The Wall - Game End.... no one wins?

[Sephiroths Masamune]

sooner than later*

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Kary, when you finally start to say that NH might just actually have something, you then start to talk about hando's meta?

I figure I might clarify my wincons, considering Kantplay kinda vomited it up. I have two: one is two get lynched (I ain't touching this with a 20 foot pole). The other is to get to L-2 two consecutive days and not get hammered (I don't have to be at L-2 at the end of the day phase. Just get to L-2) (Not thinking about focusing on this one while there's still probably two scum left.)

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Also, has anyone guessed yet for puzzle 4?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

What about your read on Kantrip / DH Kary ?

Obvtown, then, slightly weird claim, then, nothing. But still town based on the strength of the initial read and that I've not seen much reason to flip on it. Generally i'd just like more content from that slot though.

Ah. That's a good point. However, there's a difference. You expect a townie to commit to a scumread sometime instead of constantly keeping their options open, which is actually a great scum strategy which a scum himself can write off as paranoia,

Depends what point in the game. Mid Day-1 is a reasonable time to be non-commital.

What do people think of a wincon massclaim? Someone needs to talk to me about the possibility. If scum have falseclaims they'll have to play to it and have played to it before. If they have scummyclaims we can pressure them for it. It limits their options and helps with win conditions of pro-town slots.

Thoughts?

1. You screw over anyone whose personal wincon is unlikely to happen if they claim.
2. Why toDay?
3. I don't feel like it'll catch scum out, but;
4. It may be worthwhile to help other pro-town slots achieve their wincons (though see #1)

"And yes, when my first thought toDay is 'BUS OR MISLYNCH CAN'T DECIDE' I do want people thinking about your alignment vs. Hando's. Forgive me if I haven't mustered the words to describe my gut reaction just yet."
What gut reaction is that?

What? My gut reaction is my initial reaction and is 'bus or mislynch can't decide' with reference to your case on Hando.

Here's my perspective. It's D3, and Hando/NH are both slots you've interacted with quite a bit. You could not have missed developing your own reads on either slot by now, even if they're just leans. Help me put this in a paradigm where you're not lying.

Uh, what? Do you think I'm faking suspicion on your slot or something- does that actually make sense to you, for me to do at this stage in the game? Whatever.
Why would you expect me to have a good read on Hando's slot at the start of the Day given he's done eff all? And am I supposed to have a good read on your slot? Did you do something obvtown and I missed it? Bleh.

And I really don't remember interacting that much with Hando, so uhhh?
He remains scummy or scum, plausibly scum based on his play toDay and a few of his posts yesterDay.
You I would like to put as a town-read, but it's too likely that you may be scum based on my overall picture of the game and you're not town-telling hard enough.

Kary, when you finally start to say that NH might just actually have something, you then start to talk about hando's meta?

What don't you follow? Part of NH's argument is that Hando hasn't done anything. Not doing anything isn't a scumtell in itself- Hando might just be the sort of player who doesn't do a lot. So I was asking NH for how their read on Hando fit with their knowledge of his play in general. Because while I thought they might be on to something, It still wasn't clear to me at that point. Comprende?

I figure I might clarify my wincons, considering Kantplay kinda vomited it up. I have two: one is two get lynched (I ain't touching this with a 20 foot pole). The other is to get to L-2 two consecutive days and not get hammered (I don't have to be at L-2 at the end of the day phase. Just get to L-2) (Not thinking about focusing on this one while there's still probably two scum left.)

I'm Overswarm. I am town aligned.

I have a passive Unlynchable ability.

My individual win condition is to die before endgame or else I don't count as a winner, even if town wins.

I have an alternate win-con of getting up to L-2 without being lynched two Days in a row.

"confused face"

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

What don't you follow? Part of NH's argument is that Hando hasn't done anything. Not doing anything isn't a scumtell in itself- Hando might just be the sort of player who doesn't do a lot. So I was asking NH for how their read on Hando fit with their knowledge of his play in general. Because while I thought they might be on to something, It still wasn't clear to me at that point. Comprende?

It's not that I don't get it, it's that it's ridiculous. Another big on of NH's argument is the connections, which you seem to just straight up ignore here, instead try and prolong it with something concerning how he "hasn't done much" (This isn't even the biggest thing NH is getting at him for. They mention that it's 70% connections)This post reeks of you desperatley trying to defend hando.

