Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[IsmaR]

Jesus when did this thread get so large. The last time I checked it was at like seventy thousand, now it's at ninety.

I think you forgot to carry a 0.

 

[Arcanir]

lol Not sure what would be worse though between the kind of people that would come back here again just for I told you so's, or others like Shokio making videos of sorts about it whilst running their idiot mouths off again on camera, all because Sakurai happened to also be a toobigot, thus making them "right".

I suppose another or real question of issue is whether a new Metroid will actually be revealed sometime by that point, if worse comes to worse.

The people raiding the boards will be worse, the videos you can ignore, but since most of us will probably stay here to talk about the rest of the game we can't avoid them.

Maybe Retro will want to establish their own identity with a new Metroid, you know, really make a name for themselves. After all, does Ridley really need to return?

Yeah, they could and I wouldn't be surprised, particularly after what happened with the Kremlings.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Maybe Retro will want to establish their own identity with a new Metroid, you know, really make a name for themselves. After all, does Ridley really need to return?

Are you suggesting that Retro should give the Metroid series a new villain?

There are a few possibilities for a good new antagonist. Has anything ever said that Ridley's species is extinct, or was against Ridley in some way? Perhaps his species could play a new role in Metroid, and I'd like to see supporting villains and members of the Space Pirates such as Kraid return soon as well, personally.

Though, Ridley has had a large role in the series, I mean, he ruined Samus' life, and he's cheated death numerous times. He's her archenemy, and any new villain couldn't properly serve the role he did. A villain could serve a similar role to Mother Brain, though, she too, like Ridley has harmed Samus' emotions and life greatly by killing the baby Metroid.

Given what has happened with DK and the Kremlings, I wouldn't be surprised if a new antagonist and a new evil force of aliens would turn up, though, bear in mind that many more details are given into the Metroid series' plot than the DK series, there are at least a few more things they would have to work around for a new antagonist.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Maybe Retro will want to establish their own identity with a new Metroid, you know, really make a name for themselves. After all, does Ridley really need to return?

Definitely see your point, although in a manner of speaking, didn't Retro already establish their own identity/made a name for themselves with Metroid when it came to the Prime series? Or do you mean them doing so in a different light?

Wouldn't mind though if they gave Ridley and the Space Pirates in general a break for awhile or some games, or even a break to the extent that they've given K. Rool and Kremlings, with all that's been done with them by this point and all. Then maybe they can do something with 'em in the future that'll make them feel 'fresh' again.

The people raiding the boards will be worse, the videos you can ignore, but since most of us will probably stay here to talk about the rest of the game we can't avoid them.

Yeah, they could and I wouldn't be surprised, particularly after what happened with the Kremlings.

Eh, that's true, unfortunately.

Still hard to tell though if Retro would do to the Space Pirates what they did to the Kremlings, with how they already made the Pirates so prominent in the Prime trilogy. Wouldn't mind though if they gave 'em and Ridley a break, again, because unless they were to do something that showcases Ridley's importance again like Other M (hopefully with better writing), what's the point in having him keep returning as a boss at this point, other than to please some fans?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Ridley is basically the major negative emotional impact on Samus' life that will never go away. At least, he was. He may very well depart from the franchise soon, he's cheated death numerous times, as I said before. But at this point, what could happen to him? As much as I want to see Ridley, Kraid and Draygon return, their remains were all on the planet Zebes when it exploded, there isn't really any way any of them could return (unless the Pirates had managed to collect their remains and escape the planet at some point) while the Ridley clone was destroyed in Metroid Fusion.

 

[Arcanir]

Ridley is basically the major negative emotional impact on Samus' life that will never go away. At least, he was. He may very well depart from the franchise soon, he's cheated death numerous times, as I said before. But at this point, what could happen to him? As much as I want to see Ridley, Kraid and Draygon return, their remains were all on the planet Zebes when it exploded, there isn't really any way any of them could return (unless the Pirates had managed to collect their remains and escape the planet at some point) while the Ridley clone was destroyed in Metroid Fusion.

Eh, Ridley's like the Joker at this point, the day he truly dies is the day Samus' career is over. I think what could happen to him is that they give him a break like Ganon/dorf and then bring him back through some Diabolus ex machina or something. Hell, they could even say he escaped Zebes' explosion considering we don't physically see his death.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

They'll always think of some other way or reason for Ridley to return if they want to bring him back again. I'm not worried about that. It's just if they were to keep doing so without emphasizing on him more as an enemy like Other M kinda did but just as another boss, then it would feel kinda shallow at this point. Read me?

edit: Or what Arcanir said above me works too.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Ridley is basically the major negative emotional impact on Samus' life that will never go away. At least, he was. He may very well depart from the franchise soon, he's cheated death numerous times, as I said before. But at this point, what could happen to him? As much as I want to see Ridley, Kraid and Draygon return, their remains were all on the planet Zebes when it exploded, there isn't really any way any of them could return (unless the Pirates had managed to collect their remains and escape the planet at some point) while the Ridley clone was destroyed in Metroid Fusion.

