The Sassy Princess of Sarasaland: Daisy for SSB4 (A New Daisy for Smash Thread Opens See Pg. 197)

[ChikoLad]

But I thought Mario Party games were not canon.

But that artwork isn't an event. Canon refers to events, not character traits. Mario and Peach's character traits carry over into spin offs. Including the fact they are a couple. And if you need evidence that they are, Rosalina always calls Peach Mario's "special one" in both Galaxy games.

 

[memoryman3]

But that artwork isn't an event. Canon refers to events, not character traits. Mario and Peach's character traits carry over into spin offs. Including the fact they are a couple. And if you need evidence that they are, Rosalina always calls Peach Mario's "special one" in both Galaxy games.

Speaking of Mario canon, did you know that in 2013 Miyamoto said that Wario and Daisy weren't incorporated in the main games because of their "Super Mario Land" styles? You can find the rest of the interview if you look at my post history!

 

[Ark of Silence101]

But that artwork isn't an event. Canon refers to events, not character traits. Mario and Peach's character traits carry over into spin offs. Including the fact they are a couple. And if you need evidence that they are, Rosalina always calls Peach Mario's "special one" in both Galaxy games.

What I didn't like in Galaxy is that they got lazy with the script, seriously, just because it's non-canon doesn't mean Peach is Luigi's special one.

 

[Ark of Silence101]

I hate dogs, butmy favourite is the boxer. The pups look so cute.

Back on topic, has ANYONE found a source for that interview yet?

Which?

 

[memoryman3]

Which?

The one where Daisy was supposedly cut from New Super Luigi U.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Back on topic, has ANYONE found a source for that interview yet?

> Never answers my question when I ask for a source
> Source nowhere to be found on the Internet

I can already tell the two are laughing their ***es off at this very moment and knew that they have no source to back up their claims. We saw every Mario related interview to this very day and not a single one even referenced Daisy except for the one that explains why she and Wario can't be in a Mario game (Mostly due to differing artstyles). At this point, it might as well be a baseless rumor like the many fake Smash leaks out there.

 

[Ark of Silence101]

The one where Daisy was supposedly cut from New Super Luigi U.

As much as i want to believe this, I don't think there was even an interview in the first place.....

 

[FalKoopa]

Let's get back to Daisy, hm?

EDIT: Too late. Carry on~

 

[Ark of Silence101]

Let's get back to Daisy, hm?

EDIT: Too late. Carry on~

No, you are right, hmmm, oh I know! Do you guys really think Nintendo will answer the demand the voted Mario characters in the ballot have?

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

@Nintendotard, your Final Smash had been added to the moveset in the OP at the moment.

No, you are right, hmmm, oh I know! Do you guys really think Nintendo will answer the demand the voted Mario characters in the ballot have?

With Iwata gone, the other higher ups like Tezuka and Miyamoto would have to be the ones to the look at it (especially the latter since he's the stand-in president until they can hire a new one). That's both a good and a bad thing since he's the one who has the most influence over what happens in the Mario franchise while he might not be that good when it comes to influencing Sakurai over the right DLC characters (or future roster choices).

We won't really know until he would have to be called in by the Smash team to look over the ballot. It would be something good to do for Iwata while he's gone, even though his relationship with Sakurai is highly ambiguous at best.

 

[Ark of Silence101]

@Nintendotard, your Final Smash had been added to the moveset in the OP at the moment.


With Iwata gone, the other higher ups like Tezuka and Miyamoto would have to be the ones to the look at it (especially the latter since he's the stand-in president until they can hire a new one). That's both a good and a bad thing since he's the one who has the most influence over what happens in the Mario franchise while he might not be that good when it comes to influencing Sakurai over the right DLC characters (or future roster choices).

We won't really know until he would have to be called in by the Smash team to look over the ballot. It would be something good to do for Iwata while he's gone, even though his relationship with Sakurai is highly ambiguous at best.

Agreed. Then I guess the only true answer for now is to wait.

 

[FalKoopa]

No, you are right, hmmm, oh I know! Do you guys really think Nintendo will answer the demand the voted Mario characters in the ballot have?

Hard to say. Miyamoto, while a great game designer, isn't that good of a director, I think. Given how Sticker Star turned out under his direction.

It's up to Sakurai, really. Nintendo can't force him too much

 

[memoryman3]

Hard to say. Miyamoto, while a great game designer, isn't that good of a director, I think. Given how Sticker Star turned out under his direction.

It's up to Sakurai, really. Nintendo can't force him too much

What was so bad about Sticker Star?

