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The Rebooted Evolving SSB Roster Game

Pupp135

Pupp135

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Here are the votes
Pupp135 Pupp135 7
BritishGuy54 BritishGuy54 11
ninjahmos ninjahmos 5
BowserKing BowserKing 2
ssbashworld ssbashworld 5
DragonRobotKing26 DragonRobotKing26 7
HyperSomari64 HyperSomari64 4
Louie G. Louie G. 7

As this is the final round, I’ll double the points earned. BritishGuy54 wins this round, and DragonRobotKing, Louie G., and I tied for second. BritishGuy54 will receive 10 points, and DragonRobotKing, Louie G., and I will receive 6 points.

1. BritishGuy54 92
2. Louie G. 74
3. DragonRobotKing26 61
4. Pupp135 52
5. Ninjahmos 24
6. Nirvanafan 20
7. BowserKing 5
8. HyperSomari64 2

I‘d like to congratulate BritishGuy54 BritishGuy54 for winning this roster game, and Louie G. Louie G. and DragonRobotKing26 DragonRobotKing26 for getting second and third respectively. I’ll include their rosters below. I hope everyone enjoyed this game. If I do make a game four, should I ever try using an elimination format where the user with the fewest points after every three rounds gets knocked out, but eliminated users can still participate in the roster building process (the original version of this game was an elimination format)? As a small bonus thing, feel free to prioritize your fighters for a hypothetical SSB6.

BritishGuy54 BritishGuy54
:ultmario::ultdk:[Funky Kong]:ultlink::ultsamus::ultdarksamus::ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultluigi::ultmarth:
:ultlucina::ultfalcon::ultyounglink::ultpeach::ultbowser:[Dry Bowser]:ultness::ultzelda::ultcharizard::ultdaisy::ultpichu::ultfalco:
:ultwario:[Celica][Black Shadow]:ultmewtwo:[Ayumi Tachibana]:ultgnw::ultmetaknight::ultpit::ultdarkpit::ultolimar::ultalph::ultganondorf:
:ult_terry::ultike::ultdiddy:[Isaac]:ultkingdedede::ultridley::ultwolf::ultsonic:[Lyndis]:ultzss::ultbowserjr::ultlucario:
:ulttoonlink:[Plusle & Minun]:ultvillager::ultmegaman:[Yuka]:ultrosalina::ultlittlemac::ultgreninja::ultpalutena::ultwiifittrainer:[Demise]:ultpacman:
:ultrobin::ultshulk:[Alvis]:ultkrool::ultrob::ultryu::ultcloud::ultcorrin:[Rayman]:ultinkling::ultbayonetta:[Chun-Li]
[Bandana Dee]:ultisabelle:[Decidueye][Shy Guy]:ultjoker::ulthero::ultkazuya:(:ultpyra::ultmythra:)[Mai]:ultminmin:ultsteve:[Dr. Eggman]
:ultbyleth:[Lloyd]:ultsora::ultmiifighters:
Louie G. Louie G.
:ultmario::ultluigi::ultpeach::ultdaisy: (Toad) (Toadette):ultbowser::ultbowserjr::ultyoshi::ultwario::ultdk:(DK Jr.) :ultdiddy:(Dixie Kong):ultkrool:
:ultlink::ultyounglink::ultzelda::ultsheik: (Tetra):ultganondorf:(Skull Kid) :ultsamus::ultridley::ultdarksamus::ultpit::ultpalutena::ultlittlemac:(Glass Joe)
:ultkirby::ultkingdedede::ultmetaknight::ultfox::ultfalco:(Krystal):ultfalcon:(Black Shadow) :ultolimar::ultalph:(Excitebiker) :ultgnw:
:ultpikachu::ultcharizard::ultmewtwo::ultpichu:(Blaziken) (Garchomp) (Genesect) :ultgreninja: (Nihilego):ultness: (Poo):ultlucas:
:ultmarth:(Lyn):ultike::ultrobin:(Azura) :ultshulk: (Tom Nook) :ultisabelle::ultwiifittrainer:(Rhythm Girl) :ultinkling:(Octoling)
:ultcloud::ultsonic: (Shadow) :ultmegaman::ultpacman::ultryu::ultken::ultsimon::ultrichter: (Jill) (Leon) :ultmiifighters:
(Waddle Dee) :ulthero: (Arle):ultbanjokazooie::ult_terry::ultpyra:
:ultminmin (Doom Slayer) :ultsteve: (Edelgard) (Travis Touchdown):ultsora:
DragonRobotKing26 DragonRobotKing26
:ultmario::ultluigi::ultbowser::ultbowserjr::ultpeach::ultdaisy::ultrosalina::ultdk:(Donkey Kong Jr.):ultdiddy::ultkrool::ultyoshi::ultwario:
:ultlink::ulttoonlink::ultzelda:(Midna):ultganondorf::ultsamus::ultzss::ultridley::ultdarksamus::ultpit::ultdarkpit::ultpalutena:(Viridi)
:ultpikachu::026::212:(Gardevoir):ultlucario:(Braixen)(Decidueye):ultkirby::ultmetaknight:(Galacta Knight):ultkingdedede:(Bandana Waddle Dee):ultness:(Ninten)
:ultmarth:(Celica):ultike::ultlucina::ultfox::ultfalco::ultwolf:(Krystal):ultfalcon:(Black Shadow):ultlittlemac:(Mach Rider):ulticeclimbers:
:ultvillager::ultisabelle:(Isaac)(Felix):ultolimar:(Yuka):ultinkling:(Octoling):ultgnw:(Takamaru)(Ayumi Tachibana):ultpacman::ultsnake::ultsimon:(Richter Belmont):ultryu::ultken:
:ultmegaman::ultsonic::ultcloud:(Shantae):ultbayonetta:(Shovel Knight)
DLC: Tetromino:ultjoker::ulthero::ultbanjokazooie::ult_terry::ultbyleth::ultminmin:ultsteve:(Rayman)(Rex+:ultpyra:/:ultmythra:):ultkazuya::ultsora:

