The Ultimate Smash Bros. 4 Character Analysis Topic. (Retro Characters Analysis Is Up!)

[Pacack]

Personally, I'd say that the male Wii Fit Trainer boosted Robin's chances considerably. I'm even thinking of adding him/her to my roster prediction.

 

[ChronoBound]

Sorry for the very long wait everyone. This time its the Mother series that I posted. Despite being a relatively simple series to talk about, the analysis was still almost around 2,000 words.

I do hope that despite it not being a series that is contentious in terms of discussion that you will enjoy reading it as much as my previous series analyses.

I hope to get a few more series analyses posted within the coming weeks.

I still need to get around to editing the analyses for Toad and Ridley (as well as the Newcomer/Veteran franchise analysis). Hopefully, I will get around to at least editing the Newcomer/Veteran Confirmation Analysis section some time later today or tomorrow.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Another good analysis as usual Chrono.

Eagerly awaiting the next one.

I expect it in January!

 

[Rasumii]

Great analysis!

I just hope you're wrong on Porky, and that he is a playable character. I would absolutely love that, as I am a Porky fan-boy.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Good analysis, as usual.

 

[FalKoopa]

That was a nice update, as usual.

Looking back, Mother did get a ton of content in Brawl, haha.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Personally I would add Mallo from Pushmo and Crashmo to your list of contenders.

People may underestimate him because of his pacifist nature but as we've seen that's not grounds to exclude him. Also Mallo is, from what I can see....the face (at least original face) of the Nintendo eShop and best represents what is good about new Nintendo IPs on the eShop.

 

[Alban712]

Later, when u have time, could u also talk about which characters have the best chance of being bosses or assisties in each universe? When you were talking about the Mother Series you tried to guess some characters that have a chance to appear as assist trophies (like kumatora). I think would be cool to talk about it within other series as well

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Later, when u have time, could u also talk about which characters have the best chance of being bosses or assisties in each universe? When you were talking about the Mother Series you tried to guess some characters that have a chance to appear as assist trophies (like kumatora). I think would be cool to talk about it within other series as well

One analysis at a time...

 

[CardiganBoy]

Sorry for the very long wait everyone. This time its the Mother series that I posted. Despite being a relatively simple series to talk about, the analysis was still almost around 2,000 words.

I do hope that despite it not being a series that is contentious in terms of discussion that you will enjoy reading it as much as my previous series analyses.

I hope to get a few more series analyses posted within the coming weeks.

I still need to get around to editing the analyses for Toad and Ridley (as well as the Newcomer/Veteran franchise analysis). Hopefully, I will get around to at least editing the Newcomer/Veteran Confirmation Analysis section some time later today or tomorrow.

Hey Chrono, great analysis on Mother/Earthbound series, but theres a detail, you mention the series running time as 16-17 years but is actually 24 years old, with first game (Mother) released in 1989.
But overall great analysis.

 

[ChronoBound]

Hey Chrono, great analysis on Mother/Earthbound series, but theres a detail, you mention the series running time as 16-17 years but is actually 24 years old, with first game (Mother) released in 1989.
But overall great analysis.

I was talking about the time frame from its first installment (1989) to its last (2006).

 

[iam8bit]

Awesome analysis, really well made.

Kudos on an excellent thread.

 

[ChronoBound]

I am going to have another series analysis ready next week.

Also, sorry for not editting the character confirmations analysis with updates for Peach, Toon Link, Sonic, and now Marth.

I want to have several more analyses finished before the New Year.

The only series analyses that you should not expect for this year are:
- Pokemon
- Fire Emblem
- New series
- Retro

Stuff like Star Fox, F-Zero, Wario, Kid Icarus, Pikmin, and Third-Party may all be posted this year.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I am going to have another series analysis ready next week.

Also, sorry for not editting the character confirmations analysis with updates for Peach, Toon Link, Sonic, and now Marth.

I want to have several more analyses finished before the New Year.

The only series analyses that you should not expect for this year are:
- Pokemon
- Fire Emblem
- New series
- Retro

Stuff like Star Fox, F-Zero, Wario, Kid Icarus, Pikmin, and Third-Party may all be posted this year.

Aww, but Fire Emblem is an interesting topic to discuss. Still, it's cool that there is going to be another analysis next week.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

You know you need to move marth to confirmed characters

 

[ChronoBound]

Okay, I finally followed through on the edits I wanted to do.

The edits I made were:
- Toad's analysis
- Ridley's analysis
- The Newcomer/Veteran Confirmation Analysis (added entries regarding Peach, Toon Link, Sonic, and Marth).

I still plan to post a new series analysis later this week.

 

[Pacack]

I like your edits, though the font is not consistent, so you might want to look into that.

Also, I have a question:

When it comes to retro/historical characters, do you see Daitoryo as a non-condender, or have you simply not considered him?

