The Professor Layton for Smash Ultimate support thread! See OP for where to meet us next after the boards close. Thank you for all your support!

[Curious Villager]

what everyone's views on stuff from the eternal diva getting in? i mean it is canon with the games but it is an anime

If Ash-Greninja and Cloud's Advent children alt is anything to go by.
Hopefully we will get a remix of the main song in there as well.

Edit: Oh wow, we finally reached over 1000 posts in the Layton support thread, neat.

 

[fogbadge]

If Ash-Greninja and Cloud's Advent children alt is anything to go by.
Hopefully we will get a remix of the main song in there as well.

Edit: Oh wow, we finally reached over 1000 posts in the Layton support thread, neat.

hadnt considered that i love some of that music

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

If Ash-Greninja and Cloud's Advent children alt is anything to go by.
Hopefully we will get a remix of the main song in there as well.

Edit: Oh wow, we finally reached over 1000 posts in the Layton support thread, neat.

I heard that there's a manga spin-off, is it canon too?

 

[Curious Villager]

I heard that there's a manga spin-off, is it canon too?

No, that's just a spin off. As Layton & Co are given drastically different personalities and characterizations compared to their canon ones.

Its more of a comedic take on the series. (Well before LMJ came along, that is)

 

[DutchPichu]

Smash never took movie soundtracks. Not even from Pokémon, iirc. So I don't think Eternal Diva music is likely. And the other 7 Layton games (I keep forgetting LMJ and typing 6 games) have great music tracks (with a lot that would make for amazing remixes!).

 

[Curious Villager]

Smash never took movie soundtracks. Not even from Pokémon, iirc. So I don't think Eternal Diva music is likely. And the other 7 Layton games (I keep forgetting LMJ and typing 6 games) have great music tracks (with a lot that would make for amazing remixes!).

Yeah you're probably right, closest thing a song was related to the Pokemon anime is probably the Saffron City 64 stage song which sounds very close to the anime version.

Though again, Eternal Diva's song is an original song entirely. Still, would be nice to have if they did ever go the extra mile.


Anyway, what do you guys think of the idea of Layton wearing this outfit as an alt from Miracle Mask+?

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I think it would compliment Mario's wedding alt nicely. They could maybe even do an inside joke of Layton and Mario competing for Peach's attention or something lol.

 

[GoodGrief741]

what everyone's views on stuff from the eternal diva getting in? i mean it is canon with the games but it is an anime

I think we could get Spirits and possibly a song. I love that movie so I'd be all for it.

Yeah you're probably right, closest thing a song was related to the Pokemon anime is probably the Saffron City 64 stage song which sounds very close to the anime version.

Though again, Eternal Diva's song is an original song entirely. Still, would be nice to have if they did ever go the extra mile.


Anyway, what do you guys think of the idea of Layton wearing this outfit as an alt from Miracle Mask+?

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I think it would compliment Mario's wedding alt nicely. They could maybe even do an inside joke of Layton and Mario competing for Peach's attention or something lol.

There would probably be a design inspired by that, yes.

 

[DutchPichu]

Yeah, that costume is a really good idea!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6_Rpy7H-es&
I was listening to this puzzle themes YouTube video. It reminds me of how a cool Smash remix of the puzzle themes would be. A puzzle theme medley of sorts. My favourite puzzle theme is the one from Miracle Mask. What is yours?

 

[Curious Villager]

Yeah, that costume is a really good idea!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6_Rpy7H-es&
I was listening to this puzzle themes YouTube video. It reminds me of how a cool Smash remix of the puzzle themes would be. A puzzle theme medley of sorts. My favourite puzzle theme is the one from Miracle Mask. What is yours?

I was kinda surprised how closely it seems to resemble Mario's wedding outfit when I looked it up.

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I'm going out on a limb and assume that this is probably a very common wedding/party type outfit. Which kind of makes me want Layton to have that outfit as an alt all the more. Imagine his potential reveal trailer with Wedding Mario, Bowser and Peach and the shenanigans we can get out of it...


Yeah a puzzle medley remix is definitely a must.
The first one is a classic and probably should have its own remix, but I agree that Miracle Mask one is probably the best.

 

[Matthjass]

Mmm I think my favorite place in the series is London because it reflects the British and old school ambiance of Professor Layton so well, not to mention the town appears in practically all the games. But St-Mystere is great, too ! If we had a Layton stage I think it would be one of these two places.

