The Thing - Game Concluded. What would have happened posted, mysteries tomorrow

[Mediocre]

I'm sorry, but I am not okay with you leaving, short of someone transforming into a thing right now. Splitting apart this group over something like that is irrational. Risking it with this large group, even though they might be Things, is probably safer than running off on your own.

I agree with that. I never wanted to leave, but I felt that I had no choice if people insisted upon EE's formation. Like I said, I am very open to a compromise, because I would much prefer to stay in a group.

Remember, if someone other than you/Chill/Ronike here isn't infected, then we will be if you leave.

I'm aware of that. Although, hypothetically, if the Russians were infected, both you and frozenflame would surely be infected. The only people who might not be infected would be me, Chill, ronike and ligolski. ligolski gave total control to the Russians, so we can't get him to come with us if we need to flee.

Hopefully, nobody's infected, and I'm just being paranoid. Of course, you have to be paranoid while playing this game if you want to live.

As for a compromise, I think we should split Clint up from his brother in the organization.

Perhaps something like this:

(Clint) (Blair) (Nauls)

------------Ronike------------
------------Copper -----------

(MacReady) (Windows) (Dmitri)

I think Clint should give MacReady some of his weaponry, and lead us. We should also do a flip at every turn, so that sometimes MacReady, Windows, and Dmitri lead, and sometimes Clint, Blair, and Nauls do.

We'll still have all of our weapons in a line, and we'll still have Nauls' organization style. Not only that, but the sides will be altering.

This seems like a fine compromise to me, although I'd prefer to have Chill and myself on the same side of the formation.

Like this:

(Clint) (Blair) (Nauls)

------------Ronike------------
------------Copper -----------

(Dmitri) (Windows) (MacReady)

I really see no rationale for having MacReady and me on separate sides. If there is one, I'd appreciate if you would explain it.

But, yeah, other than that, I'm fine with this plan. Can't say anything for anybody else, of course, but it seems like a reasonable compromise.

 

[sheepyman]

I thought that, if Dmitri/Windows/Blair/Clint were Things, you'd have a better chance of survival on separate sides, but I'm sure it's not an issue what side MacReady is on.

As for the issue with blood having very insubstantial amounts of DNA as compared to other things, and whether or not hair would be a more effective indicator, I'd like to hear what Ligolski has to say about it. Also, burn the hair without pulling it off, so it's completely intact when it's burned.

 

[Mediocre]

As for the issue with blood having very insubstantial amounts of DNA as compared to other things, and whether or not hair would be a more effective indicator, I'd like to hear what Ligolski has to say about it. Also, burn the hair without pulling it off, so it's completely intact when it's burned.

Well, hair is already dead, so that doesn't seem like it would be all that effective to me. Maybe the hair comes alive again or something when a Thing takes a humans form, but we have no way to know that.

My problem with the blood test is not how much DNA might be present in the blood, but whether the blood would be able to react in the way that EE seems to think it would even if it contained copious amounts of DNA. Blood's a liquid, and even if each of the cells had a life of their own and were trying to fight back, I suspect that even the slight sizzling of the liquid might cover up any movement they made.

The best thing to test would be the flesh itself, but I'm not sure how keen people would be to start chopping little pieces off themselves to be tested. That's something that I haven't been too keen to suggest, but it seems like it might be more likely to produce results then either the hair or the blood test, both of which seem less reliable to me. If the group decides that they want to conduct this test, I will gladly submit myself to it.

I don't know how much time we really want to spend on this right now, though. I think we ought to start moving as soon as possible.

Finally, I'd like to give the last radio to sheepyman. Nobody seems particularly inclined to take it, for reasons I don't understand, and, assuming sheepyman's not a Thing it seems to me that he is (with the exception of ronike, who can't really make use of it right now) the most independent from any of the groups. Therefore, I think he's the one most likely to be separated from other people who have radios, so I feel that he should have it.

sheepy, you're welcome to reject it, but I really don't see why you would.

Now can people please say how they feel about the plan so we can get his over with as quickly as possible? We should get moving.

 

[Mediocre]

And, Eor, I assume that frozenflame, ligolski and I all have radios? We all posted that we wanted to take one, but you didn't actually confirm that we had.

 

[Eor]

Yes, I just haven't updated it because I was waiting for you to all agree to leave somewhere. But, if you want

Everyone who says they grabbed radios do so.