Here are the (biased) priority lists.
Top Priority
:ultmario::ultlink::ultkirby::ultpikachu::ultsamus::ultfox::ultdk::ultyoshi::ultvillager::ultinkling:
:ultmarth::ultness::ulticeclimbers::ultpeach::ultpit::ultmiifighters::ultbowser::ultluigi::ultpokemontrainer::ultsheik:
:ultisabelle::ultshulk::ultolimar:
Most of these seem pretty obvious as they promote major series or are essential side characters. The caveats that I’ll note here are Ness, Ice Climbers, Pit, Pokemon Trainer, and Sheik. I like Ness enough to put him as a very high priority, and Mother has ample content. Icies are my main in real life. I think Pit would still be very intertwined with SSB in this scenario. I like what Pokemon Trainer represents in Pokemon, and her/his gimmick is cool. Sheik is a situation where if I was allowed to do whatever I want, Sheik would be my choice if only one Zelda is allowed. In a realistic scenario, both would probably move down.
High Priority
:ultwario::ultzelda::ultkingdedede::ultdiddy::ultike::ultlucario::ultfalcon:(Tom Nook):ultganondorf::ultmetaknight:
:ultdaisy::ultridley::ultgnw:(Isaac):ultrobin::ultlittlemac:(:ultmythra:/:ultpyra:)
This is mostly adding supplemental fighters to franchises, with the exceptions of Captain Falcon, Isaac, Little Mac, and Mr. Game & Watch. Daisy is in this tier as she’s a recurring spinoff character, and she’s presumably an easy semi-clone. Captain Falcon isn’t top priority because I don’t think he’d have the iconic Falcon Punch, but he’d still probably be a popular fighter. Little Mac is popular in the SSB community, so he’s in this tier. I just like like Isaac’s SSF2 moveset, but he could honestly go down a tier.
Moderate Priority
:ulttoonlink::ultfalco::ultbyleth:(Barista Dog):ultrosalina::ultpalutena::ultgreninja::ultbowserjr::ultkrool:(Waluigi):ultminmin
This is probably where Ice Climbers, Sheik and Isaac would be in a more realistic scenario (I guess Icies after Toon Link, Sheik after Barista Dog, and Isacc after Greninja). These are mostly additional supplemental fighters who would get dropped if cuts aren’t as lenient as Brawl’s or For’s. Most of these characters are popular or contribute a less popular, but notable franchise.
Low Priority
:ultrob::ultwiifittrainer:(Mach Rider):ultroy::ultlucas::ultpiranha::ultincineroar::ultpichu:(Blood Falcon):ultdarksamus::ultyounglink:
These are the post Game & Watch surprise fighters, low priority supplemental fighters, and low priority clones.
High Priority
:ultsonic:(Tidus):ultsora::ultmegaman::ultpacman::ultryu:
I think the base For Third Parties and Ryu just fit in really well, and Tidus and Sora are just a case of favoritism.
Moderate Priority
:ultcloud::ultsteve::ultbayonetta::ulthero2::ultbanjokazooie::ultjoker::ultkazuya:
These are the supplemental fighters from the companies above and Microsoft. In a more realistic scenario, Tidus is bundled with Cloud, and Sora is after Steve.
Low Priority
:ultsnake::ultsimon::ult_terry:
This is a case where I’d want to focus on the third party companies above before going to Konami and SNK.
 
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BritishGuy54

BritishGuy54

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I am quite happy to have won this roster game, and I’ve enjoyed building the Smash Bros. roster all over again from the beginning.

I think everyone’s rosters brought something unique to the table, but it was important to be both unique in choices, while being consistent enough to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

So, thank you to Pupp135 Pupp135 for setting up this roster game, and the previous ones too.

Bonus Round:
Now this one is difficult. But in short, I’ll submit characters I’d keep, cut, and add in a potential SSB6 that is the next step in my roster.
:ultmario::ultdk:[Funky Kong]:ultlink::ultsamus::ultdarksamus::ultyoshi::ultkirby::ultfox::ultpikachu::ultluigi:
:ultmarth::ultfalcon::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultzelda::ultcharizard::ultdaisy::ultwario::ultmewtwo:[Ayumi Tachibana]
:ultgnw::ultmetaknight::ultpit::ultolimar::ultganondorf::ult_terry::ultike::ultdiddy::ultkingdedede::ultridley:
:ultsonic:[Lyndis]:ultbowserjr::ultlucario::ultvillager::ultmegaman::ultlittlemac::ultgreninja:[Demise]:ultpacman:
:ultrobin::ultshulk:[Alvis]:ultryu:[Rayman]:ultinkling:[Chun-Li][Bandana Dee]:ultisabelle::ultkazuya:
(:ultpyra::ultmythra:)[Mai]:ultminmin:ultbyleth:[Lloyd]:ultmiifighters:
[Paper Mario][Impa][Ring Fit Trainee][Noah][Mio][DJ Octavio][Monster Hunter][Shadow][Alear][Tom Nook]
[Oatchi]:ultsimon:[Waluigi]
:ultlucina::ultyounglink:[Dry Bowser]:ultness::ultpichu::ultfalco:[Celica][Black Shadow]:ultdarkpit::ultalph:[Isaac]
:ultwolf::ultzss::ulttoonlink:[Plusle & Minun][Yuka]:ultrosalina::ultpalutena::ultwiifittrainer::ultkrool::ultrob:
:ultcloud::ultcorrin::ultbayonetta:[Decidueye][Shy Guy]:ultjoker::ulthero::ultsteve:[Dr. Eggman]:ultsora:

And here are the 30 cuts. Kind of brutal to do, but it was a mix of cutting down on over-repped series, dicey third parties, and excess echo fighters. Even characters I’d normally keep just don’t make the cut this time.
 