 

[HanAmes]

Yeah, exactly, it's from Mario Party which means it's muhspinofffodder and you should treat it as non-existing even if it happens for 20 years.

Imo, some spinoffs are more fun than the actual cannon Mario games. They definitely have re-playability instead of just 'getting through the game,' more of a roster of characters, and actual competing with the other player.

It really seems that the cannon Mario Games get too much credit, where spinoffs aren't that actually bad, either.

 

[memoryman3]

Imo, some spinoffs are more fun than the actual cannon Mario games. They definitely have re-playability instead of just 'getting through the game,' more of a roster of characters, and actual competing with the other player.

It really seems that the cannon Mario Games get too much credit, where spinoffs aren't that actually bad, either.

All in all, the spinoffs represent completely different genres to the "main games", so they aren't comparable....

 

[ChikoLad]

Hard to say. Miyamoto, while a great game designer, isn't that good of a director, I think. Given how Sticker Star turned out under his direction.

It's up to Sakurai, really. Nintendo can't force him too much

Miyamoto isn't a bad director at all actually...just a primitive one. I'm really disappointed he's heading Star Fox: Zero. Star Fox has outgrown Miyamoto IMO.

What was so bad about Sticker Star?

Miyamoto basically hijacked the game and removed pretty much all of the story and gags, specifically demanded Bowser remain silent, and made the game super easy and basically play itself because "muh accessibility".

 

[SuperSegaSonicSS]

http://robaato.deviantart.com/art/Princesses-Night-Out-548821532

 

[memoryman3]

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Miyamoto isn't a bad director at all actually...just a primitive one. I'm really disappointed he's heading Star Fox: Zero. Star Fox has outgrown Miyamoto IMO.



Miyamoto basically hijacked the game and removed pretty much all of the story and gags, specifically demanded Bowser remain silent, and made the game super easy and basically play itself because "muh accessibility".

So you're saying that with Paper Mario Sticker Star, they threw out the story part and partner mechanic that everyone loved and made it more like a fetch quest?

 

[FalKoopa]

So you're saying that with Paper Mario Sticker Star, they threw out the story part and partner mechanic that everyone loved and made it more like a fetch quest?

If you want a full list of reasons why Sticker Star was a bad game, read @ aldelaro5 's review in the Paper Mario thread. He ripped the game apart in his review.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Well I'll be damned. Can't tell if this is the work of Michaellol's alts or the real fans arrived to help her out in Blue's poll. This is actually kind of surprising to see so many yeses for Daisy after a few days. Though the small indifference isn't all that since few people are indifferent of the character.

 

[memoryman3]

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Well I'll be damned. Can't tell if this is the work of Michaellol's alts or the real fans arrived to help her out in Blue's poll. This is actually kind of surprising to see so many yeses for Daisy after a few days. Though the small indifference isn't all that since few people are indifferent of the character.

Just to let you know, that poll is IP blocked, unlike GoogleDocs.

 

[smashkirby]

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Well I'll be damned. Can't tell if this is the work of Michaellol's alts or the real fans arrived to help her out in Blue's poll. This is actually kind of surprising to see so many yeses for Daisy after a few days. Though the small indifference isn't all that since few people are indifferent of the character.

WOW. That's amazing! When I first voted, Princess Daisy was voted NO so much, I lost faith in her for a little while, but seeing this...Just wow.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Did you know that Daisy also has a trophy in the 3DS version as "Daisy in her tennis outift", as a pair with Peach in her tennis outfit?
DIHTO's description reads something like this:

"Just like Peach, Daisy relies on her technique. Besides that, she can also hit hard!
Would the calming pink and energetic orange stand for their temperament?
With which princess do you rather hit the court?
Or don't you have a favorite?"

The more you know....

 

[aldelaro5]

If you want a full list of reasons why Sticker Star was a bad game, read @ aldelaro5 's review in the Paper Mario thread. He ripped the game apart in his review.

So you're saying that with Paper Mario Sticker Star, they threw out the story part and partner mechanic that everyone loved and made it more like a fetch quest?

well.....if you really care for the long version:

http://smashboards.com/threads/thin...-luigi-paper-jam.324473/page-52#post-19166400

The short version is basically that this game is kinda messed up in what it is trying to do. I hardly call it an rpg and tbh, i can;t identify what it is really. it;s not like spm, I can tell you it's both rpg and platformer bridged together, but SS......I can't.

