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The Thing - Game Concluded. What would have happened posted, mysteries tomorrow

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Agentli is replaced by Mediocre

Sorry Spam, i forgot that Medi sent me a pm around a month ago asking to replace the next person. You can be the next one.
 

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that's fine with me, I definetly thought there had to be people who signed up to play before I even joined the boards.
 

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Hi, guys.

I guess I'll grab a radio.

I'd also like to ask the Russians about the test:
1. How did they come up with it?
2. Have they ever used it on someone to successfully determine that they were a Thing?

Finally, I'd like to note that since the Russians came up with this test, for them to pass it doesn't really prove anything. They could just be Things, and the test could simply be a lie they're using to gain our trust.

Until we see the test get a positive result (identifying someone as a Thing), we can't trust the Russians.
 

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Hey now listen. Ronike was being totally unreasonable. We're not going to hurt him, but we need to restrain him until he calms down. If you shoot at us you're going to get yourself killed, and the last thing we need to be doing is killing off people we know to be human. [/B]
What, exactly, was he doing that was "totally unreasonable?"

He doesn't trust you, and he doesn't trust the Russians. He was basing his actions on that. That seems perfectly reasonable to me.

Think about it - the Russians come in from outside our base. We have no idea whether or not they are Things, and the test will not prove anything either way, because they are the ones who came up with it. You were alone with the Russians. Now you seem to trust them completely.

Either you trust them because you were alone with them and you weren't attacked, or you trust them because you were attacked, and are now a Thing.
 

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you make some valid points, i whish to hear an answer as well...but we do need to move along and get the batteries
 

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I leave the explanations to them but I don't see how it could be fake. Unless Things are capable of extreme self control...
 

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Why was he being unreasonable? Because we had already passed the test before, yet he continued to insist that we retake it or else he would not. I can understand that he may feel the walls closing in on him, what with thing popping up left and right and waking up to a massacre, but continuing to be so edgy even after we had proved our innocence is just a hindrance we don't need to be dealing with.

Here's how the test works. When a thing creates a replica of a being it consumes, every part of that clone is made of independent, living, thing "cells." Every single part of the clone will attempt to avoid death, as each part of said clone has a consciousness, allowing the thing to survive if any part of the clone is not destroyed. As such, the test can prove whether or not someone is a thing, because if they were infected their blood would react violently (or at least erratically) to the burning end of a cigarette because the blood itself is conscious and will try to survive.

When the Russians and I were tested, our blood simply bubbled/boiled like any normal person's blood would when heated. There, we are clean. I trusted the Russians long before anyone else did because A.) like you said I was alone with them and they didn't infect me, though obviously I can't prove that, and B.) They tested me and then themselves in front of me during our first encounter.

Understand?
 

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Here's how the test works. When a thing creates a replica of a being it consumes, every part of that clone is made of independent, living, thing "cells." Every single part of the clone will attempt to avoid death, as each part of said clone has a consciousness, allowing the thing to survive if any part of the clone is not destroyed. As such, the test can prove whether or not someone is a thing, because if they were infected their blood would react violently (or at least erratically) to the burning end of a cigarette because the blood itself is conscious and will try to survive.
Where are you getting this information? Is there something in the thread that you can link to that will prove to me that the blood reacts this way? Otherwise, I'm not convinced.

Why was he being unreasonable? Because we had already passed the test before, yet he continued to insist that we retake it or else he would not. I can understand that he may feel the walls closing in on him, what with thing popping up left and right and waking up to a massacre, but continuing to be so edgy even after we had proved our innocence is just a hindrance we don't need to be dealing with.
When the Russians and I were tested, our blood simply bubbled/boiled like any normal person's blood would when heated. There, we are clean. I trusted the Russians long before anyone else did because A.) like you said I was alone with them and they didn't infect me, though obviously I can't prove that, and B.) They tested me and then themselves in front of me during our first encounter.

Understand?
Yes, I understand why you trust the Russians.

What I don't understand is why I should trust the Russians, or why Ronike should trust the Russians. I also don't understand why I should trust you.
 

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By the way, what I just said above does not mean I am unwilling to be tested. However, it does mean that I, personally, do not trust the results of the test.

Also, I should have two knives left.

I'd like to place one knife in a position where it is easily accessible, but there is little chance of me cutting myself.

