Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[MasterOfKnees]

You know, R.O.B. really is our best friend at the moment.

He proves that Sakurai isn't afraid to show off a newcomer before actually revealing them, back in Brawl he was flat deconfirmed and proved many leaks wrong, including the real one
http://smashboards.com/threads/prophet.133207/

Can we take a moment to laugh?

It was a bit different with Brawl back then though, not one leaker leaked everything, every leaker only leaked a few tidbits at a time, and ultimately by combining the leaks people figured out the final roster. No single person leaked as many newcomers as Sal's tipper has.

This is a decent summary

 

[NintenRob]

It was a bit different with Brawl back then though, not one leaker leaked everything, every leaker only leaked a few tidbits at a time, and ultimately by combining the leaks people figured out the final roster. No single person leaked as many newcomers as Sal's tipper has.

This is a decent summary

What? I wasn't even talking about Sal.

I was saying how R.O.B. was shown before release and assumed not playable, just like Ridley now.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

What? I wasn't even talking about Sal.

I was saying how R.O.B. was shown before release and assumed not playable, just like Ridley now.

I thought you were comparing the situation back then to the current leak situation when you said that he proved many leaks wrong, just a misinterpretation on my part I guess. He didn't really prove many leaks wrong though, nobody except the guy who actually leaked him ever mentioned him.

But yeah, R.O.B's model and everything was shown pre-release on the Dojo itself due to him being an SSE enemy too. We also saw modified versions of Palutena's model with Pseudo-Palutena and the Palutena statue, though that hardly means anything, especially in comparison to the R.O.B example.

 

[Zem-raj]

I agree, but it's just kinda odd that he's talked so much about "scaling" and "size" of things. Hell, he even made mention of Samus's height in the Little Mac reveal. It just seems like a really odd thing to obsess over. I'm sure he could think of millions of stupid little details to talk about, but yet he keeps coming back to size. It's almost like he's being defensive about it, as though there is something that would cause some kind of discrepancy. I'm not saying it is, in fact, Ridley, but he does seem to be over-explaining himself on this, haha.

Indeed, it does seem a bit odd that he keeps reiterating about size and scaling:

Update posted on 16/01/2014

"Pic of the day. A group shot of the big guys. How much bigger are they compared to Mario?"

Showing off how much bigger these characters are compared to Mario. They are much larger than they were in Brawl, and further emphasise heavy weight and strong characters. Not relating to Ridley per se, but it shows that heavier characters will likely be much bigger than average and light weight characters (much like in Mario Kart games).

Update posted on 19/02/2014

"Pic of the day. This dog is huge… Wait, no, the playable characters are small. The Smash Bros. series doesn't always stay true to scale."

The most famous one yet. This is proof that nothing is to scale in Super Smash Bros. and that Sakurai is willing to go past size canon. The dogs aren't giant, they are merely normal sized puppies, it's the fighters that are tiny. Remember, in Super Smash Bros., both playable characters and boss characters are trophies, they are the scaled down in size versions of the characters. Samus is not her full scale 6'3" form like detractors think she is, she is a tiny trophy/figure. Master Hand is not a giant hand, but a real sized human hand, as evidence is shown in Super Smash Bros.' opening sequence:

This is supported by his trophy descriptions:
Melee - Trophy #159: The Master Hand awaits anyone who survives the long difficult road to the Final Destination. This symbolic link between the real world and the imaginary battlefields of Super Smash Bros. Melee is quite a handful in battle, and just because he wears a white glove doesn't mean he fights clean. Be ready to get poked, punched, flicked, and swatted like crazy!

Brawl - A being tied to the link between this world, where trophies fight, and the world beyond. The meaning of his existence is unknown, as are his goals, but he seems to have obtained (and kept hidden) a power that borders on absolute. He also seems to feel a certain joy in challenging chosen warriors who've claimed many victories. He waits even now in Final Destination.

Whilst the PotD doesn't directly relate to Ridley as such, it still shows that canon size doesn't mean anything in the Super Smash Bros. series. Basically, the size argument is more or less invalid.