Dmitri, Clint, and Windows discuss in Russian

 

[Chill]

I trust the Russians so I don't really care where I'm placed. I was just saying that if anyone did not feel comfortable we should switch so they would.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

I'm sorry, but it doesn't make sense to concentrate all our firepower at our rear, especially when we're posting this formation in the public forum, where anybody can read it. We need to have firepower as evenly divided, otherwise a Thing will simply attack whichever side is less heavily guarded. If all the firepower is concentrated at our rear, they'll simply attack from the front.

Everybody has full control of their character, so people on the wrong side can simply wait until everybody is down before firing. There will be no "itchy trigger fingers" in this game. Moreover, I don't think there's been an incidence of accidental friendly fire since the game began.

That's why the firepower rational is nonsense.

I don't think you understand what I was trying to explain. By dividing up the firepower and putting armed men on opposite flanks, if a thing attacks from either side, whomever is on the far flank will have men in their line of site. BAD news, especially when we're using shotguns. I wasn't trying to say someone might accidentally get shot because of an itchy trigger finger before they drop down. I'm saying, that people in the flank closest to an assailant will be directly in the way of the rear flank's line of fire, thus preventing them from helping shoot down assailants at all due to the extreme risk of friendly fire. For example, let's look at your most recently proposed setup.

Like this:

(Clint) (Blair) (Nauls) [Front]

------------Ronike------------
------------Copper -----------

(Dmitri) (Windows) (MacReady) [Rear]

I've added the front in rear just as labels, since obviously the real front and rear flanks depend on where the assailant comes from/which direction we are moving. Anyway here's the deal. Say a thing attacks the front flank. We assume all unarmed people drop to the ground as instructed. I am completely unable to help those in the front flank, since if I shoot at a thing or any assailant with my shotgun, there is an insanely high chance that I will accidentally hit one or many of our armed members in the front. The same goes for Dmitri who is either carrying an AK-47 or a shotgun, I can't remember which. Regardless, both weapons aren't exactly finesse weaponry, and are too unsafe to fire when allies are in the line of site.

Same idea applies is the thing attacks the rear flank as well. Now Clint can't help, since his weapon (the AK-47 or the shotgun, I don't recall which of the Russians has which weapon), can't be fired with allies in the line of fire. All your setup does is restrict our firepower, in exchange for your personal comfort.

If we go back to our setup, with Dmitri, Clint, and I all in a line behind everyone, regardless of which direction the Thing attacks from, we can fire without any worries of friendly fire, as the rest of you can alert us of an attack from the front and drop to the ground while we turn and fire unhindered. In the case of a back attack we simply alert you guys in front and unload.

THAT is why I believe the firepower rationale is PERFECTLY reasonable.

 

[Chill]

Yeah, the formation is fine. Let's just go already. Nicely pushes everyone out of the room. :D

 

[ligolski]

back from camping, break instructions for my departure earlier, i now have full control of myself again

On a side note, I was ruminating the whole "test" business. I presume that it is the DNA inside of the individual "Thing" cell that gives it its "always fight back" property.

However, since most of blood is red blood cells and water, and red blood cells have no nucleus, we would have been depending on the appearance of a white blood cell (which does have DNA) to effectively use the test. White blood cells, of course, being much, much rarer than red ones.

Our hair has plenty of DNA in it though, and I think it would be a better indicator (when burned) of whether or not someone was a Thing.

Just a thought.

a thing is not a human, so the blood may look different as well in my opinion (not official btw), and i think its safe to say that if a thing does have a fight property then it would replicate cells massively and would spread throughout the bloodstream meaning there would be plenty there to react to the irratation of fire...hair wouldn't work, its not alive and it in fact has a different kind of dna, Mitochondrial...basically hair doesn't work...

i like frozens and the russians formation better as per frozens argument and i believe we should go to the computer lab to run my program...

 

[sheepyman]

Not to be annoying or holding us up or anything, but I think you may have forgotten the little bit about "Clint should give his weaponry to MacReady". If we do it like that all the firepower is in a line, just like you proposed (and sensibly, by the way) that it should be.

This way, everyone is satisfied, right?

If this works for you, we should get going.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Yeah that sounds good. I just wanna talk it over with the Russians first, we have to wait for them to confirm the weapon exchange anyway.

 

[ligolski]

btw i have a pistol

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Yeah, since I gave it to you. XP But yeah, I wouldn't really consider that good anti-thing weaponry. Also, contrary to the other weapons we've been discussing, a pistol is finesse weaponry, so I'm not worried about where you are placed.

 

[ligolski]

i was just throwing it out there for others

 

[sheepyman]

Have we tested Childs for being a Thing yet?

 

[Evil Eye]

Clint will test Childs's corpse.

