Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[Zzuxon]

Congrats on 600 pages. Only a thread this big is appropriate for Ridley!

 

[majora_787]

Taking a heavily requested and important character and downgrading them to boss status, and then making them a playable boss?

"I don't understand, guys. Why aren't you happy? You get to play as Ridley with a very watered down boss moveset, exclusively on one stage, and only with hazards on. Everyone should be happy that the effort was put in to make them playable in the absolute loosest way possible!"

I wonder.

 

[andimidna]

NOO
I MISSED PAGE 600
WHYYYY?!

 

[Dragon1128]

The one thing I'm not getting here.


Because Ridley isn't explicitly shown he's clearly playable.

Yet, people assume that there is lava, despite the only evidence being the lava in the background. Nothing besides that indicates lava, other than the background, and the fact it has happened in the past.

Using that logic, Ridley being a stage hazard is just as likely as lava being a stage hazard, based on all that criteria.

am I the only one that this doesn't sit right with? You can't assume that lava will be there "because it has in the past" while not assuming Ridley will be a boss, "like he has in the past"


Not that I think there isn't going to be Lava...but still, There's more to indicate Ridley being a stage hazard than there is indicating lava. All you have for lava is the background and plenty of assumptions based on the past. For Ridley, every statement Sakurai has made seems to lean to the hazard route, and yet, he's clearly not?

I'll be the first to admit i'm wrong if he actually does become playable, but I really wouldn't get your hopes up on that front.

 

[Bravetriforcer]

Some people want Ridley out of a sense of justice, after Melee's intro cinematic. Some want Ridley because they feel Metroid's representation is lacking, with Samus and Samus. Others still want Ridley because they simply think he'd be a cool fighter.

I mostly want Ridley because I want to put bunny ears on him on laugh.

 

[Deleted member]

The one thing I'm not getting here.


Because Ridley isn't explicitly shown he's clearly playable.

Yet, people assume that there is lava, despite the only evidence being the lava in the backround. Nothing besides that indicates lava, other than the backround, and the fact it has happened in the past.

Using that logic, Ridley being a stage hazard is just as likely as lava being a stage hazard, based on all that criteria.

am I the only one that this doesn't sit right with? You can't assume that lava will be there "because it has in the past" while not assuming Ridley will be a boss, "like he has in the past"

*facepalm* Is lava a popular requested character? Is there any lava shadow teasing for lava fans? Comparing Ridley to lava is like comparing Sakurai to a flower

 

[PurpleSpaceDragon]

I just think its a waste of development time on a feature nobody wants or would use much.

I'd be mad cause he spent time on making Ridley playable without actually making him a playable character....I see it as more a big **** you to the Ridley fans more then anything.

Instead of wasting time on something like that why not spent time actually making him a playable character like the rest of the cast.

Very good point actually. If Ridley is just a regular stage hazard/boss at least we can make the excuse that Sakurai was unaware of how much people wanted Ridley playable, and that he thought we'd all be psyched to see him no matter his role.

Seriously though, is there any other possible reason for Ridley not being playable where Sakurai doesn't come across as a jerk for teasing us all this time?

 

[OblivionWolf]

The one thing I'm not getting here.


Because Ridley isn't explicitly shown he's clearly playable.

Yet, people assume that there is lava, despite the only evidence being the lava in the backround. Nothing besides that indicates lava, other than the backround, and the fact it has happened in the past.

Using that logic, Ridley being a stage hazard is just as likely as lava being a stage hazard, based on all that criteria.

am I the only one that this doesn't sit right with? You can't assume that lava will be there "because it has in the past" while not assuming Ridley will be a boss, "like he has in the past"

Some people say lava cause its turned off in the FD version of the stage. I personally think the purple tubes are more then likely to be a stage hazard cause they were NEVER in Pyrosphere or Metroid ever. They even look completely different on both versions.

http://i.imgur.com/GLyT8Im.png

 

[majora_787]

I want Ridley for every reason you listed.

Also, Dragon, you're missing the point behind the lava. The fact of the matter is, the lava flow in the background disappears entirely in the hazardless FD version of Pyrosphere. The only reason for removing one of the most noteworthy aesthetic components of Pyrosphere is if it interferes with the fight directly in some way. People have more evidence than "There is lava."

 

[Xhampi]

Taking a heavily requested and important character and downgrading them to boss status, and then making them a playable boss?

