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Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

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Question: How much disappointed would you be if Ridley isn't in the game? Would you consider not buying/boycotting it?
I wouldn't plan on buying the Wii U version. However, it might be possible that I would consider getting the 3DS version if it has some of my other most wanted characters, like King K. Rool or the FE Avatar.

Either way, I would lose a lot of trust in Sakurai.
 

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I would buy the game regardless, as it's shaping up to be an amazing one. I do not only play Smash for the characters, I play for the sheer fun of it.
Eh, the characters are a big part of the game to me, I would say I play for them as much as I plan for teh fun. I am not saying I will boycott the game if Ridley isn't in, tho. Portable Smash was something I always wanted, so I am certainly picking the 3DS version regardless of which characters are in.
Either way, I would lose a lot of trust in Sakurai.
Yup, same here.
 
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I'm hoping for more of a hybrid of Other M/Zero Mission Ridley. Even though I don't like Other M Ridley, it would probably work the best for a fighter (being more humanoid then the other Ridley's) and I have confidence they can make it look better (I mean, Samus' Other M suit, which was awful, actually looks badass here!)

As for Ridley's size, on the ground its quite clear that he will be hunched over, so it won't be a problem.

I think that would be saved for his dash, and his normal walking would be just walking bipedal-esque on his hind legs like that of classic Smash Bowser.


And this is basically taking it and putting it at a playable perspective.
Oddly enough, I would actually prefer him a little bigger (maybe its just his walk animation that makes him hunched over)...but otherwise, looks good.

I'm still pretty curious about Pyrosphere, though. If Ridley is unfortunately a stage hazard, then it would be really nice if Sakurai just flat out announced it and get it out of the way, but he still hasn't yet. I have low expectations, but the wait for that "moment of truth" is still agonizing.

Question: How much disappointed would you be if Ridley isn't in the game? Would you consider not buying/boycotting it?
Nah, as I have low expectations to begin with. Though at the very least, I would like a thorough explanation from Sakurai (maybe in a interview or something) as to why he's still against putting Ridley in, as he's the only character from Metroid that needs to get in if Metroid is to have another rep (with maybe Dark Samus behind him, but not before Ridley).
 

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Question: How much disappointed would you be if Ridley isn't in the game? Would you consider not buying/boycotting it?
I would buy it, even if at first im going to be ENRAGED, but later i may acept the cruel fact the he is not in the game, and be happy playing as Rosie and the other characters i already use (and kill the ones i hate...)
 
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Question: How much disappointed would you be if Ridley isn't in the game? Would you consider not buying/boycotting it?
Well, I would be quite disappointed, really. I think Ridley really is the closest thing we have at this point to a perfect character choice; he's an incredibly important character to a large, successful, and popular franchise that is currently underrepresented in Smash, and he has plenty to bring to the table as a unique fighter. But at the same time, it's really hard to know what Sakurai thinks of him, and maybe he does just want him as a boss/hazard/thing (I sincerely hope not, though. I would like to think he's better than that). So while I would be very disappointed, ultimately, as with any character, there's always that idea that they just won't make it, and I've always acknowledged that as a possibility. So hopefully I'm prepared for that outcome.

Would I consider not buying the game or even boycotting it? Goodness, no. In the end, it's ultimately one character. A VERY deserving one whose absence (or appearance) will cause riots in the streets, but just one character nonetheless. I personally don't judge this game based on whether or not this one character I want gets in. I judge it based on whether or not the game lives up to its name as the ultimate gathering of Nintedo's All Stars. Even if Ridley isn't there, I'm sure there will be (and there already are) plenty of good characters that deserve the spot. More than anything, really, I just want the roster of this game to feel complete, and Ridley is one of the key missing pieces. While I would be very disappointed by his absence, as I was with Mewtwo in Brawl, I'll still enjoy all the other good aspects of the game.

That's my stance on the matter anyway.
 

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Question: How much disappointed would you be if Ridley isn't in the game? Would you consider not buying/boycotting it?
No, I'd buy the game regardless. If he's not playable in the initial game, he could always be made DLC since it's been a consideration but will not be started until the initial game is completed. Regardless, the only character not making it that would really make me question buying it is Mewtwo, because while Ridley is a very likely character, Mewtwo is a character that NEEDS to be in at this time.