Also, should the "retro" category be split up into "Retro" and "historical" or "hardware" characters? Retros being like Ice Climbers or Pit and "historical" or "hardware" characters being like Mr. Game and Watch and R.O.B.? I think it's pretty clear that there's some sort of distinction, myself, but it's not entirely clear whether the second group is meant to be the "historical" characters or the "hardware" characters (although I certainly find historical to be more reasonable, myself). Do you have the same point of view, or...?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Excellent points as always.

Though I do have one question.

- Ridley's analysis

Do you really think it's 50/50?

I mean we haven't seen hide nor hair of Ridley and it doesn't make sense to keep a stage hazard hidden for so long. Unless Sakurai knows Ridley is THAT demanded and is playing some kind of super troll trick (which isn't in his character actually), it doesn't make sense.

 

[ChronoBound]

Do you really think it's 50/50?

I mean we haven't seen hide nor hair of Ridley and it doesn't make sense to keep a stage hazard hidden for so long. Unless Sakurai knows Ridley is THAT demanded and is playing some kind of super troll trick (which isn't in his character actually), it doesn't make sense.

The comment when the Pyrosphere was unveiled was definitely referencing Ridley. The the hole in the background feasibly provides a route from where Ridley can enter and leave.

When we actually get to play with this stage is when we can definitively write off this whole Pyrosphere thing. Unfortunately, that may be all the way until June 2014 (E3 2014), when people can finally play a demo that has the Pyrosphere.

Sakurai in general is a bit more unpredictable this time around.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

All it really hinges on is whether he refers to Ridley as a stage hazard or not. Ridley nearly always strikes from nowhere, he does so too in Other M, which is where the "an enemy from Samus' past may appear at any second" comes from. I believe that if Ridley was a stage hazard, he'd have been shown by now, Pyrosphere is after all the stage which has been shown probably the second or third most, only definitely having been shown less than Battlefield.

 

[Pacack]

Rosalina might have just become a lot more likely. She's the unlockable 5th playable character in SM3DW. Does this change your prediction at all?

 

[ChronoBound]

Rosalina might have just become a lot more likely. She's the unlockable 5th playable character in SM3DW. Does this change your prediction at all?

At best she is Peach clone material. Not sure right now whether she gets boosted up to contender status. One thing is for certain though, I do think she has better credentials to be the fifth Mario character than Waluigi or Geno now.

I might boost her up to contender. I need to look more into this playable Rosalina though. However, I imagine if she gets in she will be a luigi-fied Peach clone, though I have not seen or heard what Rosalina is like in 3D World.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I'd think that Toad has a bigger chance than Rosalina still, considering Rosalina is probably unlockable material (as Reggie warned of) and isn't being used for advertising. So yeah, as always she's still under the boot of Bowser Jr, Paper Mario and Toad.

 

[stan423321]

Sakurai in general is a bit more unpredictable this time around.

I'd really like to see some elaborating on that sentence, because I don't see it yet. Is that because we assume he has greater creative control, or you genuinely find his known decisions to be visibly less obvious than in case of previous titles, or is that a change of environment due to obvious stuff being already done, or something completely different?

 

[ChronoBound]

I'd really like to see some elaborating on that sentence, because I don't see it yet. Is that because we assume he has greater creative control, or you genuinely find his known decisions to be visibly less obvious than in case of previous titles, or is that a change of environment due to obvious stuff being already done, or something completely different?

A lot of "patterns" end up being broken this time around (one example being characters that have been traditionally hidden such as Luigi, "child" Link, and Marth were revealed a long while before the game's release). Even the new patterns that have been established (veteran confirmations that coincide with new releases or anniversaries) was smashed with Marth's confirmation.

 

[Pacack]

At best she is Peach clone material. Not sure right now whether she gets boosted up to contender status. One thing is for certain though, I do think she has better credentials to be the fifth Mario character than Waluigi or Geno now.

I might boost her up to contender. I need to look more into this playable Rosalina though. However, I imagine if she gets in she will be a luigi-fied Peach clone, though I have not seen or heard what Rosalina is like in 3D World.

I think she's a contender now simply because she could be something of a Peach clone...even if it doesn't make a lot of sense (See Captain Ganondorf).

I'd think that Toad has a bigger chance than Rosalina still, considering Rosalina is probably unlockable material (as Reggie warned of) and isn't being used for advertising. So yeah, as always she's still under the boot of Bowser Jr, Paper Mario and Toad.

I agree 100%

 

[Pazzo.]

I think she's a contender now simply because she could be something of a Peach clone...even if it doesn't make a lot of sense (See Captain Ganondorf).


I agree 100%

But she'll have to get past a TON of others... Bowser Jr., Toad, Blooper

 

[Pacack]

But she'll have to get past a TON of others... Bowser Jr., Toad, Blooper

To be fair, two thirds of that is correct.

