The Sassy Princess of Sarasaland: Daisy for SSB4 (A New Daisy for Smash Thread Opens See Pg. 197)

[FalKoopa]

Happy Birthday, @ Yomi's Biggest Fan !

And I just wanna say, for someone the likes both Daisy and Rosie, it's becoming rather saddening that now everywhere I go I'm seeing a lot of hate on Rosie from Daisy fans because Daisy's underrated, and I find this rather double standard coming from the fact Rosie fans **** on Daisy by not giving her a chance. Sorry, I just feel sad that Daisy fans are being spiteful and mean to Rosie and her fans just because she got so much attention. But it hurts more seeing how Daisy fans hate when people **** on Daisy, yet **** on Rosie...

Sometimes, I feel sad liking both of these characters so much, only to have both fanbases hate each other...

Being a part of rivalling fanbases is quite difficult and trying, I know. You almost feel you cannot like a character without hating on another.

There was a very noticeable amount of salt in the K. Rool thread when Robin and Lucina were revealed. I just stopped visiting the thread for a few days. Or when the final roster was revealed, the salt explosion in the Ridley and K. Rool threads almost made me give up speculation for good. I sympathised with them, but I was rather glad to have Doc back, and he was THE scapegoat at that time along with Dark Pit.

I haven't been around much, so I haven't seen much hate first-hand, although I can understand the jealousy. When a character originating in 2007 beat out a character from 1989, there was bound to be some salt. That said, I believe Rosalina got in on her own merits.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

I just hate the mindset that appearing in the credits from Super Mario Galaxy 2 (muhmaingame) and being a NPC with a sad story (but not an happy story those are 2 mainstream for our special space pony) suddenly makes you more important than a character that appears in over 40 sports games (muhspinofffodder) for over 20 years.

Sometimes you just need to knock people of their spaceponies.

And that's where the difference lies.
We're the underdogs.
Sure, they might be hated just as much, but in the end they got the amazon deity-long end of the stick.

 

[memoryman3]

Happy Birthday dude!

For today's conversation, what would you hope it says on Daisy's trophy description?

Since DLC characters have differing trophy descriptions, I just want it to describe how she is as a fighter.

 

[FalKoopa]

I just hate the mindset that appearing in the credits from Super Mario Galaxy 2 (muhmaingame) and being a NPC with a sad story (but not an happy story those are 2 mainstream for our special space pony) suddenly makes you more important than a character that appears in over 40 sports games (muhspinofffodder) for over 20 years.

Sometimes you just need to knock people of their spaceponies.

And that's where the difference lies.
We're the underdogs.
Sure, they might be hated just as much, but in the end they got the amazon deity-long end of the stick.

Having a significant role in the most significant Mario game released in the previous generation and being playable alongside Mario, Luigi, Peach and Toad in a mainstream 3D Mario game is nothing to sneer at. It was quite obvious by that point that Rosalina was going to be picked over Daisy, especially as she had the backing of the core Mario development team, Nintendo EAD.

 

[memoryman3]

Having a significant role in the most significant Mario game released in the previous generation and being playable alongside Mario, Luigi, Peach and Toad in a mainstream 3D Mario game is nothing to sneer at. It was quite obvious by that point that Rosalina was going to be picked over Daisy, especially as she had the backing of the core Mario development team, Nintendo EAD.

I'm pretty sure the proposal proved that Rosalina was added in Smash before 3D World. Remember that Rosie was an unlockable who was probably added late into development. Game-play wise I think she's the best character in Smash!

At least Daisy got it better than Pauline, who hasn't been playable in any game ever since 1980

 

[FalKoopa]

I'm pretty sure the proposal proved that Rosalina was added in Smash before 3D World. Remember that Rosie was an unlockable who was probably added late into development. Game-play wise I think she's the best character in Smash!

Both games were in development concurrently so I think it must have at least influenced it, as this cross-promotion would have benefited both games.

 

[memoryman3]

Both games were in development concurrently so I think it must have at least influenced it, as this cross-promotion would have benefited both games.

I know this is somewhat unrelated, but if we take Mario Kart 8's roster into consideration....

Here are the list of beta characters.

