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[Wario Bros.]

Peter Pan is getting a horror movie.

First Winnie the Pooh, then the Grinch, and now this.

‘Peter Pan: Neverland Nightmare’ in the Works from ‘Winnie the Pooh’ Horror Movie Team

Rhys Frake-Waterfield, the director of the upcoming horror movie Winnie the Pooh: Blood and Honey, has revealed to The Hollywood Reporter today that not only is he working on a sequel to Blood and Honey, but he’s also developing a twisted take on another classic tale. The title of his next...

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Reminder that, unlike Winnie the Pooh, Peter Pan was always public domain

Still a stupid movie idea.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

In a century or so we'll be getting a Spongebob horror movie when the property goes into the public domain.

 

[Mamboo07]

Apparently so is Thor.

Wait until we get a Barney the Dinosaur horror movie. I feel that's one bound to happen. Lol.

Wonder how they'll do Peter in the movie, what he would be like.

Some kind of serial child kidnapper monster who kidnaps kids and takes them to Neverland and not letting them escape... who knows.

 

[osby]

Of course. Go ahead. Ruin the magic for everyone. This is why we need stronger copyright protections.

Disney isn't the original owner of Peter Pan, though.

This isn't any different than what they do, at least legally.

 

[Jondolio]

Of course. Go ahead. Ruin the magic for everyone. This is why we need stronger copyright protections.

You must be fun at parties

 

[TheMightyP]

This is why we need stronger copyright protections.

No the **** we don't

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Disney isn't the original owner of Peter Pan, though.

This isn't any different than what they do, at least legally.

One is true to the original source material. The other is a perversion that exists only for the shock value. It doesn’t matter who originally owned it. It matters who can be trusted with a story after the author no longer can.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

I don't want stronger copyright protections because of what Disney does when it gets its hands on copyrighted material.

 

[osby]

One is true to the original source material. The other is a perversion that exists only for the shock value. It doesn’t matter who originally owned it. It matters who can be trusted with a story after the author no longer can.

For starters, Disney's story is far from being true to the original Peter Pan. It's not their worst movie in that regard but it takes a lot of liberties with the book's plot and characters.

Second, who decides that Disney is the one who can be trusted and the others are not? On what basis? Having more money to pour into production value and marketing?

 

[CannonStreak]

If I recall correctly, many of the original version of the fairytale movies Disney makes, back long ago when they were made; they weren’t really for kids as they are especially nowadays, right?

 

[Mamboo07]

If I recall correctly, many of the original version of the fairytale movies Disney makes, back long ago when they were made; they weren’t really for kids as they are especially nowadays, right?

Yes

 

[CannonStreak]

Yes

I thought so. Disney made their versions kid friendly, so non-kid friendly versions of those tales aren’t exactly new.

 

[osby]

If I recall correctly, many of the original version of the fairytale movies Disney makes, back long ago when they were made; they weren’t really for kids as they are especially nowadays, right?

Depends on the source material but overall no, actually fairy tales were usually seen as something suitable for both children and adults. Grimm Brothers even rewrote some stories to be more appropriate for the children (of their era).

iirc, it was only around the 1800s that fairy tales began to be seen as strictly children's literature.

 

[CannonStreak]

Depends on the source material but overall no, actually fairy tales were usually seen as something suitable for both children and adults. Grimm Brothers even rewrote some stories to be more appropriate for the children (of their era).

iirc, it was only around the 1800s that fairy tales began to be seen as strictly children's literature.

I am pretty sure I meant before the 1800s, or is that not any different?

 

[osby]

I am pretty sure I meant before the 1800s, or is that not any different?

Still, I don't think there was a time when fairy tales were an "adults only" thing. There's a reason so many of them feature young kids as main characters.

I'm talking about Western ones, at least. 1001 Nights, for example, was widely considered too much even for grown-ups.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

One is true to the original source material. The other is a perversion that exists only for the shock value. It doesn’t matter who originally owned it. It matters who can be trusted with a story after the author no longer can.

Someone hasn't read the original story to Pinocchio.

Dark as **** that makes the Disney film seem tame in comparison.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Imagine a horror lion king

 

[Mamboo07]

Someone hasn't read the original story to Pinocchio.

Dark as **** that makes the Disney film seem tame in comparison.

Pinocchio accidentally getting his feet burned while he's sleeping.

Just the mere idea that you're lowering your guard and taking a nap and then waking up to discover that you've lost something as important as your feet is quite an uncomfortable image to say the least.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Pinocchio accidentally getting his feet burned while he's sleeping.

