The Wall - Game End.... no one wins?

[No Hetero]

1. Hando isn't DOING anything. He's sheeping NH's slot, he has zero independent reasoning and anything that he hasn't regurgitated from the **** you're putting out is flat out wrong. The fact that people, you included, are still giving him passes on that absolutely awful first post he had is mindblowing. He's trying to outguess the mod, he's latching onto terrible reasoning on his vote and he's seemingly playing like he doesn't care who dies or what even happens during the Day phase.

So if YOU actually want to play this ****ing game, instead of just trying to promote conflict. You're not giving us actual reasoning onto why Macman was right and we should be looking into his reads since he died... you're just pushing the same agenda that conveniently matches what you wanted on D1. 2. Why don't you point out a read of Macman's that differed from yours on D1?

You said yesterday that lynching Hando would clear up a lot of reads and that you weren't against the possibility...3. You however went on to say "You weren't feeling it" what reads would that clear up? 4. Why weren't you feeling it? 5. What put you onto Hando aside from placating us?

1. cool

2. uh why? offhand im pretty sure our reads matched

3. you/raz. you talked a big game yesterday and both halves strongly advocated handos death but were more far passive for my liking. you dont have the "oomph" id expect. raz i believe wanted to drum up a hando wagon with soup near the end of the dayphase. my impression of both your slots this game is that youve been sitting on hando the entire time. if hes scum? cool. if hes town? go die in a fire. the way i treat you/kevin is that i want you guys to hand me scum on a silver platter and i can be like "iight cool" and sheep hardbody

4. instinct. handos first post didnt bother me that much. i was also focusing on you/raz/july i think which distracted me from him. thats 3 lynches i was happy with not named hando

5. absolutely nothing other than nabe telling me that he disliked hando in passing and compromising with you/seph

speaking of which thats something i oughta make clear. i am not bull****ting when i say that if i have a townread on seph (yes) and kevin/ryker (**** no) that i am perfectly fine with alternating lynches between us with a little bit of compromise here and there. i dont ****ing like the way youre playing this game ryker. too passive for my liking and youre setting yourself up for thread power once me and seph get nkilled. youve ignored july all game and didnt even analyze raz til recently. july started the game ****riding you hardbody and you announced your intention on making raz act as your doublevoter from the beginning. both of these players were largely ignored by slot til today when town decided to hardbody crew july and raz when someone directly asked you why he wasnt on your reads list. its like if someone sheeps you they get a pass. kary who while competent doesnt have the muscles to take you down imo starts off the game saying "ryker im a threat to you come at me bro" and then you immediately latch onto him and say he can die. i come at you today and boom im on your scumteam. its like youre pointing a knife at anyone who challenges you and it bothers the **** out of me

what i DO like is that you have some solid content here and there. your analysis of fmls play is pretty good and i agree with you that hes likelier to be dumb over scum. so it shows that youre actually putting thought into a less intimidating players alignment instead of just ****ting on him. i also liked the way you came around to a townlean on me/nabe

however i want more cuz i feel like youre toeing the line. the reason im appealing to seph and conversing with you the way i am is due to me believing that you/seph have a knack for catching things that i miss and vice versa. see: paper mario [me/ronike & seph/j] mp2 [me/july & ryker/kevin/j] skies of arcadia [marshmallowman & am having the entire scumteam between us by ****ing d2]

 

[No Hetero]

Throne

Town:

WtT
Seph
FML

Null Lean Town:

NH (dear god, please don't sleep on this slot)

Null:

July
JTB
Inferno

Scum:

Kantrip (I think. Need to read his claim again).
Kary
Hando

Take my Inferno read and Sephs DHorse read with a serving of Raziek Needs to Die and out pops...July/Kary/Hando/Raziek. Fascinating to think about.

Something I've thought about: Kantplay claimed traitor. While I am not crazy about outguessing OS, I can't help but think that Traitor is just too...standard for his tastes. Especially when he headlined this as an experimental game and we have crazy **** like Kingmakers and Lie Detectora running around...

 

[Inferno3044]

Outguessing the mod is not something we should attempt. Finding scum is our first priority.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Take

So far we have accomplished very little today we need to go and scumhunt.

Kantplay claimed traitor.

nah, he said he was traitor, but actually claimed his wincon was to die before endgame OR to be at L-2 w/o dying 2 days in a row, and had been trying to get himself nk'd.

 

[No Hetero]

So far we have accomplished very little today we need to go and scumhunt.

So DAR, you noob.

God

 

[#HBC | Kary]

what i DO like is that you have some solid content here and there.