Then you have to deal with other issues like the logistic being....rushed (I felt playing a game in the 90's because these couldn't do much in that department) and the complete absence of interesting plot. The mehcanics that made Paper Mario so good were cut, but this is not like spm where spm had REALLY legit reasons to try to not have some, but SS is.....really hard to feel paper mario.

You kinda have to read the review tbh.

Btw, how this got in the daisy thread?

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Did you know that Daisy also has a trophy in the 3DS version as "Daisy in her tennis outift", as a pair with Peach in her tennis outfit?
DIHTO's description reads something like this:

"Just like Peach, Daisy relies on her technique. Besides that, she can also hit hard!
Would the calming pink and energetic orange stand for their temperament?
With which princess do you rather hit the court?
Or don't you have a favorite?"

The more you know....

So Nintendo knew that DIHSO would be a thing on the internet? Who would have known but the same guys referencing memes on the Smash Facebook page.

 

[memoryman3]

So Nintendo knew that DIHSO would be a thing on the internet? Who would have known but the same guys referencing memes on the Smash Facebook page.

"Peach and Daisy are similar in a lot of ways"

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

"Peach and Daisy are similar in a lot of ways"

Of course, how can we not forget the main reason why she exists and that most partners in spinoffs are merely supposed to be counterparts of each other.

/sarcasm

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Of course, how can we not forget the main reason why she exists and that most partners in spinoffs are merely supposed to be counterparts of each other.

/sarcasm

Spin-offs?
Don't say those things here!

Special main-stream space ponies godesses read this too!
Egh, disgusting.

How dare you to say those words.

Also partners don't exist to me because spin-offs are the scum of the earth.

/ultraspaceponysarcasm

 

[memoryman3]

Spin-offs?
Don't say those things here!

Special main-stream space ponies godesses read this too!
Egh, disgusting.

How dare you to say those words.

Also partners don't exist to me because spin-offs are the scum of the earth.

/ultraspaceponysarcasm

It's not like spinoff characters have ever appeared in Smash right?

 

[aldelaro5]

Miyamoto isn't a bad director at all actually...just a primitive one. I'm really disappointed he's heading Star Fox: Zero. Star Fox has outgrown Miyamoto IMO.



Miyamoto basically hijacked the game and removed pretty much all of the story and gags, specifically demanded Bowser remain silent, and made the game super easy and basically play itself because "muh accessibility".

oh btw I guess I should mention this, but I honestly don;t have much reasons to blame myamoto much.

What I think really happened is nintendo simply wasn;t aware of what peopkle wanted. A survey from club nintendo told that most didn;t care about the story of spm, do a quick google, it's clearly not the case.

To me, I think this is how I would "justify" myamoto's decisions and this is why I more blame the poor communication than myamoto alone.

HOWEVER, I will say, the simple act of shifting the project WAS a bad decision. if it stayed like it was, no delay, it would be not shockingly different than what was presented and everyone would be happy. The problem is again, Nintendo are conservative so tbh, it;s kinda expected for them to do it if they don;t feel safe. Still, a bit too conservative here considering the poor communication.

One thing is sure: I love IS for wanting to do soemthing we wanted. It;s just a matter of nintendo understanding it which now, I believe they really got it thanks to paper jam

 

[WeirdChillFever]

It's not like spinoff characters have ever appeared in Smash right?

Ugh no don't bring that up.
At least Waluigi is where he belongs along with the rest of the non-canon hooligans.
Only Galaxy is good the rest shouldn't even be passed off as a game with their plebian antics.

Good thing things other than Galaxy don't exist in muhcanon.

Ugh, those non-canon scum supporters didn't even notice I'm sarcastic

/ultraspaceponysarcasm

 

[KeyFortune]

Ugh no don't bring that up.
At least Waluigi is where he belongs along with the rest of the non-canon hooligans.
Only Galaxy is good the rest shouldn't even be passed off as a game with their plebian antics.

Good thing things other than Galaxy don't exist in muhcanon.

-> ->

 

[WeirdChillFever]

-> ->

/ultraspaceponysarcasm

 

[SuperSegaSonicSS]

Ugh no don't bring that up.
At least Waluigi is where he belongs along with the rest of the non-canon hooligans.
Only Galaxy is good the rest shouldn't even be passed off as a game with their plebian antics.

Good thing things other than Galaxy don't exist in muhcanon.

Not sure if serious or...dedication of preferences....

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Not sure if serious or...dedication of preferences....

/ultraspaceponysarcasm

 

[SuperSegaSonicSS]

/ultraspaceponysarcasm

I noticed. You should have put that first before afterwards, imo.