One problem with the theory of ridley being killed for good what is in common abOut super heroes and villians and thats creators can make a way for a super hero or a villian resurrect read all of the marvel super hero deaths and dc

 

[Arcanir]

They'll always think of some other way or reason for Ridley to return if they want to bring him back again. I'm not worried about that. It's just if they were to keep doing so without emphasizing on him more as an enemy like Other M kinda did but just as another boss, then it would feel kinda shallow at this point. Read me?

I completely understand that, it's one of the reasons why I did not like Ganondorf coming back in Twilight Princess. Other M had the right idea in trying to emphasize that relationship and now that the door to that is open, why not go farther and make Ridley more prominent? Maybe not make him a final boss yet since that could be seen as conclusive to their character arc, but maybe push him to be more of that mastermind that the backstory keeps emphasizing as I'd love to see Ridley take a more active role in the events for once outside of kickstarting them.

 

[Zhadgon]

Maybe we will get Ridley Jr. in the next installment of Metroid.
. .

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Eh, Ridley's like the Joker at this point, the day he truly dies is the day Samus' career is over. I think what could happen to him is that they give him a break like Ganon/dorf and then bring him back through some Diabolus ex machina or something. Hell, they could even say he escaped Zebes' explosion considering we don't physically see his death.

In some adaptions of the Batman franchise there are still plenty of other villains to be dealt with though. There aren't many antagonists or major monsters left in the Metroid series. (I don't recall what happened to the Phazon or X-Parasites)

If I recall right, Ridley exploded into several pieces that fell into hot lava in Super Metroid, so it's very unlikely Ridley would have escaped on his own. As I said before, the Space Pirates or someone else would've had to collect his remains and escapse the planet with them. (the case may not be the same for Kraid or Draygon though, they could be cloned like Ridley was)

 

[Arcanir]

If I recall right, Ridley exploded into several pieces that fell into hot lava in Super Metroid, so it's very unlikely Ridley would have escaped on his own. As I said before, the Space Pirates or someone else would've had to collect his remains and escapse the planet with them. (the case may not be the same for Kraid or Draygon though, they could be cloned like Ridley was)

Well, that's not anymore different then any of his other deaths, particularly since Zero Mission did something similar. Regardless, the end results the same, we know there's remnants of Space Pirates still out in space so it's not impossible that Ridley and maybe one or two of his fellow commanders survived/got picked up and may appear later on.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

In some adaptions of the Batman franchise there are still plenty of other villains to be dealt with though. There aren't many antagonists or major monsters left in the Metroid series. (I don't recall what happened to the Phazon or X-Parasites)

If I recall right, Ridley exploded into several pieces that fell into hot lava in Super Metroid, so it's very unlikely Ridley would have escaped on his own. As I said before, the Space Pirates or someone else would've had to collect his remains and escapse the planet with them. (the case may not be the same for Kraid or Draygon though, they could be cloned like Ridley was)

As pointed out, in pretty much any "death scene" of Ridley in the older games, you would see his body "explode" in a similar fashion, so his explosion in Super Metroid shouldn't really be taken with a grain of salt anymore than those other times.

A weakened Ridley very well could've devoured some flesh (like the flesh of some Pirates or something that Samus killed on her way to him) to heal himself, as he explained himself able to do in the manga, and then escaped Zebes before it blew up.

Or maybe this was what happened in Super Metroid canon.

http://www.metroid-database.com/manga/super_metroid_comics/ch_0005/scaled/sc_npcomics_5-3.jpg

 

[LiteTheIronMan]

After all, does Ridley really need to return?

the short answer: yes.

the long answer: yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees

Ridley has a knack for not dying and getting resurrected in both different and original forms. He was killed once in Metroid; it was revealed in Zero Mission that he was making a robot version of himself; in Metroid Prime, he returns as Meta Ridley; in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Meta Ridley returns, and is then resurrected AGAIN as Omega Ridley; in Super Metroid, he returns again in his original form; in Other M, he is cloned and resurrected, although it is unclear if this incarnation retains the same memories as the original; in Fusion, the remains of this incarnation are resurrected by the X Parasites.

Ridley indeed has a very comic-book-villain-esque life cycle. it wouldn't surprise me if he's near-immortal, and Samus was doomed to clash with him till the end of her life.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Well, that's not anymore different then any of his other deaths, particularly since Zero Mission did something similar.

As pointed out, in pretty much any "death scene" of Ridley in the older games, you would see his body "explode" in a similar fashion, so his explosion in Super Metroid shouldn't really be taken with a grain of salt anymore than those other times.