Ergo, there's at least reasons to not include Ridley when it comes down to it, but there is NO reason Mewtwo should not be playable.
 
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Mewtwo not getting in would be inexcusable. There's no reason the most popular Pokemon legendary to be absent again. You could make up reasons for Ridley, albeit mostly terrible, but no one could make even utter a small excuse for Mewtwo not being in, especially after the Mega Evolution hype he got in X & Y.

There are plenty of Ridley and K. Rool fans that will howl if their character turns out to be non-playable, but that wouldn't even compare to the nuclear bomb that would go off if it turns out Mewtwo got shafted again. Worse if Miis find their way into the game. Sakurai would have to deal with hell from the fans.
 
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We're so close...so close to that number....

So, I think Ridley is too big. Anyone second it?
 

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Mewtwo not getting in would be inexcusable. There's no reason the most popular Pokemon legendary to be absent again. You could make up reasons for Ridley, albeit mostly terrible, but no one could make even utter a small excuse for Mewtwo not being in, especially after the Mega Evolution hype he got in X & Y.

There are plenty of Ridley and K. Rool fans that will howl if their character turns out to be non-playable, but that wouldn't even compare to the nuclear bomb that would go off if it turns out Mewtwo got shafted again. Worse if Miis find their way into the game. Sakurai would have to deal with hell from the fans.
Well, it's true, but I don't think we really need to overall worry. Because we know that thanks to Little Mac that we're getting our opinions heard too, and we want Mewtwo over here just as much as Japan does, basically everybody wants Mewtwo to come back, he's got the perfect reasons to do so. He's got so much going for him, he's one of the most popular pokemon in existence, his legendary status basically has been untouched ever since the year he was created, basically, Mewtwo's the only character I can even begin to call a Shoe-in.

That being said, if Ridley is ever considered not playable but was originally planned to be playable at one point, the thing I see to be his biggest obstacle is how long he'd take to program. Now, I know this is definitely alot less strict this time around, especially when you look at the fact that Sakurai's development team so far is HUGE compared to that of Brawl's, so more people working to get things done faster is a serious bonus on our parts, but if Ridley is not made playable, that will most likely be the reason. However, I do feel that Sakurai would try to do something different and once again try to create something he once deemed impossible, but I sincerely believe that if anyone can do it...it's Sakurai.
 

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Question: How much disappointed would you be if Ridley isn't in the game? Would you consider not buying/boycotting it?
I find it difficult these days to measure my potential disappointment should Ridley not be in. I know I'll be very disappointed with Sakurai and I'll definitely want some sort of explanation. But I know I won't have much of a chance to process it; I and all of us will be too busy fighting off the hoard of idiots craving to get their jollies from rubbing Ridley's exclusion in our faces. Ridley not getting in is a sizable wound, and the naysayers are the battery acid that's thrown in the wound. I don't think I'd have much of anywhere to express any disappointment without it being used against me.

Ashley's exclusion? That was like a car bomb going off that had a portion of the fanbase pretty darn flustered.
Ridley's exclusion will be like a nuke going off in the fanbase, resulting in a huge fallout of indistinguishable chaos. It will be a mess.

...Of course, should Mewtwo be excluded, I liken that to a freakin' comet collision, casting black cloud of chilly death engulfing the fanbase. Sakurai WILL know he screwed up, no mistake about that. And this is from somebody who honestly isn't hyped about Mewtwo's possible return.
 

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Doesn't seem very Ridley to me.
There's one BIG notable difference between the two...

Ridley is SKINNY......that cat is fat....

@Sehnsucht Sorry if that comment i made before offended you....i did not know you liked the cat....
 
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There's one BIG notable difference between the two...

Ridley got intelligence......that cat did not....
Big the Cat has very strong emotional intelligence, as it happens. You need only examine his relationship to Froggy to see this in action.

Also, forget Rosalina & Luma. Big the Cat & Froggy is where it's at.
 