 

[Alban712]

Rosalina has potential to be not even tied to Peach in any way. Calling her a possible Peach clone doesn't make sense

 

[Toxicroaker]

I think E. Gadd and Giygas diserve a spot in the "other" category

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I think E. Gadd and Giygas diserve a spot in the "other" category

Personally I feel E. Gadd would be better suited to Mario kart than smash Bros. Also I think Earthbound will be lucky if it doesn't lose a rep...let alone gain one.

 

[ChronoBound]

I just posted the Pikmin series analysis. As I mentioned in the analysis, there is really not much to say about this series. It was definitely my shortest analysis, only being around 800 words. Still, its another franchise analysis that is completed, and I hope that some people will like reading it.

To make up for it being a rather boring series to discuss, I posted a non-contender analysis for Nabbit under the Mario series analysis. More importantly, I promoted Rosalina from non-contender to contender in the Mario series, and gave her a contender-level analysis (her original analysis was only a paragraph long).

I hope the combination of these three things at least makes this a worthwhile update.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Thanks. Your effort is appreciated.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Another fun essay!

Keep up the good work Chrono! :D

 

[Jumpman84]

I think all your essays so far have been excellent so far, ChronoBound.

One question, though. The recent Nintendo Direct showed off some upcoming DLC for Pikmin 3, featuring Louie as an object to find and second controllable character. Do you think his recent reappearance could give him an edge over the Pikmin 3 protagonist should Pikmin even get a second character? Or at the very least give him a role such as an Assist Trophy?

 

[SmashChu]

The main advantage that Ghirahim has relative to other possible Zelda newcomer choices is that he is from the most recent Zelda title and he has a notable amount of requests. Unlike pre-Brawl, Ghirahim is the only potential Zelda newcomer with a notable amount of requests. However, Midna too had all of those things (aside from a lack of competition), and that was not enough to get her in.

That's not exactly true. Midna had lots of other characters she had to deal with. Vatti and Skull Kid were still popular picks as well. Even then, these guys where never as strong as many of the other characters (olimar, Dedede, Diddy ect). The big difference for Zelda from Brawl and now is that Zelda is focused on Ghirahim rather than split up its limited interest among three or more characters.

 

[Autumn ♫]

That's not exactly true. Midna had lots of other characters she had to deal with. Vatti and Skull Kid were still popular picks as well. Even then, these guys where never as strong as many of the other characters (olimar, Dedede, Diddy ect). The big difference for Zelda from Brawl and now is that Zelda is focused on Ghirahim rather than split up its limited interest among three or more characters.

It doesn't seem to be very focused on Ghirihim, seeing how he's not in A link between Worlds

 

[SmashChu]

It doesn't seem to be very focused on Ghirihim, seeing how he's not in A link between Worlds

You don't understand, though I will forgive you for being a fan of the late and great Scatman John.

I mean the focus of fans. People have kind of moved onto Ghirahim. It helps to be recognized when more people are talking about you. Zelda fans mostly look towards Ghirahim.

 

[Autumn ♫]

You don't understand, though I will forgive you for being a fan of the late and great Scatman John.

I mean the focus of fans. People have kind of moved onto Ghirahim. It helps to be recognized when more people are talking about you. Zelda fans mostly look towards Ghirahim.

Oh, misunderstanding on my part, I thought you meant that the franchise as a whole was more focused on Ghrihim. Sorry about that.

 

[Kon]

Kid Icarus has only listed Palutena, however I really have to say I that I don't understand why you don't put Medusa also on the list. She's very important in the Kid Icarus franchise, even if she wasn't the main ennemy of Kid Icarus: Uprising. Speeking of Kid Icarus Uprising, Magnus and Hades are two other possible choices.

Especially Medusa can't be ignored as she is part of the franchise since the first game(where she was the main antagonist) and still had an important role in Kid Icarus: Uprising. That said, her importance to the franchise is clear enough. Also most people that know Kid Icarus, also know Medusa. So she's also really representative for the franchise. Her moveset could be based on moves of the classic Kid Icarus game as well as on Kid Icarus: Uprising. There are definitely enough options to create a moveset that fits in SSB4.

Spoiler

Hades as the main antagonist of Kid Icarus: Uprising is also important. As for now, we don't know yet if there were more Kid Icarus games to come in the future and we can't know yet if he will also be important for these games. Still Sakurai may know if he wants to use him again in another Kid Icarus game, there's a (small) possibility for him to be in. Yet, he would of course be less likely than Medusa or Palutena.

Magnus is also a character that is only relevant for one Kid Icarus game, the most recent one. Sakurai may know if he wants to use him again and could, same as for Hades, put him in because of that. Still, Magnus stays as a less likely character choice than Medusa or Palutena.

After all, I guess Magnus and Hades are the unlikely but still not impossible ones. Medusa however should be taken into account, because her relevance to the series is undeniable.