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[Metal Shop X]

So, it seems like the main design philosophy for the DLC characters are either:
Absurd range but subpar frame data.
Small disjoints but with godlike frame data.

And then there's Banjo and Plant.

Isn't Plant frama data alright?

Not the best but still quite decent all around? Especially on move like Bair?

 

[Lamperouge]

Isn't Plant frama data alright?

Not the best but still quite decent all around? Especially on move like Bair?

Bair is 14 frames, dude.

 

[ZephyrZ]

I mean, I can't help but think our views on DLC characters are painted somewhat by the fact that they are DLC. Lots of base roster characters have things that are pretty nutty.

"Most of Mario's aerials are safe on shield and he gets easy platform extensions? What were they thinking?"
"Why is the hitbox of Bowser's Fair so crazy? And he has a frame 6 command grab that kills?"
"Pikachu"
"Samus's tether grab range is insane! And if she's supposed to be bad up close, why did they give her a frame 3 out of shield option?"

While many of the DLC characters are strong, we've only seen Joker and maybe Min Min really dominate the metagame. I don't think they're trying to overpower the characters on purpose and if they are, they haven't been doing an amazing job with it.

Terry's Jab is still stupid though.

 

[Deleted member]

All I know about frame data and all this technical stuff is that I know nothing about them

 

[Dutch Raikuna]

I'll post this later.

 

[Metal Shop X]

Bair is 14 frames, dude.

Really?

Could sworn it wasn't too slow, but eh, maybe my memory is falling. That, or it's the hitbox being big enough that confused me.

Tho after a bit of research, it's noteworthy that patch 8.0.0 made Fair hit at frame 7, and all other aerial moves beside Bair hit before reaching double digit, so that's nice.

Really tho, I need more playtesting to be sure i'm not tricking myself. 'cuz I do remember some clunky aspect of Plant pre-patches. (and how dumb & good neutral B was)

 

[TheMightyP]

Isn't Plant frama data alright?

Not the best but still quite decent all around? Especially on move like Bair?

Its startup is fine, but its endlag and landing lag is super weird

 

[Aetheri]

I mean, I can't help but think our views on DLC characters are painted somewhat by the fact that they are DLC. Lots of base roster characters have things that are pretty nutty.

"Most of Mario's aerials are safe on shield and he gets easy platform extensions? What were they thinking?"
"Why is the hitbox of Bowser's Fair so crazy? And he has a frame 6 command grab that kills?"
"Pikachu"
"Samus's tether grab range is insane! And if she's supposed to be bad up close, why did they give her a frame 3 out of shield option?"

While many of the DLC characters are strong, we've only seen Joker and maybe Min Min really dominate the metagame. I don't think they're trying to overpower the characters on purpose and if they are, they haven't been doing an amazing job with it.

Terry's Jab is still stupid though.

"Little Mac has a Frame 1 Jab, super armour on his Smash attacks and an instant KO super punch that ignores shields, this character's just straight broken!"

 

[Metal Shop X]

Its startup is fine, but its endlag and landing lag is super weird

Yeah, just looked it up, it's more the end of the move that is hard to get use to.

Granted, a move with this much power need some drawback, but I can imagine how clunky it must be in some situations.

Plant is just a weird character all around, which you can take as a good or bad thing, but idk, kinda had better memories with him than say, Banjo & Byleth. (Nothing against BB, I swear)

 

[TheMightyP]

I mean, I can't help but think our views on DLC characters are painted somewhat by the fact that they are DLC. Lots of base roster characters have things that are pretty nutty.

"Most of Mario's aerials are safe on shield and he gets easy platform extensions? What were they thinking?"
"Why is the hitbox of Bowser's Fair so crazy? And he has a frame 6 command grab that kills?"
"Pikachu"
"Samus's tether grab range is insane! And if she's supposed to be bad up close, why did they give her a frame 3 out of shield option?"

While many of the DLC characters are strong, we've only seen Joker and maybe Min Min really dominate the metagame. I don't think they're trying to overpower the characters on purpose and if they are, they haven't been doing an amazing job with it.

Terry's Jab is still stupid though.

