reactions like "whoa what we are going hando today?" and "not feelin it its entirely connections based" like what the ****ing **** guys gorfdamn

 

[FullMetalLynch]

is there something wrong with that?

No, I just thought we were about to QL and was like :
whaaa ? I thought we were going to use this day for more scum hunting

Which not only refuses to acknowledge NH's post about their previous post, but brings up something that really doesn't need to be answered.

I didn't fail to acknowledge anything I know of 0_0

Oh right.

Okay.

Let's lynch Handorin today and I'll have a surprise for you boys tomorrow

Kary is still disgusting.
Wouldn't mind a FML full claim though. That slot is a crapshoot and it'll be detrimental as either alignment anyway.

Surprise ?

Why are you and Kary so interested in my claim btw ?

Why is Hando going toDay if Kary is so disgusting to you (i.e why is Hando more of a scummy priority ? ) Do you agree with the case that NH made ?

Think FML is out of their depth. Wonder whether that's a scumtell.

Wat .-. ?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

What sparked the flip is the comment you made on the end of D1 where you said "I'm being noncommittal too, you're just not noticing it".

IMO townies tend to be (maybe should be) non-commital because they don't know who's scum. There is no pro-town reason for them to stick totally to a read. So I didn't like you bringing it up as a scum-tell on whoever, probably Soup.

Didn't you flip on Kantrip? I did say 'I feel like' to try and convey that it was the impression I got, not necessarily what you'd done.

I'm not opposed to full claiming , but Kary's going to need to explain exactly what me doing it achieves.

You probably don't need to claim toDay actually. You could make yourself useful though I imagine. Do YOU have any idea who the 3rd scum in a 3-man team might be?

 

[FullMetalLynch]

You probably don't need to claim toDay actually. You could make yourself useful though I imagine. Do YOU have any idea who the 3rd scum in a 3-man team might be?

Why did you bring it up if you didn't want me to do it toDay then ?

Like I said D2, I'm looking at you , WTT .

Assuming Hando scum i could see him bussing Raz and as brought up by other players( i believe it was you / NH) and trying to save but ending up bussing July.

So i'm looking at Raz too. But i feel like Hando's scum read on Raz was more him just jumping on an easy target (At the time IIRC Raz was catching attention from NH).

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Why did you bring it up if you didn't want me to do it toDay then ?

It was just the way I was feeling at the start of the Day. Would like to clear my read on your slot up. Wasn't even a demand, more of a question.

What's your read on Kantrip/DH?

 

[FullMetalLynch]

It was just the way I was feeling at the start of the Day. Would like to clear my read on your slot up. Wasn't even a demand, more of a question.

What's your read on Kantrip/DH?

Gimme a sec to dig it up out of me and Orbo's QT.
I know we talked about it before

 

[FullMetalLynch]

We have him as null with a heavier town lean (think like 70-30)
post claim Kantrip did i good job of outing his ideas and trying to help town, although some of his posts left me going : ...

Also me and Orbo are still stuck on his claim (not buying it completely), unlynchable townie is very odd and i'm wonderin if this speech thing is some sort of balance to it.

Dark Horse seems to be picking up were Kantrip left off, so that makes me more confident in that read.

What about your read on Kantrip / DH Kary ?

 

[Handorin]

ohai

Kary-
"I actually need a tiered list of 3 scumpicks from you, you can ignore whatever else I asked you toDay."

1.Raz
2. wtt
3. aaaaand probably DH

 

[FullMetalLynch]

It was just the way I was feeling at the start of the Day. Would like to clear my read on your slot up. Wasn't even a demand, more of a question.

What's your read on Kantrip/DH?

Nich, Town
And since i'm in a good mood, my individual wincon is to vote someone, then convince another person to vote the same person i did and have that player (the one we are both voting ) be that days lynch. Which i did twice yesterDay by getting both NH and Seph onto scumJuly.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

3. aaaaand probably DH

@Hando elaborate on scum DH read

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Nich, Town
And since i'm in a good mood, my individual wincon is to vote someone, then convince another person to vote the same person i did and have that player (the one we are both voting ) be that days lynch. Which i did twice yesterDay by getting both NH and Seph onto scumJuly.

I...
uhm..

Did you get mod confirmation that you completed your win con?
Because I just went back and...
well...
You didn't.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

seph seriously? read our posts dude. nabe has explained why hando is scum pretty thoroughly. its kind of pissing me off that all this effort to illustrate scumdorin has been put in by nabe and its met with ****ty reactions like "whoa what we are going hando today?" and "not feelin it its entirely connections based" like what the ****ing **** guys gorfdamn

It was just a question, I've said multiple times that I'm on board with Handorin. Calm your tits.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

IMO townies tend to be (maybe should be) non-commital because they don't know who's scum. There is no pro-town reason for them to stick totally to a read. So I didn't like you bringing it up as a scum-tell on whoever, probably Soup.