"confused face"

You'd have to lynch me twice, similar to that rino role from spidermafia. Kantrip botched the wincon.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

EBWOP: "This post" should be "That post"

 

[No Hetero]

Seph, does Julys scumflip tell you anything about Karys alignment?

It's cool how much of this has become bickering among No Hetero/Kary/Dark Horse/Seph while I (marshy) have zero interest in any of their lynches anytime soon while JTB/Raz/Throne do absolutely nothing.

lol @ Kary being like "but what if he does nothing regardless of his alignment?" or whatever. If I do play again on the marshy account after deadpool, I need to make sure to coast hardbody next time I roll scum since this site is so accepting of it.

 

[No Hetero]

:sadsheep

blah blah

has anyone reread after the julyscumflip? if so can someone link me? good gorf i really dont ****ing feel like doing that **** guys

 

[Handorin]

lol @ Kary being like "but what if he does nothing regardless of his alignment?" or whatever. If I do play again on the marshy account after deadpool, I need to make sure to coast hardbody next time I roll scum since this site is so accepting of it.

It's pretty fun and challenging, if I might say. Try to look scummy and not get lynched at the same time. It's like always having a personal wincon: Survive till endgame.

Speaking of personal wincons, I can't really elaborate on mine because that's part of my role.

FullMetalLynch;14775713]@Hando elaborate on scum DH read

His claim still hasn't settled in my tummy.

 

[No Hetero]

Kary, early on in the game July latched onto me/Seph by calling us Town and gushing about fabulousness. Do you make anything of that?

Holy **** this reread is enlightening as ****. I need to take a look at Julys other scum games. Sigh, I do miss my boytoys Mac and Inferno.

Throne, have you talked to Kevin as of late? Wish he would post.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

It's not that I don't get it, it's that it's ridiculous. Another big on of NH's argument is the connections, which you seem to just straight up ignore here, instead try and prolong it with something concerning how he "hasn't done much" (This isn't even the biggest thing NH is getting at him for. They mention that it's 70% connections)This post reeks of you desperatley trying to defend hando.

I forget why I was talking to you, given that most of what I say seems wasted.

You'd have to lynch me twice, similar to that rino role from spidermafia. Kantrip botched the wincon.

Oh yeah. How is dying before endgame the same as being lynched?
Your personal wincon is exactly to get yourself lynched, twice?
???

lol @ Kary being like "but what if he does nothing regardless of his alignment?" or whatever. If I do play again on the marshy account after deadpool, I need to make sure to coast hardbody next time I roll scum since this site is so accepting of it.

Since you're here, why did you use your waller ability on me and not a lurker?

Kary, early on in the game July latched onto me/Seph by calling us Town and gushing about fabulousness. Do you make anything of that?

Not a lot. But I feel like the stances were probably faked. That's not to say you're not town, but for instance look at her read on WTT D1 then D2; I felt like that was forced and she was trying to put attention on that slot.

The reasoning for her townreads on you/Seph also seems very weak, and she seemed happy to put you two as town very quickly:

Lol kk, you didn't even ask what I liked about No Hetero. Is it their reads? Is it their flamboyance? It's quite a bit of both. I enjoy their posting style immensely, but I really like them because their #145 was short and sweet but already showed signs of scumhunting on you, Soup and JTB and asked useful questions they can follow up on.

I like Seph better so far, he's trying to take charge and lead town and I like that coming from him. I also like that he's being very open/transparent with his thoughts, it feels genuine to me.

I would say it makes me feel better about WTT more than it makes me suspicious of you/Seph; IMO it's null with reference to your slots, I can see it going either way too easily. I remain suspicious of you/Seph regardless of July's flip, though.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

I forget why I was talking to you, given that most of what I say seems wasted.

What a shame

Oh yeah. How is dying before endgame the same as being lynched?
Your personal wincon is exactly to get yourself lynched, twice?
???

