Croissant
Smash Apprentice
makes sense, but I usually saw the guy start it high and fast fall it on me at an angle
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The ROB Matchup Thread
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Cubone
Smash Lord
Walk away, shield and punish (watch the landing hitbox), and if its too high you might even be able to dash under it. If hes throwing the turtle before it comes in contact with you it shouldn't be a threat. At the very least you can see how they're spacing and SDI away or SDI up and in and punish him with a fair.
Dthrow, lol
Chef, LOL
Nair, touch for us
Uair, doesn't juggle any better than other uairs.
Disjointedness or multihitting doesn't isn't bad for us, all it does it give us a chance to escape.
We don't lose to MK because of his multihits. It's because he can easily approach from our blindspots and gimp us with ease. He also doesn't have any problems killing us at all.
Chef, LOL
Nair, touch for us
Uair, doesn't juggle any better than other uairs.
Disjointedness or multihitting doesn't isn't bad for us, all it does it give us a chance to escape.
We don't lose to MK because of his multihits. It's because he can easily approach from our blindspots and gimp us with ease. He also doesn't have any problems killing us at all.
You'll understand when you meet a good Mr. Game & Watch. =)
LoL joke, but don't underestimate those moves.
And multihit moves are actually worse than just one single hit... compare Meta Knight to Ganondorf... (you get more punished).
LoL joke, but don't underestimate those moves.
And multihit moves are actually worse than just one single hit... compare Meta Knight to Ganondorf... (you get more punished).
That is not multihit, it's speed.
And G&W neutralB is just a joke, seriously.
His uair isn't anything special except the gimmick push effect which only stales it.
Dthrow can be teched so that G&W followups are limited to a regrab if he reads you correctly.
Being a multihit only allows you to SDI out of them, unelss they are special moves like Nado which you can't SDI out of.
And MK's best moves aren't multihit.
Also Pit is basically a big multihit joke. And he still sucks.
And G&W neutralB is just a joke, seriously.
His uair isn't anything special except the gimmick push effect which only stales it.
Dthrow can be teched so that G&W followups are limited to a regrab if he reads you correctly.
Being a multihit only allows you to SDI out of them, unelss they are special moves like Nado which you can't SDI out of.
And MK's best moves aren't multihit.
Also Pit is basically a big multihit joke. And he still sucks.
Heartstring
Smash Legend
after playing the best gaymanwatch in europe, i can safely say that it is not easy not us, definetely a disadvantage, 6;4 to him imo
his ability to keep rob off the floor is second to only to mk, with his u-air, which isnt so much for hitting, but for making us desperate to land with the wind effect, also the wind effect covers a wide area so he can get us even if we wavebounce
his nair eats ours, and our diar isnt worth mentioning. and it also knocks us back up again
dthrow can be teched, but our techroll/techstand is so slow he has time to react and simply grab us again, its like rolling with samus. best option is to not tech and take the d-tilt which he will probably throw out when he sees us not tech, and pres A just in case he tries to dsmash and you can GU attack before it hits
gaymsanwatch requires srs patience, as laser is laso useless
tl;dr: the MU is gyro
his ability to keep rob off the floor is second to only to mk, with his u-air, which isnt so much for hitting, but for making us desperate to land with the wind effect, also the wind effect covers a wide area so he can get us even if we wavebounce
his nair eats ours, and our diar isnt worth mentioning. and it also knocks us back up again
dthrow can be teched, but our techroll/techstand is so slow he has time to react and simply grab us again, its like rolling with samus. best option is to not tech and take the d-tilt which he will probably throw out when he sees us not tech, and pres A just in case he tries to dsmash and you can GU attack before it hits
gaymsanwatch requires srs patience, as laser is laso useless
tl;dr: the MU is gyro
Mister Eric
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imo
The MU is not falling for early kill gimmicks,
never staying above G&W,
SDI'ing out of bair and punishing out of it,
and gyro play can do some pretty sexy stuff too.
TeeVee
Smash Lord
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not to sound rude but he was just prolly on a different level than you skill wise, matchup is 55 - 45 at the very worst, i still stand by 50 - 50 though
Cubone
Smash Lord
50-50 is what I would agree on as well.
@ whoever said its always us being careful, thats just how GW is... he has those powerful smashes and the random judge, but they aren't reliable.
@ whoever said its always us being careful, thats just how GW is... he has those powerful smashes and the random judge, but they aren't reliable.
Heartstring
Smash Legend
most likely, he was a good player, to throw a juicy john out there, i hadnt slept for two days...infact i still havent and ive got a phychiatrists appointment in a bit, insomania isnt good at all, i need some sleep -__-
Care to explain what can G&W do to us that he can't do to everyone else?
Well spaced Ftilt will beat his aggressive aerial moves and we got more range in the ground.
He doesn't really destroy or recovery either.
Just tell me please?
Well spaced Ftilt will beat his aggressive aerial moves and we got more range in the ground.
He doesn't really destroy or recovery either.
Just tell me please?