Here is the rivals table for all characters

Mario: Peach & Bowser
Luigi: Daisy & Mario
Peach: Toad & DK
Daisy: Waluigi & Peach
Yoshi: DK & Toad
Toad: Waluigi & Koopa Troopa
Koopa Troopa: Yoshi & Toad
Toadette: Wario & Yoshi
Bowser: Luigi & Mario
DK: Bowser & Wario
Wario: Daisy & Mario
Waluigi: Toadette & Luigi
Everyone else: Randomized

Since Mario Kart and platformer characters don't take nearly as much time to make as Smash characters do, I can assume that Rosie, the Babies, the metal characters and the Koopalings were added somewhere late in development, even though they might have been planned beforehand.

Of course, Daisy and some others didn't get new artwork in MK8 at all. Compared to this...

I can see why some fans could be envious.

 

[FalKoopa]

True. Even Mario Party 10 recycled her old artwork.

It's hard on the fans of Daisy, Waluigi and other characters restricted to spin-offs.

 

[memoryman3]

True. Even Mario Party 10 recycled her old artwork.

It's hard on the fans of Daisy, Waluigi and other characters restricted to spin-offs.

There aren't even many videogame characters who are restricted to spinoffs!

 

[FalKoopa]

There aren't even many videogame characters who are restricted to spinoffs!

Traditional Wario, Waluigi, Daisy... and that's it, I guess. lol
My bad.

 

[Ark of Silence101]

http://www.deviantart.com/art/Daisy-Moustachio-519206658

I find this picture of Daisy rather funny, despite the fact this is suppose to have her shipped with Wario of all things. Besides that, I just like how cute and silly Daisy looks, and I like her hair here.

And I just wanna say, for someone the likes both Daisy and Rosie, it's becoming rather saddening that now everywhere I go I'm seeing a lot of hate on Rosie from Daisy fans because Daisy's underrated, and I find this rather double standard coming from the fact Rosie fans **** on Daisy by not giving her a chance. Sorry, I just feel sad that Daisy fans are being spiteful and mean to Rosie and her fans just because she got so much attention. But it hurts more seeing how Daisy fans hate when people **** on Daisy, yet **** on Rosie...

Sometimes, I feel sad liking both of these characters so much, only to have both fanbases hate each other...

I don't hate Rosalina nor anything, what I hate are the fanboys who give us the 'Daisy is irrelevant and never will be!' Treatment, and the fact that EAD hasn't given her a chance outside of spin-offs, I really hope they see how much fans she has when the ballot is over.

 

[CormyCat]

The salt is real and I can tell that plenty of people from Gamefaqs down voted Daisy in Blue's poll just because of Micheallol. But this is to be expected since he had tarnished the reputation of our beloved fandom. But it doesn't bother me at all since I expected soon as Blue posted the link here.

I was also expecting the nay sayers to outweigh the yes but it doesn't really bother me. It's not like you can vote against someone on the ballot, only for them, and since we have a lot of supporters voting there that's all that matters! I like Fire Emblem but I'm pretty sure there won't be more. They have a lot in already and I don't think there's many characters popular enough to get them to add more, unless I'm missing something... Either way HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

Happy Birthday dude!

For today's conversation, what would you hope it says on Daisy's trophy description?

I like the wiiU trophy the way it is, it has what I want to hear. Focus on her headstrong sassy personality, and mentioning Luigi is smitten. I wouldn't want them to outright call him her boyfriend or anything, I wouldn't even want them to focus on her relationships so just a quick passing mention like that is perfect. I want the trophy to be about her.

Also I really... reeeeally don't like Luigi even a little bit, but that's just my opinion so there's no need to get into that.

http://www.deviantart.com/art/Daisy-Moustachio-519206658

I find this picture of Daisy rather funny, despite the fact this is suppose to have her shipped with Wario of all things. Besides that, I just like how cute and silly Daisy looks, and I like her hair here.

And I just wanna say, for someone the likes both Daisy and Rosie, it's becoming rather saddening that now everywhere I go I'm seeing a lot of hate on Rosie from Daisy fans because Daisy's underrated, and I find this rather double standard coming from the fact Rosie fans **** on Daisy by not giving her a chance. Sorry, I just feel sad that Daisy fans are being spiteful and mean to Rosie and her fans just because she got so much attention. But it hurts more seeing how Daisy fans hate when people **** on Daisy, yet **** on Rosie...

Sometimes, I feel sad liking both of these characters so much, only to have both fanbases hate each other...