Ah. That's a good point. However, there's a difference. You expect a townie to commit to a scumread sometime instead of constantly keeping their options open, which is actually a great scum strategy which a scum himself can write off as paranoia,

Didn't you flip on Kantrip? I did say 'I feel like' to try and convey that it was the impression I got, not necessarily what you'd done.

Well, yeah, but there's the whole claim ordeal surrounding his slot. That's pretty big.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

What do people think of a wincon massclaim? Someone needs to talk to me about the possibility. If scum have falseclaims they'll have to play to it and have played to it before. If they have scummyclaims we can pressure them for it. It limits their options and helps with win conditions of pro-town slots.

Thoughts?

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

and helps with win conditions of pro-town slots.

As in we can help them solve their win con.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

I...
uhm..

Did you get mod confirmation that you completed your win con?
Because I just went back and...
well...
You didn't.

i didnt get a mod confirm , but i can quote where i believe i got it

 

[FullMetalLynch]

What do people think of a wincon massclaim? Someone needs to talk to me about the possibility. If scum have falseclaims they'll have to play to it and have played to it before. If they have scummyclaims we can pressure them for it. It limits their options and helps with win conditions of pro-town slots.

Thoughts?

I'm down for this (seeing as i already claimed lol )

 

[FullMetalLynch]

@Seph: but i think the more suspicious slots should go first, so they dont get the chance to see the less suspicious players individual win-cons and create a better possible fake claim / better sounding claim in general, if that makes sense

 

[No Hetero]

Kary

"And yes, when my first thought toDay is 'BUS OR MISLYNCH CAN'T DECIDE' I do want people thinking about your alignment vs. Hando's. Forgive me if I haven't mustered the words to describe my gut reaction just yet."
What gut reaction is that?

Here's my perspective. It's D3, and Hando/NH are both slots you've interacted with quite a bit. You could not have missed developing your own reads on either slot by now, even if they're just leans. Help me put this in a paradigm where you're not lying.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

NH, you're avoiding my question. Please answer

What do people think of a wincon massclaim? Someone needs to talk to me about the possibility. If scum have falseclaims they'll have to play to it and have played to it before. If they have scummyclaims we can pressure them for it. It limits their options and helps with win conditions of pro-town slots.

Thoughts?

 

[#HBC | J]

Vote Count:

Hando (3) - MOD, MOD, No Hetero

Not voting (8): Handorin, Dark Horse, WatchTheThrone, Kary, Sephiroths Masamune, FullMetalLynch, Raziek, JTB

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!
The deadline has been set for Friday, August 17th at 3 p.m. EST​

 

[No Hetero]

Seph:
Did July's claimed wincon (not the Kary one) of having to pick lynches seem fake to you?

A full wincon claim could be useful to hold people accountable for the intent of their posts. But if someone has a wincon that doesn't fit with town goals, they're still going to want to hit it, regardless of public pressure.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

...you still haven't told me whether you support it or not.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

And her wincon wasn't fake.

 

[No Hetero]

But you said in your post:
"If scum have falseclaims they'll have to play to it and have played to it before."

What's the bolded referring to, if not July? Did you find her wincon scummy?

I don't think a wincon massclaim would help. Maybe in conjunction with a character claim to ward off full lies, but in general it would get very meta very quickly. I'd rather focus on play and crosscheck intent with wincon claims when relevant.

A claim from Hando would be good, since enough people have spoken in favour of his lynch.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Her wincon wasn't inherently scummy, no. It wasn't pro-town either. Feel me?
Same counts for FML's.

Mine is different in that aspect, though.


What are we risking with a wincon massclaim? Nothing, really. Meanwhile, we can weed out suspicious stuff.

Re:July; She claimed her OTHER wincondition first, right? :v

 

[No Hetero]

I feel you. As long as it doesn't distract from what matters, I'm indifferent.

Are you confident on Hando scum? Any further on a Kanye read?

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

I'm not entirely confident on Handorin, but he's going to get lynched and I'd rather have it sooner or later.

Kanye is feeling pretty town to me, but I don't want to trust a gut on him. Sorry I can't give you a concrete answer, but reading Ryker is ****ty to me.
Either way I'm pretty sure he's not indy with his actions.


Let's mass claim win conditions. This seems like a good list:

Already claimed:
Dark Horse
FML

Order:
Handorin
JTB
Kary
Raziek
WatchtheThrone
No Hetero
Sephiroths Masamune

Object now if there are objections.