BowserKing

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I would keep all of mine
Newcomers would include Dragapult, Tinkaton, Vivian, Marx, Revali, Bio-Rex, E.M.M.I, as well as a few already in the canon smash (Like Ness, Shulk, Ryu and Cloud). I would also like Preytor as a major underdog pick and Arch Illager as another surprise one.
 
Louie G.

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Congrats BritishGuy! I'm happy to have nabbed second place, it's been a fun game as usual. Thanks to everyone for playing along.

I'll give this priority exercise a shot, that idea has always fascinated me and honestly, having made all the decisions myself this is probably going to be pretty tough to narrow down. Definitely will be harder to cut down than otherwise, because I agree with well... nearly all my choices lol.

Echo Fighters excluded. Although out of the ones I've added, I suspect Daisy and Octoling would be especially safe. Maybe would even get semicloned a bit?

Currently Active Series Representatives, Core IP
:ultmario::ultdk::ultlink::ultsamus::ultkirby::ultpikachu::ultmarth:(Tom Nook) :ultolimar::ultshulk::ultinkling:

These are the characters I'd expect to be effectively mandated to be in the game. They are the original representatives of each of these active and/or essential Nintendo brands so there isn't much conversation to be had here.

Essential Supporting Cast from Core IP
:ultluigi::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultzelda::ultganondorf::ultisabelle:

Important Nintendo icons pertaining to their most valuable IP, they're practically just as crucial as the former category but just a single step down because they aren't representing their series on their own. I think all of them kinda speak for themselves.

Major Series Representatives
:ultfox::ultlittlemac::ultfalcon::ultness::ultpit:(Rhythm Girl) :ultminmin

Less active or prominent series that have made a strong name for themselves within Smash itself. Many of these series are legacy adds with substantial content, so their presence is strongly felt. It would feel odd to remove them and all of their content, and each series feels like it has sufficient new content to offer via new stages, music and what have you.
Major Supporting Characters
:ultyoshi: :ultwario: :ultdiddy::ultridley::ultkingdedede::ultcharizard::ultmewtwo::ultgreninja: (Edelgard) :ultpyra::ultmythra:

Characters that play significant roles in essential Nintendo series. Yoshi and Wario are essentially being treated as Mario characters here. Edelgard and Pyra / Mythra get a bit of a bump being more contemporary favorites, Switch-era characters who continue to have prominence in their respective fandom.

"Minor" Series Representatives
:ultgnw: (Excitebiker) :ultwiifittrainer:

Not to disqualify the importance of these characters individually, just a bit more contentious than those who bring more content with them directly. Similar to the retro / surprise characters in our own universe, I don't expect that these characters will have much in the way of supplemental content outside of their presence and a stage. And they have a bit less room to grow, given their more unorthodox identities. But still, being strongly unique characters and each representing important parts of Nintendo history, they are likely to return.
Secondary Cast / Fan Favorites
(Toad) :ultbowserjr::ultkrool: (Tetra) (Skull Kid) :ultmetaknight::ultfalco:(Krystal) (Blaziken) (Garchomp):ultike::ultrobin::ultpalutena:

Most of these characters are likely to be safe in a less drastic roster cut scenario, but are contentious if the next game is more conservative. This is the limbo area where some of these characters may fall through the cracks, but I'd say most of them would be able to return.

Easy to Implement
:ultdarksamus: (Waddle Dee) (Black Shadow) (Lyn) (Poo)

An array of potentially less prioritized characters who would be simple late stage additions. Kind of a strange pool of characters here, but I suspect all of them would have developed passionate followings by now and would not be difficult to add to beef up the roster later, akin to Jigglypuff / Toon Link / Wolf. I think Lyn would be the most egregious loss of the bunch, but Fire Emblem space is competitive and she is still a Marth semiclone.
Barebones
:ultpacman::ultsonic::ultmegaman::ultryu::ultsimon::ulthero:

The cream of the crop, representatives of Nintendo's most prominent partners and series with strong legacies with the company. This is about as trimmed down as I could feasibly see the third party lineup getting.

Supplemental
(Jill Valentine) (Arle) :ult_terry: (Travis Touchdown)

These characters could just as easily return, belonging to some of these active partners or simply being easy grabs from willing participants, but under a more conservative framework could be dismissed and/or regulated to DLC. I think Resident Evil or Puyo Puyo are significant enough to warrant being in the top category, but would be handily outprioritized by their siblings.

Contentious
:ultcloud::ultbanjokazooie::ultsteve: (Doom Slayer):ultsora:

Characters who may present more difficulty or expense. FF7 is notoriously a bit tangled with additional rights and tends to be DLC when it does cross over with other properties. Banjo, Steve and Doom Slayer are characters who I could feasibly see returning, but are slightly more questionable because of their semantic difficulty - they are western characters. From an eager participant it seems, but we don't really know what Microsoft's deal is moving forward just yet. Sora belongs to Disney, so he's definitely DLC if he comes back. Although I don't think any single character here is an obvious cut.