You both do have points there.

A weakened Ridley very well could've devoured some flesh (like the flesh of some Pirates or something that Samus killed on her way to him) to heal himself, as he explained himself able to do in the manga, and then escaped Zebes before it blew up.

Or maybe this was what happened in Super Metroid canon.

http://www.metroid-database.com/manga/super_metroid_comics/ch_0005/scaled/sc_npcomics_5-3.jpg

Lol, at what the leads to.


The former is a good suggestion as well.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

It's the Super Metroid comic from Nintendo Power, in case you didn't know or were wondering.

Ridley abandoning ship and leaving everything to Mother Brain like that was luzly though.

 

[Anomilus]

If the Galactic Federation can upload the minds of great leaders such as Adam Malkovich (lol), I don't see why the Space Pirates can't have the mind of Ridley uploaded. Give him some sort of "body" for now, whether it be its own entity or within a complex computer network. Then find away to restore his actual body.

The Space Pirates themselves don't need much of an excuse; The entire organization wasn't based on Zebes, so they can easily make a return.

Heck, here's a somewhat silly idea: Call it the "Ridley strain" or something like that. Have a certain lone Space Pirate start to act funny. He then starts to deviate from the behaviors of other Space Pirates, becoming more and more independent, crazier, and more violent. At some point he starts to feed off of other creatures, and at another point gets his hands on human flesh. Eventually he undergoes a transformation and.... "I'M BAAAAAACK!!!"

That reminds me, it would have been more interesting if "Birdie" Ridley wasn't actually some larva state but rather an amalgamation of various creature DNA that only managed to become a living entity because it carried Ridley's DNA. What then happened was not some goofy metamorphosis from cute fuzzy cat-chick to the Ridley we all (almost) know, but rather Ridley's dominant DNA violently overtaking the body to the point where it was capable of undergoing extreme physical changes in order to regain as close to its original form as possible. That could also explain why Other M Ridley was so ugly and unlike its previous look. It's Ridley, but with traces of other creature DNA remaining so that the resemblance wasn't 100%. Heck, maybe Samus's very appearance triggered the change. The creature was relatively docile, and for a moment it didn't recognize Samus, henceforth the initial lack of a reaction. It took a moment, but something primal and deep within triggered, which is why when Samus took another look at the creature, its cute clumsy demeanor had vanished and was replaced with a sinister glare, as if the creature was thinking "...I... know you...".

...But yeah... =/

 

[Zhadgon]

If the Galactic Federation can upload the minds of great leaders such as Adam Malkovich (lol), I don't see why the Space Pirates can't have the mind of Ridley uploaded. Give him some sort of "body" for now, whether it be its own entity or within a complex computer network. Then find away to restore his actual body.

The Space Pirates themselves don't need much of an excuse; The entire organization wasn't based on Zebes, so they can easily make a return.

Heck, here's a somewhat silly idea: Call it the "Ridley strain" or something like that. Have a certain lone Space Pirate start to act funny. He then starts to deviate from the behaviors of other Space Pirates, becoming more and more independent, crazier, and more violent. At some point he starts to feed off of other creatures, and at another point gets his hands on human flesh. Eventually he undergoes a transformation and.... "I'M BAAAAAACK!!!"

That reminds me, it would have been more interesting if "Birdie" Ridley wasn't actually some larva state but rather an amalgamation of various creature DNA that only managed to become a living entity because it carried Ridley's DNA. What then happened was not some goofy metamorphosis from cute fuzzy cat-chick to the Ridley we all (almost) know, but rather Ridley's dominant DNA violently overtaking the body to the point where it was capable of undergoing extreme physical changes in order to regain as close to its original form as possible. That could also explain why Other M Ridley was so ugly and unlike its previous look. It's Ridley, but with traces of other creature DNA remaining so that the resemblance wasn't 100%. Heck, maybe Samus's very appearance triggered the change. The creature was relatively docile, and for a moment it didn't recognize Samus, henceforth the initial lack of a reaction. It took a moment, but something primal and deep within triggered, which is why when Samus took another look at the creature, its cute clumsy demeanor had vanished and was replaced with a sinister glare, as if the creature was thinking "...I... know you...".

...But yeah... =/

So you are saying something like the Batman Beyond movie where the cells of the Joker take on Jason Todd to transform him in the future to be the Joker again (I don´t remember well if that was the plot).
.n_n.

 

[Anomilus]

So you are saying something like the Batman Beyond movie where the cells of the Joker take on Jason Todd to transform him in the future to be the Joker again (I don´t remember well if that was the plot).
.n_n.

Something like that, though in the case of that movie it only lasted until the offending device was removed. And I think it was Tim Drake, the 2nd Robin, that was transformed into the Joker.