About my favorite puzzle theme... I guess it's the one from the crossover. It has a sad vibe that I like a lot. I also really like the one from Mystery Journey.

+ Yes, 1000 posts ! (Although I didn't contribute much to this number... XD) Next goal : 2000 posts !

 

[Curious Villager]

Mmm I think my favorite place in the series is London because it reflects the British and old school ambiance of Professor Layton so well, not to mention the town appears in practically all the games. But St-Mystere is great, too ! If we had a Layton stage I think it would be one of these two places.

About my favorite puzzle theme... I guess it's the one from the crossover. It has a sad vibe that I like a lot. I also really like the one from Mystery Journey.

+ Yes, 1000 posts ! (Although I didn't contribute much to this number... XD) Next goal : 2000 posts !

London sounds like a very solid choice for a stage too and would probably be the most universal location for the series. Most particularly, Gressenheller University. Not sure what they could do for that location as a stage though. Unless it takes place at the top of the building and you see the rest of London at the back.

Those are pretty solid puzzle themes too yeah. I wonder if Layton and Phoenix where to both make it in, if we where to be able to get some tunes from the crossover in there, I wonder how they would share them between the two though.

Well it's nice to know that the thread managed to stay active (and peaceful) for so long. I think that's the best part of it. Here's hoping the thread continues to stay active and more Layton fans coming on board to lend their support for the prof!

 

[PK Bash]

A crossover in a crossover?! Imagine if they shared Labyrinthia as a stage!

I know it's obvious but I'd love to hear a Smash version of Professor Layton's Theme. That would be SO GOOD. Get an electric guitar for that groovy bit in the middle, can't really describe it in text but I'm sure you'll figure out what bit I mean!

Would be so hype in a reveal trailer too. Nobody could be mad with heavy rock version of that playing in the background.

I also really, reeeeaaaallly want the Theme of the Last Time Travel in Smash - probably my favourite composition in the series. I was kind of gutted with the Persona music in Smash (though Persona 5 in particular has a lot of bangers and I know they can't add them all!) so I'm not getting my hopes up, but if we live in a timeline where Layton gets into Smash this would make it the definitive best timeline.

For his costumes, I wonder what route they'll take - will they go for inspiration from Layton characters, or will they base it on the main colour of each game (red for Pandora's Box, green for Lost Future and so on) like they did for Persona? I know Persona had a couple of references to other characters but you know.
That wedding one would be a great bit of fan service of notched-ear Pichu proportions, I'd love that. What are the chances of Inazuma 11 Layton?!

 

[Matthjass]

If we have a London stage it's likely going to work like Delfino Plaza I guess, where a plateforme goes through the different famous locations of the town.

Well a double reveal of Layton and Wright with a remix of https://youtu.be/FYg0J2rE0Aw would be just insane...

PK Bash The main theme of the Unwound Future is also my favorite music in the series ! It's such a great theme.

For Layton's costumes I think they will go for alts that reference the main characters...

 

[Curious Villager]

A crossover in a crossover?! Imagine if they shared Labyrinthia as a stage!

I know it's obvious but I'd love to hear a Smash version of Professor Layton's Theme. That would be SO GOOD. Get an electric guitar for that groovy bit in the middle, can't really describe it in text but I'm sure you'll figure out what bit I mean!

Would be so hype in a reveal trailer too. Nobody could be mad with heavy rock version of that playing in the background.

I also really, reeeeaaaallly want the Theme of the Last Time Travel in Smash - probably my favourite composition in the series. I was kind of gutted with the Persona music in Smash (though Persona 5 in particular has a lot of bangers and I know they can't add them all!) so I'm not getting my hopes up, but if we live in a timeline where Layton gets into Smash this would make it the definitive best timeline.

For his costumes, I wonder what route they'll take - will they go for inspiration from Layton characters, or will they base it on the main colour of each game (red for Pandora's Box, green for Lost Future and so on) like they did for Persona? I know Persona had a couple of references to other characters but you know.
That wedding one would be a great bit of fan service of notched-ear Pichu proportions, I'd love that. What are the chances of Inazuma 11 Layton?!

Labyrinthia would be quite interesting to see. Although that might be better off saved until both Layton and Phoenix have a stage of their own first. Perhaps in a future Smash game, they could maybe introduce the concept of crossover stages, and include songs from both a respective series in one. I discussed this at the Phoenix Support thread a while back.

