okay. so because everybody has sinned, everybody should die. but we don't die because G-d is merciful. but what about Noah's Ark? is G-d suddenly more merciful now then before? or have we just sinned a little less? Or is G-d simply not doing it because he promised not to flood the Earth again. but G-d has broken promises before...
Where does it say that? We are saved by God's grace, not by physical things.
Jews, Moslems, Hindus, Buddhists and everyone else who is not Christian will all go to hell "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God" (John 3:18) (
http://www.bigissueground.com/atheistground/ash-bibleshocking.shtml)
"Behold, I Paul tell you, that if you be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. (Gal 5:2)" (
http://bible.cc/galatians/5-2.htm (from the cite you just stated *seen right below this*. I picked one at random, but they all mean about the same thing))
They give
one verse from the Torah, that's not evidence at all.
Note: there is only 1 translation that includes the word "lilith".
http://bible.cc/isaiah/34-14.htm
But you don't get it. it was in the Midrash, which was at first largely oral law, so you can't just disclose it because it only has 1 Torah mention. The Midrash has information about the Torah that you could never get by simply reading Torah. because, I don't know about you, but I don't think Torah or the bible or whatever is completely made by G-d. and look here
http://jewishchristianlit.com//Topics/Lilith/, it was in the Midrash, the ancient Dead Sea Scrolls, the Baruch, ancient artifacts, and even the Talmud.
"And I, the Sage,
declare the grandeur of his radiance
in order to frighten and terrify
all the spirits of the ravaging angels
and the ******* spirits,
demons,
Liliths, owls and [jackals...]
and those who strike unexpectedly
to lead astray the spirit of knowledge...."
"Baruch 10:7-8
But we, the living, woe to us,
because we have seen those afflictions of Zion
and that which has befallen Jerusalem.
I shall call the Sirens from the sea,
and you,
Lilin, come from the desert,
and you, demons and dragons from the woods.
Awake and gird up your loins to mourn,
and raise lamentations with me,
and mourn with me."
"Rabbi Jeremia ben Eleazar said, "During those years (after their expulsion from the Garden), in which Adam, the first man, was separated from Eve, he became the father of ghouls and demons and
lilin." Rabbi Meir said, "Adam, the first man, being very pious and finding that he had caused death to come into the world, sat fasting for 130 years, and separated himself from his wife for 130 years, and wore fig vines for 130 years. His fathering of evil spirits, referred to here, came as a result of wet dreams."
(Lilin=Lilith=Lillith=Lilit. just slightly different names) *note that they say Adam was the first man, but don't call Eve the first woman* please do check out all the links on that cite, they are quite interesting.
EDIT: This (
http://www.storydynamics.com/Articles/Storytelling_Concepts/midrash.html) explains the Midrash's role a little better.
"Midrash is actually a way to change the frame (context) of the stories in the Bible. It does not have the authority granted to the Torah texts, of course, but it is encouraged as a way to explore the rich meanings of the Torah.
A famous tradition of midrash concerns an apparent inconsistency in Genesis: first, God created humans "male and female." Then, a few verses later, we are told the story of it not being good that Adam was alone and God creating a helpmate. How could this be? Could this holy story be flawed?
Not really, says the midrashic tradition. When God first created humans, God created Adam and the first woman, Lilith. Lilith refused a subordinate role, however, and fled the garden to bear the children of demons. Only then did Adam ask for a helpmate."
The Torah is mostly just stories. the Midrash and the Talmud are the crucial elements that modern and ancient rabbinic scholars use since it's the interpretation of Torah and actually makes sense. To have the Torah but no Midrash and Talmud is almost as bad as to have the Midrash and Talmud but not Torah. The Midrash and Talmud address symbols to the stories in the Torah. To quote
http://www.storydynamics.com/Articles/Storytelling_Concepts/midrash.html again:
"Now, there are two models of females in relationship to male power: Eve, the productive but long-suffering mother, and Lilith, the independent outcast."
wow, this has gotten quite off topic. Because there is no true moral, and it's all subjective (IMO), I would say that there's no "right" time to kill, although in the same way there's no "wrong" time to kill either. G-d may know the answer, but I doubt anybody reading this does, or ever will.
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