Now, I'd like take a quick look around the medical room for any sort of tape, string or adhesive substance. If I find any, I'd like to pick it up. Whether I find any or not, I'd like to ask Chill if he knows where any more would be.

Also, I trust Chill. For this reason, I have decided that I will follow Chill, unless he specifically says he does not want me to follow, in which case I will not automatically follow. So from now on, wherever Chill goes, I go. This is to make sure he doesn't transform into a Thing without me seeing him.
 

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And in case any of you think I am trying to get Chill alone so that I can infect him, let me tell you that I have absolutely no problems if anybody else wants to follow us and keep an eye on us. I'm simply concerned about my own safety, and because I trust Chill I feel safest with him.

And Eor, by asking Chill I really meant that you should tell him so he can tell me. Obviously he's not going to know himself, but his character really would know something like that.
 

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i forgot to say eor, i will be gone starting tomorrow until sunday of the next week, not in two days...

I will form a group with the russians and frozen, they may dictate what I do, and if they ask for any info from me I will give ALL that I can give, including computer info, "I" (meaning eor) will give it to you

I am trusting you guys, so don't go killing me off now
 

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i forgot to say eor, i will be gone starting tomorrow until sunday of the next week, not in two days...

I will form a group with the russians and frozen, they may dictate what I do, and if they ask for any info from me I will give ALL that I can give, including computer info, "I" (meaning eor) will give it to you

I am trusting you guys, so don't go killing me off now
What do you mean, "they may dictate what I do?" Does that mean that if all of them are Things, you're okay with them infecting you and if they tell you not to resist you won't?

At least put some kind of limits on the type of control you're giving them, or else you may end up dead.
 

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fine...

IF they try to infect me, i will shoot them all in the face and run away as fast as i can and hide until I return
 

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Before they leave, Clint will perform the test on Mac and Nauls. If they consent.

Ik harv definakut arxpelia. Ik nur intal assma brazzer.

Ma brazzer eyor wisten Ik raktur eht lumb eva... "Things". Et farghfor etz lesurvav.

Dadyu nur ocusit elria? Weir **** a tentakula eva eht uhl--certir et wust tatarched vo thosing. Yar et tils tewn voor yul selta chive--mohm weir salva thar, laun wit yaman hassirs, ni kass yu nava vorgoten.
 

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I was not planning on leaving. I was just setting myself up to automatically follow Chill, because he's the most trustworthy person right now, from my perspective (ever since he saved my character from commonyoshi).

Anyway, I agree to submit to the test, provided Chill agrees as well, and either EE or Scav answers the questions I asked about the test on the previous page. If I don't get those questions answered, I'm afraid I'll have to refuse.

In any case, everyone should keep in mind that until we get a positive test result from someone, the test means nothing.
 

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Basically what EE was saying, is that the test is in fact valid because we have proof that any part of a Thing can survive on its own and will fight for it's survival. Just yesterday, before we had to sleep, we were attacked by a tentacle from the ceiling at the bottom of the stairs leading to basement 2 I believe. When the Russians came and saved Garry from a Thing, they shot a tentacle off the main "mass" if you will, and while the main mass was burning the tentacle was still alive, even when separated from the host.

Furthermore, early on in the game Fuchs, who was one of our biologists, was searching for a petri dish and copper wire. Clearly, he had concluded as we have, that since any part of a thing will fight for its survival, he could take tissue samples from all of us and electrify/heat them in the dish using the wire to observe the reactions of the tissue to these stimuli. Based on the reactions, he could easily determine who was and wasn't infected.

So actually the test does mean something. Furthermore, I don't see why you don't trust the Russians. They've provided use with two battery packs and have already saved one of us from an attacking Thing, all in tandem with the fact that they've already passed the test.
 

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They've provided use with two battery packs and have already saved one of us from an attacking Thing, all in tandem with the fact that they've already passed the test.
You saw them pass the test. Nobody else did, and you could easily be a Thing.

The two battery packs are evidence in their favor, I'll admit, but not definitive proof. Nor is it proof that they helped fend off the Thing. At the time, there were enough people around that for them not to have helped fight it off would have been ****ing.

I understand the reasoning behind the test, but am not sure that blood would be independent in the same way that body parts might be. Also, the Russians still haven't answered one of my questions. I'll ask again: has this test ever been used to positively confirm that someone was a Thing?
 

