Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[Asiacrasia]

Man, so much negativity. Guys, Ridley wasn't even deconfirmed at all.

The split second shot of a piece of the model that showed up as the shadow moved was identical to the end of Other M Ridley's tail. And comparing the Shadows structure to Ridley, Meta Ridley, and Other M Ridey, shows a near exact resemblance to Other M Ridley

The big giveaway is the tail. Other M Ridley's tail is long and more thin than the Other 2 Ridley's and also has that white spike (which appeared briefly and can be seen in his shadow)

If you don't believe me, compare them yourselves.

All that happened was that Other M Ridley was shown to be likely the boss on Pyrosphere.

Considering that Other M Ridley isn't even the same being as regular Ridley, I think it's safe to say that Ridley is still completely up in the air.

Edited in a photo

 

[Rosalina suporter]

Found this on Neogaf...

Internet... Why you gotta keep doing this to me??

I agree with this i think that those trophy's are hinting at future reveals.

 

[MagnesD3]

Supposedly the same source that leaked Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, and Mega Man (alongside Little Mac, Mii, and Pac-Man), said that additional newcomers include "Chrom, Palutena, Shulk, Chorus Men, and a Pokemon from X and Y".

12 newcomers for Smash 4 sounds like a solid amount, especially with the amount of time left between now and Smash 4's summer release (possibly September or August).

What is interesting is that although there were a lot of surprises, there was barely any characters on it that were "popular". Pretty much only Mega Man, Little Mac, Palutena, Shulk, Chrom, and to a lesser extent Pac-Man would be construed as popularly requested.

Even more curious is how veteran franchises basically got shafted. Rosalina, Greninja, Palutena, and Chrom being the only four veteran series newcomers sounds a bit underwhelming.

The one plus though about this 12 set of newcomers is how many new Nintendo franchises got represented. Punch-Out, Animal Crossing, Wii Fit, Mii, Xenoblade (stand alone), and Rhythm Heaven all got playable characters.

Even more curious is how few of the characters were characters that existed as popular requests prior to 2010. Pretty much only Mega Man and Little Mac fit that. Pretty much only Little Mac and Mega Man would be the only two characters that were popularly requested during the pre-Brawl era, that managed to get in as newcomers for Smash 4.

Hmm. I wonder how many people are going to take it if Smash 4 has only 12 newcomers and these are them. Well we only got four or five months left of waiting anyway.

If these were the only ones Id be super underwhelmed

 

[silver_blade001]

I still honestly want him as a playable character, but at this moment at least it is shown that Metroid is getting a bit more this game. So no matter what I will be happy (albeit a bit sad) if Ridley at least is shown soon so who knows.

 

[majora_787]

I don't even think any Ridley was confirmed to be a boss on Pyrosphere in the same way the guy from the Find Mii stage is or Yellow Devil. Instead I think it's more, "This guy who is a boss like all the time appears on Pyrosphere. As a boss? Who knows. Who even is this guy we can't event ell by this mysterious shadow"

 

[silver_blade001]

Instead I think it's more, "This guy who is a boss like all the time appears on Pyrosphere. As a boss? Who knows. Who even is this guy we can't event ell by this mysterious shadow"

Ok I think I got it now,

"Mysterious Shadow" joins the battle.

 

[Oasis_S]

You sound more in denial than me, I at least except he might be a boss or playable while you cant except he hasnt been totally disconfirmed yet, it sounds like you are pitiful for being afraid to put up more hope.

I, nor the previous title, ever suggested he was completely out of the picture.

I reiterated many times the title was both accurate and warranted for the evidence we have been presented with, and that made some uncomfortable for reasons unknown. I can only Speculate that they are just being big babies.

Like, I can agree things are fishy. But I'm not going to cling to that. I personally don't have any reason to because the presentation left me very excited for Smash and I don't really care what is revealed at this point I just want to play it.

 

[majora_787]

Ok I think I got it now,

"Mysterious Shadow" joins the battle.

Yes. And it will be confirmed by teasing Black Shadow.

A black shadow is descending from space at high speeds! Equipped with the true evil intent the galaxy fears, this shadow is none other than... A MYSTERIOUS SHADOW which is obviously not Black Shadow and TOTALLY not Ridley!

 

[Koopaul]

I'll leave my signature unchanged for now just so I don't feed any fire.

 

[Rosalina suporter]

I re-watched that video and it seems fishy the way Ridley moves he moves like hes being controlled by a player,I think maybe he starts out as a boss but you unlock him to be a playable character.

