Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[Reila]

But the official artwork and his Prime appearances have a smaller head. Are you saying those aren't Ridley? I'm pretty sure his head is only big in-game to allow for detail.

Ridley's head in the Prime series seems pretty big to me. Tbh I don't know why we are even arguing about this.

 

[CardiganBoy]

Intelligent people don't use steroids.

EDIT: I just thought of something else. Whenever we argue that Ridley is sometimes shown to be only slightly bigger than Samus, I see Metroid 1 and the Melee intro brought up a lot, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone mention this:

On the Super Metroid box, Ridley is as big as Samus.

Normally boxarts are quite ambiguous, here's the japanese one:

i can see that Samus is much closer of the viewpoint and Ridley and Kraid are very far, yet they are clearly huge.

 

[Kamiko]

Ridley's head in the Prime series seems pretty big to me. Tbh I don't know why we are even arguing about this.

It's not as big as the whole rest of his body though, is what I mean. Brawl Ridley's proportions are comical.

 

[SchAlternate]

Well, looks like Morbid has arrived.

 

[IsmaR]

You guys will never believe where I've been.

Also, nice to see a lot more newcomers/regulars band together and spread the good word, along with the vets make these great comparisons/arguments.

 

[False Sense]

I commented on that Ridley Request video bashing Smashboards. Let's see the harpy reply.

I assume that your comment is the most recent one? Excellent summary of what was wrong with his arguments. As someone here said earlier, what's really sad about this whole Ridley issue is that people can come in, say Ridley being resized would be stupid, and act like it's proof. And follow it with "case closed." A character "being stupid" is absolutely no reason to exclude them from the roster, as what is stupid and what isn't is entirely opinion based, and, like all opinions, will not be agreed upon by everyone.

Ugh, that video is just painful to watch...

 

[Starcutter]

You guys will never believe where I've been.

try me.

 

[Morbi]

I assume that your comment is the most recent one? Excellent summary of what was wrong with his arguments. As someone here said earlier, what's really sad about this whole Ridley issue is that people can come in, say Ridley being resized would be stupid, and act like it's proof. And follow it with "case closed." A character "being stupid" is absolutely no reason to exclude them from the roster, as what is stupid and what isn't is entirely opinion based, and, like all opinions, will not be agreed upon by everyone.

Ugh, that video is just painful to watch...

Are we alluding to Shokio's video? If not, could you perhaps provide me with a link? I wish to endure the mental decadence!

That being said, I don't necessarily enjoy how dismissive both sides to the Ridley debate are, that is why I tend to not get involved (despite being an avid Ridley supporter that actually detracts Ridley, not using the size argument, no... I prefer to use objective facts in my arguments and you can't beat blatant statements made by Sakurai himself).

 

[APC99]

I assume that your comment is the most recent one? Excellent summary of what was wrong with his arguments. As someone here said earlier, what's really sad about this whole Ridley issue is that people can come in, say Ridley being resized would be stupid, and act like it's proof. And follow it with "case closed." A character "being stupid" is absolutely no reason to exclude them from the roster, as what is stupid and what isn't is entirely opinion based, and, like all opinions, will not be agreed upon by everyone.

Ugh, that video is just painful to watch...

Im the Conker avi, yes.

 

[Xhampi]

You guys will never believe where I've been.

Have you been to Nintendo Japan and torture Sakurai until he accept to put Ridley in SSB4 as a playable character =D ?

 

[False Sense]

Are we alluding to Shokio's video? If not, could you perhaps provide me with a link? I wish to endure the mental decadence!

That being said, I don't necessarily enjoy how dismissive both sides to the Ridley debate are, that is why I tend to not get involved (despite being an avid Ridley supporter that actually detracts Ridley, not using the size argument, no... I prefer to use objective facts in my arguments and you can't beat blatant statements made by Sakurai himself).

Well, I believe the link was posted awhile back, but I guess I can bring this headache back in here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeTHCtyHqQ

Now, I always do my best to see both sides of a debate and consider the points of both sides. I can understand why people are hesitant to put Ridley in Smash. Yes, he would have to be downsized, and yes, that will be weird for some people. And yes, there may be technical difficulties in making him work because of his large tail and wings. On the flip side, I don't think that would stop them from putting in this iconic character.

