The Solid Snake for Smash DLC thread! Such a lust for Smash news....WHOOOOOOOO?

[Deleted member]

I was going to argue this until I saw the characters that you support in your sig. Tells me everything I need to know

I wouldn't want to argue with a pathetic troll like you, anyway. So thanks for doing me a favor.

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

I wouldn't want to argue with a pathetic troll like you, anyway. So thanks for doing me a favor.

wow rood

 

[Ekans647]

Why is there even a discussion over what weapons Snake will use?

Just make him identical to Brawl

That makes sense, but I think we're talking about what potential censors Sakurai will put on Snake. Then again, if Snake got away with using explosives and other realistic modern weaponry in Brawl, who's to say he won't get away with it again.

 

[Lazurwolf]

wow rood

I know. Did his parents ever taught him manners?

 

[Kamiko]

Why is there even a discussion over what weapons Snake will use?

Just make him identical to Brawl

It stemmed from someone in another thread complaining that He didn't "fit" in Brawl because his weapons were modern. Which is really dumb.

 

[SmashBro99]

He didn't fit at all lol.

Sorry.

 

[Kamiko]

He didn't fit at all lol.

Sorry.

How not? Aside from being third party obviously.

 

[SmashBro99]

Just my opinion, the weapons were a little too real...I don't even like that argument though because Samus has a missile launcher type attack, but his grab and pummel (snapping people's necks?) seemed like a little much. Sure just about every character punches and kicks, I just see that as a bit darker and not fit for Smash Bros. I know it fits Snake's character to do so. It's not a huge deal, I wouldn't care if he came back or not.

 

[IsmaR]

I don't see it as any darker than characters who have grabs that involve slashing through the opponent with swords, literally drilling them into the ground, or just burning/electrocuting them alive.

Granted all of this is cartoony given the characters doing it, but I'm almost sure the bias exists purely because Snake is the one doing it. Absolutely no one would be complaining if Jigglypuff was the one snapping necks.

 

[Deleted member]

I would.....because it's Jigglypuff.
If it was someone with relatively normal proportions, however....


But to be on the serious side, other than the sound effect giving implication of snapping necks, it seems more that Snake is applying a chokehold rather than snapping necks. Ivysaur's pummel uses the same sound effect, and I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be squeezing the opponent with the vines as opposed to breaking their backs.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

No clue, if I had to guess, I'd say no, we have CHILDREN playing smash bros, I don't think Snake would've been a good influence on children. I don't mean any disrespect here, but I'm just saying that they should probably make the series more child friendly.

 

[Kamiko]

Children will be influenced by all the other characters just as much as by Snake. Punching is a real action too. And blades are much more obtainable than guns. I'm fine with people thinking violence could be a problem in what they think is a kids' game, but Snake shouldn't be singled out for something other characters have as well.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Children will be influenced by all the other characters just as much as by Snake. Punching is a real action too. And blades are much more obtainable than guns. I'm fine with people thinking violence could be a problem in what they think is a kids' game, but Snake shouldn't be singled out for something other characters have as well.

Look at it this way, Snake is a rated M character, and Rated M Characters should NOT have any involvement in smash, so yes, Snake was a bad influence on children. Also, Sakurai was reluctant to put Snake into brawl, so he's as good as gone.

 

[Kamiko]

Look at it this way, Snake is a rated M character, and Rated M Characters should NOT have any involvement in smash, so yes, Snake was a bad influence on children. Also, Sakurai was reluctant to put Snake into brawl, so he's as good as gone.

ESRB doesn't rate characters. They rate games. If a Nintendo character made an appearance in an M rated game, would they suddenly be unfit for smash?

 

[JamesDNaux]

Look at it this way, Snake is a rated M character, and Rated M Characters should NOT have any involvement in smash, so yes, Snake was a bad influence on children. Also, Sakurai was reluctant to put Snake into brawl, so he's as good as gone.

...Sakurai was not reluctant to put Snake into Brawl. Where on earth did you get that information?