Any of these additions would be pretty difficult losses, but guests are probably going to have to be trimmed down one way or another and I think there is a strong possibility that any of them would come back as additional post-release content. I prioritize guest characters maybe a bit less than others in the community, but I think at least those six I put aside are safe bets.
Low Priority, Unique
:ultsheik: (Genesect) (Nihilego) (Azura)

This bunch has unfortunately just kind of been left behind within their large, sufficiently represented series. They haven't quite "stuck" the same way some of their fellow series representatives have, their series has moved forward to introduce more popular characters. I would personally prioritize Tetra over Sheik, and Genesect / Nihilego just feel like the kind of Pokemon weirdos that would unfortunately get left behind over more consistently popular picks. Azura is the clear lowest priority of the Fire Emblem bunch, to my knowledge not even being all that overwhelmingly popular within Fates' cast itself. I really like all of these additions but I just don't think the odds are in their favor.

I almost put Krystal down here, maybe the strongest example of a series actually just deciding they don't want anything to do with a character anymore. But I know Krystal has a strong base of fans, and I believe her role in Smash would be especially valued for this reason. Outside of Cloud, she probably would have been the most prominently requested cut character to return to Ultimate.

Low Priority, Derivative
:ultyounglink: (DK Jr.) (Glass Joe):ultpichu::ultlucas:
Pretty obvious cuts, unfortunately. It pains me to see Lucas down here, but between him and Poo I feel the latter's martial arts focus might make him stand out just a bit more - if he can make it back in the first place. The others are pretty redundant at this point, or are just not strong candidates on their own. I like Glass Joe being around but being a joke character, he should only be added if he's not taking resources away from anybody else.
 
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HyperSomari64

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My reboot roster will be the same number of slots as base Ultimate + Piranha Plant: 77 fighters.

:ultmario: :ultpeach: :ultbowser: (Waluigi) :ultyoshi: (Poochy) :ultwario: (Ashley) :ultdk: (:ultdiddy:/Dixie) :ultkrool: :ultlink: :ultzelda: :ultganondorf: :ultsamus: :ultridley: :ultisabelle: (Callie and Marie)
:ultfox: (Krystal) :ultolimar: (Otachi) :ultshulk: (Rex + :ultpyra:/:ultmythra:/Nia) (Noah/Mio) (Elma) (Alear) (Anna) (Tsubasa Oribe) :ultkirby: :ultkingdedede: (Bandana Dee)
:ultpikachu: :ultmewtwo: :052: :212: (Blaziken) (Garchomp) (Golurk) (Braixen) (Tsareena) (Grimmsnarl) (Gholdengo)
(Ayumi) (Officer Howard) (Dragaux) (Euden) :ultminmin (MC Horace) (Doshin) (Sukapon)

:ultpacman: (Jin) (Goemon) (Alucard) (Black Mage) (Slime) :ultsora: (Arle) (Aigis) (Red) :ultryu: (Chun Li) (Kyo) (Ryu Hayabusa) (Pete) (Sol Badguy)
(Rayman) (Lara) (Master Chief) (Crash) (Kratos) (Chell) (Adventurer) (Miner Willy) (Shovel Knight) (Shantae)​

Newcomers:
Nintendo
  • Rex & Pyra (:ultpyra:)/Mythra(:ultmythra:)/Nia (Blade Form) (Xenoblade Chronicles 2)
  • Noah & Mio (Xenoblade Chronicles 3)
  • Elma (Xenoblade Chronicles X)
  • Alear (Fire Emblem Engage) (uses different lords for their moveset)
  • Anna (Fire Emblem Heroes version)
  • Grimmsnarl (Pokémon Sword and Shield)
  • Gholdengo (Pokémon Scarlet and Violet)
  • Otachi (Pikmin 4)
  • Min Min (:ultminmin) (ARMS)
  • Doshin the Giant (It will be a large-scale fighter like The Iron Giant in MultiVersus or the two from Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom)
  • Sukapon (Joy Mech Fight)
  • Euden (Dragalia Lost)
  • MC Horace (Everybody 1-2-Switch)

Third Party
  • Chell (Portal)
  • Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden)
  • Pete (Story of Seasons)
  • Sol Badguy (Guilty Gear))
  • Lara Croft (Tomb Raider)
  • Red (Angry Birds)
  • Jin Kazama (TEKKEN)
  • Alucard (Castlevania)
  • Chun Li (Street Fighter)
 
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DragonRobotKing26

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this game was so fun to play,i'm on 3rd place,but i'm glad that people likes on my roster
now i'll make my own Smash 6 Roster

Super Mario
1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach
4. Toad (New)
5. Bowser
6. Bowser Jr.
7. Rosalina & Luma
8. Daisy
9. King Boo (New)
10. Paper Mario (New)

Yoshi
11. Yoshi
12. Poochy (New)

Wario
13. Wario
14. Waluigi (New)
15. Ashley (New)

Donkey Kong
16. Donkey Kong
17. Diddy Kong
18. Dixie Kong (New)
19. King K. Rool

The Legend Of Zelda
20. Link
21. Zelda
22. Ganondorf
23. Impa (New)
24. Midna
25. Toon Link

Metroid
26. Samus
27. Zero Suit Samus
28. Ridley
29. Dark Samus
30. Raven's Beak

Kirby
31. Kirby
32. Meta Knight
33. King Dedede
34. Bandana Waddle Dee
35. Adeline & Ribbon (New)
36. Gooey (New)