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Actually: http://smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=2462950&postcount=1134

The Russians took the test in front of everyone right there.

Also they could have easily gone postal on all of us when the thing attacked. These guys are very heavily armed, whereas most of us are either injured, unarmed, or a combination of the two. As such, the fact that they helped fend off a thing is definitely evidence in their favor.

As for your question, no, that hasn't happened yet, but I don't think it is reasonable at all to disregard the test entirely just because we haven't caught someone with it yet.
 

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Quit causing distrust, because it doesn't help. All this is doing is putting us on edge, getting us worked up over quite possibly nothing. I don't care if the Russians are Things, because if they are, and we stay together in this large group, and they lose, it'd be the same as it ever would've been. If they win, well, then we never really had much of a chance, because Clark and Palmer are still out there. Let's just stay smart and keep it together. Let's find those battery packs and finish off Clark and Palmer. If the game doesn't end there, then we know the test doesn't work.

But above all, let's cooperate, stay together, and stay alive.
 

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Quit causing distrust, because it doesn't help. All this is doing is putting us on edge, getting us worked up over quite possibly nothing. I don't care if the Russians are Things, because if they are, and we stay together in this large group, and they lose, it'd be the same as it ever would've been. If they win, well, then we never really had much of a chance, because Clark and Palmer are still out there. Let's just stay smart and keep it together. Let's find those battery packs and finish off Clark and Palmer. If the game doesn't end there, then we know the test doesn't work.

But above all, let's cooperate, stay together, and stay alive.
You know, I wasn't doing anything uncooperative. I agreed to the test, after all. All I did was point out that passing the test doesn't really mean anything until we get a positive result from someone.

Frozenflame was insisting I should trust the Russians, and I don't see why.

Generally speaking, though, you're right. We have more pressing concerns.

Let's take stock of our situation right now.

We have three battery packs. frozenflame has two. sheepyman has one, but all our mechanics are either dead or MIA, so it's probably worthless.

frozenflame, ligolski and I all have radios. The Russians have radios built into their helmets.

Who has the flamethrower? It's our most valuable weapon against the Things. ligolski said he wanted to take it from ronike, but Eorlingas never actually said that ligolski took it.

Speaking of ronike, is he alright? I'd like to ask sheepyman to take a look at ronike. Make sure he didn't die from being hit with that shotgun.
 

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By the way, there should be one radio that nobody has taken yet.

Somebody should take it. Otherwise we'll just wind up leaving it here when we leave the room.
 

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Clint walks over to MacReady. He pulls his knife out, cuts Mac's thumb, then holds the flame to the wound. The blood sizzles

Clint then goes over Nauls, and does the same. He holds the flame up to the blood. The blood sizzles

Copper goes over to Gary to check on him. From what he can see, Gary is still alive, although his heart rate is rather slow
 

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It blew up when you guys fought Common.

And I'm just telling you because your character would know that
 

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It blew up when you guys fought Common.

And I'm just telling you because your character would know that
Ah, ****. I read that and then I guess I forgot about it. I thought we still had it. Oh well.

Has everybody taken the test now? I think so. So that should be over with.

As for what to do next - I'd suggest we proceed to search the rooms on the South side of Basement 1, starting with Office C and proceeding to Office A, checking all rooms in between. I don't think anybody has searched there yet, right? Therefore, the likelihood of us finding a battery or something else useful is pretty high.

However, I don't want us to move as anything other than a full group, including ronike. If we get separated, the danger increases exponentially. If everybody agrees, let's head out. I don't think there's anything more to do here right now.

Also, it occurs to me that it would be a good idea for us to have somebody block the exits when we test for Things, to prevent somebody from pulling a commonyoshi on us.
 

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I rack my brain for the right English word.

Uch.... WAIT!

I point to my military honors on the breast of my uniform, hoping the Americans will catch my drift, and then mumble to my brother and Windows in Russian.
 

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Looking around would be a good idea but what do we do about Gary? Carry him to each room?
Yeah, I guess. I'm going to look around the room for some sort of wheeled table, or something else we could transport ronike on, but if I don't find that somebody's going to have to carry him. I wouldn't mind doing it, if nobody else feels like it.

But it seems like EE has something to say, so we should definitely wait for frozenflame to post before we do anything. I have no idea what he's trying to pantomime, so I guess we'll just have to wait.
 