Update posted on 20/02/2014

"Pic of the day. As shown in Little Mac's debut video, here is the height difference between Samus and Little Mac. He's used those mighty green gloves to punch out many challengers bigger than himself."

Not really Ridley related, just more or less a nod to the post on the Dojo!! for Brawl. The height comparison thing was also present in the Little Mac debut trailer.

Update posted on 23/06/2014

"Pic of the day. Is this a match made in heaven? Remember, no matter how big you may be, there is always someone bigger."

Okay, the caption for this one seems to be rather pointless. We know that the Fairy Queen is large, and we've seen this stage before. Rather than saying "this is the Fairy Queen, ruler of Fairy Land. She's from the arcade game Pac-Land, which was also on the NES. [insert purpose here]", he goes on about size... We can see she's tall, but you don't need to emphasize it. People will naturally think it relates to Ridley, even when it isn't intentional ._.

I wouldn't be surprised if he did another size related PotD in the future...

 

[NintenRob]

Todays Pic of the day really doesn't have anything to do with Ridley.

It is more likely a call back to this picture

He made alot of emphasis on how tall Rosalina is and now we have this fairy princess who is even taller.

 

[Phaazoid]

Basically we were renowned for having this nasty little habit of tearing up what was left of the mod/staff's sanity. "Clan/supporter" wars were ridiculously flame-worthy, toobig arguments pretty much derailed EVERY thread at some point, and the thread's main group/following was notorious for being an especially spammy lot of trolls if Oasis, Basket and I aren't already shining examples of that.

Hey, hey, that could be considered offensive, xD

God I didn't even get a post in that last thread I think I was like gone for a weekend and I came back, there had been two thread closings and a permanent ban on Ridley threads. I was just like smh... and kinda sad that I missed the ****storm haha

Most of the spammiest were already banned by the time that thread came out, but afterwards I remember at least 6 or 7 troll Ridley, or Rid Lee, or whatever threads being made by alt accounts of people already banned.

That was always funny to watch, but I can imagine the moderation staff was probably pulling their hair out.

And, on the topic of todays big comment, regardless of whether or not Sakurai is aware of the toobigotry, he's made at least 5 different big remarks on miiverse up until now, and the results are always hilarious.

 

[Arcadenik]

Obviously Ridley's default size is bigger than the Fairy Queen. Proof he's too big. Herp derp.

 

[Dark Phazon]

I agree, but it's just kinda odd that he's talked so much about "scaling" and "size" of things. Hell, he even made mention of Samus's height in the Little Mac reveal. It just seems like a really odd thing to obsess over. I'm sure he could think of millions of stupid little details to talk about, but yet he keeps coming back to size. It's almost like he's being defensive about it, as though there is something that would cause some kind of discrepancy. I'm not saying it is, in fact, Ridley, but he does seem to be over-explaining himself on this, haha.

RealTalk saw the pic for the day and came here thinking exactly what you typed
thank you

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Yup.
"Pic of the day. Is this a match made in heaven? Remember, no matter how big you may be, there is always someone bigger."

Ok just a filler today...

But then sees the quote

OMG he will stop at nothing of teasing us about ridley

Im starting to think this is why he did not show ridley at E3 he wants to torture us a whole lot more.


(Ps i was really going to use the simpsons scene loudest profanity ever hearf but coulden't find the orginal video.)

 

[Sigran101]

How did the "ridley's too big" argument even start? What made him get singled out when we already have bowser and ganondorf, and Hades is a highly requested character who nobody calls too big?

 

[Kamiko]

How did the "ridley's too big" argument even start? What made him get singled out when we already have bowser and ganondorf, and Hades is a highly requested character who nobody calls too big?

I'd like to think it's because people are only thinking of Brawl and the beginning of Prime 3, but I'm pretty sure it's been going on since before either of those existed, so I really have no idea. Some form of bias for certain.