Star Fox
37. Fox
38. Falco
39. Wolf
40. Krystal

Pokémon
41. Pikachu
42. Mewtwo (New)
43. Scizor
44. Gardevoir
45. Lucario
46. Keldeo (New)
47. Braxien
48. Decidueye
49. Hatterene (New)
50. Gholdengo (New)
51. Grovyle & Celebi (New)

Fire Emblem
52. Marth
53. Celica
54. Ike
55. Lucina
56. Byleth
57. Corrin (New)
58. Alear (New)

Kid Icarus
59. Pit
60. Dark Pit
61. Palutena
62. Viridi
63. Hades (New)

EarthBound
64. Ness
65. Lucas (New)
66. Porky (New)

F-Zero
67. Captain Falcon
68. Black Shadow

Splatoon
69. Inkling
70. Octoling
71. DJ Octavio (New)

Animal Crossing
72. Villager
73. Isabelle

Xenoblade
74. Shulk
75. Rex & Pyra/Mythra
76. Noah & Mio (New)

Others
75. Isaac (Golden Sun)
76. Olimar (Pikmin)
77. Chibi-Robo (New)
78. Yuka (Rhythm Haven)
79. Wii Fit Trainer (Wii Fit) (New)
80. Min Min (ARMS) (New)

Retro
81. Ice Climbers
82. Mach Rider
83. Little Mac (Punch-Out)
84. Ayumi Tachibana (Famicom Detective Club)
85. Mr. Game & Watch (Game & Watch)
86. Takamaru (Mysterious Murasame Castle)
87. Mike Jones (StarTroppics) (New)
88. Starman (Pro Wrestling)

Sega
89. Sonic (Sonic The Hedgehog)
90. Tails (Sonic The Hedgehog) (New)
91. Knuckles (Sonic The Hedgehog) (New)
92. Dr. Eggman (Sonic The Hedgehog) (New)
93. Arle Nadja (Puyo Puyo (New)
94. Bayonetta (New)
95. Joker (Persona 5) (New)
96. Kazuma Kiryu (Yakuza) (New)

Capcom
97. Mega Man (Mega Man)
98. Zero (Mega Man X) (New)
99. Ryu (Street Fighter)
100. Ken (Street Fighter)
101. Chun-Li (Street Fighter) (New)
102. Phoenix Wright (Ace Attorney) (New)
103. Jill Valentine (Resident Evil) (New)
104. Leon Kennedy (Resident Evil) (New)
105. Dante (Devil May Cry) (New)
106. Morrigan (Darkstalkers) (New)

Bandai Namco
107. Pac-Man (Pac-Man)
108. Klonoa (Klonoa) New)
109. Lloyd (Tales of) (New)
110. Kazuya (Tekken)
111. Nightmare (Soul Calibur) (New)
112. Agumon (Digimon) (New)

it's still not finished,i'll finish later
 
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Pupp135

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I’m deciding to start a new game with the format that I proposed above where the lowest scoring person after a certain number of rounds (I’m leaning towards three) gets eliminated (note: eliminated players will still participate in the roster building and voting processes, and their rosters for later rounds will still be displayed). Even though they are technically multiple characters, I’ll treat transformations as one slot instead of multiple as this was done by some users in game 2.

Round 1, Part 1: Create a 16 Nintendo character SSB roster
:ultmario::ultluigi::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultdk::ultlink:
:ultsamus::ultbyleth::ultkirby::ultness::ultpikachu::ultolimar:
:ultvillager::ultshulk::ultinkling::ultminmin​

Initial Fighters: Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Donkey Kong, Link, Samus, Byleth, Kirby, Ness, Pikachu, Villager, Olimar, Shulk, Inkling, Min Min

This is a pretty safe roster, given that it mostly brings in the major franchises plus additional characters from Mario. The franchises that I had to strongly think about were Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, and Xenoblade. For Fire Emblem, there were a few options to consider: Marth as he’s closest thing to a mascot at this point, or I can choose one of the major protagonists from the popular Three Houses. I decided to go with Byleth here as I liked her/his moveset in Ultimate, but a magic and sword based version of this fighter would’ve also been cool to see. For Animal Crossing, my choice is really between Villager and Isabelle, and I need to think if having an playable avatar matters more than a popular NPC. In the end, I decided to keep Villager in the end, but it is a tossup. For Xenoblade, This really boils down to who interests me the most at the moment: Shulk, Rex, Aegis, or Noah. Given that I want to add a Pokemon Trainer down the line, I’ll just pick Shulk in this instance as Monado Arts is an interesting gimmick. Ness is here to add a character from a dormant, but beloved franchise. Unless we go really obscure with Ice Climber, Ness is my favorite choice for a fighter from a dormant franchise.

Round 1
Part 2: Add Four Third Party Fighters
Part 3: Add a Fighter for Each Major Hue
Round 2
Part 1: Add Four Fighters
Part 2: Add Three Fighters from franchises not yet represented on the roster
Part 3: Add Three Fighters not yet in SSB
Round 3
Part 1: Cut Eight Fighters
Part 2: Add Three Fighters from a represented franchise
Part 3: Add Four Fighters from Different Comapnies
Round 4
 
Louie G.

Louie G.