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Here's the plan the Russians came up with (probably what the pantomiming was suggesting):

Before we move out, I thought I should use my combat experience for some good and to ensure minimum loss of life.

Hopefully you still agree that the pilot is somewhat sketchy. He and Blair should lead the pack -- both are armed, and they know the base well. Further, we would have a man that trusts us keeping an eye on MacReady.

Behind them, escorting Garry on a gurney, should be Nauls and the Doktor. I choose them because Nauls is no doubt handy with a knife, as would be Copper, after a guerilla tour in Vietnam. If a Thing penetrated the first line of defense, melee combat would be the only thing available, thus it is best to have them guarding Garry. We should also put the defibrilator on the gurney, perhaps tucked under your station chief's knees, in case his heart should stop (though I doubt it will, it's just a bump) and CPR proves inefficient. Contrary to what your comrades no doubt believe, I do not want the man to die. I merely want him detained once we fix the generator.

I believe Nauls has molotov cocktails. I would like one. I already improvised a cocktail with skill and killed a Thing last night. That should prove I would not want to sabotage one. If he truly does not trust me, he could give it to you, but I spent a great deal of time fending off insurgents in Yugoslavia with the devilish things.

Covering the rear would be you, me, and Clint. A Thing, not knowing who is armed or how well, would logically attack from behind. This is why it is best to have a strong concentration of firepower there -- in a tight hallway, with the bullets we would be putting out, there is no way it could get to us.

When we get to forks in the road or turns in the hallway, you should slip to the front of the pack, in case a Thing tried a sneak attack. Once we establish that it is clear, you would ghost your way back to me and my brother and we move on as normal.

What is the English word for "down"? Once you tell me it, MacReady and Blair could use it as a self-explanatory code if under attack. They would both drop to a knee before shooting and also have given the Doktor and Nauls warning to lower Garry's gurney and get on the ground. The important thing here is that you, Clint, and I would be able to offer assistance before the Things get to either of them, without worrying about friendly fire.

That should be a good enough formation to last us until we fix the generator detain Garry.
 

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Okay, here's the formation EE came up with:



Anybody else notice anything odd about this formation? Sorry, but I'm not comfortable with only Russians and their allies guarding my back, and I doubt sheepyman or Chill are either.

I include ligolski as a Russian ally because, right now, the Russians have almost total control of his character. According to the instructions he gave Eor, the Russians could make him kill one of us.

After seeing this proposed formation, I don't want any Russians bunching up like that, especially in a place where nobody can see them. I want a formation like this:



First of all, blue means non-Russian, red means Russian or ally. The arrows inside the circles are the directions people will be facing. There are names inside some of the circles indicating who I'd like in that position.

The "firepower" rationale is nonsensical. All we need is one person to yell, and we'll have three or four people ready to fight whatever's coming immediately. If we follow this formation, both groups (forward and backward) will have molotovs, too.

I think the reasoning behind the positioning is pretty understandable. Imagine either group, (the Reds or the Blues) as entirely Things. Keeping that in mind, this is the safest formation, because neither group could immediately overwhelm the other. ligolski is where he is to provide a bit of a buffer between the Russian/Russian ally and the lone Blue in front. sheepyman is where he is to handle any complications that may arise with ronike.

I think this is a completely fair and reasonable formation, relatively safe from attack from both the outside and within. If you have a problem with it, speak up.
 

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I agree with Nauls formation. It should put anyone who does not yet trust everyone else at ease and still effectively covers us from attack.
 

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I'm sorry, but when you said that the firepower rationale was nonsensical, that just blew my mind? You've gotta be kidding me. Shotguns aren't exactly precision weapons. The whole point of having me and the Russians in a line is to effectively watch our flank, AND keep all the heavy weapons side by side, so that we don't get caught in the cross fire when attacked. Yeah I'm sure you'd just love it when someone yells "DOWN!" and we suddenly have heavy weapons blazing from both ends of the formation, causing one end to be caught in the crossfire. Someone is going to get clipped in that situation. If we are all lined up, if someone yells down, we can all easily turn (the the Russians and I) while the rest of you drop to the ground, and we fire in a line. This way no one can get caught in crossfire.

Furthermore, we need two people pushing/carrying Garry, because if someone yells down, one person won't be able to bring him to the ground safely or at least in a controlled manner.