 

[RomanceDawn]

While I still have a tiny bit of hope I would like to start a little mini campaign asking Sakurai why. Everyone on this page of the forum should have a 3DS or Wii U and for corn sakes participate with me! I will write up a post in English and Japanese just asking "If Ridley can't be a fighter, what are your reasons for that Sakurai?" If we ultimately don't get Ridley don't you want a little more closure? Won't you at least feel better hearing something more than the vague comments we got in 08?!

Follow me, RomanceDawn, on Miiverse! I will have an English one on the English speaking side and a Japanese one on the Japanese side naturally. All you will need to do is copy and paste from me!

It would take a long time to get an answer. Probably not until post release. But I am asking every single one of you to make your voices heard! One post a day on each side of Miiverse! Either in the pic of the day comments or right out in the general section. We flood the comments and demand reasons. They will take notice and at the very least we can know why.

Who speaks fluent Japanese? Once I get the original post down we just copy and paste every day, and I mean EVERY day until we are acknowledged in interviews, Nintendo Directs or the Miiverse itself! Once in Japanese and once in English, every, single, day!

Now are we going to just sit around wishing for a better day?! Speak up be heard if we don't say a word everything will be the same way! Now who's with me?!

 

[Koopaul]

That won't do anything. Also it's too early to do something like that anyway.

 

[MagnesD3]

Does anyone have a timer on how long till E3 is... I just wanna know, Sakurai is so darn mean...

 

[Oasis_S]

I would definitely want some closure, TRULY, but I don't feel like those methods would be very effective.

Mostly it would just come off as annoying and whiny, AMPLIFIED BY A GREAT LARGE NUMBER when people who supported other character mimicked us. There's nothing really special about Ridley that would make him stand out of that crowd to your average person.

 

[RomanceDawn]

That won't do anything. Also it's too early to do something like that anyway.

Oh ye of little faith, if you make enough noise someone will listen. I didn't say it will get us Ridley, I'm saying we could get insight into Sakurai's thought process.

Oh Oasis you to? Have none of you ever listened to hit Chip Slylark single Find Your Voice?

Fine, if everyone feels the same way when I go to E3 and talk to Nintendo reps about it personally I'll just keep it to myself.

 

[Oasis_S]

A one-on-one conversation is different than endlessly spamming some service hoping someone notable takes notice.

 

[N3ON]

I'd like to bring this handsome gentleman to peoples' attention to remind some how larger, scarier versions of the same character can simultaneously exist as both playable and a boss.

That is all. :3

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

But a Giga Ridley doesn't exist yet.

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[Kenith]

But a Giga Ridley doesn't exist yet.

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What? You never heard of Roidley? Or Omega Ridley?

Also, I'd like to point out that Giga Bowser doesn't exist outside of Smash Bros.

 

[Oasis_S]

I wish I could photoshop so that I could make Ridley all blue and weird wearing a bib with a poorly drawn mouth on it and holding a paintbrush and say "Shadow Ridley confirmed" I bet that would be really funny.

 

[N3ON]

Also, I'd like to point out that Giga Bowser doesn't exist outside of Smash Bros.

Giga Bowser and Bowser are still the same individual.

 

[Kenith]

Giga Bowser and Bowser are still the same individual.

That...wasn't the point I was making....

 

[N3ON]

That...wasn't the point I was making....

Well then carry on then!
*runs away*

 

[Oasis_S]

Now look what you gone and done you shiny eye whirly hair *******.

 

[Kenith]

Now look what you gone and done you shiny eye whirly hair *******.

...Who...who are you talking to...?

 

[Oasis_S]

...Who...who are you talking to...?

IF YOU DIDNT THINK IT WAS YOU THEN YOU WOULDNT HAVE ASKED BRO LETS GO SHINY THUMB VS YOUR SHINY EYE

 

[N3ON]

This is all too shiny for me let's try and get back on topic.

 

[PurpleSpaceDragon]

I posted this in the Official Character Discussion Thread but I want to make sure people here can see it too

I'm completely convinced that Ridley will in fact be playable.

