The Ultimate Smash Bros. 4 Character Analysis Topic. (Retro Characters Analysis Is Up!)

[God Robert's Cousin]

Other Star Fox characters:
These are Kirby characters that are unlikely for a playable spot for Smash Bros. 4, but have some support for playable status among the Smash Bros. fanbase.

As much as it would explain a lot, I don't think Slippy is a Kirby character. Might want to fix that.

Excellent analysis, as always.

 

[Jumpman84]

Well, now that Cranky Kong has officially been confirmed for Tropical Freeze, perhaps he should be moved to the contenders section? Granted, his likelihood is going to be less than Dixie or K. Rool, but his playable status gives him a significant boost, plus his unique playstyle. At the very least, he's more prominent now than the rest of the Rare DK Krew.

 

[ChronoBound]

As much as it would explain a lot, I don't think Slippy is a Kirby character. Might want to fix that.

Excellent analysis, as always.

Its always the most obvious and "stupidest" typos that tend to be the ones that are overlooked.

Well, now that Cranky Kong has officially been confirmed for Tropical Freeze, perhaps he should be moved to the contenders section? Granted, his likelihood is going to be less than Dixie or K. Rool, but his playable status gives him a significant boost, plus his unique playstyle. At the very least, he's more prominent now than the rest of the Rare DK Krew.

I think its possible Cranky could be Assist Trophy material, but he is definitely no newcomer contender. I might have to do a separate non-contender analysis for Cranky in the future.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

What series are you going to do next?

 

[Deleted member]

Dunno if it was stated before, but when I see the Mother's Other Characters list, I honestly think it lacks Giygas (Mother 1 form, with the Mother 2's one which may be a Final Smash).

Man. It is the third time I ask this question.

Is it because my avatar is Tomoko from WataMote that ChronoBound still ignore me ?

EDIT : Yes, it is in fact a question, even if it not looks like one (Why Giygas is not at least on the Mother's contenders list).

 

[Guybrush20X6]

One quick error check, you say there's 17 characters confirmed when there's 18 listed.

 

[ChronoBound]

EDIT : Yes, it is in fact a question, even if it not looks like one (Why Giygas is not at least on the Mother's contenders list).

Sorry, your question got buried at the bottom of the last page.

I will post a non-contender analysis for him when I have the time. However, even in Mother 1, he had a rather noodle-like form (and it seemed as though he was in a water tank of some sort). He does not really seem to have the form to become playable. Giygas from Mother 2/EarthBound does not even have a body.

While its possible a trophy could be based off Giygas from Mother 1, looking at how:
1. In Melee, all Mother trophies were based off of either artwork or ingame content.
2. In Brawl, all Mother trophies were based off of ingame content.

It does not seem like there will be a trophy of Giygas in Smash 4. As for the sticker side of things, there was never official artwork made for Giygas in Mother 1 or Mother 2. While the stickers for Mother 3, consisted of sprite rips, due to the age of Mother 1, I don't think a sprite rip sticker for Giygas will happen.

I am generally expecting another Mother ally to become a new Assist Trophy in Smash 4 (I am guessing on Kumatora assuming Lucas comes back).

 

[Tepig2000]

You need to edit Rosalina's analysis. She is confirmed.

 

[ChronoBound]

You need to edit Rosalina's analysis. She is confirmed.

I am going to get to it later this week.

Rosalina fans should be really happy, especially considering how contentious the competition was for a Mario newcomer spot.

The Mario series analysis in general needs to be overhauled in light of this. The only three Mario characters that will remain contenders are Paper Mario, Dr. Mario, and possibly Bowser Jr. For Doc and Bowser Jr, the possibility for them to be included as last minute clones is their life rafts.

 

[Tepig2000]

I am going to get to it later this week.

Rosalina fans should be really happy, especially considering how contentious the competition was for a Mario newcomer spot.

The Mario series analysis in general needs to be overhauled in light of this. The only three Mario characters that will remain contenders are Paper Mario, Dr. Mario, and possibly Bowser Jr. For Doc and Bowser Jr, the possibility for them to be included as last minute clones is their life rafts.

I am really happy that Rosalina is playable, yet really sad that Toad is deconfirmed. (Not officially, but we all know he is not going to be playable)

 

[Xigger]

You need to edit Rosalina's analysis. She is confirmed.

Does it? These are ANALYSIS after all: it's not as if her confirmation changes our past perception of Rosalina's chances. We believed Paper Mario or Bower Jr. were more likely, somehow. I never get how the Smash fanbase thinks...