One of my personal wincons is to get lynched. And I could see why kantrip could botch it up: the wincon is balls (Hey town! Let's cause a no lynch and then, instead of lynching scum, mislynch someone! Barrels of joy!) Hell, I even thought it was to die for a while.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

What a shame

No, really.
Disliking the case on Hando isn't the same as defending Hando; I can see why the two are related, but rest assured It's the former I'm guilty of. If you actually have questions for me that's grand, because I realise I should've just re-read Hando and kept all this to myself, but i'm not so interested in discussing it that I can be bothered responding to your dislike of my play anymore.

What a shame

One of my personal wincons is to get lynched. And I could see why kantrip could botch it up: the wincon is balls (Hey town! Let's cause a no lynch and then, instead of lynching scum, mislynch someone! Barrels of joy!) Hell, I even thought it was to die for a while.[/QUOTE]

Right. Think I have you now. You have two wincons:
1. Get yourself lynched (despite being 1-shot unlynchable)
2. Get yourself to L-2 without being lynched, 2 Days in a row.

Do you have to fulfil both of them?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Disliking the case on Hando isn't the same as defending Hando; I can see why the two are related, but rest assured It's the former I'm guilty of.

What makes me think it's defending is stuf like how you were saying that NH is like "Trust Me;" there's a very thick line between nothing and a bad case, which you were ignoring. The fact that you were attacking NH for that makes it feel like an actual defense, because you weren't saying the case was bad: you were saying that they had nothing, which is more of an attack

If you actually have questions for me that's grand, because I realise I should've just re-read Hando and kept all this to myself, but i'm not so interested in discussing it that I can be bothered responding to your dislike of my play anymore.

I am going to slap you so hard you'll be speaking old english.

Right. Think I have you now. You have two wincons:
1. Get yourself lynched (despite being 1-shot unlynchable)
2. Get yourself to L-2 without being lynched, 2 Days in a row.

I only have to fufill one of them.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

For the love of god Kary give us some goddamn stances.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

You keep asking **** and as soon as anyone starts talking about you you redirect attention to others. You've been puzzling **** out for a darn long while now. Give us some conclusions.

I want Raz to start playing or I'll lynch his ****ing *** to oblivion. Same for goddamn JTB as he has apparently caught up BUT THEN ABANDONED ALL OF US FOR NO REASON.

WtT needs to come in here as he is a point of focus for neigh all of us. FML needs to stop being so goddamn scummy if they really are town.

Handorin, you're not claiming your wincon? Fine. Whatever. You're eating a goddamn lynch anyway, tell us when you're about to get hammered.
Claim streak continues. I don't care if your personal goal might be harder, if we deem you town enough we will let you complete your ****. If you're not claiming, you're dying. Simple as that.

I'm sick and tired of sitting on the sidelines because I feel like other people are the essential puzzle pieces at the moment. Get your ***** in gear ****ing 20, set your volume to 200 and start ripping apart this game with some well-deserved activity, people.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Let's mass claim win conditions. This seems like a good list:

Already claimed:
Dark Horse
FML

Order:
Handorin
JTB
Kary
Raziek
WatchtheThrone
No Hetero
Sephiroths Masamune

Object now if there are objections.

Reference. Get to it, people. If you're complaining, at least that will give discussion IN SOME WAY. Geez.

 

[JTB]

I already claimed my wincon in one of my last posts

Assuming I don't get called back into work, I'll be in this today

 

[No Hetero]

:happy sheep:

1. Since you're here, why did you use your waller ability on me and not a lurker?

2. Not a lot. But I feel like the stances were probably faked. That's not to say you're not town, but for instance look at her read on WTT D1 then D2; I felt like that was forced and she was trying to put attention on that slot.

3. The reasoning for her townreads on you/Seph also seems very weak, and she seemed happy to put you two as town very quickly:

1. cuz it would accomplish absolutely nothing

2. need to think more on this

3. this is what july does as scum. i have played like 4 games with her and pegged her alignment every time amd can hand you her 1 dimensional scum meta right here:

a. ****ride the strong protown players (me/seph. she did this to ryker in mario party 2)

b. start ****ty obnoxious wall battles with people that no one wants to read (j in mario party 2 and you here)

c. come across as super logical but a deeper look shows she just says ******** **** like "i agree with x so i think player y is town"

 

[FullMetalLynch]

seph , if you wanna explain how what im doing is scummy , then go for it, otherwise calm your **** , i'm looking at Kary regardless of how many times you flip your read on him. im also isoing July ( not hard with 14 posts ) , if there's anything people want to ask or have me hit up, go for it , otherwise im going where i said i was D2 and just recently

 

[#HBC | Kary]

What makes me think it's defending is stuf like how you were saying that NH is like "Trust Me;" there's a very thick line between nothing and a bad case, which you were ignoring. The fact that you were attacking NH for that makes it feel like an actual defense, because you weren't saying the case was bad: you were saying that they had nothing, which is more of an attack

I really don't remember saying they had nothing, and it doesn't sound like me.