Just the mere idea that you're lowering your guard and taking a nap and then waking up to discover that you've lost something as important as your feet is quite an uncomfortable image to say the least.

Or Pinocchio killing Jiminey Cricket with a mallet.

 

[MooMew64]

Speaking as a pro preservationist, please do not push for more copyright shenanigans, that is absolutely not what the creative world needs.

I personally don't like these horror adaptations either, but please no, emulating and preserving things legally is already pain, please don't give companies like Nintendo or Disney leverage against us in the precarious position we're already in. I'm all for creators retaining creative control over how things are used publically and commercially, but like, Peter Pan is open domain, so...

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Oop, Knuckles time.

There was a problem fetching the tweet

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I thought so. Disney made their versions kid friendly, so non-kid friendly versions of those tales aren’t exactly new.

Pfffft tell that to Pinocchio, The Black Cauldron, The Hunchback of Notre Dame and Tarzan.

Granted still nowhere close as dark as their original source materials. Still very dark though regardless in terms of Disney standards.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

When the Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy has a more accurate depiction of Pinoke.

 

[CannonStreak]

Still, I don't think there was a time when fairy tales were an "adults only" thing. There's a reason so many of them feature young kids as main characters.

I'm talking about Western ones, at least. 1001 Nights, for example, was widely considered too much even for grown-ups.

What I meant, as Michael the Spikester said, was dark. That is what I meant. And dark stories aren't normally told to kids nowadays. Not that they were twisted, just dark.

But twisted or not, there may be a few times where there were some twisted versions of stories. If not, they could still happen anytime.

Don't take this as me refuting your point; it was SnakeFighter's point being refuted.

 

[TheMightyP]

Imagine a horror lion king

I mean it'd be tough to top Scar's death

 

[CannonStreak]

Pfffft tell that to Pinocchio, The Black Cauldron, The Hunchback of Notre Dame and Tarzan.

Granted still nowhere close as dark as their original source materials. Still very dark though regardless in terms of Disney standards.

Well, mostly kid friendly, whatever. I was trying to compare the Disney versions to those original source materials from long ago.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

thinking about how the MCU wasted a minor Killmonger remix of the Avengers theme on What If…but at least it got released, unlike the Russian opera remix and the 2 60s Spidey theme remixes they made

 

[Hadokeyblade]

My copy of Persona 5 on the switch showed up.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Took me two days to notice I didn't change my Halloween avatar.

Decided to go back to my all-time favorite and childhood character, Daggett!

 

[Shroob]

Fairy Tales?


Boy, my favorite's Cinderella.


Remember how the evil stepsisters mutilate their own feet to fit inside of the glass slipper, then get their eyes picked out by crows for their actions?



For kids.

 

[CannonStreak]

Well, apparently, while we are still on the subject and as osby said, the versions of the fairytales before Disney, original or not, were made for kids still, and remade as appropriate versions of them were made later. Still before that, even if the originals at least were for kids, there were still dark tones, so I don't think they were all sunshine and rainbows, but still for kids as osby said, perhaps.

That said, Disney did try to make their versions kid friendly. Try as in some of their attempts, as some or many (especially if we count villain deaths in many Disney movies) still had dark tones as Michael the Spikester said. Just wanted to do a little summary of the above if that is okay, even if it is still imperfect in any sense.

 

[TheMightyP]

Actually we should have stronger copyrights but all franchises are owned under me. You think Nintendo's bad, put me in I'll show them a true DMCA

 

[Shroob]

Actually we should have stronger copyrights but all franchises are owned under me. You think Nintendo's bad, put me in I'll show them a true DMCA

I'd prefer a YMCA.

 

[MooMew64]

I'd prefer a YMCA.

i'd prefer hamburger

 

[Shroob]

i'd prefer hamburger

Be careful what you wish for.

 

[Noipoi]

Imagine a horror lion king

Make a documentary-style movie that's basically the events of the lion king with real animals. No talking or singing or slapstick.

David Attenborough narrates.

 

[TheMightyP]

I prefer my thick ****ing ass

 

[Shroob]

I prefer my thick ****ing ass

Smashboards lore that MightyP got a dumptruck


Got it.

 

[Jondolio]

i'd prefer hamburger

I'd prefer a cheeseburger, it's only like 5 extra bucks in your American money right

 

[TheMightyP]

Smashboards lore that MightyP got a dumptruck


Got it.

Trust me it's canon irl