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The Truth About Lucario

iRJi

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The Truth About Lucario

Recently I have been working on the Lucario boards a lot more then I normally do. The people are inviting, and are encouraging any ideas possible to develop his metagame as much as possible. The only issue with that is there is currently not much to work with. The truth about Lucario, is that he is under developed.

After the recent tier list, it moved people to try hard to learn, and master Lucario as an amazing character. Before this recent movement, before this so called "Renaissance" As the Lucario's now put it, there was little information known about him and every sort of just "winged" how they played. There is no standard book on how to play Lucario, and there is no 100% certainty on his moveset. This character could take a lot of work to fully understand, but he just has not got the attention as other character has gotten. I am a personal believer of there being characters who are underrated, and Lucario is one of them.

After the tier list that was recently released, I have been getting the same **** from people saying, "He is just mid tier, he lacks options, yada yada yada. This however is coming from people who know little about Lucario. Let me say it like this, I am one of the most knowledgeable Lucario's that probably play this game as of right now, as I know almost every technique, Frame data, Trick, % on where he dies, ETC. I still have people tell me that he lacks options, but here is my question:

Do you know Lucario better then I do?

In most cases, you would say "No, I don't" So how the hell can you rate my character and say he lacks options. Frankly his current metagame is played by what is known, and as I said before There is not that much known about Lucario. So here is my simple request:

Anyone who has comments about Lucario as a character, negative things like he has no options, that he can't do this and that, save you air and don't speak about it, because now I am really getting tired of it. I know a lot about this game, and although I might not know everything like some others, I know my character well enough to say that most people who say that talk out of their ***'s.

I will demonstrate what my character can do and will not have anyone's ignorance affecting this from happening. When that time comes, and Lucario is truly relieved about his options, hit boxes, techniques, etc. THEN AND ONLY THEN should you be allowed to say something about it.

It's time for a change. TY from the Lucario boards support, and we will show everyone exactly what this character can do. Also Ty for reading, and hopefully you will understand my rage about people's comments.
 

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Its time for a change. TY from the Lucario boards support, and we will show everyone exactly what this character can do. Also Ty for reading, and hopefully you will understand my rage about people's comments.
Good read. I love the enthusiasm for your character.





One thing bugged me though (in red)

The word "its" is a possessive pronoun
The word "it's" means "it is"

Sorry about my little correction, it hurts me to see that mistake in a well written blog like yours. *hints at my avatar* :embarrass
 

iRJi

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I agrees with irji lucario does not ger enough credit.....
Well it is not just that. Its about how people judge a character who's game is under developed and they think they know the character down to the point where everything makes sense. it just irritates me when people do that.
 

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The first song that comes to my head that describes lucario's rise in metagame is "Faint".

"Time won't heal,
this damage anymore!
Don't turn your back on me, I WON'T BE IGNORED!"
lol @ emo band reference.
 

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I opened this thread hoping for some drama filled story about Lucario's dark secret or some ****.

Needless to say, I was disappointed. Ah well, it was still a good read. Nice to see you're dedicated to fried chicken Lucario.
 

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Well it is not just that. Its about how people judge a character who's game is under developed and they think they know the character down to the point where everything makes sense. it just irritates me when people do that.
yeah I know what your saying 100%

I'm just bad at explaining things so I try and stay quiet till I know what I'm doing I haven't been bothering the lucario boards with my spammyness like I used to if you haven't noticed.
 

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yeah I know what your saying 100%

I'm just bad at explaining things so I try and stay quiet till I know what I'm doing I haven't been bothering the lucario boards with my spammyness like I used to if you haven't noticed.
I've noticed. But feel free to post whenever you feel like. Or, maybe that's not a good idea.

A good deal of people there are vicious. :mad:
 

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The first song that comes to my head that describes lucario's rise in metagame is "Faint".

"Time won't heal,
this damage anymore!
Don't turn your back on me, I WON'T BE IGNORED!"
lol @ emo band reference.
I am a little bit of loneliness
A little bit of disregard... etc, etc.

:D
 

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Lucario is sexy, I like AS.
Also, his throws and Fair are too much.

Dair doesn't need mentioning.
 

iRJi

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In other words, he's seen your vids and he's not impressed.
If thats a comment to my vids, thats fine. All of that is about a month or 2 old, and shouldn't be compared to my gameplay now. If its to someone else's vids, then go head =D
 

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Hmmm

I think I know Lucario very well, especially with regarding his options and how limited he is. What I think the people who whinge about lucario are forgetting is that not every character in the game is Metaknight. the other 37 characters are almost as limited as him with a few exceptions like marth/DK (only applies while on-stage :p) People like to bring up how punishable he is by MKs dsmash, upb oos etc while forgetting that every single character in the game faces these same problems. I know what you mean with it being infuriating and such, hence why I rarely post there anymore. Im not going to argue vs people who have no basis for their arguments.