I was well aware that there was a case, but I didn't like the look/feel of it; see #1340 and #1344. I'll admit that I probably strawman NH in #1345 saying their argument is 'just trust me', but in all honesty there are a lot of points in their case that aren't well-argued for and just state 'this is probably july scum covering for Hando' or similar.

When I actually looked at Hando and the case in more detail, I admitted that while the case isn't great it's probably right.

You keep asking **** and as soon as anyone starts talking about you you redirect attention to others. You've been puzzling **** out for a darn long while now. Give us some conclusions.

What are you expecting? You just want me to out full reads?
I already said that I'm fine with Hando going, which is pretty much the order of the Day. Don't see what else is relevant right now that I haven't already mentioned.

And I really don't recall trying to redirect any attention, but hey, it's sweet of you to say so.

hand you her 1 dimensional scum meta right here:

a. ****ride the strong protown players (me/seph. she did this to ryker in mario party

I basically agree with the rest of this post, but not sure about point a) here:
is a strong pro-town player town-aligned necessarily?

 

[Raziek]

I've been writing exams and working a lot. I work a lot in the next couple days.

I will, however, read up, answer any questions that were directed at me, and offer any relevant thoughts.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

I really don't remember saying they had nothing, and it doesn't sound like me.

That's what "just trust me" implies: that they've got nothing. Otherwise, it's more than just trust me.

Would you be down for hando today?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

and yeah, hando can go. Seems too forced overall and there's a few really ugly-looking posts (#1171 and #1240 for example don't read as very natural, and don't seem to have a consistent stance on july).


Would vote hando but see no reason to end the day.

1010101010

 

[Raziek]

Raz: Who do you look at on a Hando scumflip? Other notable reads?

Hando scumflip is frustrating for me to sort out. He's a really obvious bus target at this point, so the connections are less valuable. I'd have to go back and re-read earlier communications and who pushed away from Hando on D1/D2 to get a better idea.

Kary has gotten noticeably worse for me. His defense of Hando is nasty, and he's pushing in distracting directions, while trying to undermine both you and Seph, who are my strongest Townreads right now.

I don't like him, but I'm having a hard time seeing scumKary blatantly defending scumHando. If Hando flips Town, scumKary going for "I told you so" points makes more sense to me. I don't see Kary and Hando being the same alignment.

As for the massclaim, I personally don't see a whole lot of benefit to doing so toDay when the lynch is essentially already on the table. I feel like that's putting an unnecessary amount of information on the table for scum.

Today's Lynch order for me: Hando > Kary > FML (Still don't really like that slot.)

It should be Hando though.

 

[Raziek]

Nah, it's weird that Hando and July were both plays D1 and scraped through. Don't like that it's swung back around to Hando now.

Looking back at Seph's reach-tastic case on Soup and No Hetero deciding to roll in that direction Day 1 still makes me think one of them might be scum.

But I think my point is this; yeah, people dislike Hando. That's been a theme throughout this game. But has he actually done anything scummy? I also don't follow why him talking about July makes him scummy.

Because yeah, don't like the look of that case on Hando. I'll admit he seems a bit scummy but for all I know he just plays like that.

@Hando: Is Raz still scum? Who are you looking at on July's flip?

@Raz: Who would you look at on a Hando scumflip? townflip?

@No Hetero: If you could, would you be lynching WTT today?

This post in particular bothers me, given that Kary then proceeds to backpedal around to "Well I guess Hando can go".

 

[WatchTheThrone]

Kevin head checking in

Completely ok with mass claims, if we're doing it in any specific order it should be Hando/NoHetero/Kary.. don't care past that.