I like both Daisy and Rosalina as well! Rosalina not quite as much but In fact my best friend loves her. So we're kind of like one of us is team Rosy the other team Daisy but we both like and want the other one in smash. I don't think Rosalina did anything particularly wrong, she's not the sole reason Daisy is being ignored and under used in the mainline franchises, that was happening before Rosalina anyway... Rosalina also shouldn't crap on Daisy fans because... well it's just dumb. I hate a lot of things but I never start crapping all over their fans. I'm actually somewhat happy they get to appreciate whatever it is they enjoy being in smash!

 

[SuperSegaSonicSS]

I personally feel like Nintendo is to blame for most of the over exposure Rosie has, I was one of the people that thought Daisy should have been in before Rosie was in Smash Bros (to a fault of almost rejecting her inclusion in Smash 4), until much later after letting her inclusion settle in knowing at least Nintendo wants her to be at least well know, as Daisy has done so for like 20 years now, she's already gotten her "publicity" already for that, she's like a "all-star" character just being a part of the Mario franchise for so long.

But I liked Rosie before Smash, I liked her from Galaxy 1, and despite what others say about her being bland in her first game, SMG1 was and still is my favorite 3D Mario game to date, and it was that game that was my first 3D Mario platformer game as well, so I thank Rosie for giving me Galaxy, and that's one of the reason I love her.

But Daisy will always be in my heart after I've gotten to known of her existence over the years of seeing her in the spinoff games, Mario Strikers being the most notable, as that was one of the main games I still wish to play to this day. And ever since I loved her because I love girls with spunky attitudes, and tomboyish, badass female characters. She's also, imo, very cute and attractive to me, I love her face, she's such a doll face, and I'm a sucker for girls like her. And Rosie is like a mother of the cosmos, watching over everyone and protecting the ones she cares for, like the Lumas. Her motherly persona and beautiful charms is why I love her as well, both, imo, show more passion in two different ways and I'll always love them both for as long as I live.

I understand the hate for Rosie essentially "stealing" Daisy's thunder" and all, but that's Nintendo doing such, under their reasons for it. It shouldn't be Rosie's fault to get such hatred just from jealousy, Nintendo clearly as a thing for blonde princesses and females in general *coughZeroSuitSamascough* So it's only understandable from Nintendo that this would happen for Rosie as well. All I'm saying is that I just don't wanna see the Daisy fan base being hypocrites towards Rosie, ****ting on her and her fanbase, just because she overshadowed Daisy indirectly thanks to Nintendo. This is not directed towards any fans in here, no, you guys really seem to be nice compared to the people I seen from the comments of Youtube mainly is why I wanted to say what I said last night... From the video of Connor guy, I just saw so much spite and rudeness, it hurt my feelings... I just don't want Daisy fans to be the epitome of what they themselves don't want to happen to Daisy herself. Being judged and hated without given the proper chance.

I'm sorry for the wall of text, I just had to say what was on my mind...

 

[Ark of Silence101]

I know this is somewhat unrelated, but if we take Mario Kart 8's roster into consideration....

Here are the list of beta characters.

Here is the rivals table for all characters



Since Mario Kart and platformer characters don't take nearly as much time to make as Smash characters do, I can assume that Rosie, the Babies, the metal characters and the Koopalings were added somewhere late in development, even though they might have been planned beforehand.

Of course, Daisy and some others didn't get new artwork in MK8 at all. Compared to this...

I can see why some fans could be envious.

Sorry for DP but, I personality don't feel jealous nor anything, remember, MK8 is the only one where she doesn't get new artwork, whereas Rosie had hers recycled ever since MKWII until MK8.

 

[Ark of Silence101]

I personally feel like Nintendo is to blame for most of the over exposure Rosie has, I was one of the people that thought Daisy should have been in before Rosie was in Smash Bros (to a fault of almost rejecting her inclusion in Smash 4), until much later after letting her inclusion settle in knowing at least Nintendo wants her to be at least well know, as Daisy has done so for like 20 years now, she's already gotten her "publicity" already for that, she's like a "all-star" character just being a part of the Mario franchise for so long.

But I liked Rosie before Smash, I liked her from Galaxy 1, and despite what others say about her being bland in her first game, SMG1 was and still is my favorite 3D Mario game to date, and it was that game that was my first 3D Mario platformer game as well, so I thank Rosie for giving me Galaxy, and that's one of the reason I love her.