 

[memoryman3]

oh btw I guess I should mention this, but I honestly don;t have much reasons to blame myamoto much.

What I think really happened is nintendo simply wasn;t aware of what peopkle wanted. A survey from club nintendo told that most didn;t care about the story of spm, do a quick google, it's clearly not the case.

To me, I think this is how I would "justify" myamoto's decisions and this is why I more blame the poor communication than myamoto alone.

HOWEVER, I will say, the simple act of shifting the project WAS a bad decision. if it stayed like it was, no delay, it would be not shockingly different than what was presented and everyone would be happy. The problem is again, Nintendo are conservative so tbh, it;s kinda expected for them to do it if they don;t feel safe. Still, a bit too conservative here considering the poor communication.

One thing is sure: I love IS for wanting to do soemthing we wanted. It;s just a matter of nintendo understanding it which now, I believe they really got it thanks to paper jam

So this being the Daisy thread and all, do you happen to support her inclusion in Smash by any chance?

/ultraspaceponysarcasm

Just edit that in and you'll be fine!

 

[ChikoLad]

oh btw I guess I should mention this, but I honestly don;t have much reasons to blame myamoto much.

What I think really happened is nintendo simply wasn;t aware of what peopkle wanted. A survey from club nintendo told that most didn;t care about the story of spm, do a quick google, it's clearly not the case.

To me, I think this is how I would "justify" myamoto's decisions and this is why I more blame the poor communication than myamoto alone.

HOWEVER, I will say, the simple act of shifting the project WAS a bad decision. if it stayed like it was, no delay, it would be not shockingly different than what was presented and everyone would be happy. The problem is again, Nintendo are conservative so tbh, it;s kinda expected for them to do it if they don;t feel safe. Still, a bit too conservative here considering the poor communication.

One thing is sure: I love IS for wanting to do soemthing we wanted. It;s just a matter of nintendo understanding it which now, I believe they really got it thanks to paper jam

I actually fully blame Miyamoto, since early footage of the game looked closer to TTYD.

Miyamoto is one of the main culprits in Nintendo's conservative nature. Though that is a rant for another time.

 

[aldelaro5]

So this being the Daisy thread and all, do you happen to support her inclusion in Smash by any chance?



Just edit that in and you'll be fine!

my stance on who I support and who I want is VERY simple:

unless it is paper mario or isn't even a valid canditate like goku, I'm neutral.

There

I actually fully blame Miyamoto, since early footage of the game looked closer to TTYD.

Miyamoto is one of the main culprits in Nintendo's conservative nature. Though that is a rant for another time.

.....I HIGHLY doubt this is reasonable.

I even wonder if he was aware of the project progression after that trailer got on. I REALLY wonder because to me, it doesn;t make any sense to say that how the project was going was fine and for the same project say it';s bad the day after. I think he either let IS go, and didn;t got what they were trying to do, or he just was worried after seeing the trailer.

Seriously, I even have facts because on the inteview, it mentions why they even considered to cut the story and that was ONLY because of that club nintendo survey. Myamoto has NOTHING to do with this, nothing.

Sorry, but I really find this not really reasonable, we have facts that it;s not SOLELY because of him and we have even more reasons to think that nintendo just had poor communication. heck, they even shut club nintendo down, think about it, I don't think it;s jsut because they felt like it.

 

[ChikoLad]

my stance on who I support and who I want is VERY simple:

unless it is paper mario or isn't even a valid canditate like goku, I'm neutral.

There


.....I HIGHLY doubt this is reasonable.

I even wonder if he was aware of the project progression after that trailer got on. I REALLY wonder because to me, it doesn;t make any sense to say that how the project was going was fine and for the same project say it';s bad the day after. I think he either let IS go, and didn;t got what they were trying to do, or he just was worried after seeing the trailer.

Seriously, I even have facts because on the inteview, it mentions why they even considered to cut the story and that was ONLY because of that club nintendo survey. Myamoto has NOTHING to do with this, nothing.

Sorry, but I really find this not really reasonable, we have facts that it;s not SOLELY because of him and we have even more reasons to think that nintendo just had poor communication. heck, they even shut club nintendo down, think about it, I don't think it;s jsut because they felt like it.

Club Nintendo got shut down because as a reward program it wasn't very good, so they are making a new one in it's place. It had nothing to do with Sticker Star.

Miyamoto is known to have a lot of power at Nintendo and gets to dictate more than you would think. Hyrule Warriors was originally gonna play more like a Zelda game, but Miyamoto had them make it closer to Dynasty Warriors. That's one of the best decision he's made in a while, though.