Kojima asked Sakurai to put Snake in Melee, but the game was too far into development. Sakurai went back to Kojima and asked him if he still wanted Snake in for Brawl. That doesn't sound reluctant to me, quite the opposite. Do you understand the amount of trouble he has to go through to include a third party character? He wouldn't have done it at all if he was "reluctant." And Snake being too violent for children? That sure stopped him from being in Brawl right? Children shouldn't be playing a T rated game in the first place, that's their parent's fault, not Nintendo's. Please kindly take your anti Snake bias elsewhere.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

...Sakurai was not reluctant to put Snake into Brawl. Where on earth did you get that information?

Kojima asked Sakurai to put Snake in Melee, but the game was too far into development. Sakurai went back to Kojima and asked him if he still wanted Snake in for Brawl. That doesn't sound reluctant to me, quite the opposite. Do you understand the amount of trouble he has to go through to include a third party character? He wouldn't have done it at all if he was "reluctant." And Snake being too violent for children? That sure stopped him from being in Brawl right? Children shouldn't be playing a T rated game in the first place, that's their parent's fault, not Nintendo's. Please kindly take your anti Snake bias elsewhere.

No, Kojima ceaselessly begged Sakurai like a poor man living in the streets to put Snake in the game, and if you take a look back into the past, the first Smash was rated E, and Melee being just as violent as the second smash was only rated T because graphics made the violence look realistic, I started smashing when I was SIX, because my parents have seen my cousins play Melee before they let me play with them, it would be a different story if that were Brawl. I'm not biased, I don't hate Snake, I just think rated m characters in smash is a big mistake for a rated T game, and I'm also backed up by two highly experienced video game talk show spokespeople.

 

[Chandeelure]

Absolutely no one would be complaining if Jigglypuff was the one snapping necks.

That would be awesome.

 

[Kamiko]

rated m characters

This thing right here, you did it again. Snake isn't what's rated M. The games he's from are. But the rated M content wasn't carried over to Brawl. If the characters themselves were being excluded for not being child-friendly, Ganondorf would never have made it in. Also as JamesDNaux stated, the game's T-rated. So kids aren't "supposed" to be playing it anyway.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

This thing right here, you did it again. Snake isn't what's rated M. The games he's from are. But the rated M content wasn't carried over to Brawl. If the characters themselves were being excluded for not being child-friendly, Ganondorf would never have made it in. Also as JamesDNaux stated, the game's T-rated. So kids aren't "supposed" to be playing it anyway.

Please leave me alone, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

 

[Kamiko]

Please leave me alone, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Of course, but I'm not sure why you would bother posting those opinions on a public forum if you aren't willing to discuss them with people who might disagree with you.

 

[Dairz]

the first Smash was rated E, and Melee being just as violent as the second smash was only rated T because graphics made the violence look realistic

The violence being more realistic is a perfectly legitimate reason to change the rating of a game...

 

[Ekans647]

Look at it this way, Snake is a rated M character, and Rated M Characters should NOT have any involvement in smash, so yes, Snake was a bad influence on children. Also, Sakurai was reluctant to put Snake into brawl, so he's as good as gone.

I think you're forgetting something. Guns and and other modern weaponry don't kill people, the person behind it does. They're just as inanimate as the keyboard you're typing on. The C4 Snake uses and the grenades he throws are only lethal because he uses them as such. Even so, the charcter an explicitly dying right on-screen, just like with Ike's Aether. In fact, his weapons (in effect) are more akin to concussion explosives used for incapacitating opponents, not killing them. If you're complaining about Snake, why aren't you complaining about Marth or Fox?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

I think you're forgetting something. Guns and and other modern weaponry don't kill people, the person behind it does. They're just as inanimate as the keyboard you're typing on. The C4 Snake uses and the grenades he throws are only lethal because he uses them as such. Even so, the charcter an explicitly dying right on-screen, just like with Ike's Aether. In fact, his weapons (in effect) are more akin to concussion explosives used for incapacitating opponents, not killing them. If you're complaining about Snake, why aren't you complaining about Marth or Fox?