"I don't understand, guys. Why aren't you happy? You get to play as Ridley with a very watered down boss moveset, exclusively on one stage, and only with hazards on. Everyone should be happy that the effort was put in to make them playable in the absolute loosest way possible!"

I wonder.

"Ridley will also have unique controls :
-Flap 2 wiimotes like if they were wings to jump,
-Use the Wii Balance Board to walk,
-Blow into the gamepad microphone to breath fire,
-Use the stylus to decide in which direction you want to launch fireballs

Please understand !"

 

[Shinru202]

I just came up with a possible Theory regarding the Pyrosphere stage in Smash Bros...
but first some fitting music...

According to Metroid Wiki, the place where Samus encounters Ridley in Other M is called "GEOTHERMAL POWER PLANT"

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...Yet Sakurai named that same stage as the "Pyrosphere" in SSB4...
Here's a link: http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Geothermal_Power_Plant

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I speculate that the Pyrosphere stage is a MOVING STAGE where the huge platform moves through various regions all around the Pyrosphere Sector from Metroid: Other M

The Pyrosphere SECTOR from Metroid Other M holds 3 dangerous creatures that will each pose as the "Stage Hazard" in different regions of the Pyrosphere:

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Goyagma.
Goyagma can appear standing from the lava pool.....He can toss flames, sweep his arms and rain blobs of burning lava....
Here's a video of the fight in Other M

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Vorash. Vorash can pounce over the stage while raining fireballs.....It is even possible for Vorash to Lunge towards the stage to DEVOUR a fighter (Insta-KO)...
Here's a video of Vorash Fight:

And of course...

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Ridley....As a stage hazard, Ridley can grab players and do his usual sadistic stuff...or possible bind the fighter into place, leaving them defenseless against other opponents....If aggravated, Ridley could take a deep breath and unleash "NAPALM BREATH", a huge fireball that covers the stage ground....You need to jump to evade that inferno shockwave...
Here's a video of Ridley's famous fight in Other M:

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This is all speculation, but if it is true, then the Pyrosphere stage in SSB4 will be one hell of a stage ....."Hell" literally

 

[majora_787]

Some people say lava cause its turned off in the FD version of the stage. I personally think the purple tubes are more then likely to be a stage hazard cause they were NEVER in Pyrosphere or Metroid ever. They even look completely different on both versions.

http://i.imgur.com/GLyT8Im.png

THat actually makes me wonder. Maybe the tubes are there to be the "alerts" that the lava is going to begin doing things? Every Metroid stage had SOME kind of indication that the hazard was about to do something. Zebes and Brinstar made lava clearly visible in its rising and falling in the background. Norfair did something similar, and also moved the camera and changed the stage slightly to give a warning that something was about to happen with the lava. Brinstar Depths telegraphed the stage changes with Kraid. And Frigate Orpheon had warning lights and sirens, which I think might be what the tubes could be.

 

[ImaClubYou]

I was a major anti Ridley back then. Let's be clear though, I love him.

I'm starting to believe he may be playable now because of how much of a rease he is. Also, having a Ridley Cinematic CGI scene would be cool.

I'm just upset that he CAN'T be big(or at least as big as he can be).

Maybe his final smash would just be him getting gigantic, lol.

 

[egaddmario]

So today, we got the band-aid rip for Dillon supporters. And again, Sakurai was blunt about it. Ridley naysayers have rocks in their head if they don't think it's fishy that Sakurai didn't actually show Ridley.

 

[majora_787]

So today, we got the band-aid rip for Dillon supporters. And again, Sakurai was blunt about it. Ridley naysayers have rocks in their head if they don't think it's fishy that Sakurai didn't actually show Ridley.

Or mention him. Or let us hear him. Or acknowledge his existance directly in any way other than showing his shadow in the background while he said something with weird word choice.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Well, thinking about his Final Smash.

It probably can't be the wall grind, because that would be way too much work for all the stages, and it would be the only Final Smash that only affects one opponent. But it probably can't be a Meta Ridley or Omega Ridley transformation, because he seems to have his Other M appearance as his default model. :/

 

[OblivionWolf]

I was a major anti Ridley back then. Let's be clear though, I love him.

I'm starting to believe he may be playable now because of how much of a rease he is. Also, having a Ridley Cinematic CGI scene would be cool.

I'm just upset that he CAN'T be big(or at least as big as he can be).

Maybe his final smash would just be him getting gigantic, lol.

Giga Bowser, Giga Mac, and now Giga Ridley. Thats alot of gigidy gigidy.

 

[stan423321]

I just think its a waste of development time on a feature nobody wants or would use much.