So like for Labyrinthia, you can listen to the soundtrack from both the Layton and Ace Attorney series. You could even do this kind of thing with older stages such as the Super Mario World Yoshi's Island stage from Melee or the 75m stage etc.

The main theme of Professor Layton would most certainly get a remix if the Prof makes it in, a rock remix sounds quite interesting to hear.
Lost Future's main theme would be breathtaking to hear for sure.

I'm assuming they would mostly go for costumes based off the main characters (Luke, Flora, Emmy, Katrielle etc) The unique box arts have been mainly a thing in Europe though (Although the US and Japan adopted the European box art styles later on) that said, I could see Layton's classic mode reflect on the first six games though.

Just so long as they don't make Layton's outfits just a boring different shade of his default colours. Please Level-5, don't be like Sega, Square and Namco...

 

[PK Bash]

If we have a London stage it's likely going to work like Delfino Plaza I guess, where a plateforme goes through the different famous locations of the town.

Well a double reveal of Layton and Wright with a remix of https://youtu.be/FYg0J2rE0Aw would be just insane...

PK Bash The main theme of the Unwound Future is also my favorite music in the series ! It's such a great theme.

For Layton's costumes I think they will go for alts that reference the main characters...

Do you remember the end credits of that game where they splice "Objection!" with Professor Layton's Theme?

Labyrinthia would be quite interesting to see. Although that might be better off saved until both Layton and Phoenix have a stage of their own first. Perhaps in a future Smash game, they could maybe introduce the concept of crossover stages, and include songs from both a respective series in one. I discussed this at the Phoenix Support thread a while back.

So like for Labyrinthia, you can listen to the soundtrack from both the Layton and Ace Attorney series. You could even do this kind of thing with older stages such as the Super Mario World Yoshi's Island stage from Melee or the 75m stage etc.

The main theme of Professor Layton would most certainly get a remix if the Prof makes it in, a rock remix sounds quite interesting to hear.
Lost Future's main theme would be breathtaking to hear for sure.

I'm assuming they would mostly go for costumes based off the main characters (Luke, Flora, Emmy, Katrielle etc) The unique box arts have been mainly a thing in Europe though (Although the US and Japan adopted the European box art styles later on) that said, I could see Layton's classic mode reflect on the first six games though.

Just so long as they don't make Layton's outfits just a boring different shade of his default colours. Please Level-5, don't be like Sega, Square and Namco...

The crossover stage thing is an interesting idea and maybe Stage Morph is some kind of precursor to this concept? There could be some creative totally original stages in this style. You could have a Kid Icarus and Castlevania crossover for example where you fight through a vertical gothic castle where enemies from both games make an appearance. Zelda and Castlevania could totally do a similar thing (and would give potential for a boss fight with Dracula AND Ganon!). A sky stage that calls back to both Kid Icarus and Skyward Sword.

You could go nuts with fanservice with that concept! I really like it. While we see the characters mesh, we never see the universes and locales cross over much. No goombas in Hyrule for example. Wouldn't that be cool to see?

The idea for Layton's classic mode is nice actually. level 1 could have you taking down a giant ROB while Doctor Mario in his purple alt or Waluigi Assist Trophies (or maybe Joker, though he lacks Don Paolo's tache. Wario would be perfect if he had a Waluigi colour...) also tries to take you down. Level 2 could take you to Dracula's Castle with Marth being a prominent enemy. Level 3 should surely take place on Umbra Clock Tower! I'm drawing a blank for the prequels though...

Fun ideas here!

 

[Curious Villager]

Do you remember the end credits of that game where they splice "Objection!" with Professor Layton's Theme?

The crossover stage thing is an interesting idea and maybe Stage Morph is some kind of precursor to this concept? There could be some creative totally original stages in this style. You could have a Kid Icarus and Castlevania crossover for example where you fight through a vertical gothic castle where enemies from both games make an appearance. Zelda and Castlevania could totally do a similar thing (and would give potential for a boss fight with Dracula AND Ganon!). A sky stage that calls back to both Kid Icarus and Skyward Sword.

You could go nuts with fanservice with that concept! I really like it. While we see the characters mesh, we never see the universes and locales cross over much. No goombas in Hyrule for example. Wouldn't that be cool to see?