Marshy, if you were serious about your masonry question that would be a no brainer we would take you up on that offer.

@NoHetero slot in general: "Likewise. Last Day, I asked you why you voted for July, after starting the Day saying your scumreads were Hando/Kary. What changed your read on July? Why did you not just compromise, but let go of your scumreads entirely for the Day?"

I didn't realize this was a serious question because it seemed like such an obvious play to swap our vote on July, when Kary impaled herself with modvotes and a slot (july) had already told us 100 percent that her win condition was to lynch Kary. WE realized that July had no reason NOT to hammer Kary as a primary lynch candidate herself and we weren't about to gamble a players WinCon if they're possible indy/scum just because our lynch picks might be a secondary lynch. We let Kary live because we didn't want to gamble with her on a timer. We wanted Kary dead but not on the terms of a July get out of jail free card when both the heads have admitted to being unable to read July.

 

[WatchTheThrone]

Give me a moment going to lay down our cards on the table since now's a good time to put where our heads are at atm.

 

[No Hetero]

"I didn't realize this was a serious question because it seemed like such an obvious play to swap our vote on July, when Kary impaled herself with modvotes and a slot (july) had already told us 100 percent that her win condition was to lynch Kary. WE realized that July had no reason NOT to hammer Kary as a primary lynch candidate herself and we weren't about to gamble a players WinCon if they're possible indy/scum just because our lynch picks might be a secondary lynch. We let Kary live because we didn't want to gamble with her on a timer. We wanted Kary dead but not on the terms of a July get out of jail free card when both the heads have admitted to being unable to read July."

Yes. But what I'm talking about is why you voted July at the beginning of the Day as the second vote on her, instead of pushing Hando or Kary.

 

[WatchTheThrone]

Starting with you NH

I want to work with you here I really do, your D3 has been something I can agree with, but if you want us to mop your ego off the court you're gonna have to stop throwing your **** all over it.

The position you put us in was that both of our heads disliked your D1 and D2, we thought it was poorly played, we thought you were pressuring in multiple directions without actually concreting something, falling back on the hydra excuse when pressured on contradictions in reads and every Day it seems you are there just trying to undermine the things we're saying/reading.

However, we can't just overlook the fact that the July read that you held early into D1 and all the way through her lynch was correct. Coming into D3 you found a direction we can agree with, you're right on the way that Hando was connected to July and it was something we had discussed outside of the thread. However you're still going to have to walk us through how you reached this read. You don't simply overlook this connection to your biggest scumread throughout the first two Days, walk us through where you changed your outlook on Hando.

I don't want to put you as town, because the moment we put you as town, scumhetero walks through this game untouched, as of right now you're number 3-4 rounding up the back end of our lynch pool. So talk to me bro give me what I want to know and ask me what you need to know, let's try and for one minute not bash heads and instead put them together.

Next on the chalkboard, this one goes back to when NH asked me the KevinM head specifically who I would shoot.

Kantrip/DH, has basically been allowed to cruise through the end of D1, all of d2 and is only now catching heat after he was claimcruising with no one discussing the possibilities of just how harmful his role could be as scum. If for some REASON Hando flips town which both of our heads think doesn't seem likely, we NEED to lynch this slot the next day. It is Mylo if there are two scum left 4/2 and we can't risk his claim carrying him to a free scum win.

Hando, been on this slot since D1, nothing has changed, the reasons to lynch the slot is only adding up. Your connection with July as highlighted with No Hetero is completely correct. This slot is the play toDay after we have our fill of discussion.

JTB, up until 5 minutes ago both heads in this slot forgot this guy was in the game. And conveniently he comes out swinging on Hando.. the safest slot to swing on in all of D3. The problem is with a soup mislynch D1, we don't have the freedom to throw mislynches at weak slots like JTB at this point into the game. We have to many questions with active players that need to be addressed to just throw away lynches on a slot that is basically unreadable. JTB you need to play this game, town JTB can not afford to let the game slip him by, we deal with him with or without a read because not giving us anything to work with this far into the game crushes us. YOU CAN NO LONGER AFFORD TO COAST. Please for the love of god if you can cop, cop this slot.