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:ultmario::ultluigi::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultdk::ultinkling:
:ultlink::ultsamus::ultkirby::ultfox::ultolimar::ultisabelle:
(Edelgard):ultshulk:(Helix) (Ring Fit Trainee)

Starting Roster:
Mario, Luigi, Princess Peach, Bowser, Donkey Kong, Inkling, Link, Samus, Kirby, Fox, Captain Olimar, Isabelle, Edelgard, Shulk, Helix, Ring Fit Trainee​

Are we doing a hard reboot sort of roster, or a hypothetical “Smash starts in 2024” roster, or just progressively building up a sequel roster… in any case, I think I’m just going to operate for now with a completely clean slate. I think most of this is obvious but I'll go into some of the more ambitious choices.

For now I'm going to exclude Pokemon. Had the series began nowadays, the rights to Pokemon in crossover material may have been more difficult to manage. There's still an outlet for this to happen down the line, we'll see, but first things first will be some of the easier pulls more synonymous with the Nintendo brand directly. "Second party" properties are still here but I can't see Kirby or Fire Emblem being very controversial.

An incentive is made here to represent some of the more notable Nintendo titles of the Switch era. Edelgard, Helix and Ring Fit Trainee are three characters who debuted during this period, on top of most of the currently active series that populate the console. Edelgard offers sort of a slugger character, a deceivingly powerful "hard read" type and the most popular face from 3H. Helix is my choice for ARMS here, to break the status quo a bit and to further emphasize what may make an ARMS character archetypically unique. You can't get stretchier than this guy. And Ring Fit is a strongly successful new outing with a fun quirk. Casting magic spells with stretches is silly and fun, but also provides us with a sort of mage character.

I decided to bring Fox back here because Star Fox is a legacy series that 1. will probably always have some future and 2. is favored within Nintendo amongst other more dormant IP. News just broke today that Miyamoto still envisions a future for it. We could also use a speedy rushdown character, and Fox is the go-to guy for that as far as I'm concerned. Shulk gets dibs over Aegis for now because I wanted a more straightforward swordie here first.
 
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Mario, Luigi, Yoshi, Peach, Bowser, Donkey Kong, Wario, Inkling, Link, Samus, Isabelle, Pikachu, Charizard, Marth, Shulk, Kirby
 
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Louie G. said:
:ultmario::ultluigi::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultdk::ultinkling:
:ultlink::ultsamus::ultkirby::ultfox::ultolimar::ultisabelle:
(Edelgard):ultshulk:(Helix) (Ring Fit Trainee)

Starting Roster:
Mario, Luigi, Princess Peach, Bowser, Donkey Kong, Inkling, Link, Samus, Kirby, Fox, Captain Olimar, Isabelle, Edelgard, Shulk, Helix, Ring Fit Trainee​

Are we doing a hard reboot sort of roster, or a hypothetical “Smash starts in 2024” roster, or just progressively building up a sequel roster… in any case, I think I’m just going to operate for now with a completely clean slate. I think most of this is obvious but I'll go into some of the more ambitious choices.

For now I'm going to exclude Pokemon. Had the series began nowadays, the rights to Pokemon in crossover material may have been more difficult to manage. There's still an outlet for this to happen down the line, we'll see, but first things first will be some of the easier pulls more synonymous with the Nintendo brand directly. "Second party" properties are still here but I can't see Kirby or Fire Emblem being very controversial.

An incentive is made here to represent some of the more notable Nintendo titles of the Switch era. Edelgard, Helix and Ring Fit Trainee are three characters who debuted during this period, on top of most of the currently active series that populate the console. Edelgard offers sort of a slugger character, a deceivingly powerful "hard read" type and the most popular face from 3H. Helix is my choice for ARMS here, to break the status quo a bit and to further emphasize what may make an ARMS character archetypically unique. You can't get stretchier than this guy. And Ring Fit is a strongly successful new outing with a fun quirk. Casting magic spells with stretches is silly and fun, but also provides us with a sort of mage character.

I decided to bring Fox back here because Star Fox is a legacy series that 1. will probably always have some future and 2. is favored within Nintendo amongst other more dormant IP. News just broke today that Miyamoto still envisions a future for it. We could also use a speedy rushdown character, and Fox is the go-to guy for that as far as I'm concerned. Shulk gets dibs over Aegis for now because I wanted a more straightforward swordie here first.
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My roster and some of my future picks probably lean something closer to a scenario where the series was created in 2024 (I’d probably replace Pikachu with Isabelle if I went fully in this direction), but I‘ll let everyone decide on which direction they take as everyone else seems to go the reboot route. I do like your decisions a lot, and Edelgard would be a cool addition for SSB6.
 
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Here are the rosters
Pupp135 Pupp135
:ultmario::ultluigi::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultdk::ultlink:
:ultsamus::ultbyleth::ultkirby::ultness::ultpikachu::ultolimar:
:ultvillager::ultshulk::ultinkling::ultminmin​

BritishGuy54 BritishGuy54
:ultmario::ultluigi::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultdk::ultlink:
:ultsamus::ultbyleth::ultkirby::ultfalcon::ultpikachu::ultgreninja:
:ultvillager:(:ultpyra::ultmythra:):ultinkling:[Ring Fit Trainee]​

BowserKing BowserKing
:ultmario::ultluigi::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultdk::ultyoshi:
:ultlink::ultzelda::ultsamus::ultkirby::ultfox::ultpikachu:
:ultlucario::ultolimar::ultisabelle::ultinkling:​

DragonRobotKing26 DragonRobotKing26
:ultmario::ultluigi::ultbowser::ultdk::ultlink::ultganondorf:
:ultsamus::ultmarth::ultkirby::ultfalcon::ultness::ultvillager:
:ultpikachu::ultmewtwo::ultinkling::ultminmin​

Louie G. Louie G.
:ultmario::ultluigi::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultdk::ultinkling:
:ultlink::ultsamus::ultkirby::ultfox::ultolimar::ultisabelle:
(Edelgard):ultshulk:(Helix) (Ring Fit Trainee)​

HyperSomari64 HyperSomari64
:ultmario: :ultluigi: :ultyoshi: :ultpeach: :ultbowser: :ultdk: :ultwario: :ultinkling:
:ultlink: :ultsamus: :ultisabelle: :ultpikachu: :ultcharizard: :ultmarth: :ultshulk: :ultkirby:​

Vote for your four favorites, where yours is not first.