The idea for Layton's classic mode is nice actually. level 1 could have you taking down a giant ROB while Doctor Mario in his purple alt or Waluigi Assist Trophies (or maybe Joker, though he lacks Don Paolo's tache. Wario would be perfect if he had a Waluigi colour...) also tries to take you down. Level 2 could take you to Dracula's Castle with Marth being a prominent enemy. Level 3 should surely take place on Umbra Clock Tower! I'm drawing a blank for the prequels though...

Fun ideas here!

Oh I think Playstation All Stars did something like that. I'm not as sure about the likelihood of that happening, but I suppose it would be interesting to see Smash's take on the concept. I was mainly referring to stages based off other crossover games such as Professor Layton vs Phoenix Wright. Mario & Sonic at the Olympic games, Mario vs Donkey Kong etc

As for Layton's Classic mode based off his games.
I suppose for Last Specter you could have a giant ROB while having a giant Squirtle as your ally at Smashville or Town & City
Miracle Mask is against a white Meta Knight at New Pork City
Azran Legacy is against Zelda at Fourside or one of the flying stages like Pilotwings.
Curious village is against Daisy (or a green Sheik) with a team of Megaman's
Pandora's Box is against Marth at Dracula's Castle
Lost Future is probably against another Layton at Umbra Clock Tower

The final boss would probably be Galleom, either that or Marx

I think those are my best bets. There are probably more accurate match ups though

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

Diabolical Box trailer and it looks like it is currently available too.

I’ve been kind of hopelessly waiting for these to come on the switch so I can play them again, but I think I’m just going to go ahead and get the mobile versions.

 

[Curious Villager]

Diabolical Box trailer and it looks like it is currently available too.

I’ve been kind of hopelessly waiting for these to come on the switch so I can play them again, but I think I’m just going to go ahead and get the mobile versions.

Oh wow that was quick, I thought they where going to release that at the Anime Expo next month. But I guess they got other things to show off there.
Most probably the western localization of the Layton anime and probably the Switch release of LMJ too.

I guess we'll see what happens. Unwound/Lost Future HD is probably not far away now, Japan is probably getting it next month so we will probably be seeing it by December/January then.

> When you realize these HD ports are all too perfect timing for Layton and Smash, especially if he's coming out around December or so, then newcomers can try out the series easily, especially since their released on IOS/Android and whatnot. We'd probably have the new Switch entry revealed by then too.

Here's hoping for the best, at least the Layton series is still active to this day. And that's great to know.

 

[DutchPichu]

If Laytons Mystery Journey comes to Switch, I may want to give it a shot. I am not using my 3DS anymore, and actually I didn't like the fact that Hershel wasn't the main character anymore. Is LMJ really as good as the rest of the Layton series?

 

[Curious Villager]

If Laytons Mystery Journey comes to Switch, I may want to give it a shot. I am not using my 3DS anymore, and actually I didn't like the fact that Hershel wasn't the main character anymore. Is LMJ really as good as the rest of the Layton series?

Ehh well, from what I've heard at least.
You're probably better off watching the Layton's Mystery Journey anime over playing that game. It covers the story of the game better plus gives more insight on the story of Hershel. and you won't have to deal with the controversial puzzles in that game either.

I think I'm personally just going to support the HD OG trilogy ports and anime for now until they reveal the next entry, and then see from there.

 

[Matthjass]

Do you remember the end credits of that game where they splice "Objection!" with Professor Layton's Theme?

No I don't but I checked it, the two themes mix so well ! What an epic game.

DutchPichu I also recommend you to watch the anime instead of playing the game. Personally I didn't enjoy the game as much as the other games of the series, but the anime is pretty fun to watch imo.

 

[Flyboy]

Wow, that trailer filled me with all kinds of good feelings.

 

[Curious Villager]

Wow, that trailer filled me with all kinds of good feelings.

It feels kind of nostalgic now that you mention it, really. Back when the Layton series was super active and had an annual release. It almost felt like a comfy tradition to relax and play the latest games near Christmas every year. I kind of miss those days looking back.

Gosh I just want Level-5 to reveal a new Layton game already...