Because those characters are not Rated M. Fox is more athletic than he is about lasers, and there's no blood or anything like that in Fire Emblem.

 

[Ekans647]

Because those characters are not Rated M. Fox is more athletic than he is about lasers, and there's no blood or anything like that in Fire Emblem.

There's no blood when Snake uses his pummel of any his explosives. What's you point?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

There's no blood when Snake uses his pummel of any his explosives. What's you point?

My point is that a Snake is from a rated m series of sniper mission type shooter games, and will have an extremely bad influence on children. Even his Final Smash is violent, so he's going to be cut.

 

[Kamiko]

My point is that a Snake is from a rated m series of sniper mission type shooter games, and will have an extremely bad influence on children. Even his Final Smash is violent, so he's going to be cut.

It's a stealth game, not a shooter. Guns just happen to be some of the tools available.

 

[Ekans647]

My point is that a Snake is from a rated m series of sniper mission type shooter games, and will have an extremely bad influence on children. Even his Final Smash is violent, so he's going to be cut.

Snake actually comes for a stealth gamer, were your main objective is to avoid the enemy. I can understand that you're concerned about violent video games, I am to. Games like COD and GTA I heavily am against. However, Smash is not realistic. It was rated Teen before Snake joined, and even if he leaves, Smash will probably stay rated Teen. If Snake was real that much of a problem, SSBB would have been rated M.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Snake actually comes for a stealth gamer, were your main objective is to avoid the enemy. I can understand that you're concerned about violent video games, I am to. Games like COD and GTA I heavily am against. However, Smash is not realistic. It was rated Teen before Snake joined, and even if he leaves, Smash will probably stay rated Teen. If Snake was real that much of a problem, SSBB would have been rated M.

I know that the game will stay Rated T, but it doesn't matter, Snake's still leaving.

 

[Ekans647]

I know that the game will stay Rated T, but it doesn't matter, Snake's still leaving.

Just to clarify, you think Snake is leaving because his fighting style is violent and his weaponry is too realistic and is a bad influence on our children? Am I wrong?

 

[Dairz]

Because those characters are not Rated M. Fox is more athletic than he is about lasers, and there's no blood or anything like that in Fire Emblem.

Link uses swords, arrows, explosives... and in Ocarina of Time, Link kills Ganondorf, and he actually bleeds. Should Link be removed from Smash?

 

[Kamiko]

Link uses swords, arrows, explosives... and in Ocarina of Time, Link kills Ganondorf, and he actually bleeds. Should Link be removed from Smash?

Not to mention the multiple impalings Ganondorf has received, twice in the face. I don't care what ESRB says, no amount of blood is as bad as that.

 

[Kirks21]

Just putting this out there: Lasers hurt. A lot. Ever watch Star Wars? A weapon is a weapon.

 

[JamesDNaux]

No, Kojima ceaselessly begged Sakurai like a poor man living in the streets to put Snake in the game, and if you take a look back into the past, the first Smash was rated E, and Melee being just as violent as the second smash was only rated T because graphics made the violence look realistic, I started smashing when I was SIX, because my parents have seen my cousins play Melee before they let me play with them, it would be a different story if that were Brawl. I'm not biased, I don't hate Snake, I just think rated m characters in smash is a big mistake for a rated T game, and I'm also backed up by two highly experienced video game talk show spokespeople.

Holy run on sentence Batman, let me stop you right there. Kojima did not "ceaselessly beg Sakurai like a poor man," or were you there to witness said "begging?" Sakurai and Kojima are good friends, and Kojima requested Sakurai to add Snake because his son asked him why his own character wasn't in the game. Once again I must state, the licensing and trouble one must go through to acquire a third party character is no small feat, if Sakurai went through the trouble of adding Snake for his friend, then they must be damn good friends, and I don't think he would go against his word and remove Snake after adding him.

