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The more prominent crux of the argument: Sakurai cannot spoil what he objectively "revealed."
I don't really see how this relates to Ridley honestly. If he is a stage hazard he has already pretty much confirmed him as such, he just doesn't want to give the final word, which honestly makes little sense. This isn't something Sakurai is keeping behind locked doors because he doesn't want to spoil the entire game before it releases, that's a really minor thing to not reveal honestly, he's keeping it behind locked doors either to use the Ridley hype to keep up speculation even though he isn't in or to hype up Ridley, those are the only two options as far as I can see.
It is not an either or fallacy, we cannot presume to understand Sakurai. He has his reasons, obviously we cannot discern them... but I highly doubt there are only two options.
...and the only reason they'd do that is if he were a character. They don't like false speculation on characters, and they've been fanning these flames for over a year.
Actually that's more of a marketing thing.
Not necessarily, unless you can prove that assumption, it is just that... an assumption. It is certainly possible to speculate about a boss character (how they will function) and what ramifications that might have on the Metroid roster.
I'm sorry if you thought I was making my statement sound like a fact. That wasn't intended. I was just going on what Sakurai presented us, nothing but speculation. What I stated is what you said, "arbitrary assumption". It doesn't mean that what I said is true, cause let's face it, Sakurai is unpredictable. I can't say "I'm right and your wrong" cause I know no more then anyone else about Ridley's true role. From what I seen Sakurai do during this whole time developing Smash 4, his ambiguous nature towards Ridley just feels like he might be playable. It may not be true and Ridley might be just a hazard, but from what I seen, I just see it the other way.
The shadow math is real guys, and honestly, it's actually making functional sense a little bit.
Trust me, I agree. I certainly believe that Ridley is playable as well, but in no way is Sakurai's decision to not blatantly state that Ridley is a boss indicative of his inclusion. Basically, the notion is treated as evidence despite the fact that it is not evidence, it is our interpretation of the evidence.
That's not the case at all.
Luigi's Nose Part 3... NOW FEATURING RIDLEY'S SHADOW!!!!SackOfRice is holding out on us again. I better not have to stay up until 5 in the morning for some more music or Smash Run news. It's the last week of August for christ's sake.
This is how I feel right now.
I have the answer: Sakurai is not finished animating him yet, he is not ready to be shown.
Yeah, working on one single stage hazard for more than a year certainly sounds plausible.I have the answer: Sakurai is not finished animating him yet, he is not ready to be shown.
You never know, even though we joke about it, it is not entirely outlandish. Possible, but not probable.
Duck Hunt Dog's shadow on Luigi's nose...
Perhaps I do; however, I do not believe that it comes down to competence. It has more to do with priority, I would imagine.Yeah, working on one single stage hazard for more than a year certainly sounds plausible.
If you think the dev team is that incompetent, of course.
I'm sorry if I came off as selfish and rude. Don't get me wrong, Sakurai is one of the greatest game designers I ever truly cared about. I never really knew who he really was until I saw the Smash Direct. He seemed like a nice person with a caring heart that really wants to please his fans. He seemed like the person who wants to give a great experience to the people playing his creations. And I'll say it, Smash Bros. is why I want to go into game design myself. Sakurai has really inspired me to be a great game designer like him.
To be fair, who says that Ridley was starting to be worked on in the beginning of development? For all we know they could have started development on him fairly late.Yeah, working on one single stage hazard for more than a year certainly sounds plausible.
If you think the dev team is that incompetent, of course.
I don't know if I'd call them incompetent, but...Yeah, working on one single stage hazard for more than a year certainly sounds plausible.
If you think the dev team is that incompetent, of course.
But yeah, it still strikes me suspicious that they would ever script a stage boss to slowly fly in the middle, stop, then fly off-screen...never at all attacking while he was present. Another thing that strikes me even more is that, if we only saw Pikachu and assume Ridley's a stage boss, then where's Player 2? Why not show someone like Samus walking with Pikachu?