I hope your new ideas for the board kill off these mindsets forever. Its working well at the moment. just need a few more veterans (who actually play the game) to come back imo :)
 

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Hmmm

I think I know Lucario very well, especially with regarding his options and how limited he is. What I think the people who whinge about lucario are forgetting is that not every character in the game is Metaknight. the other 37 characters are almost as limited as him with a few exceptions like marth/DK (only applies while on-stage :p) People like to bring up how punishable he is by MKs dsmash, upb oos etc while forgetting that every single character in the game faces these same problems. I know what you mean with it being infuriating and such, hence why I rarely post there anymore. Im not going to argue vs people who have no basis for their arguments.

I hope your new ideas for the board kill off these mindsets forever. Its working well at the moment. just need a few more veterans (who actually play the game) to come back imo :)
Thanks =].

I really think Lucario is under developed. As of right now we know him well from what we have found out currently, but there is also another thing in our way: We have little information in general about him. We are still missing bits and pieces of frame data, we can do the punishment guide and unravel good options instead of guessing also. In future events I actually am going to try to get Frame data for his Lingering hitboxes, but of course that will be after the Punish Guide. I am working hard, and as you know DJ, I will not try to disappoint.
 

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while i was still playing Lucario i figured that i need to change my play style depending on whatever % he was at;

Let me put it this way; Depending on Lucario's % your play style should change to match how much damage hes got. This is very important to playing Lucario imho. So let me explain how i go about doing this.

0% - Lucario doesnt have much going for him right now. So the main focus would be to get some hits in and just...welp combo. Lucario can combo quite well between the air and ground.

25% - Here is where your probably going to get kills if you die earily on your first stock. If you die at 145% and your opponent still has 125% at this point dont rush in trying to KO him. Mentally you need to start over from 0% [which you'll truely be at]. And just focus on combos. Once you get above 25% and into 30% is when you can finally kill them. Fthrow, Fsmash, bair will usually get the job done at this % point. Dont forget, if you DO die earily and you will, you'll get a 1.2x boost from aura when you respawn on your second stock. Keep this in mind, when ever Lucario is at a stock disadvantage he gains more aura power OVER ALL. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND!!


50% - When I hit the 50% mark is when i start thinking about getting alittle more aggersive and in their face.

75% - I start thinking about killing earily. Around this time if you do get a grab, jab as much as you can to get rid of decay. Theres a reason hes got a fast pummel. Its due to how weak he can be earily %, multi hit can attacks can also help get rid of some decay. This is also important to keep in mind

100% - DI, DI, DI...i cant stress it enough. While you should be using Aura sphere throughout the match, it becomes even more powerful over 100%. It becomes a good long range killing tool at this point. Use it.

125% - DIing again oh so important here. Your slowly entering Lucario's max aura zone. Your smashes are also becoming alot more lethal.

150% - DI and tech as best you can if you get launched. Aura sphere looks really huge now. Dont forget to pummel alot if you get a grab. What keeps you alive at this point in the game is spacing and good shielding.

175% - You've already past the aura modifier limit. Again DI, survivablitiy is the name of the game. Spacing and proper shielding will keep Lucario in this damage zone.

200% - Again DI if you get launched, space and shield like a pro. Since your already at Lucario's limit its really all about survival at this point since any little thing hitting you can instantly kill you. Reset assured if you hit the 150% + zone and can stay there you'll be happy you did.

This is pretty much Lucario's central meta game is his aura power. He comes out of the gate looking like a weak comboing ZSS or Marth..but when he gets high % he really turns into a D3 with all the power he gets.
thats generally how i think about lucario meta game, which i believes revolves around the aura power

i honestly think its a toss up between;

How you play Lucario at different %
Spacing, Shielding, Zoning etc.
but most importantly your ability to survive at higher %. My record for living at high % on Lucario was at i think 226% with proper DI
 

iRJi

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he's limited lol, but the few options he does have are good ones.
I actually don't think he is limited at all, I just think that no one knows enough to judge him yet. I will give it time before i cast my opinion about him in that sense. I been playing for a while, im hella good at the game, and I still think he stand a chance against almost anyone, we all just need to see how we can do this.
 

iRJi

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Isn't this true for like 80% of the cast? ...

I also think there's quite a few characters that have plenty more to explore than Lucario. :p
That would not change the fact that he is still, under developed. All you really just said right there is that there are others who are the same. Doesn't change the fact of what I am saying, lol.
 

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I greatly agree with Lucario's limits. Considering that I play vs. RJ on a semi-daily basis, and I STILL learned new ways to play the character and new strategies at Genesis when I was fighting Lucario players there (including DSF's) I would say that Lucario has quite a way to go.
 

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To master Lucario, we must master the Aura...

Someone still hasn't tested that FP chaingrab I suggested. All I got is Wi-Fi, and no-one IRL good enough to DI...
 
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