But yeah, it could be like a secret experiment from higher ups among the Pirates to bring back their military leader. Heck, why just one Space Pirate? Inject them all! Grow an army of Ridleys!! :D

 

[Ridley_Prime]

So you are saying something like the Batman Beyond movie where the cells of the Joker take on Jason Todd to transform him in the future to be the Joker again (I don´t remember well if that was the plot).
.n_n.

Believe that was the Tim Drake Robin, not Jason Todd (who became the Red Hood).

Anyway, the idea of Ridley infecting and taking over living beings like that. Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude! Hats off to Anomilus on such a marvelous idea and comeback for Rids. In Other M it would've made so much sense too based on exactly what happens in the cutscenes.

 

[Zhadgon]

Something like that, though in the case of that movie it only lasted until the offending device was removed. And I think it was Tim Drake, the 2nd Robin, that was transformed into the Joker.

But yeah, it could be like a secret experiment from higher ups among the Pirates to bring back their military leader. Heck, why just one Space Pirate? Inject them all! Grow an army of Ridleys!! :D

I was thinking more in the lines of Star Wars with Jango Fett to Boba Fett you know, where the new one is a clone but trained by the Kriken´s instead of the Space Pirates (would like to see some new enemies in Metroid instead of the poor Space Pirates and lets not forget they are recovering from all those losses in the last years at hands of Samus ).
.n_n.

PD. Jason Todd is the second Robin, Tim Drake is the third .

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Yeah, there are plenty of options for Ridley to return.

As long as he still plays at least a relatively antagonistic role, instead of just being an average boss, I'm fine with whatever brings him back.

 

[Oasis_S]

I'm really hoping the GF creates an army of Ridleys to hunt down Samus or something. Among other things you could do with an army of space dragons.

Ridley could have ensured he would live on through his own personal clone son thing. Maybe it infiltrates the GF Ridley Squad. I dunno. Should be named Scott.

 

[Deleted member]

Then one Ridley turns "good" and becomes super kawaii desu butt buddies with Samus.

amidoinitrightgaiz?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Then one Ridley turns "good" and becomes super kawaii desu butt buddies with Samus.

amidoinitrightgaiz?

lol

Actually a rebel Ridley clone might be interesting. (minus the super kawaii and butt buddy thing)

 

[Oasis_S]

Then one Ridley turns "good" and becomes super kawaii desu butt buddies with Samus.

amidoinitrightgaiz?

It would be neat if, in actually trying to characterize Ridley for once in the actual games, the clone son Ridley re-evaluates the legacy passed down to him as Samus's arch-nemesis.

"The galaxy bearing down on you. Tell me how that feels sometime. *flies off all cool and anime-like*"

 

[Zhadgon]

Oh holy lord of Isaac, so many movies, cartoons and books references.

.n_n.

 

[Oasis_S]

Oh holy lord of Isaac, so many movies, cartoons and books references.

.n_n.

Metal Gear?

Only thing this discussion is lacking is nanomachines.

 

[Deleted member]

And then Ridley gets his own game where he rides motorcycles, shoots guns, and decide whether to be good or bad.

It will be called: "Ridley the Geoform 187".

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Also, I just noticed this thread has accumulated 10,000 posts.

 

[Zhadgon]

And then Ridley gets his own game where he rides motorcycles, shoots guns, and decide whether to be good or bad.

It will be called: "Ridley the Geoform 187".

Can I ask if that was an allusion of Shadow the Hedgehog?

Metal Gear?

Only thing this discussion is lacking is nanomachines.

Eh is not Metal Gear. I was going with The Binding of Isaac .
.n_n.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Because what more appropriate time to post that again than now?

 

[FalKoopa]

Congrats on 10000 posts, guys. We're still going Strong!

 

[Deleted member]

Can I ask if that was an allusion of Shadow the Hedgehog?
.n_n.

Pretty much.

 

[IsmaR]

...But yeah... =/

It does my heart good knowing this was the 10,000th post here.

It will be called: "Ridley the Geoform 187".

There's going to be so many Goshdarn Computer Rooms.

 

[LiteTheIronMan]

let's take this a step further. Ridley is secretly SCP-682. it explains why he can't ****ing die and why he hates everything

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Well, since the thread isn't active right now, I might as well post the reaction gif I plan to use if Ridley isn't playable.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

So you'll go from burning with rage to slightly calming and being cool, then repeating the pattern till the end of time? Some will take his possible deconfirmation better than others I guess.

Anyway, didn't realize that Anomilus's initial post for the night had also been the thread's 10,000th post. Just makes me like it even more... Make it happen Nintendo!

 

[Deleted member]

NEW PICTURE OF PYROSPHERE:

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Oh look, still no Ridley. Yeaaaah, I think we can lean safely back for now.