@NH:what do you think of WTT being on Hando?
Also, are Hando and July aligned?

Did a little re-read.

@FML: Raz not a priority. which of WTT/NH/Seph do you trust most and why?

@DH: who's scum and why?

@Seph: your utter confidence in Julyscum is weird, Y/N?

@WTT: why is July scum?

@Hando: why is Raz scum? Does Macman flip affect your read on Raz?

@Raz: what do you think of the Soup/Hando waggons yesterday?

@July: please respond to the two points in my #1197; that your lynch me wincon is broken, that you went about it in a strange way.

@everyone: Anyone have Hando as a town read?

yeah lotsa questions sorry

 

[#HBC | Kary]

So DAR, you noob.

God

haha sorry

explain 'actually, i'm the dayvig' to me?

inb4 take it to the social thread

 

[No Hetero]

explain 'actually, i'm the dayvig' to me?

In Phoenix Wright Mafia, a player named Pierre the Scarecrow claimed Town Dayvig (he was telling the truth). SwordsRBroken was an indy survivor and, for some hilariously ******** reason no one with a brain will ever even begin to understand, counterclaimed Pierre. Pierre was like, "what the ****? 2 dayvigs? lolno **** outta hear shoot swords" and thus Swords got himself killed as an Indy in a legendary manner.

Also, the way you were pulling townreads out on Inferno/Macman and started the game attacking Throne heavily interests me. I wonder, why did you have a "COME AT ME BRO" approach to him like that before he could put out any game related content?

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

@FML: Raz not a priority. which of WTT/NH/Seph do you trust most and why?

Don't answer this.

@Seph: your utter confidence in Julyscum is weird, Y/N?

I'm not answering this.

What is DAR?

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Just because his reads line up with yours doesn't mean he's town. What happened between yesterDay and toDay? Both your reads aligned a bit? Woopty doo. Doesn't make him town. We should still be lynching Raz. I don't want him slipping out toDay because July caught some people's panties. She can go toMorrow

In other news, this sudden hate on me is hilarious. It came out of nowhere for no reason.

I had Raz as town yesterday too, nothing changed.

I have no idea where the scum read is coming from. His early posts read as usual Raz and general RazDisinterest in Day1.

Besides, in July's "I'm looking at these"-list, Raz looked like an easy jump more than a bus.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

July today.
Handorin afterwards, but he needs to talk more often.
After that, I compromise Raziek. I'll talk about that when it's more relevant.

I've given this a lot of thought. This is the optimal way to go. Raziek and Handorin CAN be switched but I'd rather not.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

In Phoenix Wright Mafia, a player named Pierre the Scarecrow claimed Town Dayvig (he was telling the truth). SwordsRBroken was an indy survivor and, for some hilariously ******** reason no one with a brain will ever even begin to understand, counterclaimed Pierre. Pierre was like, "what the ****? 2 dayvigs? lolno **** outta hear shoot swords" and thus Swords got himself killed as an Indy in a legendary manner.

awesome, may go and read that at some point.

Also, the way you were pulling townreads out on Inferno/Macman and started the game attacking Throne heavily interests me. I wonder, why did you have a "COME AT ME BRO" approach to him like that before he could put out any game related content?

my very early RVS? ehh i was just throwing stuff out there. I actually had macman as scum mid- Day 1. As to WTT, I believe the Ryker scum meta is to lynch whoever's a threat to him, depending on what he can get away with. Wanted to call that out straight away and see how he'd go from there; ignore it, etc. To still have me as a scumread, but apparently be ok with July lynch is a bit suspect in my eyes. Not sure 'bout that slot.

@Seph: why telling people what to do? Oh wait grabbing thread power. nevermind.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

@Seph: are Hando & July aligned? what points to this?

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

No, I'm THINKING about questions, contrary to you who just asks them without considering if answering said questions is profitable to town as a whole.

This is quite elementary.

 

[WatchTheThrone]

NH, I'm not done with you. We'll try again this afternoon and the next day after that until we finish. In the meantime, why don't you get Nabe to show me where he started hating on Hando?

@FML: Raz not a priority. which of WTT/NH/Seph do you trust most and why?

So that wall post WAS you.

@WTT: why is July scum?

Likely, she's not. The entire thing ****ing screams "this is a set-up" with the way you have completely dropped any pretense of pushing July based on anything but win con and the way you jumped on her and latched onto it for the entire game when I saw absolutely nothing remarkable one way or another.

That being said, there are a **** ton of people crumbing July bingos and she has to go in order for people to move on. Her win con claim did her absolutely no good and I dislike the lack of a roleclaim when she is the consensus lynch with no one sticking up for her.