Game development is a sequence of steps. Model by model, texture by texture, animation by animation. More team members just means more modeling, at once. That does not effect the order which the models are made, the textures are applied and the animations are perfected. It is possible, that Ridleys model appeared later on their, to do list, so to speak, if it turns out he is nothing more then a glorified punching bag, on a stage full of liquid flame. I am still hopeful to his playable role, but I never understood that particular argument as we don't know what order Sakurais team works on these things., what their process is.Yeah, working on one single stage hazard for more than a year certainly sounds plausible.
If you think the dev team is that incompetent, of course.
Perhaps Ridley is Crazy Hand's boss if you go through Classic mode with Crazy Hand. Bosses need bosses too!Looks like the PotD is up, and guess what? There looks to be a new boss (or ending) that's harder than Master Hand! It's totes Ridley guys!
(And not possibly Crazy Hand)
At least we did not get information we already knew... pertaining to Ridley... as a boss character.
Probably Giga Ridley.Looks like the PotD is up, and guess what? There looks to be a new boss (or ending) that's harder than Master Hand! It's totes Ridley guys!
(And not possibly Crazy Hand)
Well, at least it's not 4:00 - 5:00 am where I'm at and Sakurai posting that. ...Never again Friday's post, never again. Darn my spoilage and wanting some Smash news.
Tabuu Confirmed for Smash 4?Looks like the PotD is up, and guess what? There looks to be a new boss (or ending) that's harder than Master Hand! It's totes Ridley guys!
(And not possibly Crazy Hand)
That truly is. *Shudders*Probably Giga Ridley.
(That's f***ing terrifying)
First Giga Bowser, and now Giga Mac. Why not Giga Ridley?
I'll get on it in the near future.
This is not the first time Nintendo, or even Sakurai have shown incomplete assets. Look at the 2010 Kid Icarus Uprising trailer, some of the enemies didn't even have animations yet. Hell, technically Smash bros 3ds and wii u was announced, before the game even started development.
...and yet, you keep posting the same stuff over and over, trying to tell us he's a boss, trying to make us think the same as you.
This discussion actually already took place at a pretty specific level a loooong many pages back, and it was confirmed that shadows in Smash 4 do not change in size depending on the distance to the ground.
Naglfarii
is actually saying exactly what what I was saying earlier. It is simply not true that he has been "teased all year". All preceding hype for Ridley has been built up by the community since then.
Boss, Or Bosses?Looks like the PotD is up, and guess what? There looks to be a new boss (or ending) that's harder than Master Hand! It's totes Ridley guys!
(And not possibly Crazy Hand)
What people find interesting is that they showed anything at all, without flat out confirming exactly what they were doing.This discussion actually already took place at a pretty specific level a loooong many pages back, and it was confirmed that shadows in Smash 4 do not change in size depending on the distance to the ground.
They can be contour'd slightly depending on the angle of light, but there will be no size difference. Sorry you missed that.
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It's the point where people begin to point the finger at Sakurai or their "marketing" and say things like "If Ridley isn't in they are stupid for doing what they did".
They didn't do anything.
You are over-observing a lack of information on Ridley to mean that he's somehow more important. The lack of information can be frustrating, but it is a pretty well known trait of human beings to go straight for conspiracy with an explanation. There must be an ulterior motive for everything.
Ridley was hinted at as a stage boss. We knew that figure in the direct was Ridley. They knew we would know, it was purposeful. What more does there need to be to it? Why do you need clarification? He basically gave you all the clarification you need, you just want more because it's not your ideal answer.
If he's playable, then hooray, but there is not some kind of marketing direction flaw here, or some kind of issue of poor handling of information output. You just want it to be.
I tried to catch up on this thread a bit, but yeah, I can't read or even remember 1658 pages of Ridley discussion. =p
You're just going to have to accept that not everyone likes to speculate or jump to intricate conclusions. Sometimes it's as simple as what is right in front of you.ugh... i got sick of hearing those two, i had to finally use the ignore button, or i was gonna start drinking enough alcohol to kill a whale.
this place is just as bad as gamefaqs and miiverse, now, with these detractors here... when i first came here, it was fun... ridley support everywhere, the hype was at its peak, and people here were likable.
now its no different than being subjected to ancient torture from having to listen to this arguing.
congrats, on ruining the thread.
i just wish it would all ****ing end.
