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[Michael the Spikester]

Sympathetic villains can work by the way, they just have to be executed well.

Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader a notable example, in the eyes of everyone he'll always be seen as a monster for what he had done but forgiven by his son.

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Which will also seem to be the case for Omni-Man following the comics in Invincible.

Then we have ones who are just pure malice for the sake of being evil like King Ghidorah and Ridley.

 

[Wademan94]

They...

They didn't, right? Please tell me that's not the motive.

...Was that the best they could come up with? Seriously?

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I NEED CONTEXT!!!

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I owe you an apology for thinking they wouldn't give her some stupid backstory to make the audience sympathize with her, Michael the Spikester

Here’s the scene with Danganropa music because I couldn’t find any other version atm

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[Michael the Spikester]

The superhero/comic genre is literally never going to die, as it continues to get stronger and stronger from nearly all the divisions every single year

I mean to be fair every decade had its time.

80s was slasher and horror films.
90s was action films.
Last decade and this has superheroes.

It's a phase that fly eventually. Give it time. From how things seem to be now with Rampage, Sonic the Hedgehog, Detective Pikachu, Angry Birds, video game movies could be the next big thing in cinema eventually. I'm feeling the upcoming animated Mario movie is gonna be its peak as 2012's Avengers was for superhero movies.

 

[Aurane]

Aurane I think you’ll like this?

Haha little s**** goes boom~♡

 

[MooMew64]

Here’s the scene with Danganropa music because I couldn’t find any other version atm

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dang y'all

fs in the chat

liek if u cri evry tim

 

[Metal Shop X]

Feel like some writters really dread their vilains being called flat one note evil *******, and see sympathic backstory as the most, perhaps only, way to make their vilains more interesting.

Which I mean, yeah, sometime they try too hard with those backstory and they are other way to make a vilain interesting without resorting to "muh sad past", but I say that, it's really tempting and hard to not resort to it at time. (atleast if you're a novice writter like me, haha...)

That and the backstory can conflict with their evil act, to a point that it ended up being Freudian Excuse is No Excuse, and not in a good way, sooo yeah, sometime, evil can be just evil for simples reasons.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I get up from a nap and this is what I wake up to. Wow I'm still trying to fathom this...

Joker sucked but it did super well so expect tons more half-baked sympathetic villain films and sequels to them.

As in your opinion or the movie as a whole? Because its the first R-rated film to have hit a billion dollars against only a $50-$70 million dollar budget.

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I owe you an apology for thinking they wouldn't give her some stupid backstory to make the audience sympathize with her, Michael the Spikester

Shouldn't be a surprise given this was Disney and we know how they are today pulling off woke crap.

 

[Noipoi]

I’m personally writing a villain who’s an unrepentant, absolute scumbag and enjoys every minute of it. But I like to think I’ve found a way to make her interesting without a sob story attached. She’s just fun to write, and I hope she’s fun to watch as well.

Y’know, whenever this project that’s in it’s very very early stages is actually done.

In like, fifteen years maybe.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Goes to show overall. Go watch Joker instead, it does the whole sympathizing the villain route much better then Cruella ever had.

I expected Joker to suck giving it crap, decided to give it a chance and exceeded my expectations, all while I was looking forward to It: Chapter Two which proved to be the opposite.

 

[Wademan94]

Sympathetic villains work when they’re done well, though it depends by the context and how it’s handled. If they aren’t meant to be redeemed by the end (Zuko and Iroh) then they serve as a reminder that just like anyone is capable of doing great good, they are just as capable of doing great evil.

But making a sympathetic person out of Cruella, a psychopathic woman who wishes to make fur coats out of puppies, just doesn’t work.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Sympathetic villains work when they’re done well, though it depends by the context and how it’s handled. If they aren’t meant to be redeemed by the end (Zuko and Iroh) then they serve as a reminder that just like anyone is capable of doing great good, they are just as capable of doing great evil.

But making a sympathetic person out of Cruella, a psychopathic woman who wishes to make fur coats out of puppies, just doesn’t work.

Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader and Arthur Fleck (Joker) are other notable examples of well-executed sympathetic villains as well.

 

[dezeray112]

The superhero/comic genre is literally never going to die, as it continues to get stronger and stronger from nearly all the divisions every single year

I've been a long time fan of the superhero/comic genre for quite a while since the 90's when I first watched the animated series of Spider-Man (with Christopher Daniel Barnes.)