Kary, this read is so god damn inconclusive. I literally think there's nothing from this slot I've agreed with almost the entire game. I want the slot to be scum so bad, and it continues to say how it hasn't been a fan of No Hetero for the entire game, but spent the entirety of D1 in NH's pocket. This slot makes no commital posts like 1404 where when asked about a claim it takes the most massive no-stand on yes or no, and arbitrarily says scum keeps sitting between Me/Nh/Seph without making a conclusive post to show her decisive reads. Making sidelong comments about how when asked about his read progression he skirts aside it talking about how the question is grimy without actually addressing the actual content or explaining why it would be a bad question.

On the flip of the coin, this slot was so FIRMLY against July and we don't see the two players coming up with a bogus I have to lynch Kary claim, during D2 like that.

 

[WatchTheThrone]

@NH 1429, the pseudo guiltys. There were two people who hinted at night actions that damned the slot.

 

[WatchTheThrone]

In conclusion,

We have a definite lynch in Hando today, this slot has to go we have had nothing change, it's our most confident scum read and it needs to get ****ed outta here. It has an additional benefit in that a scumflip makes us feel infinitely better about NH and a townflip makes us feel incredibly cautious of NH, because of his whiteknighting of the Hando slot on D1. Past that it gets a lot murkier, we have Kary who we previously outlined as such a huge problem slot with one strong redeeming factor. We have Dark Horse, another huge issue that is just a ticking time bomb if he's actually town. And we have JTB which is a slot that just hasn't played the game. The problem with NH is that he doesn't seem as scummy as the rest of the cast we've just mentioned but at the same time I, KevinM, just never find myself disagreeing this much with Marshy, and even if he's wrong Ryker normally has a solid read on Marshy and this time with how D3 has played out we're just confused on it.

Lynch order that we're currently looking at

Hando
Dark Horse
Kary/No Hetero

all of these obviously being independent of flips, because the order would most certainly change with certain flips ie Hando Scum would push NH further back.

Hando you should probably get to claiming.

I want it all

Role
Name
Win Cons
SSN#

I want it with a physical on my desk by monday morning, or in your next post.

 

[No Hetero]

Yo

Kary:
is a strong pro-town player town-aligned necessarily?

Serious question? No. Ideal scum looks pro-town without being so e.g. scumhunting and building strong MLs, and close-to-ideal scum actually plays pro-town e.g. scumhunting on partners and indies. If her partners looked town, she'd back them.



Throne:
Cool. Time is out on the offer (picked something else), good to know where you stand, could've used this post when I asked you. Not a big deal, we've stopped looking at you toDay. Hit me with the same if you win a puzzle.

I have nothing but hydra johns to give you on Hando as I said. I've been gutscum on him all game. Last Night we disagreed on who should be our focus toDay (you/Raz) so I said "what about Hando" and reread, found connections, showed connections. (I thought Julytown/Karyscum prior to flip and hadn't noticed anything, Marsh was Julyscum and Handobadtown.) He agreed with my case and said Hando needed to go regardless, since he'd felt that Hando was being sat on by other people who called him a scumread (mainly your slot hence the Hando/Kary question) and stunting progress.

Who did you think had pseudoguilties? (Ignore if outing people) Tired from IPL4 so will talk to you later, ask me stuff.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Ragnarock (7) - JTB, Handorin, Sephiroths Masamune, No Hetero, Inferno, WatchedTheThrone, Macman
July (2) - Soup, Kantrip
Handorin (1) - Raziek
Kary (1) - July

Not Voting (2): FullMetalLynch, Kary,

Right now I have two potential scumteams:

#1 is July, Hando, JTB
#2 is July, Hando, one of Seph/NH/WTT

I still don't understand how we ended up on Soup Day 1, when to me he was town-telling as hard as he ever does. I'd like to think that strong players like Seph/NH/WTT would have also had that opinion, and so wouldn't have wanted him lynched. And yet, there they are.

I can't really be bothered trawling back through 20something pages of D1. But I remember things like NH saying 'nah i'm just not feeling Hando right now'; and Seph saying things like 'July vs Kary is TvT', and WTT wanting Hando dead just from his first post.