Heartstring
Smash Legend
his b-air outspaces our f-tilt, it outprioritses it too
next question
next question
Rizk18
Smash Lord
Whats the ratio for Fox vs ROB?
Heartstring
Smash Legend
i've come to the conclusion that the jigglypuff auto turns people into bad trolls XD
also, personally fox:rob is 50:50. but only when fox is played conventionally. a b-air happy fox is kinda hard for rob to get in against
also, personally fox:rob is 50:50. but only when fox is played conventionally. a b-air happy fox is kinda hard for rob to get in against
Cubone
Smash Lord
Do you think we win anything? I never even see you say even.
I rarely if ever get to play fox but I bust out Pikachu for it, not because I feel its bad for ROB but just because Pikachu has the nasty CG.
Cubone
Smash Lord
I really thought people would know how to beat out the turtle by now... Ftilt outranges it unless its being thrown early (in which case WALK AWAY), you can space a fsmash through it, or hell, SDI ruins it. Take 4% and watch his end lag if hes hitting you with the very tip or SDI up and fair him if its not spaced as well.
As a side note, I like Lylat vs GW.
As a side note, I like Lylat vs GW.
Mister Eric
Twitch.tv/MisterbeepEric Twitter: @MisterbeepEric
I don't due to the platforms. I feel like he can hassle us too much with nair and maybe even do some knock off from the platform to smash kills as well.
Heartstring
Smash Legend
b-air still annoys me, because by the time i notice ive been hit by it, and then my shoddy attempts to SDI (really got to work on that, im terrible at it) its already ended
Cubone
Smash Lord
At the same time it gives us better access to usmash and uair and we deal with the ledges a tad better.
Theres not a really solid CP against GW =\
I side with him, Fox combo the hell out of us, and we can't do anything about his Dair. It is definitely not even. Even if it is by 1% it would be in Fox's favor.Do you think we win anything? I never even see you say even.
I rarely if ever get to play fox but I bust out Pikachu for it, not because I feel its bad for ROB but just because Pikachu has the nasty CG.
I thought you would've known.
FD is by far the greatest CP against GW assuming they don't ban, which I have no clue why they would.
But R.O.B is just better than GW. You are all contemplating on how to get past his Bair but you don't understand that you just have to avoid that move. Lazor it, Gyro it, run and reverse these things at them.
Remember Lazor goes through anything in the entire game. Nado, GW's Bair, snake's nades, EVERYTHING. Use it in this MU, and if you are two scared because of GW's D-B then just stop using lazor, or only use it when you know they won't see it coming.
Personally I love this MU and I think it is either a +1 or a +2. More of a +1.5 though if you know what I mean.
GW has no range and no projectiles that go far, and R.O.B can combo the HELL out of GW especially with R.O.B's Gyro. If there isn't a Gyro out, get one out, it helps the most in this MU. TRUST ME. I mained GW at the beggining of Brawl, and I still use him occasionally. I know what he can, and can't get through.
GW is slower than you think, R.O.B is faster than you think. Lol
Cubone
Smash Lord
Assuming FD is banned.... it always is lol.
Heartstring
Smash Legend
always XD
i hate it when i get to CP vs. someone, even if its diddy, then ban fd and go mk on me
FUUUUU
thats when i go to the castle of perfect r.o.b camping!
i hate it when i get to CP vs. someone, even if its diddy, then ban fd and go mk on me
FUUUUU
thats when i go to the castle of perfect r.o.b camping!
You know... F-tilt is a ground move. And yes, I know how to SDI it.
T.O.Y
Smash Rookie
G&W= When the bair, run away and pivot lazer. lolz works until they watch your head, then mix it up.
Lol well after that I would probably CP SmashVille, but it is your decision. Either BF or SV. I have never tried out PS1, maybe IDK.
THANK-YOU!
The gyro sounds better.
Bair tends to just throw the gyro away, losing you a vital tool in battle and ends up doing nothing. So I think it's safer to use laser. It doesn't even matter if it's charged or not, you will never kill a G&W with a charged laser anyways so why not.
Heartstring
Smash Legend
i think he means when G&W bair's, not rob
It might send it away, but I remember at the last tourney I went too, two weekends ago, I was playing Izzy (The best GW in Florida) in doubles, and I ran and reversed the Gyro (when he was approaching me with a Bair), fully charged, and it literally Shot right through the Turtle into GW. I am not positive if I just did it at the right time and didn't notice, but that is something to look at.
If anyone is having major trouble with this MU, please try this ASAP.
But Regardless the Lazor will always go through it. (OBV.)
As for the Un-Charged Gyro, it will never go through, I have tried too many times. Never try and reverse an un-charged gyro into his Bair, it won't work.
If anyone is having major trouble with this MU, please try this ASAP.
But Regardless the Lazor will always go through it. (OBV.)
As for the Un-Charged Gyro, it will never go through, I have tried too many times. Never try and reverse an un-charged gyro into his Bair, it won't work.
Heartstring
Smash Legend
well, theres the 8% window on priority, if the gyro is going to do over 12% in the hit it will go through the turtle