The UU MetaGame Discussion Thread

[Terywj [태리]]

Well I'm guessing with Honchkrow and Gallade running around Chansey really couldn't find an easy way to come in and actually do something, so people probably left it off their team. And now that there's Crissy...well, you can probably figure that one out. It's pretty much a lot more reliable to use than Chansey, thanks to it being good in ALL defensive stats.

And actually having attacking moves. Calm Mind on Cresselia is a lot better of than Calm Mind Chansey.

Although, there's still mixed Blaziken and Ambipom everywhere, so Chansey shouldn't show anyways.

-Terywj

 

[SilentVerse]

And actually having attacking moves. Calm Mind on Cresselia is a lot better of than Calm Mind Chansey.

Although, there's still mixed Blaziken and Ambipom everywhere, so Chansey shouldn't show anyways.

-Terywj

Yeah, I agree that Cress is better than Chansey. Still, I wonder what set Cress is going to most commonly run? Cress has quite a few choices that would be perfectly viable in UU after all...

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Cresselia would be a great user of screens, as the unnamed best (Rotom) has poorer defenses than she does. Calm Mind sets might be great if it's statting-up against a Raikou.
I just think any defensive oriented set in general will do well for Cress.

-Terywj

 

[kirbyraeg]

or we could see a trickspecs set, considering that her defenses let her switch in and take a lot of punishment...

that'd be the funniest set ever, something like signal beam/psychic/energy ball(grass knot)/trick

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I could see that working. In fact I think I'll try it out just for the lolz.

-Terywj

 

[ss118]

Cresselia's biggest niche, imo, is its ability to use Sunny Day to like the greatest degree.

It doesn't even have to be on a sunny day team. Just abuse it with pokes like Arcanine, Moltres, water-weak pokes, etc. Get's 2/3 free healing, as well. Also conflicts with RD teams, should they become a problem.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

That's actually a good point. Cresselia has even better defenses than Uxie, and has access to Moonlight.

Arcanine and Moltres would love the sun, as well as Blaziken and Houndoom. Exeggutor would be able to run rampant along with Shiftry.

I still hate weather teams though.

-Terywj

 

[Wave⁂]

What, no Tangrowth love?

 

[The Star King]

Sunny day cuts the moonlight recovery...

 

[Pink Reaper]

No it doesn't. Raises it to 75% in fact.

 

[xLeafybug =D]

No, in sun, Moonlight heals 2/3 or 66.6666666...% life.

Rain Dance cuts it to 25% though.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Sunny day cuts the moonlight recovery...

No, in sun, Moonlight heals 2/3 or 66.6666666...% life.

Rain Dance cuts it to 25% though.

Thanks, Leafy. xD

What, no Tangrowth love?

Tangrowth's pretty cool, but I think Exeggcutor is scarier.

-Terywj

 

[Metal~Mario]

No, in sun, Moonlight heals 2/3 or 66.6666666...% life.

Rain Dance cuts it to 25% though.

^Precisely. As does any other weather effect really.

....like it matters. All users of moonlight are UU or below.

@Terywj: Yes. Eggy can explode!

 

[SilentVerse]

So after playing a lot of matches on Shoddy, I have found that:

-CM Cress is a *****, especially with Rest and Sleep Talk or Psycho Shift. However, it isn't impossible to beat, since if it runs CM, Rest, and Sleep Talk, the last move is easy to wall. Psycho Shift is harder and requires me to have a PHazer and such. Both fall to PHazers.
-Cress is overall a great Pokemon in UU. I don't think it is broken though. It seems like a great supporter and can hit decently as well, while being able sponge attacks. It can't hit hard enough without CM or Charge Beam from my experience though.
-There has been an increase of Sun teams, and from my experience, they aren't doing too well, though it might be the fact that the people on Shoddy right now don't seem as good. Maybe they will be better when people get more experience with Cress?
-Pory-Z tears rips huge holes in teams. It sweeps slower teams with ease and doesn't fear much, especially when it is bulkier than Yanmega, who Pory feels like.
-Pory-Z, I feel is as broken, if not more broken that Yanmega. Yanmega had to fear SR as well as priority and wasn't nearly as bulky. Pory only has to fear priority and can easily shave off any damage done to it with Recover.
-Also, I have noticed much more sand teams than usual.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Porygon Z is really ripping apart the slower UU metagame.

Nasty Plot coupled with Life Orb makes him extremely deadly, while it also has Sharpen to boost a Return which can easily KO Blissey.

-Terywj

 

[SilentVerse]

Porygon Z is really ripping apart the slower UU metagame.

Nasty Plot coupled with Life Orb makes him extremely deadly, while it also has Sharpen to boost a Return which can easily KO Blissey.

-Terywj

IMO, I believe that Pory should be banned before Cress is. It's like a Yanmega, except without a bunch of massive weaknesses and better typing + Recover, which make it much more bulky, giving it time to set up.

Also, since when was Blissey in UU?

 

[UltiMario]

I suck at UU, so anyone feel like testing my theorymoning here for me?

You can Sub as they switch out, then attack accordingly to do optimal damage. SubNP with Leftovers is a possiblity, since at +2 Life Orb doesn't matter, and the leftovers recovery would make it live long enough to take care of business.
Probably Sub/NP/Tri Attack/Ice Beam for optimal coverage.

You've got to think on how you could make Porygon-Z force things out, then not get killed. LO Sub-Z w/ 3 attacks might work if Technitop is too much of a hassle, probably going Adaptability so Tri-Attack hits as hard as possible.

 

[Oracle]

sharpen/last resort porygon z is the best set around.