 

[DutchPichu]

I don't think it's necessarily a good thing to release a new game every year. It was nice, yes, but I think they could've made so much more out of it if they developed a game for a few years. Imagine a big Layton game on Switch, with a huge longer story, puzzle sidemodes, maybe multiplayer puzzles (they would make it work) and maybe give every puzzle like a "level 2" you unlock for every puzzle after the game. There is so much more you can do with the Layton franchise if you give a new game a few years and really expand upon the excisting idea.

On the other hand, I really loved having a new Layton story every year.

 

[Curious Villager]

I don't think it's necessarily a good thing to release a new game every year. It was nice, yes, but I think they could've made so much more out of it if they developed a game for a few years. Imagine a big Layton game on Switch, with a huge longer story, puzzle sidemodes, maybe multiplayer puzzles (they would make it work) and maybe give every puzzle like a "level 2" you unlock for every puzzle after the game. There is so much more you can do with the Layton franchise if you give a new game a few years and really expand upon the excisting idea.

On the other hand, I really loved having a new Layton story every year.

Yeah you're right, it is technically better to give each entry some breathing room to stand on its own. I always felt like the original trilogy ended way too quickly and that we could have seen more of Flora and Don Paolo, who unfortunately received way too little screentime and development and they never really went back to these characters to expand on them, even to this day.

They have started to take their time more with each entry ever since the series moved over towards the 3DS. Most likely because they where working with 3D models and full animations at that point, rather than with sprite art like with the DS era. Which I can appreciate that they are taking their time with them now that they have more complex tools to work with.

I'm assuming that the reason the release gaps for new entries have been increased is due to localization. I think the Layton series is the only one where Level-5 actively tries to get the series out worldwide without a ridiculous release gap between Japan and the West anymore. Which is always appreciated and probably a testament of the series global popularity. Even Yokai Watch apparently still has a very large release gap between Japan and the West.

The only downside to this though is the frequent assumption that Level-5 may have abandoned the series just because they aren't releasing new entries as frequently anymore. This is particularly prevalent with the Smash community where people often assume that Layton is no longer relevant even though that's clearly not the case.

I think they should work more with the anime and do more seasons, that way the series can still be viewed as active between each entry. I'm sure they can do a lot with an anime series based off the original series.

 

[GoodGrief741]

If Laytons Mystery Journey comes to Switch, I may want to give it a shot. I am not using my 3DS anymore, and actually I didn't like the fact that Hershel wasn't the main character anymore. Is LMJ really as good as the rest of the Layton series?

Short answer: no.
Long answer: noooooooooooooooo.

 

[fogbadge]

Yeah you're right, it is technically better to give each entry some breathing room to stand on its own. I always felt like the original trilogy ended way too quickly and that we could have seen more of Flora and Don Paolo, who unfortunately received way too little screentime and development and they never really went back to these characters to expand on them, even to this day.

They have started to take their time more with each entry ever since the series moved over towards the 3DS. Most likely because they where working with 3D models and full animations at that point, rather than with sprite art like with the DS era. Which I can appreciate that they are taking their time with them now that they have more complex tools to work with.

I'm assuming that the reason the release gaps for new entries have been increased is due to localization. I think the Layton series is the only one where Level-5 actively tries to get the series out worldwide without a ridiculous release gap between Japan and the West anymore. Which is always appreciated and probably a testament of the series global popularity. Even Yokai Watch apparently still has a very large release gap between Japan and the West.

The only downside to this though is the frequent assumption that Level-5 may have abandoned the series just because they aren't releasing new entries as frequently anymore. This is particularly prevalent with the Smash community where people often assume that Layton is no longer relevant even though that's clearly not the case.

I think they should work more with the anime and do more seasons, that way the series can still be viewed as active between each entry. I'm sure they can do a lot with an anime series based off the original series.

i would guess people are quick to assume as series is abandoned due to times its happened before, i mean with just nintendo themselves theres a lot of dormant franchises

 

[Curious Villager]

i would guess people are quick to assume as series is abandoned due to times its happened before, i mean with just nintendo themselves theres a lot of dormant franchises

Nintendo has a lot of franchises of their own, and of varying degrees of popularity and notoriety. We will most likely always see a new Mario and Zelda game for sure. Kirby, Animal Crossing and now Fire Emblem and Splatoon are most likely mainstays more or less too.

Then there are franchises that seem to be going up and down like Metroid, Donkey Kong and Pikmin, or franchises with questionable future like Starfox and F-Zero and whatnot.