For what it's worth, they did a very good job balancing the characters considering the absolute ****fest that was Smash 4's DLC balancing.

Like, the worst (besides Plant) is Banjo, and he's just a solid mid tier. And it's not like we're seeing everyone play Joker with a pocket Min Min like how Smash 4 everyone played Bayo or babymoded with Cloud.

Edit: sorry, the worst is Byleth, but still mid tier

 

[Metal Shop X]

Plant Up-Tilt hitting on frames 6 is kinda smooth, gotta say.

Certainly alot better than Banjo up-tilt having the hitbox size of a rat (when it come to hitting it front of it), and not the good kind or annoying one kind of rat.

Sephiroth & Snake look at this & laugh.

 

[TheMightyP]

Plant Up-Tilt hitting on frames 6 is kinda smooth, gotta say.

Certainly alot better than Banjo up-tilt having the hitbox size of a rat (when it come to hitting it front of it), and not the good kind or annoying one kind of rat.

Sephiroth & Snake look at this & laugh.

Meanwhile, Hero

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I thought it through, the more I thought about it. These would be my top 5 favorite Disney films.

1. Pinocchio
2. The Lion King
3. Tarzan
4. The Hunchback of Notre Dame
5. Mulan

In the case of Pinocchio and Lion King, bias plays a part. Pinocchio grew up being my favorite Disney film and grew up watching it lots, Lion King, as I probably mentioned before has a special place in my heart, the only form of media that IMO earns its overratedness, it was the first movie I saw in theaters as a kid and nothing can replace that feeling.

That said though, I still gotta get Pinocchio on disc whether DVD or Blu-Ray. Crime I still don't own a copy of my favorite Disney film.

 

[Deleted member]

Here comes the puppers!!! Wademan94 Hat N' Clogs
https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/l7qhdu

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Here comes the puppers!!! Wademan94 Hat N' Clogs
https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/l7qhdu

Hey buddies! ^_^

 

[Metal Shop X]

Meanwhile, Hero

Dat endlag tho.

Yeah in fact, I think Hero being so slow in general (movement & frama data wise) kinda took my enjoyement out of him, similar to Byleth.

Really, I hope the range creep can finally stop after Sephi. I wish it stoped earlier, but while his frama date is yikes, Sephi is actually pretty mobiles for a swordfighters, so if one of the next DLC could be just as fast without all the ranges that cause fighters to be so slow or just average speed wise, I be pretty happy.

That all said, getting really late here, sooooo, good night folks, and remember:

The Scatman is always with you when you need help.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Well off to watch Gamera: Guardian of the Universe.

The start of my Kaiju Marathon.

 

[Dutch Raikuna]

I'll post my story later.

Really, really have **** timing on those posts I want to do like telling stories and stuff. If it wasn't for tagging people they'd get buried to hell. I know people here don't hate me (I think) of course but it plays in the mind, proof I'm still growing mentally.
Just had a terrible luck of the draw sometimes, which is funny being Irish as we're usually meant to have luck on our side. Runs in my blood.

Ticks me off.

 

[Wademan94]

Here comes the puppers!!! Wademan94 Hat N' Clogs

Seems a little mean to do to that cat, especially considering he has what looks to be a chew toy around his neck.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Heh. Remember Mii Costume Theory? Glad that died.

 

[TheMightyP]

Dat endlag tho.

Yeah in fact, I think Hero being so slow in general (movement & frama data wise) kinda took my enjoyement out of him, similar to Byleth.

Really, I hope the range creep can finally stop after Sephi. I wish it stoped earlier, but while his frama date is yikes, Sephi is actually pretty mobiles for a swordfighters, so if one of the next DLC could be just as fast without all the ranges that cause fighters to be so slow or just average speed wise, I be pretty happy.

That all said, getting really late here, sooooo, good night folks, and remember:

The Scatman is always with you when you need help.

The range creep does need to end, the ****'s getting annoying now.

Also, fun fact: Hero and Sephiroth have nearly the exact same run speed. Hero's 31st and Sephiroth's 30th in terms of ground speed.

Hero's faster in the air.