I do agree that ever since the introduction of the Marvel Cinematic Universe and the DC Extended Universe etc, the interest demand for the superhero genre is a lot more stronger than before.

 

[KillerCage]

Here’s the scene with Danganropa music because I couldn’t find any other version atm

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Spoiler: [B][SIZE=5]WHYYYY!?!?[/SIZE][/B]

Why did the dalmatians knock Cruella's mom over the cliff!?
Do they have no sense of self-preservation!?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I've been a long time fan of the superhero/comic genre for quite a while since the 90's when I first watched the animated series of Spider-Man (with Christopher Daniel Barnes.)

I do agree that ever since the introduction of the Marvel Cinematic Universe and the DC Extended Universe etc, the interest demand for the superhero genre is a lot more stronger than before.

Just a reminder there will be a time in a place when superheroes do eventually fade. It probably just won't be for a while.

As mentioned the late 70s/80s was all about slasher and horror films, 90s being notable for action films. Just saying, this ain't no different.

 

[Noipoi]

Just a reminder there will be a time in a place when superheroes do eventually fade. It probably just won't be for a while.

As mentioned the late 70s/80s was all about slasher and horror films, 90s being notable for action films. Just saying.

And talking dog films will rise.

 

[KingBooGengar57]

And talking dog films will rise.

Yeah! Rooby-Roo!

 

[Michael the Spikester]

And given the recent video game adaptions of movies. I'm honestly expecting video game movies to peak by the time the animated Mario movie comes out.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Did y’all see the **** they’re pulling with the Cruella movie?

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HOW DID THEY SCREW THIS UP SO BADLY?!

 

[Wademan94]

Btw, looking at Wikipedia, a mid-credits scene tried to tie it in to the original story in the DUMBEST way possible and they did not think through the implications.

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It turns out Pango and Perdita are the children of one of the dogs that killed Cruella’s mom. Note that I said ONE

 

[Wario Bros.]

Has anyone else played Bomberman R Online? It's a really cool battle royale game IMO.

The fact this game was supposed to be a Google Stadia exclusive is a big OOF.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I knew I was right about Disney villain origin movies being a dumb concept to begin with. Had every right to be cynical and wary of what Disney is capable of.

Them and their woke bull****.

Disney please just stick to making animated films, that's where you're at best. No more live-action remakes of your animated classics, no more Disney villain origin movies, just stick to what your best at.

 

[Wademan94]

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Spoiler: [B][SIZE=5]WHYYYY!?!?[/SIZE][/B]

Why did the dalmatians knock Cruella's mom over the cliff!?
Do they have no sense of self-preservation!?

Because the villain of the film told them too.

 

[Noipoi]

Btw, looking at Wikipedia, a mid-credits scene tried to tie it in to the original story in the DUMBEST way possible and they did not think through the implications.

Spoiler: Slightly disturbing spoilers

It turns out Pango and Perdita are the children of one of the dogs that killed Cruella’s mom. Note that I said ONE

Dog-cest. Wooh hooh!

 

[KillerCage]

Sympathetic villains work when they’re done well, though it depends by the context and how it’s handled. If they aren’t meant to be redeemed by the end (Zuko and Iroh) then they serve as a reminder that just like anyone is capable of doing great good, they are just as capable of doing great evil.

But making a sympathetic person out of Cruella, a psychopathic woman who wishes to make fur coats out of puppies, just doesn’t work.

I would also throw in Solidus Snake (Metal Gear Solid 2), Count Bleck (Super Paper Mario), Egil (Xenoblade Chronicles), and Merlina (Sonic and the Black Knight.)

 

[Michael the Spikester]

So we have Predators wanting to weaponize autism being the next step in evolution.

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Then we have Wonder Woman literally date ****** a poor guy whose body is taken over by Steve. Also the same happening to Akeem in Coming 2 America which was played for laughs minus the whole body possession.

And now this crap.

To this probably ain't gonna be the end. Expect to see more dumb crap like this in future movies. These directors and writers need to be fired.

 

[TheMightyP]

There's nothing wring with a sympathetic villian, but yeah, gimme one who's just bat**** evil because they feel like it.

 

[KillerCage]

Btw, looking at Wikipedia, a mid-credits scene tried to tie it in to the original story in the DUMBEST way possible and they did not think through the implications.