So I think it's reasonable to come into toDay still with questions hanging over those slots; I still don't totally understand their pushes, or why they can't work together. I'm hoping a Hando flip will clear some of that up for me. But until I have a better picture of what's going on, I don't plan to let players slide by just because a lot of players think they must be town.


w.r.t. my read progression on the slots; I don't like the question because there isn't much sensible progression. At best I can tell you I have been suspicious of Seph from the get-go, whereas NH and WTT have occasionally waxed townie for me. I haven't been keeping a diary and I haven't settled on any strong reads. There's nothing wrong with the question except that I don't have a sensible answer.


to round out my reads;
Hando is likely scum, needs to die
One of NH/Seph/WTT is plausibly scum (Gut still says Seph overall)
Kantrip -town
FML -still likely town
Raz -town lean
JTB -i would love to say obvtown but sadly he posted something

 

[No Hetero]

Kary

"I basically agree with the rest of this post, but not sure about point a) here:
is a strong pro-town player town-aligned necessarily?"

I meant strong protown in THAT specific game. July doesn't ****ing get a role pm with seph as her partner and say "oh lemme ride his **** hardbody" from the getgo. So to answer your question, yes. Your most recent post is horrible and I will get to it soon. For now I just want to let you know that you are offensively bad and the way you're playing makes me think you drew the Badwolf role.

 

[No Hetero]

1. Starting with you NH

I want to work with you here I really do, your D3 has been something I can agree with, but if you want us to mop your ego off the court you're gonna have to stop throwing your **** all over it.

2. The position you put us in was that both of our heads disliked your D1 and D2, we thought it was poorly played, 3. we thought you were pressuring in multiple directions without actually concreting something, 4. falling back on the hydra excuse when pressured on contradictions in reads and 5. every Day it seems you are there just trying to undermine the things we're saying/reading.

6. However, we can't just overlook the fact that the July read that you held early into D1 and all the way through her lynch was correct. Coming into D3 you found a direction we can agree with, you're right on the way that Hando was connected to July and it was something we had discussed outside of the thread. 7. However you're still going to have to walk us through how you reached this read. You don't simply overlook this connection to your biggest scumread throughout the first two Days, walk us through where you changed your outlook on Hando.

8. I don't want to put you as town, because the moment we put you as town, scumhetero walks through this game untouched, as of right now you're number 3-4 rounding up the back end of our lynch pool. So talk to me bro give me what I want to know and ask me what you need to know, let's try and for one minute not bash heads and instead put them together.

Throne
1. oh snap

2. word? **** yall then. if pushing a scum wagon and identifying a third of the playerlist as town early into d1 is poorly played im fine with that

3. how about d1 where we literally said "soup or july today" or d2 where we were like "hey guys. july dies today. fml vote july thanks". there is nothing wrong with pushing multiple directions without concreting something in and by itself. that is just interacting and pressuring/questioning people early in a game to attain reads. not that this is even correct considering we DID make our conclusion clear

4. in addition to what nabe has said ill add this: it happens. me and nabe are 2 vastly different players born in vastly different metas

5. weve asked you for **** several times butve been ignored or forced to ****ing ask you yet again. your incessant pushing of him along with nabes convincing me is why he wont escape this noose. hes scummy enough to warrant the lynch and that flip is absolutely needed at this point in the game. it gives me insight on you and raz who are 2 slots ive intensely disliked all game and forces both of yall to do something other than sit on hando which i need

now YOU can ****ing work with ME and go into detail on that raz read. i want the kevin half to respond to this. raz was playing scummy as **** early in the game and it pisses me the **** off that people call him town cuz of ****ty reasons like "he ated" and "him thinking hando was scum lines up with raz town"...what the mother****? god i wish i was vig and i know macman is crying if he is reading this ****

you have kary on your list. something that interests me is how july called her indy at some point during d2. weird thing for scummates to say to each other along with the lyncher wincon july had. kary is indeed awfulatrocious megabad worst ****in poster but they seem unaligned. why does every game have to have that supremely dumb or scum guy sigh

6. iight

7. i tend to look harder at potential scumbuddies AFTER the flip and when i know 100% that they are scum. after the july flip i still hated you and raz. i can tell you right now that i will never get over razs early game posts. we had narrowed things down to you/hando/raz for d3 lynch and settled on hando after nabe pointed out the connections

8. sure. i want you guys to hammer today. i dont give a **** about jtb achieving his wincon with the way hes played. he deserves to lose

 

[No Hetero]

Right now I have two potential scumteams:

#1 is July, Hando, JTB
#2 is July, Hando, one of Seph/NH/WTT

1. I still don't understand how we ended up on Soup Day 1, when to me he was town-telling as hard as he ever does. I'd like to think that strong players like Seph/NH/WTT would have also had that opinion, and so wouldn't have wanted him lynched. And yet, there they are.