 

[kirbyraeg]

sharpen/last resort porygon z is the best set around.

why hasn't anyone else thought of this

while we're on the subject of impractical but cool sets, how about belly drum/last resort ursaring in trick room behind dual screens with lefties. or facade with guts+toxic orb.

actually let's just say that ursaring is one of the most awesome pokemon ever.

 

[SilentVerse]

I suck at UU, so anyone feel like testing my theorymoning here for me?

This set looks alright, just looking at it, but it looks like you're gonna get walled by Registeel to no end. However I don't know what else you could get rid of for more coverage since all the moves look good on that set. Maybe Thunderbolt over Ice Beam?

 

[supermarth64]

It already says in the analysis that Tri Attack + HP Water gives best coverage.

If you use Thunderbolt over Ice Beam then you get walled by Steelix. Just use HP Water.

 

[xLeafybug =D]

It already says in the analysis that Tri Attack + HP Water gives best coverage.

If you use Thunderbolt over Ice Beam then you get walled by Steelix. Just use HP Water.

This. Water + Normal is the best offensive combo in the entire game. Shedinja is the only thing that can stop you in UU.

 

[Underload]

Wow, I remember the days where Cresselia was sometimes preferred over Blissey in OU. I wonder WHY his usage dropped. Then again, those were also the days when Donphan was apparently one of the best Pokemon in OU :/

I think I'm finally starting to get a grip on competitive battling. I've tried OU, but that seems... over-centralized at times. I'm a huge fan of how UU works, though. I might try bolstering my team with P-Z / Cress. Cress might be a better choice than Chansey, actually. Anyone have an opinion on the matter?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Cresselia is better than Chansey because she can take hits from both kinds of sweeprs. XD Except like Absol / Houndoom.

Glad you've become a UU fan, UnderLoad.

-Terywj

 

[kirbyraeg]

Didn't you say you were going to try to set up a UU challenge board, terywj?

if you did, i'd definitely join that

granted, I'm not experienced in UU (or pokemon in general, actually), but I'd like to try it anyways!

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I was, but there have been only like 6 people who said they would join / be interested in joining...

We should get at least 10 people before I start one.

-Terywj

 

[supermarth64]

I'd join. Unfortunately, the'd be no Honchkrow for me to abuse.

 

[xLeafybug =D]

I'm not touching UU until that ******* Porygon-Z is gone.

 

[Circa]

I'm not touching UU until that ******* Porygon-Z is gone.

Put something like Choice Band Hitmonlee on your team. He needs more rep anyway. Such a beast. <.<

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Put something like Choice Band Hitmonlee on your team. He needs more rep anyway. Such a beast. <.<

With Gallade gone Hitmonless has the strongest Close Combat in the tier.

-Terywj

 

[Wave⁂]

...and Mach Punch. Though Hitmontop probably does that better.

 

[supermarth64]

Put something like Choice Band Hitmonlee on your team. He needs more rep anyway. Such a beast. <.<

Gets outsped by Porygon-Z anyway. You should probably use Hitmontop anyway because Froslass is better than ever.

 

[kirbyraeg]

there's no real reason to use hitmonlee without a choice scarf unless you really NEED the extra speed and don't want to use something like hariyama or blaziken (both of which are arguably better).

 

[xLeafybug =D]

I really think they should have at least kept Honchkrow and Gallade for a bit to test them out with Cress and Pory-Z.

 

[Circa]

Gets outsped by Porygon-Z anyway. You should probably use Hitmontop anyway because Froslass is better than ever.

I do kinda agree with this. :\ It's one of the only reasons why I would take Hitmontop over Hitmonlee. Lee's lack of Pursuit is a huge hindrance to it, and if you run Jolly over Adamant you don't get the ability to land a guaranteed OHKO on Porygon-Z after SR either. Hitmonlee is still a beast nonetheless, although it does have its weaknesses and shortcomings. :\

there's no real reason to use hitmonlee without a choice scarf unless you really NEED the extra speed and don't want to use something like hariyama or blaziken (both of which are arguably better).

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this (you kinda contradicted yourself with saying there's no real reason to use a Choice Scarf if you really need the extra speed...), but the reason for using Banded Hitmonlee as opposed to some of the other Fighting types in UU is simple: Power (and to some extent pressure). As Terywj said, now that Gallade is gone Hitmonlee has the strongest Close Combat in UU. And this forces a lot of people to switch out their current Pokemon when they see Hitmonlee, as they're expecting something on their team to die if they don't.

Holy **** I just got an idea. I might have to do some testing...

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Writer got an idea!

But yeah if you're dealing with Porygon Z you might as well leave it to Hitmontop.

-Terywj

 

[Wave⁂]

What's a good Hitmontop counter that isn't part Flying-type?

 

[UltiMario]

Just to point out, if played properly, Sub-Z > Hitmontop. Same could be said for a predicted switch, while more risky, it still works.

Download boosted LO Porygon-Z Tri attack vs Technitop

607 Atk vs 256 Def & 304 HP (80 Base Power): 265 - 313 (87.17% - 102.96%)

59% chance of OHKO w/ SR, 100% chance to OHKO with SR and 1 round of LO recoil, and 75% chance to OHKO with just LO recoil.

Alternatively, with an Adaptability boost,

405 Atk vs 256 Def & 304 HP (80 Base Power): 238 - 280 (78.29% - 92.11%)

48% chance to OHKO with SR and 1 round of LO recoil.

Either predicting the switch, or using Sub-Z, could you achieve these.

Hitmontop CAN be beaten by P-Z with some luck, or good prediction, and can definately be beaten if you got SR out, and it has an LO lol.

 

[xLeafybug =D]

Spiritomb can deal with Hitmontop fairly easily, what with being immune to Close Combat/Mach Punch, and resistant to Pursuit.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Hitmontop with Foresight is always surprising, though.

-Terywj