But Daisy will always be in my heart after I've gotten to known of her existence over the years of seeing her in the spinoff games, Mario Strikers being the most notable, as that was one of the main games I still wish to play to this day. And ever since I loved her because I love girls with spunky attitudes, and tomboyish, badass female characters. She's also, imo, very cute and attractive to me, I love her face, she's such a doll face, and I'm a sucker for girls like her. And Rosie is like a mother of the cosmos, watching over everyone and protecting the ones she cares for, like the Lumas. Her motherly persona and beautiful charms is why I love her as well, both, imo, show more passion in two different ways and I'll always love them both for as long as I live.

I understand the hate for Rosie essentially "stealing" Daisy's thunder" and all, but that's Nintendo doing such, under their reasons for it. It shouldn't be Rosie's fault to get such hatred just from jealousy, Nintendo clearly as a thing for blonde princesses and females in general *coughZeroSuitSamascough* So it's only understandable from Nintendo that this would happen for Rosie as well. All I'm saying is that I just don't wanna see the Daisy fan base being hypocrites towards Rosie, ****ting on her and her fanbase, just because she overshadowed Daisy indirectly thanks to Nintendo. This is not directed towards any fans in here, no, you guys really seem to be nice compared to the people I seen from the comments of Youtube mainly is why I wanted to say what I said last night... From the video of Connor guy, I just so so much spite and rudeness, it hurt my feelings... I just don't want Daisy fans to be the epitome of what they themselves didn't what to happen to Daisy herself. Being judged and hated without given the proper chance.

I'm sorry for the word of text, I just had to say what was on my mind...

Like I said: I am not hating her nor anything, the fanboys on both fanbases are to blame.

 

[SuperSegaSonicSS]

Just something I found while I was looking up Daisy art.

 

[CormyCat]

Happy Birthday, @ Yomi's Biggest Fan !

Being a part of rivalling fanbases is quite difficult and trying, I know. You almost feel you cannot like a character without hating on another.

There was a very noticeable amount of salt in the K. Rool thread when Robin and Lucina were revealed. I just stopped visiting the thread for a few days. Or when the final roster was revealed, the salt explosion in the Ridley and K. Rool threads almost made me give up speculation for good. I sympathised with them, but I was rather glad to have Doc back, and he was THE scapegoat at that time along with Dark Pit.

I haven't been around much, so I haven't seen much hate first-hand, although I can understand the jealousy. When a character originating in 2007 beat out a character from 1989, there was bound to be some salt. That said, I believe Rosalina got in on her own merits.

Agree. You have to learn to just focus on what makes you happy! Ignore anything else or if you can't do that just relish in it. Dark Pit was actually my most wanted new comer besides like Dixie Kong. So when he got in and all the salt in the world was concentrated on him I'm like "lol idc" because at the end of they day I'm the one who gets to enjoy playing him, while haters have to learn to put up with it. In the case of Daisy and Rosalina it's the best of both worlds! You might have to learn to ignore the small minded haters but in the end whether Rosalina or Daisy get's in you still get to enjoy it.

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I'm definitely envious of the attention Rosalina gets but I'm not spiteful. I WOULD like some awesome Mario Kart 8 artwork for Daisy though.... and it's ridiculous to RE-USE her artwork instead of giving her new ones like everyone else! Spin off characters get it hard but... well at least they're playable. *Cries over Birdo not being playable in the last TWO Mario Kart Games AND Mario Party 10* I just want to play as the sassy trumpet.

 

[memoryman3]

The Daisy individual poll has an almost even split between "Yes" and "No", with "Indifferent" being the minority.

Interesting....

 

[HanAmes]

http://www.deviantart.com/art/Daisy-Moustachio-519206658

I find this picture of Daisy rather funny, despite the fact this is suppose to have her shipped with Wario of all things. Besides that, I just like how cute and silly Daisy looks, and I like her hair here.

And I just wanna say, for someone the likes both Daisy and Rosie, it's becoming rather saddening that now everywhere I go I'm seeing a lot of hate on Rosie from Daisy fans because Daisy's underrated, and I find this rather double standard coming from the fact Rosie fans **** on Daisy by not giving her a chance. Sorry, I just feel sad that Daisy fans are being spiteful and mean to Rosie and her fans just because she got so much attention. But it hurts more seeing how Daisy fans hate when people **** on Daisy, yet **** on Rosie...

Sometimes, I feel sad liking both of these characters so much, only to have both fanbases hate each other...

I agree. Rosie is my second favorite character of the Mario franchise, and it really seems childish to hate on another character.