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Enough about Big the Cat. Let's talk more about Ridley's potential long-lost sibling:

Both are reptilian ferocious monsters, are good with kids, purple, and so on. I mean, the similarities are glaringly obvious. If he doesn't deserve alternate costume status, then I don't know what does.

In all seriousness, if Ridley were to have one alt costume, it'd have to be Omega Ridley.
 

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Enough about Big the Cat. Let's talk more about Ridley's potential long-lost sibling:

Both are reptilian ferocious monsters, are good with kids, purple, and so on. I mean, the similarities are glaringly obvious. If he doesn't deserve alternate costume status, then I don't know what does.

In all seriousness, if Ridley were to have one alt costume, it'd have to be Omega Ridley.
I think THAT would be far more terrifying in Smash than Ridley could ever hope to be.
 

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So I heard an interesting point about Pyrosphere earlier, and I wanted to hear some opinions. The guy was saying that Ridley is a hazard, and the reason he hasn't been shown on PS yet is because it would kill hype for the game due to how highly requested he is. Obviously I don't really buy it, but I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed either, so is that actually a legitimate reason? I heard it on the Japantime podcast or whatever the hell it's called.

Just some food for thought. And to answer the question that was posed earlier, yeah I'd be fairly disappointed but I'm still buying the game either way. Probably both versions because I'm a sucker.
 

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So I heard an interesting point about Pyrosphere earlier, and I wanted to hear some opinions. The guy was saying that Ridley is a hazard, and the reason he hasn't been shown on PS yet is because it would kill hype for the game due to how highly requested he is. Obviously I don't really buy it, but I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed either, so is that actually a legitimate reason? I heard it on the Japantime podcast or whatever the hell it's called.

Just some food for thought. And to answer the question that was posed earlier, yeah I'd be fairly disappointed but I'm still buying the game either way. Probably both versions because I'm a sucker.
Well, they had no issue showing off characters like Ashley and Skull Kid, and you can see how people reacted to that. I feel like if Ridley was a hazard, they would probably reveal it as soon as possible so as to not build up hope and proceed to crush it down the line. That would just be a sadistic move on their part. Sounds like something I would do...
 

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Well, they had no issue showing off characters like Ashley and Skull Kid, and you can see how people reacted to that. I feel like if Ridley was a hazard, they would probably reveal it as soon as possible so as to not build up hope and proceed to crush it down the line. That would just be a sadistic move on their part. Sounds like something I would do...
Skull Kid's a good point, I've seen him requested a lot since the pre brawl days. Those poor, poor Skull Kid fans... Did Ashley ever get a lot of support? I really never noticed. But that's getting away from the topic.

If Ridley gets a sweet intro video, it would be cool if it involved him interrupting Samus and Mac fighting, and then teaming up with Samus to defeat Mac.
 

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So I heard an interesting point about Pyrosphere earlier, and I wanted to hear some opinions. The guy was saying that Ridley is a hazard, and the reason he hasn't been shown on PS yet is because it would kill hype for the game due to how highly requested he is. Obviously I don't really buy it, but I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed either, so is that actually a legitimate reason? I heard it on the Japantime podcast or whatever the hell it's called.

Just some food for thought. And to answer the question that was posed earlier, yeah I'd be fairly disappointed but I'm still buying the game either way. Probably both versions because I'm a sucker.
Well, they had no issue showing off characters like Ashley and Skull Kid, and you can see how people reacted to that. I feel like if Ridley was a hazard, they would probably reveal it as soon as possible so as to not build up hope and proceed to crush it down the line. That would just be a sadistic move on their part. Sounds like something I would do...
What's more, Little Mac has changed the game a bit when it comes to Ridley's chances. His inclusion reveals two key points:

A) You status in past Smash games is not necessarily an obstacle for inclusion in a future one. Little Mac was an Assist Trophy in Brawl, and characters such as Isaac and Samurai Goroh (who rank among the most Smash-worthy ATs) consequently have a greater shot at inclusion.

This would also apply to bosses, such as Ridley. There is now less justification to say that Ridley's previous boss status invalidates his chances for inclusion.