However, what makes videos like this so incredibly painful to endure is the sheer level of narrow-minded thinking. This guy is just one of those guys that thinks Ridley as a completely impossible character due to his size, and acts as if every person who supports Ridley is a completely illogical idiot who has never played a Metroid game. Basically he's suggesting that any true Metroid fan would say that Ridley being smaller isn't Ridley, and logically the best character options for Smash are the hunter characters.

 

[SchAlternate]

Are we alluding to Shokio's video? If not, could you perhaps provide me with a link? I wish to endure the mental decadence!

That being said, I don't necessarily enjoy how dismissive both sides to the Ridley debate are, that is why I tend to not get involved (despite being an avid Ridley supporter that actually detracts Ridley, not using the size argument, no... I prefer to use objective facts in my arguments and you can't beat blatant statements made by Sakurai himself).

WARNING: Contains stupid.

 

[Sehnsucht]

WARNING: Contains stupid.

I kept on expecting him to sprout a beak and wings and tail as a result of his impotent rage.

 

[False Sense]

WARNING: Contains stupid.

Probably worth mentioning his ultimate rebuttal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDDLDi_H8pM

I wish I had time to dissect these videos in great detail and rip it to shreds... that would be so satisfying...

 

[Morbi]

WARNING: Contains stupid.

I just got done watching it, and to be honest... I am not entirely convinced that he was serious. I assume it is just a joke video, if he is actually serious, I can see why many are somewhat offended that this human-being actually exists.

I mean, personally, as a Ridley supporter, I wouldn't mind if he was Pichu sized. It is the thought that counts, not the size. I am more worried about the technical ramifications and what it entails to his aesthetics on the inferior hardware, the 3DS. I am worried about performance and limitations, not his size. I don't know why I feel obligated to make that apparent, perhaps I do not wish to be associated with such ill-conceived mentalities.

 

[IsmaR]

try me.

Never heard of it. Either way no, it wasn't try me.

Have you been to Nintendo Japan and torture Sakurai until he accept to put Ridley in SSB4 as a playable character =D ?

I don't believe in torture for anything other than pleasure. This would count as business.

 

[Starcutter]

Never heard of it. Either way no, it wasn't try me.

that description under your name is pretty acurate.


well, minus the "of death" part. I wouldn't know that part or not.

 

[Empyrean]

I mean, personally, as a Ridley supporter, I wouldn't mind if he was Pichu sized.

You sure about that? Don't take my word for it, but I think it might be a tad overkill...

 

[Morbi]

You sure about that? Don't take my word for it, but I think it might be a tad overkill...

Hyperbole; that being said, his size is completely and utterly irrelevant to me. It isn't pertinent to his character. I wouldn't personally mind if he was as small as Pichu, of course, others would undoubtedly attempt to incite my public execution if they ever found out that I gave the idea to Sakurai.

 

[BKupa666]

@ APC99 I laughed at the bit about the Tutorial Pigs.

Also, everyone go upvote my link to the Smash Bros. Canon video I posted here...I want to make some Too Bigot heads asplode.

 

[False Sense]

Hyperbole; that being said, his size is completely and utterly irrelevant to me. It isn't pertinent to his character. I wouldn't personally mind if he was as small as Pichu, of course, others would undoubtedly attempt to incite my public execution if they ever found out that I gave the idea to Sakurai.

Well, we can at least take comfort in the fact that, if Ridley were playable, there's a 99.9% chance that Ridley will be a very large character.

Either that or Sakurai would just want to take trolling the too big crowd one step further.

 

[Morbi]

Well, we can at least take comfort in the fact that, if Ridley were playable, there's a 99.9% chance that Ridley will be a very large character.

Either that or Sakurai would just want to take trolling the too big crowd one step further.

Indeed, and large characters tend to be my favorites. I am planning on maining Ridley. I just cannot fathom or comprehend how he would be implemented. I don't have an over-active imagination, in fact, I am not very creative at all, so that might be the inherent problem I am faced with. I just find that many wish for Ridley to predominately utilize his aerials in a unique fashion. However, as a main to one of the most air-based characters (Jigglypuff) I tend to be aware of why she works. It has to do with her smaller hit-box and faster movements in the air, she is light and that helps her get around (obviously it does little to lend to her survival). Ridley's size and weight would most undoubtedly attenuate his dominate air-game... wouldn't it?