 

[Zem-raj]

How did the "ridley's too big" argument even start? What made him get singled out when we already have bowser and ganondorf, and Hades is a highly requested character who nobody calls too big?

Detractors seem to make one rule for Ridley, and another for all other characters, even if some are close to (Bowser) or are bigger than Ridley -_-

 

[AncientTobacco]

 

[Sigran101]

We have space, pirates, cyborgs, dragons, and (kind of) dinosaurs all in one character. Now all we need is cowboys and it's every little boy's dream. someone should draw meta ridley with a cowboy hat and gun.

 

[The King of Skulls]

You know...Miiverse postings are quite literally distilled plague. take some time to read the level of insanity there...you'll know.

But I seriously think the PoTD has absolutely nothing to do with Ridley, which is a good thing.

 

[Sigran101]

You know...Miiverse postings are quite literally distilled plague. take some time to read the level of insanity there...you'll know.

But I seriously think the PoTD has absolutely nothing to do with Ridley, which is a good thing.

Miiverse is crazy. Somone there suggested Kirk and Spock as an ice climbers like team character. He was not trolling. Somone else suggested goku because "he's first party cause he was on a nintendo platform." He used the same logic to suggest godzilla as an assist trophy. My personal favorite though, "Ridley's too big for smash bros. Why don't we put in something more rational like medusa?

 

[Pacack]

You know...Miiverse postings are quite literally distilled plague. take some time to read the level of insanity there...you'll know.

But I seriously think the PoTD has absolutely nothing to do with Ridley, which is a good thing.

So that's what literal distilled plague looks like. I've always wondered.

 

[The King of Skulls]

Miiverse is crazy. Somone there suggested Kirk and Spock as an ice climbers like team character. He was not trolling. Somone else suggested goku because "he's first party cause he was on a nintendo platform." He used the same logic to suggest godzilla as an assist trophy. My personal favorite though, "Ridley's too big for smash bros. Why don't we put in something more rational like medusa?

Hey, no one complained about Palutena being too big!

 

[Sigran101]

Ya know, when you think about it, my avatar kind of fits for this thread. He's an evil sadistic cyborg alien who just never seems to die. Sound like anyone we know?

 

[The King of Skulls]

Ya know, when you think about it, my avatar kind of fits for this thread. He's an evil sadistic cyborg alien who just never seems to die. Sound like anyone we know?

Oo, oo, I know this! Is it the robots from "It's a Small World After All?"

 

[Sigran101]

Oo, oo, I know this! Is it the robots from "It's a Small World After All?"

It's Rahu 3 from custom robo gamecube, which is my all time favorite game.

 

[The King of Skulls]

It's Rahu 3 from custom robo gamecube, which is my all time favorite game.

Close enough. That reminds me, I need to scrounge for a new avatar...

 

[Pacack]

Close enough. That reminds me, I need to scrounge for a new avatar...

But I like this one D:

 

[Zem-raj]

One of the comments on Miiverse made me laugh a bit:

"I saw my shadow the other day. Does that mean I'm a boss on pyyrosphere?"

 

[Sigran101]

Oo, oo, I know this! Is it the robots from "It's a Small World After All?"

When I read this I imediately thought of those cyborg zebezians from other m destroying the Disney world ride.

 

[Phaazoid]

Ya know, when you think about it, my avatar kind of fits for this thread. He's an evil sadistic cyborg alien who just never seems to die. Sound like anyone we know?

Mr. Grike, from the Mortal Engines Quartet? No?

Also, a little more off topic than usual, I was wondering if any of the cr@zy dedicated artists with so much free time on this thread are experienced with pixel art stuff, and are interested on working on a big project. just pm me i guess no need to clog the thread more haha

 

[Neo Zero]

Mr. Grike, from the Mortal Engines Quartet? No?

Also, a little more off topic than usual, I was wondering if any of the cr@zy dedicated artists with so much free time on this thread are experienced with pixel art stuff, and are interested on working on a big project. just pm me i guess no need to clog the thread more haha

Ridley confirmed.