Here's my logic:

1) Sakurai has never acted intentionally mean towards, or taunted, Smash fans. All of his so-called "trolls", such as the pseudo-Palutena trophy and the Zero Suit Samus disconfirmation fakeout, turned, or will turn, disappointing news into good news:

• Everyone considers Palutena to be a shoe-in at this point, so the trophy fakeout was just a tease where Sakurai was basically saying, "Ha, I bet you thought I was going to show Palutena in SSB4 for the first time! Nope!" He knows that just about everyone knows she'll be playable, and that everyone wants to see her. So as long as he eventually brings good news to the fans (a playable Palutena, which will certainly happen), this bait and switch will in retrospect be viewed as a simple and goodhearted prank.

• With the Zamus prank, it only took a few seconds for him to say "nah, she's back and better than ever!"
• All of his other jokes have been lighthearted, and only unreasonable people thought that the Waluigi thing was a cruel taunt at Waluigi's supporters.

2) With Ridley, Sakurai knows that Smash fans, for as long as Ridley isn't explicitly acknowledged in a direct quote from Sakurai to be a boss/hazard and nothing else, will expect that his crypticness regarding Ridley and the way he dances around Ridley's role in Smash 4 is just another one of Sakurai's "make it look bad at first, then reveal it as good and cause hype" pranks.

3) Sakurai knows that the fans are on pins and needles waiting to find out if Ridley is a playable character in SSB4. He also knows that Ridley is requested more than anyone save Mewtwo worldwide.

4) Therefore, Sakurai knows that we (the massive group of Ridley fans) will stay hopeful and expect Ridley to be playable as long as Sakurai keeps up the crypticness, just as he knows that Palutena's fans will stay hyped for as long as he teases things like the trophy takeout, Palutena's Temple, the PotD of the 3 goddesses (Viridi, Rosalina, Zelda) on the night of the Palutena leak, etc. Sakurai also knows that we will be very upset if Ridley ultimately does end up as non-playable. Sakurai also knows that we, the fans, will think poorly of his character if the ultimate outcome of all of this is that Ridley isn't playable. He knows that we expect him to treat fans and their wishes with respect.

Sakurai is a goodnatured, smart and logical guy. He doesn't want the fans to be upset, and, moreover, doesn't want the fans to be mad at him for cruelly stringing them along all this time.

Therefore, he wouldn't treat Ridley as such a mystery (his enigmatic comment for the Pyrosphere reveal pic of the day, showing just Ridley's shadow, showing dozens of Pyrosphere pics with no Ridley, etc) for so long without ultimately giving fans what they want: playable Ridley.

To sum it up, Sakurai is as much aware of the current meta-environment surrounding the speculation of Ridley's involvement in Smash 4 as we are.

Ridley will be playable.

 

[Oasis_S]

If Ridley does turn out to be playable, I will be convinced Sakurai felt he needed to greatly humble us since Ridley supporters have a long, I'm going to say infamous? history of being really arrogant. AND AS ONE WHO SAID ON MANY OCCASIONS THAT I BELIEVED HE WAS ABSOLUTELY GOING TO HAPPEN 100% I SAY IT WAS DARN WARRANTED. And it doesn't help that we without a doubt had the dumbest detractors to fuel it all on.

 

[Deleted member]

Now the worst part is to endure Ridley detractors' comments as they now look so convinced he won't make in as playable.

Especially in French Nintendo infos/fans websites, where there're some guys who became vulgar and even merciless to the very few people who still have a minimum of hope.

 

[Kenith]

Now the worst part is to support Ridley detractors' comments as they now look so convinced he won't make in as playable.

Especially in French Nintendo infos/fans websites, where there're some guys who became vulgar and even merciless to the very few people who still have a minimum of hope.

Plot twist: You're one of those guys.

Kidding. Shokio apparently did some something similar to this. Now I want Ridley to be playable if not only so we can shut those guys up.

 

[Koopaul]

When other characters get deconfirmed nobody believes it was because they "couldn't" be playable. Nobody is going to say Waluigi couldn't work as a character, no one is going to say Starfy couldn't work as a character. But Ridley? When he gets deconfirmed many believe he never could be a playable character.

That's what makes it worse than other deconfirmations.

 

[Mypantisgone]

Just asking: Has any asshole come into this thread yet since the direct?

 

[JediLink]

Just asking: Has any ******* come into this thread yet since the direct?

You might want to explain what those asterisks mean.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Thats interesting. However, for the sake of continuous arguing whether or not he is a playable character or not let us just wait till E3. I'm sure we will get our answer there if not sooner. Thinking about how would a final smash work for Ridley? Summon MotherBrain from Super Metroid? would work for me! or even Kraid/ or that Phantoon (spelling)

Very well

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

You might want to explain what those asterisks mean.