@Raz: what do you think of the Soup/Hando waggons yesterday?

@DH: who's scum and why?

What do you hope to gain from these? Why have you ignored JTB?

@Seph: your utter confidence in Julyscum is weird, Y/N?

What the **** do you get out of asking this question? What possible benefit is there for town Kary?

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

@Seph: are Hando & July aligned? what points to this?

Yes. This is one thing. Handorin wanting to go Raziek today before going July points to it. Them both being scummy points to it.

 

[No Hetero]

awesome, may go and read that at some point.

you totally should. the game stars me/kevin giving zero ****s as we are wont to do. jerkus co stars as obvtown dying n2 along with a gheb/rockin/kataefi scumteam. cacti plays That Obnoxious Piece of **** Protown Player Who Does Nothing living to lylo and pierre standing out as a protown player making the correct decision in lylo which is rare and admirable

 

[WatchTheThrone]

For the record, I'm not ignoring the large section of your post directed at me, but I am going to wait at least until I'm on lunch break and probably until I'm off work and can talk to Kevin. Today's likely to go similar yesterday scheduling wise.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Also

@Seph #1254, yeah you claim you're thinking, you claim i'm not. Nice ego.

@WTT: how so is this a set-up?
also, why are you fence-sitting by stating things you dislike about July's slot?

If people get an open question like 'whos scum' it's probably because I have them as null/town and want more input from them. If I get more input from them then that's great. JTB isn't on the list because he's clearly not actually in this game and I'm not interested in pushing him.

and pushing Seph w.r.t. July might go some way to getting a better read on Seph, given his erratic as heck play the start of toDay? If he HAS some sort of bingo he could've been more subtle/less in a hurry about it, and I'd expect as such. At the moment I'm struggling to see past the 'Trust Seph forget problems' in his play.

 

[WatchTheThrone]

I'm fence-sitting because I'm sitting on the fence. It smells like a set-up because July has claimed to have RECIEVED a win-con and you, again, have dropped all pretense of pushing anything else about her. Can you tell me what originally put you, personally, onto that wagon?

Seriously, I could not possibly push a July lynch given how much I dislike you if it were not for semi-claims.

 

[WatchTheThrone]

and pushing Seph w.r.t. July might go some way to getting a better read on Seph, given his erratic as heck play the start of toDay? If he HAS some sort of bingo he could've been more subtle/less in a hurry about it, and I'd expect as such. At the moment I'm struggling to see past the 'Trust Seph forget problems' in his play.

I've not seen erratic play toDay. I've seen very focused play. Please point out what I've missed. What are the "problems" you're referencing?

 

[FullMetalLynch]

@FML: Raz not a priority. which of WTT/NH/Seph do you trust most and why?

Right now both me and Orbo are liking NH. The direction today and the back and forth have made the Rake side see that while marshy may scream and shout for lynches , he's not going to sit on that alone and has been interacting and being open / etcetera.

I`m not sure why Seph didn`t want me to answer this but whatever.

Regardless of toDay cop or tracker or whatever on our slot or Raz sound reasonable to people ?

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

He's talking about me confusing who Macman investigated at the start of the day and being lost because Soup flipped town.

It was erratic, but it didn't last long.

and yes, those questions that I deemed better off unanswered point towards you not putting much thought into it.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I pulled a scumteam out of a hat D1; July/Kantrip/FML. July didn't react well as I recall. Things such as her saying 'oh well at least if I die we'll lynch Karyscum tomorrow' rang alarm bells for me. Right at the beginning? Her questioning my motives/misreading what I said w.r.t. wall posts looked like it could be her trying to paint my actions as scummy. Still not 100% on Julyscum, but her explaining her play vs. her wincon would help my read I believe.

Did you see the very start of toDay w.r.t. Macman etc.? Then the 'trust me on July'? I found that a bit... hyperactive, erratic.

and that was basically a turn of phrase... what about seph's play doesn't say 'follow me everything will be ok'

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Right now both me and Orbo are liking NH. The direction today and the back and forth have made the Rake side see that while marshy may scream and shout for lynches , he's not going to sit on that alone and has been interacting and being open / etcetera.

Yeah guys, let's give scum even more information to build a perfect endgame with!

Good job Kary. Urg.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

I pulled a scumteam out of a hat D1; July/Kantrip/FML. July didn't react well as I recall. Things such as her saying 'oh well at least if I die we'll lynch Karyscum tomorrow' rang alarm bells for me. Right at the beginning? Her questioning my motives/misreading what I said w.r.t. wall posts looked like it could be her trying to paint my actions as scummy. Still not 100% on Julyscum, but her explaining her play vs. her wincon would help my read I believe.