 

[Sigran101]

Reggie mentioned Sakurai laughing durning the e3 treehouse stream. Sakurai laughed when he was asked about Ridley after brawl. Ridley confirmed.

 

[Snagrio]

Ah, more size references. I don't know, if Sakurai knew about Little Mac, he had to have known about Ridley, and if he knew about Ridley, then surely he saw at least something about the whole size debate. Especially since one would have to go to English sites to find out what's popular in the West, then the too big idea would've appeared at some point since that argument and Ridley always go hand-in-hand.

 

[Smash_Veteran_Amtoj]

Personally, I would rather see Ridley as a boss. I think it suites him.

I'd like to know from you guys. Does a character really have to be a fighter to be "truly" represented?

 

[Phaazoid]

Personally, I would rather see Ridley as a boss. I think it suites him.

I'd like to know from you guys. Does a character really have to be a fighter to be "truly" represented?

I mean, take your favorite character. I'm sure you wouldn't exactly be pleased if they were in the game, but not on the roster. I was sad that RAY01 was an assist trophy in Brawl. I'll be sad if Ridley is a boss in sm4sh.

 

[Sigran101]

Personally, I would rather see Ridley as a boss. I think it suites him.

I'd like to know from you guys. Does a character really have to be a fighter to be "truly" represented?

For me at least it's not soley about representation. I want to play as my favorite character rather than have him as an annoying intrusive stage hazzard.

 

[The King of Skulls]

Personally, I would rather see Ridley as a boss. I think it suites him.

I'd like to know from you guys. Does a character really have to be a fighter to be "truly" represented?

The only equivalent I could make is if Bowser was in Melee, but only as a boss.

 

[Sigran101]

I mean, take your favorite character. I'm sure you wouldn't exactly be pleased if they were in the game, but not on the roster. I was sad that RAY01 was an assist trophy in Brawl. I'll be sad if Ridley is a boss in sm4sh.

Oh wow! Some one else who wanted Custom robo represented on the roster! I thought I was the only one. As this is not exactly on topic, I will also say I think this game is make it or break it for Ridley. There. Now this is on topic.

 

[TheWozny]

The PotD triggered me.

 

[Snagrio]

My beef with Hazardley isn't so much that he wouldn't be playable (though yes that is an annoyance in of itself), but more about the fact that this Ridley doesn't act anything like he's supposed to. Slow, significantly smaller then usual on a ironically huge stage, looks like he barely does anything except maybe casually grab people before gently releasing them...

Yeah, I have a problem with that potential outcome.

 

[AustarusIV]

Personally, I would rather see Ridley as a boss. I think it suites him.

I'd like to know from you guys. Does a character really have to be a fighter to be "truly" represented?

I'd like to ask you this: Would you want to see your favorite character turned into a sluggish, lackadasical pinata with the intelligence of a house fly?

 

[UltimateWario]

Does a character really have to be a fighter to be "truly" represented?

Yes.

That said, not every franchise needs a character to be well represented. -coughRhythmHeavencough-

 

[Phaazoid]

Oh wow! Some one else who wanted Custom robo represented on the roster! I thought I was the only one. As this is not exactly on topic, I will also say I think this game is make it or break it for Ridley. There. Now this is on topic.

Custom robo is a favorite of mine. Unfortunately, the fan base is rather small, and the games old. Smash doesn't have enough mechs. LIKE META RIDLEY WHAT

More on topic, this game is totally not make or break for Ridley. Remember, just last smash, Sakurai wrote off the idea of villager because he wasn't a fighter, mii's because they didn't seem right, ect?

A lot can change in 10 years.

 

[Sigran101]

Personally, I would rather see Ridley as a boss. I think it suites him.

I'd like to know from you guys. Does a character really have to be a fighter to be "truly" represented?

Also I suppose I think the villain of one of Nintendo's biggest franchises deserves more representation than the likes of Yellow Devil and Dark Emperor.