Maybe I am just over-thinking things.

 

[TCT~Phantom]

Probably worth mentioning his ultimate rebuttal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDDLDi_H8pM

I wish I had time to dissect these videos in great detail and rip it to shreds... that would be so satisfying...

Wow, how can you top your first stupidity by disproving yourself in your own argument...

 

[False Sense]

Indeed, and large characters tend to be my favorites. I am planning on maining Ridley. I just cannot fathom or comprehend how he would be implemented. I don't have an over-active imagination, in fact, I am not very creative at all, so that might be the inherent problem I am faced with. I just find that many wish for Ridley to predominately utilize his aerials in a unique fashion. However, as a main to one of the most air-based characters (Jigglypuff) I tend to be aware of why she works. It has to do with her smaller hit-box and faster movements in the air, she is light and that helps her get around (obviously it does little to lend to her survival). Ridley's size and weight would most undoubtedly attenuate his dominate air-game... wouldn't it?

Maybe I am just over-thinking things.

Well, perhaps Ridley could have an entirely different way of dominating in the air?

One way I imagine Ridley could be implemented is by basing him around what I call a "sky assault" style of gameplay. Similar to Jigglypuff, Ridley is very mobile in the air, with multiple jumps, good air speed, and probably gliding and maybe even hovering like Peach thrown into the mix. Basically, Ridley would be really good at moving about in the air. I figure that one of the better ways to represent Ridley would to make him focused on staying in the air as much as possible, and while there, barrage the opponent from the sky with a mixture of fireballs, long range tail attacks, and the like. So unlike Jigglypuff, who focuses more on fighting foes while they're in the air too, Ridley would be more about keeping his foe on the ground and utilizing his specials to continually assault them from the sky, similarly to how he fights in his games.

That's just a basic idea, but I think it could work. If nothing else it does show possible ways for Ridley to be implemented into the game.

 

[UltimateWario]

Well, perhaps Ridley could have an entirely different way of dominating in the air?

One way I imagine Ridley could be implemented is by basing him around what I call a "sky assault" style of gameplay. Similar to Jigglypuff, Ridley is very mobile in the air, with multiple jumps, good air speed, and probably gliding and maybe even hovering like Peach thrown into the mix. Basically, Ridley would be really good at moving about in the air. I figure that one of the better ways to represent Ridley would to make him focused on staying in the air as much as possible, and while there, barrage the opponent from the sky with a mixture of fireballs, long range tail attacks, and the like. So unlike Jigglypuff, who focuses more on fighting foes while they're in the air too, Ridley would be more about keeping his foe on the ground and utilizing his specials to continually assault them from the sky, similarly to how he fights in his games.

That's just a basic idea, but I think it could work. If nothing else it does show possible ways for Ridley to be implemented into the game.

This is a pretty cool idea, especially since it hasn't been done before. However, I'd still like Ridley to be very competent in dealing with foes who are in the air with him (maybe to a lesser extent than Jigglypuff for balancing reasons). Having Jigglypuff as the only purely-aerial-based character is stupid, especially since he/she's a joke run incredibly stale, so no matter Ridley's approach to being aerially-inclined, it'll be nice to see the playstyle represented a little better.

 

[Empyrean]

I posted this in the uniqueness thread, so I thought I'll share it here. This is how I imagine Ridley to have an amazing Jiggs-esque airgame without having a necessarily broken recovery:

I know it ain't much, but it could be cool if Ridley could retrieve a jump each time an aerial connects. This way, he could extend air combos indefinitely (well not really, just as far as the player is able to reach/read DI) and truly become the king of the skies like how we want him to be. However, as a result, he would not get as many normal jumps as MK or Kirby, and either have a very limited Up-B recovery or none at all (instead having an attack). As such, his recovery won't be particularly broken and someone would think twice before going offstage against a recovering Ridley (for a gimp, for instance), since getting hit will result in you helping Ridley get back on stage, or even worse, him starting a combo and killing you instead. A mechanic like this one would pretty much define Ridley in a class of his own, similar to ICs.

 

[AndreaAC]

Hello everybody, I really like this Thread, and I am a Ridley fan, definitely. I have to be grateful to all of you, reading your post mekes me smile, and the references and Size Comparisons had helped me a lot, since I want to draw, sculpt, or do many other things about Ridley while im learning to become a designer. I have all my hopes that Ridley will make it this time in Smash 4...I even have friends that are "Too Bigots", and I defend Ridley with all have....