 

[Starbound]

Yes Xigger. But Rosalina's confirmation has an effect on the chances of the other characters. So it's not so much that Rosalina's analysis needs updating, but that the other Mario analysis needs updating because of Rosalina.

 

[Dark.Pch]

I believe Daisy would be put in the game. Daisy was out way before Rosalina. And has been in a like of the Mario sports games. Now that she is in smash 4, I see no excuse why daisy would not be in. I believe Daisy should have been added before her.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I believe Daisy would be put in the game. Daisy was out way before Rosalina. And has been in a like of the Mario sports games. Now that she is in smash 4, I see no excuse why daisy would not be in. I believe Daisy should have been added before her.

Daisy will most likely be an alt for Peach again.

While she has seniority over Rosalina (almost all Mario newcomer options did), she lacks an interesting playstyle like Rosalina. Really, what would Daisy really do outside of Peach things with flowers?

 

[Dark.Pch]

Be more of a brutal fighter. It would not be hard to do that. If they did this with mario/luigi, then they can do it with these 2 girls.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Be more of a brutal fighter. It would not be hard to do that. If they did this with mario/luigi, then they can do it with these 2 girls.

Brutal, how?

We need more to work with than that.

Gimme moveset ideas. Give me how she would move, her stats! How would Daisy work?

 

[Dark.Pch]

*if you see more than one action for one attack, its cause I have more than one Idea for it.

Ground attacks-
Jab- Punch

Jab 2- Kick with one leg

Jab 3- Kick with the other leg (this kick I might make it be able to combo from it. So it might back the opponent go Up and away or behind, idk yet)

Dash attack- Daisy Slides on her chest baseball style and hits the opponent.

Dtilt- Dasiy Holds her hands back on the floor and kicks opponent with both of her legs. (2 kicks)

Ftilt- Kicks her opponent.

UpTilt- Summersualt Kick
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Smash attacks
Fsmash:
I'm thinking of making her Just have a baseball bat From Mario baseball sand swing that. There would also be a sweet spot for more damage.

Dsmash:
Daisy Neels Down and kinda does a Dsmash similar to Mario's.
Daisy Neels Down and Swings her first in front of her, then swings the other behind her.

Upsmash:
Punches upward
Round house kick upward.

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Air attacks
Dair:
Daisy jumps and Does 2 kicks. 1 From each leg. I am not sure but I might wanna make her second kick be a spike. But needs to be timed correctly Like Marths spike. Not gonna give her a cheap and easy Spike. Gotta work for it. But It will still Spike.

Fair:
Round house kick.

Bair:
Daisy Swings her hand back to hit enemy
Option 2- Does a Bair similar to Snakes.

Nair:
Daisy spins in the air Kicking
She spins around swinging her baseball bat.

Uair:
Summersualt
Option 2- She goes does an uppercut to hit her enemy.

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Special Moves
Side B- Daisy tosses daisies an the enemy that explode on contact.
-Daisy Tosses daisies at the enemy and can be recatched.
-In super Mario Land. Mario had fireballs that bounced off walls. So I might make Daisy shoot a floor in the angle that Mario shot his Fireballs.

B- Daisy swings her bat to launch her enemy. (It will be chargeable and can cancel the charge with shielding.)

Up-B- Daisy Grabs a Rose or a rose cloud That lifts her up. You can cancel the animation at any time and drop. But you can't up-B again if you touch the floor. But from the drop, You can do air attacks or Dodge while you are airborne.
- Dasiy will toss a dasiy downward and a cloud that Latiku's ride on will from under her and she will be able to control the move around it for a short time. Can cancel at any time and rules still apply for the first option. If the enemy is near you when you do it, they can receive damage from the smoke.

Down B- From Mario Kart Double dash (expect with Daisys), A daisy will form around her And if you was to attack it, You would receive about the same damage the attack was.
- Daisies would Form around her and explode if she was to get hit with an attack. Covers her whole body. Based Damage no matter how strong the attack was.


Grabs-
Pummel:
Daisy grabs foe with one hand and attacks them by slapping them hard with the other hand Daisy headbutts you
Daisy Grabs you and Knees you in the chest.

Back throw:
Grabs you, bends back and slams you to the floor

Fthrow:
Turns you around and kicks you

Upthrow:
She would ether uppercut you or Kick you upward.