 

[Deleted member]

Seems a little mean to do to that cat, especially considering he has what looks to be a chew toy around his neck.

yeah you’re probably right. Least the cat managed to get away

 

[Wademan94]

yeah you’re probably right. Least the cat managed to get away

Yeah I was gonna say the cat wasn’t having any of that

 

[Deleted member]

So i get home...... only to learn that I’m going back to all in person again(except for Wednesdays because that’s still a work day) -_-

It’s only me and like a select group of people(maybe like 5-6 tops, counting me?) so it’s not like my experience will be that different. But there goes my 2 days a week of sitting at home and making ramen.

 

[Dutch Raikuna]

Just saying but a bad effect of the Trump era is that I've been reading the news far, far more out of anxiety. You know, just in case him or Boris or someone started a war out of stupidity.

Now with a bit more sanity back into the world I'm hoping to read news far, far less.

It............. hasn't worked out.
Welcome to realising how stupid the world is or Adulthood for short.

 

[Aurane]

After 3 hours of traversing the Nether in Minecraft to find a nether fortress only to be forced to recreate a new portal after getting lost and having to travel 3500+ blocks back to my home, I have come to a relatively simple conclusion;

**** this game.

Never mind. I'll find it later.

 

[Deleted member]

backpack birbs

i dunno why they just suddenly flew up to my backpacks but I’m not complaining

 

[Noipoi]

You ever have a dream where someone you love dies and you’re super depressed, but then you wake up and you’re like “oh ****, everything’s cool”

 

[TheMightyP]

You ever have a dream where someone you love dies and you’re super depressed, but then you wake up and you’re like “oh ****, everything’s cool”

Ever had a dream that you woke up but you didn't actually do so irl and you just kept "waking up" in an endless cycle until you actually wake up?

 

[Hat N' Clogs]

You ever have a dream where someone you love dies and you’re super depressed, but then you wake up and you’re like “oh ****, everything’s cool”

That's happened to me on multiple occasions. I remember most of them.

 

[Dutch Raikuna]

You ever have a dream where someone you love dies and you’re super depressed, but then you wake up and you’re like “oh ****, everything’s cool”

Nope, suprisingly.

Ever had a dream that you woke up but you didn't actually do so irl and you just kept "waking up" in an endless cycle until you actually wake up?

Yes.

Ever had dreams where characters from games and stuff appear and it feels so real? Then you wake up and your like "am I in the Matrix?" then your mind goes back to normal 10 minutes later.

 

[Lamperouge]

You ever have a dream where someone you love dies and you’re super depressed, but then you wake up and you’re like “oh ****, everything’s cool”

No, but have you ever had a dream that that you um you had you'd you would you could you'd do you wi you wants you you could do so you you'd do you could you you want you want him to do you so much you could do anything?

: )

 

[Wademan94]

No, but have you ever had a dream that that you um you had you'd you would you could you'd do you wi you wants you you could do so you you'd do you could you you want you want him to do you so much you could do anything?

: )

I was tempted to make that reference

 

[Dutch Raikuna]

Wait I'll go better.

Has anyone had a dream where the forum was in the dream? I'll admit has happened to me.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Man. Travis Touchdown should have been in smash. So many amazing characters in Mii Costume/Assist Trophy Jail. It’s frustrating.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Wait I'll go better.

Has anyone had a dream where the forum was in the dream? I'll admit has happened to me.

I remember having multiple dreams where the next Smash character was revealed and I come on here to talk about it v

 

[Deleted member]

You ever have a dream where someone you love dies and you’re super depressed, but then you wake up and you’re like “oh ****, everything’s cool”

Do mii’s count? cause I remember one nightmare I had were that exact thing happened but with mii’s instead

 

[Noipoi]

Do mii’s count? cause I remember one nightmare I had were that exact thing happened but with mii’s instead

My man taking Tomadachi Life a lil too seriously.

 

[Aurane]

I worry about my mii too. Mostly my Sans Mii. I'm afraid one day some edgy little ***** will do a genocide route and murder my mii in the effort to 100% the game instead of just accepting what is the best ending in being Pacifist.

I also worry about my Mona Lisa Mii, but that's for a completely different reason.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

So what's this about Microsoft buying SEGA?