B) A Newcomer's home stage can be revealed long before said Newcomer is ever revealed. The Punch-Out Ring was revealed way back in E3, yet Little Mac was only revealed eight months later (and they had to disguise the Boxing Ring to downplay the parallels). Similarly, the existence of Gateway Galaxy was alluded to months before Rosalina's reveal (and I think the stage was actual shown before Rosalina, IIRC).

Pyrosphere is the site of the Samus-Ridley fight in Other M. If Ridley were to have any home stage, it would be Pyrosphere. The Wii U Kid Icarus stage revealed last month, the Fire Emblem Awakening stage on the 3DS, Pyrosphere; these may be alluding to Newcomers that we have yet to see (namely, Palutena and a new FE character).

And of course, we have the plethora of other arguments in Ridley's favour, elaborated upon ad nauseam in this thread. Suffice it to say that Ridley has every reason to be in SSB4, and to exclude him for anything other than crippling time/development constraints would mark this as a woefully missed opportunity on the part of Sora (/Namco-Bandai).

As an aside, these points have probably already been addressed by now. But I figured that I'd take to formalize these more recent arguments in a single convenient post.
 

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Skull Kid's a good point, I've seen him requested a lot since the pre brawl days. Those poor, poor Skull Kid fans... Did Ashley ever get a lot of support? I really never noticed. But that's getting away from the topic.

If Ridley gets a sweet intro video, it would be cool if it involved him interrupting Samus and Mac fighting, and then teaming up with Samus to defeat Mac.
OH, she had support alright...



This is just one individual who wanted her in. If I recall, someone made a large compilation of reaction posts for Ashley that was filled with posts worse than this. Actually, if someone could dig that up for me, that'd be great to emphasize my point further. I mean, if a relatively unlikely but fairly popular character received such terrible reactions for being disconfirmed, imagine how people would react if, after all this buildup for him, Ridley was de-confirmed.

EDIT: Never mind about the compilation thing. Anomilus was smart enough to post it before me. Well done.
 
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Wow...well, uh shows what I know (i.e. nothing). *Insert Game of Thrones joke*.

To be fair, last time I really spent much time on message boards talking about Smash was when the Nsider forums still existed. Nor do I see much character discussion on Reddit. Just people posting videos of matches. Maybe I just don't pay attention.

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If Ridley isn't playable they just hyped the game up, it would be a terrible choice not to include him. If he turns out as a stage hazard on pyrosphere, why won't they just announce it, either he's playable or a hazard. A hazard wouldn't be good for him, that's a kraid thing. If he gets announced, it will be at E3 when it's most watched, most hyped character at most hyped time, if he is playable they would be smart too save the reveal
 

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What if they'll make us wait all the way until the game release to see if Ridley is in? Then again, that at least would be a nod towards him NOT being playable, as he definitely is among the best hype-material and should be revealed beforehand imo. Just gotta keep hoping for the best!
 

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If Ridley isn't playable they just hyped the game up, it would be a terrible choice not to include him. If he turns out as a stage hazard on pyrosphere, why won't they just announce it, either he's playable or a hazard. A hazard wouldn't be good for him, that's a kraid thing. If he gets announced, it will be at E3 when it's most watched, most hyped character at most hyped time, if he is playable they would be smart too save the reveal
Speaking of Kraid, does anyone else appreciate Brinstar Depths from Melee? Sweet stage.
 

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Speaking of Kraid, I want Crocomire as stage hazard ._.
What if they'll make us wait all the way until the game release to see if Ridley is in? Then again, that at least would be a nod towards him NOT being playable, as he definitely is among the best hype-material and should be revealed beforehand imo. Just gotta keep hoping for the best!
Sakurai would have to stop showing the Pyrosphere stage eventually if he isn't planning on revealing Ridley before the release, be it as a playable character or as a goddamn stage hazard. There is not much to show about the stage anyway, unless you should Ridley in some way.
 
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Speaking of Kraid, does anyone else appreciate Brinstar Depths from Melee? Sweet stage.
I've always wondered what it would look like with four playable Ridleys on the stage fighting each other.

Here's to hoping that Melee-era stages come back for this game.
 

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I know this is late but did anyone else notice Mario on that Mother Brain Picture?
 
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