Dthrow:
Picks up enemy with Both hands and throws them to the floor
Trip them and stomp on them once.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I don't think Daisy will be in, aside from an alternate costume for Peach. She just doesn't have that kind of importance, at least Rosalina is raising in importance

 

[iam8bit]

I think Rosalina gaining importance could end up being a good thing for Daisy. If Rosalina keeps her popularity, they may later throw a bone to Daisy and make her playable in Mario games too, and maybe differentiate her further from Peach.

 

[Gene]

The only thing I disagree about the Star Fox Analysis was that you said Krystal has no competition this time around. The only other character that can be considered competing for a spot would be Slippy.

Slippy has been a part of the Star Fox series since the first installment on the Super Nintendo. He has made an appearance in every game to the series. His role on the team is as the mechanic and technical expert. Slippy has some notoriety among Star Fox fans due to him being “annoying” (which is usually derived from complaints about his voice, and in 64 often asking for help for Fox to shoot an enemy that is chasing him). Slippy made an appearance in Melee as a trophy and as part of the special taunt conversations that Fox/Falco could have on Corneria and Venom. Slippy again returned in Brawl as a trophy, and as a part of the special taunt conversations that Fox/Falco/Wolf could have on Lylat Cruise, and the special taunt conversations that Fox/Falco could have on Corneria. There was also two stickers of Slippy in Brawl. Slippy will likely reprise his role as a trophy and sticker in Smash 4, and will likely return for the special taunt conversations that the playable Star Fox characters have on the Star Fox stages. Due to the small amount of interest there has always been for Slippy to become playable, he probably will never make the jump (or hop) to playable status.

Krystal was also in codec conversations in Brawl. She can also end up returning to fill the same role with Slippy. Sure she has a much louder and aggressive fan base, but it doesn't lessen Slippy's chances as far as being qualified. He can use a variety of weapons from the series that he made for the team, also using a screwdriver and wrench (for tilts, jabs, smashes, aerials) that he holds from the SF Assault and Adventures artwork. Krystal could use Assault weapons as filler in her move set but it makes more sense to have Slippy be the type of Zoning Character archetype (Ammo User), with his charm added in respectively. I just believe that this character gets completely overshadowed because of his quirkiness/silliness, his voice, and appearance in the series while none of that should matter when it comes to adding a character.

 

[Kon]

I'm pretty sure we will get two Donkey Kong series newcomer. Why? Well, DKCR was released after Brawl, so Nintendo couldn't know DKCR would sell that well: (DKCR has more sold copies than DKC2 & DKC3, only DKC having sold even more copies than DKCR)
Beside that, the franchise has many titles to look at: 11 games of the main series and another 13 spinoff-games. This makes a bunch of games, doesn't it? The series is relevant and with the last game being that well received, there is no way they won't add another DK character. I also guess they will add a character to later on push DKC:TF a bit more as DKC:TF will already be out before SSB4 and therefore SSb4 can get people interested again later on in the game.
5 characters would be like Christmas for me(Donkey Kong, Diddy, Dixie, Cranky, K.Rool), but I'll stay realistic. We can get 4 characters, 2 veterans and 2 newcomers and that's it at least for this time.

However I hope you will edit your analysis again on the DK series because of the new facts related to DKC:TF as this increases the chances of Cranky. We can consider that Retrostudios shared the information on the playable characters with Nintendo and on that way Sakurai could already know that Cranky will be more important than he was in DKCR.

Still, I like your analysis on every series so far. I'm also interested in reading your analysis on the new series as I would really like to know your opinion on the topic of new series.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Needs more analysis.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Starfy should be removed from the contender list seeing as he's an Assist Trophy again.

 

[Aurora Jenny]

Hey Chronobound, what's happening in your neck of the woods? With both Rosalina, Zelda, and Starfy shown as various roles... You're gonna fall behind!

 

[ChronoBound]

Hey Chronobound, what's happening in your neck of the woods? With both Rosalina, Zelda, and Starfy shown as various roles... You're gonna fall behind!

Been very busy. Its the holidays afterall.

 

[Aurora Jenny]

Very true, my friend. Very true! Definitely want your thoughts on that Zelda & Phantom picture too.

 

[Jumpman84]

Hey, ChronoBound. I know you're probably pretty busy with the holidays and the revamping of the Mario analysis. But I was wondering your thoughts on something in relation. Particularly, the recent release of Dr. Luigi and its effect on Dr. Mario's chances.