Like you say, you were playing the game when you were six, just about every twelve-year-old with a console is playing bloody, M-rated shooters that they sure as hell shouldn't be playing. You think Snake appearing in Smash, in a non-violent manner mind you, is going to harm these children? You're backed up by two "highly experienced" talk show gamers? You lost even more credibility in my book, because those kinds of people tend to be biased as hell and don't know a damn thing they're talking about. You know the biggest thing that makes everything you're spouting a load of BS? Snake is too violent? He's from M rated games? He doesn't fit in Smash Bros.? Guess what, he was already in Brawl, despite the "violence," or his games' ratings. That didn't stop him before now did it?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Link uses swords, arrows, explosives... and in Ocarina of Time, Link kills Ganondorf, and he actually bleeds. Should Link be removed from Smash?

Holy run on sentence Batman, let me stop you right there. Kojima did not "ceaselessly beg Sakurai like a poor man," or were you there to witness said "begging?" Sakurai and Kojima are good friends, and Kojima requested Sakurai to add Snake because his son asked him why his own character wasn't in the game. Once again I must state, the licensing and trouble one must go through to acquire a third party character is no small feat, if Sakurai went through the trouble of adding Snake for his friend, then they must be damn good friends, and I don't think he would go against his word and remove Snake after adding him.

Like you say, you were playing the game when you were six, just about every twelve-year-old with a console is playing bloody, M-rated shooters that they sure as hell shouldn't be playing. You think Snake appearing in Smash, in a non-violent manner mind you, is going to harm these children? You're backed up by two "highly experienced" talk show gamers? You lost even more credibility in my book, because those kinds of people tend to be biased as hell and don't know a damn thing they're talking about. You know the biggest thing that makes everything you're spouting a load of BS? Snake is too violent? He's from M rated games? He doesn't fit in Smash Bros.? Guess what, he was already in Brawl, despite the "violence," or his games' ratings. That didn't stop him before now did it?

Let's just stop talking, were not going anywhere with this shenanigans.

 

[Ekans647]

Let's just stop talking, were not going anywhere with this shenanigans.

You're the one who started the debate, we were just debating with you. But sure, this debate is getting a little old and repetitive anyway.

So what new changes do you think Sakurai is going to make to the codecs? Those have always been a fun edition in Smash.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

So what new changes do you think Sakurai is going to make to the codecs? Those have always been a fun edition in Smash.

Well im still hoping they give him the big boss make over, since he could be introduced to all the previous characters solid snake learned about the first time, with a fresh look at them and new characters to have back and forth with. Maybe even have tapes you can collect and listen too, since they didnt exactly have codec as it was in brawl during naked snakes era.

 

[Ekans647]

Well im still hoping they give him the big boss make over, since he could be introduced to all the previous characters solid snake learned about the first time, with a fresh look at them and new characters to have back and forth with. Maybe even have tapes you can collect and listen too, since they didnt exactly have codec as it was in brawl during naked snakes era.

Considering the most likely way Big Boss is in SSB4 is through an Alternate Costume, but I could see Tapes being a collectible like CD's. Or maybe as playing with the Big Boss Alt, you get different codecs.

 

[KoRLumen]

You're the one who started the debate, we were just debating with you. But sure, this debate is getting a little old and repetitive anyway.

So what new changes do you think Sakurai is going to make to the codecs? Those have always been a fun edition in Smash.

Actually, that brings up another point. If Snake does return, and the codecs return as well, and the mechanic is the same (codecs are playable only on SMI)... Then... Will SMI return as the MGS stage, or will we get a new stage?

 

[Ekans647]

Actually, that brings up another point. If Snake does return, and the codecs return as well, and the mechanic is the same (codecs are playable only on SMI)... Then... Will SMI return as the MGS stage, or will we get a new stage?

Hopefully both. SMI and Grozy Grad would be great. I see Big Shell as a more likely possibility due to it being easier to design.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Let's just stop talking, were not going anywhere with this shenanigans.

Sounds to me like you lost and you're salty about it! XD

Just remember, you brought it up. Don't be surprised that people expect you to finish it.