Did you see the very start of toDay w.r.t. Macman etc.? Then the 'trust me on July'? I found that a bit... hyperactive, erratic.

and that was basically a turn of phrase... what about seph's play doesn't say 'follow me everything will be ok'

Do you want me to reply to this? Serious question.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

not really, that's in reply to WTT

 

[#HBC | Kary]

@WTT: so I would send July a wincon to have me lynched, then tunnel her?

and that explains why she essentially OMGUS'd me, rather than playing it cool?

I mean, there's other stuff like, really, how plausible is it for a townie to receive a wincon that involves being on someones lynch, given that if scum NK that person you auto-fail.

but w/e

@Seph: FML is town Y/N?

 

[Handorin]

@Hando: why is Raz scum? Does Macman flip affect your read on Raz?

Where were you yesterDay when the cases were brought? But yes, having a town lie detector push him also influenced my desire to lynch him toDay. Especially since yesterDay, everyone was gung ho about lynching him toDay. Now everyone is wimping out.

Yes. This is one thing. Handorin wanting to go Raziek today before going July points to it. Them both being scummy points to it.

See above. He's still scummy. I still want him dead.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

you totally should. The game stars me/kevin giving zero ****s as we are wont to do. Jerkus co stars as obvtown dying n2 along with a gheb/rockin/kataefi scumteam. Cacti plays that obnoxious piece of **** protown player who does nothing living to lylo and pierre standing out as a protown player making the correct decision in lylo which is rare and admirable

**** me


no-one vote for me at all

 

[#HBC | Kary]

in

100% serious do not vote for me

warning you now!

 

[FullMetalLynch]

AT Seph: Fine.

I trust Raz so much because he is making an enormous difference in this game and once he gets back in here we will all bow in the awe that is RazSuperTownMazing.

In fact Raz is probably some sort of amazing PR who`s trying to sit in the shadows and build up a list of trust able players to take into end-game.

I dont know why no one else cant have Raz as town.

Scum should kill Raz because without him town would be lost.

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Lol at so much of sarcasm

AT KARY: Have you suffered a recent blow to the head ?

Also: You secretly want people to vote you : Y / N ?[

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

@Seph: FML is town Y/N?

I'm on no. More scum than dumb, in my opinion. However, because it's a crapshoot, I don't want to go too hard on it for compromise sake and the fact that going on him too hard now will make him easy to mislynch later if he's a dumbytowny.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

able

Ok, OS is actually ambiguous as to whether I get a MOD vote per infraction, or if I break my restriction at all I get 1 MOD vote. Obviously hoping it's the latter.

Otherwise I like this game a lot less all of a sudden

@mod: request votecount

 

[#HBC | Kary]

you totally should. the game stars me/kevin giving zero ****s as we are wont to do. jerkus co stars as obvtown dying n2 along with a gheb/rockin/kataefi scumteam. cacti plays That Obnoxious Piece of **** Protown Player Who Does Nothing living to lylo and pierre standing out as a protown player making the correct decision in lylo which is rare and admirable

@FML

obviously not

and obviously not

do NOT vote for me, i need to see a votecount

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Do you mind elaborating on your restriction ?

Obviously you shouting : Don`t vote for me is going to make all of scum go : welp looks like Kary needs more votes : Y / N ?

 

[Inferno3044]

FML I already know his restriction. Im curious as to why neither player has said anything about it. If anybody votes Kary before the votecount, consider yourself dead. If kary is at L-1 and he is voted, consider yourself dead. This definitely goes for you July.

 

[Inferno3044]

He has just realized that he has been breaking it so he has probably stacked up mod votes.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

FML I already know his restriction. Im curious as to why neither player has said anything about it. If anybody votes Kary before the votecount, consider yourself dead. If kary is at L-1 and he is voted, consider yourself dead. This definitely goes for you July.

Welp.

You sure know a lot of stuff.

I feel like his restriction should be obvious, but I dont feel like looking for patterns.

I guess because Inferno had such a reaction , I will be backing him up by proxying my vote to whoever ignores what these 2 have been saying.

He has just realized that he has been breaking it so he has probably stacked up mod votes.

Isnt it usually non-stack for mod-votes ? Also if he was breaking it so much, wouldnt he have had more in the last vote count or did he just start breaking his restriction ?

 

[WatchTheThrone]

Anyone tries to be Rambo and make a play on Kary is going to get ****ed.

There's still too much to do here.