 

[Chill]

Is he's dead doesn't that confirm he's not a thing? I mean considering the only reliable methode we know of is death by fire. Test it if you want but if he's dead I don't see us getting any kind of result.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

No, thing's can "play dead". It says so in the original post. You can shoot someone in the head and think that if they die they were human, but in reality that person could easily be a thing just playing dead and waiting for you to leave it so it can re-animate and sneak off somewhere. Testing the "corpse" now is a perfectly viable way to make sure he wasn't infected.

 

[sheepyman]

Wouldn't it be better just to burn that body right now?

If he isn't a Thing, no problem. If he is, well then we just killed a Thing. And that's good.

 

[Mediocre]

Wouldn't it be better just to burn that body right now?

If he isn't a Thing, no problem. If he is, well then we just killed a Thing. And that's good.

If we got a positive result, it would mean that the Russian's test actually works, which would make me feel a lot safer.

So, yes, there is a point to testing him. However, I think everybody should keep whatever weapons they have trained on him, just in case he tries to attack while Scav is taking the sample.

 

[ligolski]

if its tests positive throw it down the trash chute to the incinerator...

 

[Chill]

If the test is positive he'll rise up and attack us. :D

Thanks for the reminder, frozen.

 

[Evil Eye]

I aim my AK-47 at Childs's body.

 

[ligolski]

point pistol at childs body

i say we burn it now while we have the chance

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

If the test is positive he'll rise up and attack us. :D

Thanks for the reminder, frozen.

No problem.

point pistol at childs body

i say we burn it now while we have the chance

No, we should test it first and see what kind of result we get. We might be able to find out just how infected blood acts this way.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Oooops, sorry for the double post.

Aim shotgun at Childs.

 

[Eor]

Clint readies his dagger, and walks steadily towards the corpse of the mechanic Childs. Dmitri, Blair, and Windows all aim their weapons at the body, waiting for any sign of movement.

Clint is a pace away from the corpse, when the body moves.

The hand darts up, light gleaming off the scalpel. Clint brings his own knife up in defense, but not quick enough, and the blade connects with skin. Red mist flies out

Gunshots fill the room

Dmirti fires a direct burst into the arm, blowing it and the hand back a heartbeat after it connected with Clint. Clint falls back, his empty hand going up to his wound..

Blair and Windows fire, but Childs jumps out of the Gurney and runs with inhumane speed. Another burst from Windows tangles Child's legs, spraying blood across the ground. But the corpse just stumbles and recovers, the shots from Blair slamming into a wall behind him.

Childs reaches the doorway and turns but gets thrown against a wall by a full burst to the chest by Dmitri. Childs stumbles, then looks at MacReady, and brings his own hand up, bending the top of his palm towards himself in a "Come" signal. And just as quickly as he first moved, Childs runs out of the door leading to the pharmacy and slams it shut.

Clint curses in Russian, blood coming out of the bottom of his chin.

 

[Evil Eye]

I scream in Russian at Nauls and MacReady.

 

[Evil Eye]

I do a quick scan of the room for any Thing blood or appendages.

I snap my fingers at the Doktor and point to my brother. I take my brother's vodka bottle, and gesture it at Nauls with a questioning expression.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

I aid Dmitri in scanning the room for any sign of a Thing, or remnants of one, while covering Copper as he attends to Nauls.

 

[ligolski]

i reload and try to calm myself, I scan the room for any kind of medicine/substance that is explosive or very flammable using my doctor skills to locate it and get it

 

[Eor]

You're not a doctor

 

[Ronike]

OOC: lol .

 

[ligolski]

doctor of biology is what i meant

 

[ligolski]

told you we should have burned while we had the chance

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

I wouldn't have mattered since we've been posting in the thread. He would have retaliated before we tried to burn him no doubt.

 

[sheepyman]

Attend to Clint's wounds.

Yeah, we should really kill Childs if at all possible .

 

[Eor]

Dmitri looks at the rivers of blood on the gurney Childs had slept on, and the trail that leads to the door, the spurts on the wall, and the probable trail outside the door to the Pharmacy. There are no chunks

Blair reloads and looks around the Medical room, but the chemicals are kept in cabinets

Copper runs over to Clint and checks the wound. The knife cut the bottom of his chin, but didn't have time to go deep. The cut itself is not even bleeding that badly. Still, Copper places a band aid on it from the supplies

 

[ligolski]

open the nearest cabinet that i know that has some sort of flammable liquid in it and take it

 

[Chill]

I scream in Russian at Nauls and MacReady.

Translation please.