 

[Arcanir]

Welcome to the boards AndreaAC and thanks for your support, I hope your time here does help in your endeavor in sculpting and modeling.

 

[AndreaAC]

Welcome to the boards AndreaAC and thanks for your support, I hope your time here does help in your endeavor in sculpting and modeling.

Thank you so much....and sorry if a have some gramatical errors....but english is not my first language...im still learning.....

 

[SchAlternate]

Thank you so much....and sorry if a have some gramatical errors....but english is not my first language...im still learning.....

Hello rookie! Welcome aboard to the Space Pirate brigade! Here's your personal laser pincer!

 

[Xhampi]

Thank you so much....and sorry if a have some gramatical errors....but english is not my first language...im still learning.....

Welcome to Smashboards and more important welcome to the pro-Ridley side, where people don't judge you on your size or your appearance.

And don't worry for the grammatical errors, you will be fine, I''ve been here for months and I'm still alive even if I have the english skills of a 3 year old, so I'm sure you will be fine.

 

[AndreaAC]

:3 Thank you! Im honored to be part of this.... :D ALL HAIL THE CUNNING GOD OF DEATH RIDLEY!

Welcome to Smashboards and more important welcome to the pro-Ridley side, where people don't judge you on your size or your appearance.

And don't worry for the grammatical errors, you will be fine, I''ve been here for months and I'm still alive even if I have the english skills of a 3 year old, so I'm sure you will be fine.

:3 oh thanks....I hope that my english improves a little.....Im a little shy so....I won't write so often....because a can understand, but I don't know how to anwer sometimes....

 

[SchAlternate]

I'm working on a little something.

It's a WIP of a picture of a little Ridley dancing while captions reading "IN YOUR FACE SHOKIO" flash into multiple colors. I hope I have it ready by the time Ridley gets confirmed.

 

[Sehnsucht]

Hello everybody, I really like this Thread, and I am a Ridley fan, definitely. I have to be grateful to all of you, reading your post mekes me smile, and the references and Size Comparisons had helped me a lot, since I want to draw, sculpt, or do many other things about Ridley while im learning to become a designer. I have all my hopes that Ridley will make it this time in Smash 4...I even have friends that are "Too Bigots", and I defend Ridley with all have....

I joined just yesterday, so I suppose you and I are in the same frigate.

Welcome to the Space Pirate Brigade.

 

[AndreaAC]

I joined just yesterday, so I suppose you and I are in the same frigate.

Welcome to the Space Pirate Brigade.

Thank you! :D Im happy to know that im not the only New one..... OH, and that chibi ridley SchAlternate posted is so CUTE...I love it!

 

[JediLink]

It's a WIP of a picture of a little Ridley dancing while captions reading "IN YOUR FACE SHOKIO" flash into multiple colors. I hope I have it ready by the time Ridley gets confirmed.

My plan was to make a video that cut back and forth between Shokio's crappy arguments and Ridley's reveal trailer, and ending it with me drinking from a mug labelled "Your tears".

 

[Sehnsucht]

My plan was to make a video that cut back and forth between Shokio's crappy arguments and Ridley's reveal trailer, and ending it with me drinking from a mug labelled "Your tears".

I dunno, man. Tears are a waste of good suffering.

 

[LiteTheIronMan]

I think any energy or time spent bickering about Ridley's size is time better spent seducing beautiful individuals of the gender of your sexual preference.

I also think that the pro-Ridley section of the Smash fanbase is the best part of the fanbase. welcome to the Space Pirates, newbies.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I honestly think Sakurai didn't think to add Ridley in the past because he thought his awkward proportions would be an issue, but know that we have Other M Ridley who doesn't have awkward proportions I feel that Sakurai would now jump at the idea of adding Ridley.

 

[SchAlternate]

My plan was to make a video that cut back and forth between Shokio's crappy arguments and Ridley's reveal trailer, and ending it with me drinking from a mug labelled "Your tears".

I can also imagine someone making a video called "Dear Too Biggots", and have a looping picture of Ridley's SM sprite opening and closing his mouth, with Nelson's laugh playing everytime he does so.