1. Louie G.
2. Mine
3. BritishGuy54
4. BowserKing

Round 1
Part 2: Add Four Third Party Fighters
Part 3: Add a Fighter for Each Major Hue
Round 2
Part 1: Add Four Fighters
Part 2: Add Three Fighters from franchises not yet represented on the roster
Part 3: Add Three Fighters not yet in SSB
Round 3
Part 1: Cut Eight Fighters
Part 2: Add Three Fighters from a represented franchise
Part 3: Add Four Fighters from Different Comapnies
Round 4
 
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Here are the votes and rankings this round.
Pupp135 Pupp135 10 (3rd)
BritishGuy54 BritishGuy54 15 (1st)
BowserKing BowserKing 4 (6th)
DragonRobotKing26 DragonRobotKing26 8 (4th)
Louie G. Louie G. 15 (1st)
HyperSomari64 HyperSomari64 8 (4th)

Rankings will be like Mario Kart 7/8 with these scores
1st: 7 points
2nd: 5 points
3rd: 4 points
4th: 3 points
5th: 2 points
6th: 1 point

Here are the standings
1. BritishGuy54/Louie G. 7
3. Me 4
4. DragonRobotKing26/HyperSomari64 3
6. BowserKing 1

Round 2: Choose Four Third Party Characters

:ultmario::ultluigi::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultdk::ultlink::ultsamus::ultbyleth:
:ultkirby::ultness::ultpikachu::ultolimar::ultvillager::ultshulk::ultinkling::ultminmin
:ultpacman:(Bomberman):ultsonic::ultcloud:​
Additions: Pac-Man, Bomberman, Sonic, Cloud

Sonic and Pac-Man feel very obvious. In the case of Bomberman, I wanted to try something different, and his series has been around for awhile, and he has many games on Nintendo consoles. While Ryu is also a worthy choice, I went with a different genre pioneer in the form of Cloud.
Round 1
Part 3: Add a Fighter for Each Major Hue
Round 2
Part 1: Add Four Fighters
Part 2: Add Three Fighters from franchises not yet represented on the roster
Part 3: Add Three Fighters not yet in SSB
Round 3
Part 1: Cut Eight Fighters
Part 2: Add Three Fighters from a represented franchise
Part 3: Add Four Fighters from Different Comapnies
Round 4
 
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:ultmario::ultluigi::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultdk::ultinkling:
:ultlink::ultsamus::ultkirby::ultfox::ultolimar::ultisabelle:
(Edelgard) (Helix) (Ring Fit Trainee)
:ultshulk::ultpacman::ultsonic::ultryu::ulthero:

New: PAC-MAN, Sonic the Hedgehog, Ryu, Hero
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Introducing guest characters early... well, some of these guys are pretty essential, so I don't have a problem with that. With this spread of four characters we tap into four of Nintendo's strongest collaborators - Namco, Sega, Capcom and Square Enix - as well as a range of genre from platformer, fighting game and RPG. Feels like perhaps the most efficient lineup I could achieve with this balance in mind. I wish I could fit in another female character, and I even contemplated doing Chun-Li instead of Ryu, but I decided to play it straight for now and add the defacto face of the genre.

I could experiment a bit, but for the foundational third parties I think I ought to just stick with what I believe is the "right" choice.

By the way, spoilers for an upcoming round, but what do you consider to be the major hues? Just red yellow and blue?
 
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Louie G. said:
:ultmario::ultluigi::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultdk::ultinkling:
:ultlink::ultsamus::ultkirby::ultfox::ultolimar::ultisabelle:
(Edelgard) (Helix) (Ring Fit Trainee)
:ultshulk::ultpacman::ultsonic::ultryu::ulthero:

New: PAC-MAN, Sonic the Hedgehog, Ryu, Hero
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Introducing guest characters early... well, some of these guys are pretty essential, so I don't have a problem with that. With this spread of four characters we tap into four of Nintendo's strongest collaborators - Namco, Sega, Capcom and Square Enix - as well as a range of genre from platformer, fighting game and RPG. Feels like perhaps the most efficient lineup I could achieve with this balance in mind. I wish I could fit in another female character, and I even contemplated doing Chun-Li instead of Ryu, but I decided to play it straight for now and add the defacto face of the genre.

I could experiment a bit, but for the foundational third parties I think I ought to just stick with what I believe is the "right" choice.

By the way, spoilers for an upcoming round, but what do you consider to be the major hues? Just red yellow and blue?
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Red, orange, yellow, green, cyan/blue, purple, and magenta/pink. This would be the three traditional subtractive primary hues (I’m treating cyan as a blue in this instance), the three traditional subtractive secondary hues, and a modern subtractive primary hue (magenta, which is sometimes treated as a pink).
 
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1. ninjahmos
2. Myself
3. BritishGuy
4. BowserKing

Full disclosure, any rosters that ignored Capcom get docked a point for me. If we have four third party characters it'd be kinda ridiculous for one of them not to be theirs.
 