Oh and another thing, is I, Copper (yes you should be counting Copper in our group, as he stayed with us overnight, so if we were things we'd have infected him), Blair and the Russians are all Things, its game over for you. Not only are you and MacReady poorly armed but being OUTNUMBERED by things has death written all over it. By doing your formation, you'd only be boxing yourself in should we choose to transform.
 

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I'm sorry, but when you said that the firepower rationale was nonsensical, that just blew my mind? You've gotta be kidding me. Shotguns aren't exactly precision weapons. The whole point of having me and the Russians in a line is to effectively watch our flank, AND keep all the heavy weapons side by side, so that we don't get caught in the cross fire when attacked. Yeah I'm sure you'd just love it when someone yells "DOWN!" and we suddenly have heavy weapons blazing from both ends of the formation, causing one end to be caught in the crossfire. Someone is going to get clipped in that situation. If we are all lined up, if someone yells down, we can all easily turn (the the Russians and I) while the rest of you drop to the ground, and we fire in a line. This way no one can get caught in crossfire.
I'm sorry, but it doesn't make sense to concentrate all our firepower at our rear, especially when we're posting this formation in the public forum, where anybody can read it. We need to have firepower as evenly divided, otherwise a Thing will simply attack whichever side is less heavily guarded. If all the firepower is concentrated at our rear, they'll simply attack from the front.

Everybody has full control of their character, so people on the wrong side can simply wait until everybody is down before firing. There will be no "itchy trigger fingers" in this game. Moreover, I don't think there's been an incidence of accidental friendly fire since the game began.

That's why the firepower rational is nonsense.

Furthermore, we need two people pushing/carrying Garry, because if someone yells down, one person won't be able to bring him to the ground safely or at least in a controlled manner.
Frankly, I'm less worried about ronike being lowered to the ground "safely or at least in a controlled manner" than I am about my own safety. That's not to say that I want ronike to die, just to say that, for me, my own life takes precedence.

Oh and another thing, is I, Copper (yes you should be counting Copper in our group, as he stayed with us overnight, so if we were things we'd have infected him),
That's a good point. I'd forgotten that.

Blair and the Russians are all Things, its game over for you. Not only are you and MacReady poorly armed but being OUTNUMBERED by things has death written all over it. By doing your formation, you'd only be boxing yourself in should we choose to transform.
Most of use were even more boxed in in the previous formation. We had ronike's gurney on one side, and three Russians/allies on the other. Now at least the sides are open for a possible escape, should it be necessary.


I'm willing to compromise on this (that's part of the reason I left a lot of the names off my formation), but if we don't reach a solution that satisfies me, I'm leaving. I hope Chill will come with me, but obviously I can't speak for him. I also hope you guys would allow us to take ronike as well, because obviously he didn't feel very safe with you, and if you believe the Russians you know we're not Things anyway.

I don't want to leave, but I simply don't feel comfortable with having only the Russians/allies watching the back.
 

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I'm sorry, but I am not okay with you leaving, short of someone transforming into a thing right now. Splitting apart this group over something like that is irrational. Risking it with this large group, even though they might be Things, is probably safer than running off on your own.

Remember, if someone other than you/Chill/Ronike here isn't infected, then we will be if you leave.

As for a compromise, I think we should split Clint up from his brother in the organization.

Perhaps something like this:

:) (Clint) :) (Blair) :) (Nauls)

------------:(Ronike:(------------
------------:)Copper :)-----------

:) (MacReady) :) (Windows) :) (Dmitri)

I think Clint should give MacReady some of his weaponry, and lead us. We should also do a flip at every turn, so that sometimes MacReady, Windows, and Dmitri lead, and sometimes Clint, Blair, and Nauls do.

We'll still have all of our weapons in a line, and we'll still have Nauls' organization style. Not only that, but the sides will be altering.
 

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On a side note, I was ruminating the whole "test" business. I presume that it is the DNA inside of the individual "Thing" cell that gives it its "always fight back" property.

However, since most of blood is red blood cells and water, and red blood cells have no nucleus, we would have been depending on the appearance of a white blood cell (which does have DNA) to effectively use the test. White blood cells, of course, being much, much rarer than red ones.

Our hair has plenty of DNA in it though, and I think it would be a better indicator (when burned) of whether or not someone was a Thing.

Just a thought.
 
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