Even though it's childish, I sorta, in a way, understand the animosity of what some Daisy fans have against Rosalina, being selected for Smash besides Daisy, who has seniority in Nintendo.

As far as I'm concerned, I just want Peach, Daisy, and Rosalina as a whole to all be represented as equals together because, it just doesn't seem right to coddle only two out of the three. One, I can understand, but 2/3, to me, that's just not fair!

 

[Troykv]

I really wish I can change this title to reflect my birthday, but it definitely would have zero to do with Daisy. ;_;

Happy Birthday Azure! I want that you have a nice day

You're one of the fews that visit occasionally the Micaiah's Thread

 

[Ark of Silence101]

I have been wondering, if the K.Rool fans are the Kutthroats, then that would make us?

 

[memoryman3]

I have been wondering, if the K.Rool fans are the Kutthroats, then that would make us?

Since K.Rool's a villain with his own army, it wouldn't make sense for us Daisy fans to have such a name.

 

[FalKoopa]

I have been wondering, if the K.Rool fans are the Kutthroats, then that would make us?

Sarasaland-ians?

If England becomes English, does Sarasaland become Sarasalish?

 

[WeirdChillFever]

I have been wondering, if the K.Rool fans are the Kutthroats, then that would make us?

Sheep

 

[memoryman3]

Sheep

Can't argue with that. There are goats everywhere in Daisy Hills.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

@ Yomi's Biggest Fan Happy birthday! Hope you have a wonderful day :D

I love both Daisy and Rosalina so seeing the conflict between the two fanbases can be very disheartening. I really wish they'd just stop arguing considering that they aren't even important arguments >_>

 

[BluePikmin11]

Happy birthday Takamaru 64! :D

 

[Nintendotard]

I have been wondering, if the K.Rool fans are the Kutthroats, then that would make us?

Flowerchilds

 

[Ark of Silence101]

@ Yomi's Biggest Fan Happy birthday! Hope you have a wonderful day :D

I love both Daisy and Rosalina so seeing the conflict between the two fanbases can be very disheartening. I really wish they'd just stop arguing considering that they aren't even important arguments >_>

True. I am trying to give Rosalina a chance but the fanboys are making it hard....

 

[SuperSegaSonicSS]

True. I am trying to give Rosalina a chance but the fanboys are making it hard....

I just hope Daisy fans that are spiting Rosie doesn't make that same feeling towards the Rosie fans for Daisy's sake...

 

[smashkirby]

Happy Birthday, @Azure Warrior!

 

[Ark of Silence101]

I just hope Daisy fans that are spiting Rosie doesn't make that same feeling towards the Rosie fans for Daisy's sake...

Unfortunately this is likely seeing how the fanboys of our fan base is treating Rosalina....

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Unfortunately this is likely seeing how the fanboys of our fan base is treating Rosalina....

Micheal ****ing Lol. That is all.

 

[SuperSegaSonicSS]

Unfortunately this is likely seeing how the fanboys of our fan base is treating Rosalina....

Yeah, sadly...

 

[CormyCat]

Hah! I love flower child or sarasians or sarasites.

 

[memoryman3]

We can be called pests too

One of Sarasaland's very own!

 

[Ark of Silence101]

I can't believe there are still people who are gullible enough to believe GameTheory's claim about Rosalina's parents >_<.

 

[Nintendotard]

So I decided I'd give Daisy a new final smash:

Crystal Garden: The two rings on Daisy hands (in my moveset, Daisy has a flower ring and a crystal ring) glow bright, and as Daisy lifts her hand, huge vines grab the fighters in front of Daisy's line of vision and are engulfed by a giant teal crystal. Daisy
then forms her crystal hand and charges through each fighter that was captured in the crystal, shattering them and having teal petals fly from them. The fighters are sent flying shortly afterwards. Special Note: Daisy will crash through each crystal, but will stop at the last one to ensure that she has safe recovery.

What do you guys think?

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

LOL Game Theory. Those chumps are as legit as your average fake Smash leaker.

Surprised I'm still typing normally after a few drinks. Though the party where I'm at is pretty festive and I'm having so much fun this night.

 

[SuperSegaSonicSS]

Game Theory shouldn't be taken seriously, hence Game "Theory". It's fun to just see how far they can go with them in my opinion, but I never take what they say as fact.

Although Mario's theory would explain a lot...