I can't really be bothered trawling back through 20something pages of D1. But I remember things like NH saying 'nah i'm just not feeling Hando right now'; and Seph saying things like 'July vs Kary is TvT', and WTT wanting Hando dead just from his first post.

So I think it's reasonable to come into toDay still with questions hanging over those slots; I still don't totally understand their pushes, or 2. why they can't work together. I'm hoping a Hando flip will clear some of that up for me. But until I have a better picture of what's going on, I don't plan to let players slide by just because a lot of players think they must be town.


w.r.t. my read progression on the slots; I don't like the question because there isn't much sensible progression. At best I can tell you I have been suspicious of Seph from the get-go, whereas NH and WTT have occasionally waxed townie for me. I haven't been keeping a diary and I haven't settled on any strong reads. There's nothing wrong with the question except that I don't have a sensible answer.


to round out my reads;
Hando is likely scum, needs to die
One of NH/Seph/WTT is plausibly scum (Gut still says Seph overall)
Kantrip -town
FML -still likely town
Raz -town lean
JTB -i would love to say obvtown but sadly he posted something

1. And yet...me/Seph/Throne.can't all be scum. Meaning that there are protown players among your group that YOU YOURSELF ****ing admit actually DIDNT give a **** about soups "towntells" meaning its NOT ****ing scummy and your ****ty logic ****s on its own self holy **** kary

2. are we in the same game? are we both playing overswarms the wall game right now? how are you saying that we cant work together when a decent part of my reasoning for pushing soup was for seph and same with throne wrt hando? did you miss the part where i voted kantplay d1 simply cuz seph asked me or a boatload of other **** thats gone down?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

1. And yet...me/Seph/Throne.can't all be scum. Meaning that there are protown players among your group that YOU YOURSELF ****ing admit actually DIDNT give a **** about soups "towntells" meaning its NOT ****ing scummy and your ****ty logic ****s on its own self holy **** kary

why do I even have to spell this out.

There is a BIG difference between not giving a **** and wanting someone as your top lynch choice.
You KNOW that Day 1 the three of you were pulling in different directions. YEAH there were likely a couple of town players who were willing to compromise; so voting for Soup isn't scummy in itself.
But I DO NOT THINK that if all three of you were town you would have lynched Soup given the way the Day played out and the other potential targets.

CAPICHE?

2. are we in the same game? are we both playing overswarms the wall game right now? how are you saying that we cant work together when a decent part of my reasoning for pushing soup was for seph and same with throne wrt hando? did you miss the part where i voted kantplay d1 simply cuz seph asked me or a boatload of other **** thats gone down?

Fine. Take 'can't work together' and replace with 'keep *****ing at one another and have very different targets that only occasionally line up and then somehow all end up on the same waggon'


bored of you trying to **** on my play now
maybe i'm wrong but I don't see why it's such a big issue.

 

[No Hetero]

Talk about how much you love me, Karybear.

About how jealous you were when you found out you were no longer allowed to gaze into my eyes all day and instead someone else was.

 

[Handorin]

gaze into my eyes all day

Yoyo: You Only #yolo Once-
Handorin, you're not claiming your wincon? Fine. Whatever. You're eating a goddamn lynch anyway, tell us when you're about to get hammered.
Claim streak continues. I don't care if your personal goal might be harder, if we deem you town enough we will let you complete your ****. If you're not claiming, you're dying. Simple as that.

WatchTheThrone-
Hando you should probably get to claiming.
I want it all

Role
Name
Win Cons
SSN#

I want it with a physical on my desk by monday morning, or in your next post.

You guys will find out when I die. I don't need to satisfy your fantasies right now. I don't know why your so worried. I'm a big boy and know what I'm doing.