I'd be mad cause he spent time on making Ridley playable without actually making him a playable character....I see it as more a big **** you to the Ridley fans more then anything.

Instead of wasting time on something like that why not spent time actually making him a playable character like the rest of the cast.

Possible reasons include following ones:

• It is not the first time game developers came up with something that was not liked by the users in the long run. I mean, look no farther than to SSE. (Actually, when I did imagine making a Smash Bros. game, I wanted playable bosses at first to create more interesting 3 vs 1 setups; it took me a lot of time to get that people simply don't want their characters there.)
  
• It may not have been what they intended to do in the first place. Suppose, for example, that Ridley did start planned as playable fighter, but ended up being fundamentally broken or buggy at late stage of development. In such a case, making him a boss would make sense, and leaving playability on wouldn't be too bad.

Please note that I'm currently kinda indifferent to Ridley inclusion, but it is interesting to explain some stuff so that discussion is clearer.

"Because Ridley isn't explicitly shown he's clearly playable."

You flipped the implication incorrectly. What most of Ridley supporters seem to be saying is "If we were supposed to learn about Ridley being unplayable in a clear way, it would make more sense if Ridley was more explicitly shown", with some adding "and if he's not playable, Sakurai/marketing head is a @#$% or has delusions about fanbase priorities". With reasoning being every other semi-serious contender being disconfirmed outright. This is clearly different to your take.

Again, please note that I'm currently kinda indifferent to Ridley inclusion, but it is interesting to explain some stuff so that discussion is clearer.

 

[ImaClubYou]

Giga Bowser, Giga Mac, and now Giga Ridley. Thats alot of gigidy gigidy.

Super Ultra Mega Deluxe High Quality battery powered Armored Metal Giant Flaming Giga HD High Maintanance Spiral Powered Electrically charged Water powered Gasoline powered gourmet fuel saving Ridley sounds good.

 

[egaddmario]

Well, thinking about his Final Smash.

It probably can't be the wall grind, because that would be way too much work for all the stages, and it would be the only Final Smash that only affects one opponent. But it probably can't be a Meta Ridley or Omega Ridley transformation, because he seems to have his Other M appearance as his default model. :/

It could be that flying towards the screen move he had in Brawl. Aim it like the dragoon. Or something.

 

[Snagrio]

Pretty much what several others have said, I immediately thought "Oh look, another example that shows why Ridley's appearance was highly unusual." when I saw Dillon's sudden and immediate deconfirmation (RIP).

Ridley's still unknown fate even after being "seen" amongst the ongoing instant character strike downs gets more and more interesting by the day.

 

[AndreaAC]

Well, thinking about his Final Smash.

It probably can't be the wall grind, because that would be way too much work for all the stages, and it would be the only Final Smash that only affects one opponent. But it probably can't be a Meta Ridley or Omega Ridley transformation, because he seems to have his Other M appearance as his default model. :/

That reminds me......I wish I could find the really old drawing I did in High School where Omega Ridley was b*tchslapping Roidley.....oh, good times...

 

[stan423321]

It probably can't be the wall grind, because that would be way too much work for all the stages, and it would be the only Final Smash that only affects one opponent.

Falcon's Final Smash like workaround could work around stage problems if any appear. As of affecting one opponent, is there anything that canonically prevents him for grabbing more of them? That said, I think wall grind based regular throw could be more impressive.

 

[majora_787]

Ridley's final smash is obviously to summon Mecha Ridley. ...And then bludgeon opponents with it using his roided up arms.

That reminds me......I wish I could find the really old drawing I did in High School where Omega Ridley was b*tchslapping Roidley.....oh, good times...

You have the most bizarre obsessions. o_o

 

[aliensalmon]

I think Ridley would be a very awesome fighter! It wouldn't break the game for me if he wasn't in it, though. But after reading some arguments on here and on GameFAQs, it seems that he is more likely being a playable fighter than I originally thought after viewing the 4/8 Direct....

 

[Xhampi]

I think Sakurai could just give Ridley a new move for his final smash, the wall grinding comes from Brawl after all and it was glorious.

 

[majora_787]

I think Sakurai could just give Ridley a new move for his final smash, the wall grinding comes from Brawl after all and it was glorious.

Clearly the wall scrape IS his final smash, it's just cinematic like Captain Falcon's.

 

[Shinru202]

This Pic is the hole on the SSB4 Pyrosphere that is supposedly the hole made by Ridley in Other M....now look at the next Pic....