On one hand, the series is now once again relevant and a character reveal could advertise it. Plus, the Operation L pills open up new move possibilities. On the other hand, the game stars Dr. Luigi, not Dr. Mario. As far as I know (haven't bought the game yet), the doc doesn't appear in the game, making his last appearance in 2009. This could cause Sakurai to go with Dr. Luigi instead.

What do you think about this? Does Dr. Mario's seniority give him the edge? Should Dr. Luigi be added to contenders as a last minute clone of Luigi? Or would Dr. Luigi inherit Dr. Mario's properties and considered a spiritual successor? Which in turn makes it a "Doctor" slot?

Sorry for the questions, but your insight is pretty good on these matters. If you have already addressed this or plan to address this in your revamped Mario analysis, then I'll wait patiently. Otherwise, your thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks.

 

[Pacack]

Hey, ChronoBound. I know you're probably pretty busy with the holidays and the revamping of the Mario analysis. But I was wondering your thoughts on something in relation. Particularly, the recent release of Dr. Luigi and its effect on Dr. Mario's chances.

On one hand, the series is now once again relevant and a character reveal could advertise it. Plus, the Operation L pills open up new move possibilities. On the other hand, the game stars Dr. Luigi, not Dr. Mario. As far as I know (haven't bought the game yet), the doc doesn't appear in the game, making his last appearance in 2009. This could cause Sakurai to go with Dr. Luigi instead.

What do you think about this? Does Dr. Mario's seniority give him the edge? Should Dr. Luigi be added to contenders as a last minute clone of Luigi? Or would Dr. Luigi inherit Dr. Mario's properties and considered a spiritual successor? Which in turn makes it a "Doctor" slot?

Sorry for the questions, but your insight is pretty good on these matters. If you have already addressed this or plan to address this in your revamped Mario analysis, then I'll wait patiently. Otherwise, your thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks.

Wait, when did this happen?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Wait, when did this happen?

A while ago.

Dr. Luigi was in the direct where Rosalina was revealed.

It should be out now.

 

[Pacack]

A while ago.

Dr. Luigi was in the direct where Rosalina was revealed.

It should be out now.

Ah, I see. My headphones are broken, so I'm kinda deaf as far as the internet's concerned. Have been for awhile. Should be getting headphones relatively soon, though.

Thanks for catching me up.

 

[Jumpman84]

Wait, when did this happen?

It came out on New Years Eve. It's a Wii U eShop title and developed by the same studio who did Dr. Mario Online Rx. It features a new Operation L mode where you use L-shaped pills to combat viruses. It also features the Virus Buster that debuted in Brain Age 2 as well as Retro Remedy, which is classic Dr. Mario gameplay. I would highly recommend it.

 

[Aurora Jenny]

Hey, why was this unstickied?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Possibly because Chrono hasn't updated it in a LOOOONG time.

 

[Jumpman84]

Hopefully, it'll get restickied once the revamped Mario analysis gets posted.

 

[ChronoBound]

Hey, why was this unstickied?

I doubt its going to get re-stickied, unfortunately. I have gone longer stretches without updating, and it was not non-stickied before that.

Really, keep in mind that many of us have lives and families outside of this forum, and as such we can't spend what much of what little free time we have on a video game forum.

I am going to try and get a regular stream of analyses up again. Hopefully, I can talk to a mod to get it pinned again.

I am going to have an updated Mario analysis as well as updates to character confirmations later this week. Zelda series analysis will also be updated. The Kirby series too might also be updated later this week.

 

[Aurora Jenny]

Ah, okay, I wasn't complaining, just curious. I do enjoy these things.

 

[ChronoBound]

Ignore this.

 

[PSIguy89]

Chrono! first off amazing work on this thread! you are one of the best members of this site I have come across! such a wealth of information! as such I remember you were always the goto guy for sales numbers and ive been curious as of late....have you any idea roughly how many times earthbound has been downloaded since rerelease?

 

[ChronoBound]

Okay, I made edits to the following analyses:
- Mario
- DK
- Zelda
- Kirby
- Newcomer/Veteran Confirmations

I also added a de-confirmation section to the last analysis.

Above all, I would like to thank those who still chose to follow this topic, after this period of inactivity. I am deeply and extremely appreciative of every bit of accolades I get for this. I am not as active as I used to be in regards to speculation, so I am utterly thankful to those who managed to be patient.

On a sidenote, I just ask if there is any way I can edit the topic title. I want to let people know that a whole bunch of edits have been done.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Your efforts are appreciated.

Are you going to do another franchise analysis anytime soon?