Spoiler: Slightly disturbing spoilers

It turns out Pango and Perdita are the children of one of the dogs that killed Cruella’s mom. Note that I said ONE

ENOUGH OF THIS (&@%!

 

[TheCJBrine]

something about the scene just feels stupid, maybe it’s the way the woman just watches the cgi dogs charge her while she continues to stand next to the cliff idk.

also couldn’t the villain have pushed her herself I mean either way she murdered her.

 

[duxx]

wtf is this lmao

 

[TheMightyP]

I think the best part of that scene is the sick ass totally not CGI'd flip Cruella's mom did over the cliff.

 

[KingBooGengar57]

There's nothing wring with a sympathetic villian, but yeah, gimme one who's just bat**** evil because they feel like it.

I prefer them to be done well.

 

[TheMightyP]

I prefer them to be done well.

I mean, yeah, but gimme someone who just wants the world to burn just cause. I miss that ****.

 

[Noipoi]

I prefer them to be done well.

I prefer them medium rare

 

[Wademan94]

There's nothing wring with a sympathetic villian, but yeah, gimme one who's just bat**** evil because they feel like it.

And that’s why most other versions of the Joker work, especially the Heath Ledger version.

Ledger and Pheonix Jokers are completely different takes but both are effective in their own ways

 

[Megadoomer]

Wait really? Then why are there so many people who think he was right?

There are people who think that the Empire from Star Wars is in the right, or that the demons from Doom are innocent victims being targeted by Doomguy. (though I've only seen one person with that last opinion) People will twist the narrative to justify anything.

 

[Metal Shop X]

I’m personally writing a villain who’s an unrepentant, absolute scumbag and enjoys every minute of it. But I like to think I’ve found a way to make her interesting without a sob story attached. She’s just fun to write, and I hope she’s fun to watch as well.

Y’know, whenever this project that’s in it’s very very early stages is actually done.

In like, fifteen years maybe.

I do have lots of vilains with more or less sad backstory, which I feel more or less well about (there's one i'm currently not feeling it atm, and i'm afraid some feel too similar in some aspects), but they are a few I made who are just **** because they either love being ass or because it just work well better for them that if they were good.

It's really tough I say, but I do try to make sure that whatever past I give them, their current self are still distinct enough & memorable on their own. (and if they're similar, I make sure to make a point there)

Like this girl here?

(yes i'm showing off a drawing I made out of nowhere)

She work with Death lookin' dude I showed a couple of pages back, she love playing (I let you imagine what kind of play) & killing/absorbing peoples using her shapeshifting Thing-like power, and she has commited alot of atrocity in her loooong life span, either or her own or on her brother/Death order. Yet she still act like a fun gremlin when not on missions (especially with her brother around, which she love dearly), if you didn't know who she was, she be a very fun person to talk to, she is very curious about the world around her and the culture she infilitrate, kids are one of the rare thing she prefer sparing (unless orderer to do so) & not play with in any circustance, and she see act of absorbing peoples as a way of experiencing the same wonder she does, and preferable to killing them & let Death take their souls.

All around, not a good person by any mean, but she has a logic that she like to follow & make sense to her, and while I won't spoil her backstory, it's not as tragic as others characters I got.

Brief, thanks for coming to my TED talk, and hopefully it all make sense.

 

[Schnee117]

So we have Predators wanting to weaponize autism being the next step in evolution.

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Then we have Wonder Woman literally date ****** a poor guy whose body is taken over by Steve.

And now this crap.

To this probably ain't gonna be the end. Expect to see more dumb crap like this in future movies. These directors and writers need to be fired.

Cruella's motivation having a dumb source isn't remotely comparable to those two.
It's dumb as hell but lets be real here, it doesn't actually have extremely problematic connotations like the other two do.

I prefer them medium rare

As long as they aren't ****ing raw

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Finally settling down.

I still can't believe they went with this route. Why do people hire these writers?

 

[duxx]

I prefer them medium rare

i come back for 5 ****ing minutes and noi's already making stupid puns

 

[Wademan94]

There are people who think that the Empire from Star Wars is in the right, or that the demons from Doom are innocent victims being targeted by Doomguy. People will twist the narrative to justify anything.

Hell, there’s people who believe Syndrome, the guy who committed superhero genocide over being told to go home was right