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This is the hole that Ridley broke though the wall and Samus kindly used it as an improvising escape from the Geothermal Power Plant after beating the living crap out of Ridley...

Notice the Difference?

 

[Snagrio]

So I guess Ridley just whips out a metal wall from hammer space then grinds people on it?

I just realized how wrong that sounds...

 

[AndreaAC]

You have the most bizarre obsessions. o_o

xD what else could I have done? The hatred had taken over me (it was in 2009...or 2010)...so when my teacher said we had to write an story, the first thing that came to my mind was something about Samus and Ridley kicking their Other M counterparts butt...and since i did it by hand, one of the illustrations was that, I do not remember if i wrote that Omega Ridley's slap was so hard that Roidley lost his head.....I do not remember so well....but i remember the image.

 

[Deleted member]

http://smashbros-miiverse.com/stages/pyrosphere
I believe Ridley is being teased the same way as Little Mac
http://smashbros-miiverse.com/stages/boxing-ring-wii-u
Remember when everyone said the Boxing Ring wasn't his? Sakurai made a diferent version of it just to don't give right of the start that he was playable and instead create speculation about it's inclusion, like this:

Boxing gloves in the Boxing Ring, this made Mac's detractors(yes, they existed) think he was deconfirmed, and what makes Ridley's detractors think he is deconfirmed?

"Oh my god! The Metroid is from Metroid and it is in the Pyrosphere in this pic! It is totally a stage boss!"
EDIT: Look what I found! Apparently this was already posted here, but it fits so well in this occasion

 

[AndreaAC]

Wow, I do not remember seeing that pic with ZSSamus and the Metroid....I will be surprised if the caption of the pic wasn't:

"Pic of the Day. The baby, the baby, THE BABY." or something like that.....

 

[Deleted member]

Wow, I do not remember seeing that pic with ZSSamus and the Metroid....I will be surprised if the caption of the pic wasn't:

"Pic of the Day. The baby, the baby, THE BABY." or something like that.....

I don't see a problem with her and the baby, it made me really sad to see Mother Brain murdering it after saving Samus' life

 

[majora_787]

Wow, I do not remember seeing that pic with ZSSamus and the Metroid....I will be surprised if the caption of the pic wasn't:

"Pic of the Day. The baby, the baby, THE BABY." or something like that.....

It wouldn't, because it's a stupid fan-made component of the OMHM which Sakurai doesn't really fuel.

But seriously. People are insane and I have no idea how they can feel like they're able to make good calls on what can and can't work in a video game when they apparently literally know nothing about how video games work.

"Ridley is the only character who can't be balanced! It's the magic of Awesome Skeleton Hell College!"

"Everyone in Smash is a toy, which means Ridley as a toy is still too big and he can't be playable ololol drooling noises"

"People who look at evidence and acknowledge other possibilities in a suspicious situation are just in denial"

Is there a button for headbutting people in the neck over the internet yet?

 

[AndreaAC]

I don't see a problem with her and the baby, it made me really sad to see Mother Brain murdering it after saving Samus' life

There's no problem with that....It's just that she says and talks about "the Baby" so many times (12 times i think) that it gets kind of annoying......

@majora_787 yeah..I know it's a fan made thingy

 

[majora_787]

There's no problem with that....It's just that she says and talks about "the Baby" so many times (12 times i think) that it gets kind of annoying......

@majora_787 yeah..I know it's a find made thingy

She mentions it at very most 10-12 times in the entire game. Admittedly all within the first hour or so of the game, but then never again. The real annoying part was when people then took it and put it in the OMHM, and then it basically became the next "Arrow to the knee".

 

[AndreaAC]

She mentions it at very most 10-12 times in the entire game. Admittedly all within the first hour or so of the game, but then never again. The real annoying part was when people then took it and put it in the OMHM, and then it basically became the next "Arrow to the knee".

Ah....what is OMHM????

 

[Kirbizard]

There's no problem with that....It's just that she says and talks about "the Baby" so many times (12 times i think) that it gets kind of annoying......

The other problem is how she kept using baby when other descriptions would have fit. The Metroid, the infant, it... The script writer had so little vocabulary she just repeats "the baby" so many times.

 

[AndreaAC]

The other problem is how she kept using baby when other descriptions would have fit. The Metroid, the infant, it... The script writer had so little vocabulary she just repeats "the baby" so many times.

the script writer was Yoshio Sakamoto.....

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Dude, she talks about the baby so much, it's like Season 9 of the X-Files.