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Here are the votes and rankings this round.
Pupp135 Pupp135 8 (4th)
BritishGuy54 BritishGuy54 23 (1st)
BowserKing BowserKing 6 (6th)
DragonRobotKing26 DragonRobotKing26 3 (7th)
Louie G. Louie G. 10 (3rd)
HyperSomari64 HyperSomari64 8 (4th)
ninjahmos ninjahmos 12 (2nd)

Rankings will be like Mario Kart 7/8 with these scores
1st: 9 points
2nd: 7 points
3rd: 5 points
4th: 4 points
5th: 3 points
6th: 2 points
7th: 1 point

Here are the standings
1. BritishGuy54 16
2. Louie G. 12
3. Me 8
4. HyperSomari64/ninjahmos 7
6. DragonRobotKing26 4
7. BowserKing 3

Round 1 Part 3: Choose One Character to Represent Each Major Hue (Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Cyan/Blue, Purple, Magenta/Pink)

:ultmario::ultluigi::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultdk::ultwario::ultlittlemac::ultlink::ultzelda:
:ultsamus::ultbyleth::ultkirby::ultkingdedede::ultness::ultpikachu::ultcharizard::ultgreninja::ultolimar:
:ultvillager::ultisabelle::ultshulk::ultinkling::ultminmin:ultpacman:(Bomberman):ultsonic::ultcloud:​
Additions: King Dedede, Charizard, Isabelle, Little Mac, Greninja, Wario, Princess Zelda

I didn’t really struggle much with Charizard (I have a different idea for Pokemon Trainer), Isabelle, and Zelda given that they’re probably the most prominent choices that I can use for these color terms. While Yoshi is a major character, I wanted to add Little Mac given Punch-Out!!’s legacy, and it allows other franchises to have their character selection build up. I was hesitant to add King Dedede and Wario, and I was considering something else like Toad for Red or Mewtwo for Purple could work here because there will be a round of heavy cuts down the line, but I think that I can squeeze them in somewhere. Initially thought of adding a second Fire Emblem character here, but Greninja is a popular water type pokemon, which can be used as a foil to Charizard’s fire typing.

Round 2
Part 1: Add Four Fighters
Part 2: Add Three Fighters from franchises not yet represented on the roster
Part 3: Add Three Fighters not yet in SSB
Round 3
Part 1: Cut Eight Fighters (The three newest additions are safe)
Part 2: Add Three Fighters from a represented franchise
Part 3: Add Four Fighters from Different Comapnies
Round 4
 
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:ultlink::ultzelda::ultsamus::ultkirby::ultkingdedede::ultfox::ultolimar: (Helix)
:ultisabelle:(Tom Nook) :ultinkling:(Squid Sisters) (Ring Fit Trainee)
:ultchrom:(Edelgard):ultshulk::ultpacman::ultsonic::ultryu::ulthero:

New: King Dedede, Tom Nook, Zelda, Yoshi, Chrom, Wario, Squid Sisters​

I decided my priority for this round would be to expand on the most prominent and character-rich Nintendo series currently established on the roster. We already laid out a good starting point for our major franchises, so let's elaborate on that. The core four Nintendo series right now are Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing and Splatoon. While Kirby and Fire Emblem continue to see great success, and have a wealth of great characters to select from.

Mario fills out its obligatory crew with Yoshi and Wario - despite representing their own series, I feel like they are spiritually a little bit of both. Zelda is simply getting Zelda herself, I contemplated adding Ganondorf too but he can wait for a bit. Animal Crossing and Splatoon get their next most prominent characters: Tom Nook and Squid Sisters. I'm cheating a bit with Tom Nook, but I recall a previous "orange" prompt allowing for shades of brown and I'm going to use that here (I'll walk back on it if that's a problem).

Squid Sisters are not my idol duo of choice, I prefer Off the Hook, but since I have used OTH prominently in previous roster games I'll shake things up here. These two would operate as a middleground between Ice Climbers or a swap character like Pythra, one taking the lead while the other offers support. And in the process delivering on a somewhat musical kit which is something I've been vocal about wanting for a long time. Callie's favorite weapon is the Roller and Marie's is the Charger. So dynamically one of these offers a more in your face offensive kit while the other is calculated and defensive.

King Dedede is the obvious next step for Kirby, gives us a unique heavy weapon type and heavyweight trapper kit... and adds my favorite character in the series. Meanwhile Chrom is a bit of a gamble, but since I'm still trying to operate a bit on the "Smash if it was made today" mindset I believe Awakening is an appealing game to represent. Chrom is kind of the new school Marth, a more traditional swordfighter lord and the continuation of his lineage, independently very popular and iconic. If Smash did in fact start today, the safest options for Fire Emblem are those with overseas appeal. Awakening and Three Houses are two of the biggest successes over here, so there you go. For now, Chrom is our stand-in for the "Marth archetype".
 
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  1. Mario
  2. Luigi
  3. Peach (pink)
  4. Bowser
  5. Donkey Kong
  6. Diddy Kong (red)
  7. Yoshi (green)
  8. Link
  9. Ganondorf
  10. Samus
  11. Ridley (purple)
  12. Marth
  13. Chrom (blue)
  14. Kirby
  15. King Dedede (yellow)
  16. Captain Falcon
  17. Ness
  18. Villager
  19. Pikachu
  20. Charizard (orange)
  21. Mewtwo
  22. Min Min
  23. Inkling
  24. Sonic
  25. Pac-Man
  26. Ryu
  27. Cloud
 
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