They're used to censor words that are inappropriate for the forums.

 

[Anomilus]

I think we really should consider Sakurai's nature and pattern of activity before we so eagerly declare him to be a "troll" over this situation.

Firstly... "prankster" and "troll" are not interchangeable. The former is a trick intended to deceive or mislead for humor that also has the victim in mind. The latter attempts to rile up targets and only becomes a prank if it reveals itself to be so.

The ZSS fake out is a prank. It misled the viewers into believing ZSS was excluded, then quickly turned it into a moment of humor by revealing the truth.
The Pseudo-Palutena reveal was a prank. Got some thinking they were about to reveal Palutena as a trophy and thus possibly not playable, then quickly surprised them and revealed the truth.

All throughout the Direct Sakurai was being a prankster. Which he has admitted to be before. It shows through his actions and decisions, and it is indeed pretty funny and entertaining.

This whole Ridley fiasco however is genuine trolling. Which might not be acceptable depending on how it's handled. And that's a problem, because I don't believe Sakurai intends to genuinely troll the fanbase. At least it doesn't follow his self-proven style.

What we currently have right now is not a "Ha, gotcha!" moment. Things like "Direct . . . or of Smash Bros." is a Gotcha! moment. The Sakurai Substitute is a Gotcha! moment (sort of). Flashing a shadow of a highly requested character during a segment centered around a theme that suggests unplayability is not funny and is not going to lead to a "Ha, gotcha!" moment. At best it is misdirection of the worst kind. At worst it is a terrible attempt to admit what many consider to be bad news.

I want people to consider any other time Sakurai has been this coy and sly about any reveal. Any time during the pre-Brawl era. Any other time during this current era. Not even the statue of Palutena is at this level of redirection. Everything we've seen so far of Palutena can only lead us to conclude that she's in the game somehow. Her role remains ambiguous, however likely the expected end result seems.

Heck, we've all considered Sakurai's non-use of Palutena and Ridley's names in the PotD. But we never considered that Ridley's appearance on the Pyrosphere was alluded while it was never alluded that Palutena would make any appearance. We focused on Sakurai potentially referencing Other M. Which was definitely possible.

It's unfortunate that Sakurai is going this route and not being direct about Ridley's fate. However, at this point in time if there's any "deluding" going on, I believe it's the intermingling of "prankster" and "troll" and applying this logic to Sakurai. Apparently, as long as Sakurai is a troll and trolling, Ridley's chances continue to remain up in the air. But is that really how Sakurai does things? Long-term misdirection and groan-inducing build up?

 

[DarkKry4]

When other characters get deconfirmed nobody believes it was because they "couldn't" be playable. Nobody is going to say Waluigi couldn't work as a character, no one is going to say Starfy couldn't work as a character. But Ridley? When he gets deconfirmed many believe he never could be a playable character.

That's what makes it worse than other deconfirmations.

It would be the final nail the coffin i think..... if he turns out to be a boss character (yet again)

otherwise... if they were ever serious about making him playable, they'd have done it in Brawl

Toad and Ridley are in the same boat.... popular but Sakurai sees them in a role that doesn't include being playable.

I can see a big drop for Ridley support in future releases if doesn't become playable in this release.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

ill Make this clear. Im not a ridly supporter, as a matter of fact 2 months ago was completely against him. ( Stoped caring because he has a strong fan base)
But when sakurai showed his shadow on pyrophere that was undeniable proof that he was playable. sakurai is trolling if he was not he woulda showed him attacking people on the stage. And now to my more concrete point, if you watch the shadow it looks like an idle animation but it seriously felt like some one tilted the control stick when ridly's shadow moved off. it's just that sense of jittery human control im getting.
(yeah it may not be undeniable but im sure after this someone will agree.)

 

[DarkKry4]

ill Make this clear. Im not a ridly supporter, as a matter of fact 2 months ago was completely against him. ( Stoped caring because he has a strong fan base)
But when sakurai showed his shadow on pyrophere that was undeniable proof that he was playable. sakurai is trolling if he was not he woulda showed him attacking people on the stage. And now to my more concrete point, if you watch the shadow it looks like an idle animation but it seriously felt like some one tilted the control stick when ridly's shadow moved off. it's just that sense of jittery human control im getting.
(yeah it may not be undeniable but im sure after this someone will agree.)

it doesn't prove anything other than Ridley's shadow was in the Pyrosphere