In terms of Level-5 though, I think Layton, yokai Watch and Inazuma Eleven are probably their big three franchises right now. At least whenever they are promoting themselves, these three franchises are always at the front and center of their promotional materials. the most recent example is their Anime Expo tweet as a matter of fact.

So with that in mind. I think Level-5 will probably want to keep these series alive and going for as long as possible. I mean, the Layton series is also currently their highest selling franchise, being at 17 million, Hino thought about ending the series after Lost Future, but after the beaming success of the series, they decided to continue the series on from there. It's kind of like Pokemon, where they wanted to end it at gen 2 but had to continue it due to the series being too successful to pull back on then.

That being said though, I hope they don't milk the series to the ground. LMJ was arguably the weakest entry in the series, and while its understandable that that is partly due to the original puzzle master having passed away and thus having to hire a different guy for the puzzles this time, as well as them wanting to try out something completely different this time around. I hope they try and take their time and develop the next entry well. But also looking back at past entries and see what worked well and what needs to be improved upon. Especially as the first home console Layton game.


But I'm getting off track here. Personally, I think a series should at least be dormant with no new entry or other media presence in sight for at least 4-5 years or more before considering it to be dormant, or at least, not having a new entry for a whole console cycle. The Layton series was never really on that point. Closest thing was during its hiatus between Azran Legacy and Layton's Mystery Journey, though even then, Hino stated that he still had plans for the series and wasn't ready to end it yet, just that it might take a new direction and all.

 

[False Sense]

/searches thread

...Have I not posted here before now? Feels like I should have since my name's straight up derived from the Layton series.

Anyway, hi. Just wanted to voice my support for Layton. Easily one of my most wanted DLC characters.

 

[Curious Villager]

/searches thread

...Have I not posted here before now? Feels like I should have since my name's straight up derived from the Layton series.

Anyway, hi. Just wanted to voice my support for Layton. Easily one of my most wanted DLC characters.

Oh hey False Sense, I haven't seen you in a long time. Its great to have you back!

Welcome on board, I believe I already have you in the supporters list.

 

[False Sense]

Oh hey False Sense, I haven't seen you in a long time. Its great to have you back!

Welcome on board, I think I already have you in the supporters list.

Well, thanks for the warm welcome.

It's cool to see support for Layton is still active. The recent DLC has gotten me optimistic that he might have a chance, and it'd just be sooo cool to see him in. Easily one of my Top 3 most wanted at this point.

Here's hoping.

 

[Curious Villager]

Well, thanks for the warm welcome.

It's cool to see support for Layton is still active. The recent DLC has gotten me optimistic that he might have a chance, and it'd just be sooo cool to see him in. Easily one of my Top 3 most wanted at this point.

Here's hoping.

No problem.

Yeah I'm happy to see the support base still growing for the Prof too.
I hope you're right. I do feel a bit hopeful that Level-5 is getting something too.

Lets hope for the best.

 

[PK Bash]

Hino thought about ending the series after Lost Future, but after the beaming success of the series, they decided to continue the series on from there. It's kind of like Pokemon, where they wanted to end it at gen 2 but had to continue it due to the series being too successful to pull back on then.

That being said though, I hope they don't milk the series to the ground. LMJ was arguably the weakest entry in the series, and while its understandable that that is partly due to the original puzzle master having passed away and thus having to hire a different guy for the puzzles this time, as well as them wanting to try out something completely different this time around. I hope they try and take their time and develop the next entry well. But also looking back at past entries and see what worked well and what needs to be improved upon. Especially as the first home console Layton game.

Pokemon always reminds me of a very good quote from a very good film:

"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain".

Perhaps I'm being melodramatic here but you hit on a good point. They've got to do it right. They're no doubt willing to keep making Layton because at the end of the day, they like money. But please don't do a Pokemon, which went rapidly downhill from about 2013 when they decided to make a new "full" game every year with the sole intent of making as much money out of children as possible. (N.B. I'm not saying the developers are lazy - I imagine they are worked to their bones and I dread to think about what it must be like to work for Pokemon - but they are always forced to cut corners these days and give much less polish to their games because of time constraints. A rant for another time.)

They might feel the need to reinvent the Layton games in some way though due to the original market - Brain Training on the DS and that - kind of being dormant these days.

I'd love to see a game where you can actually move Layton around the locations (you could still have the camera be from the perspective of Luke), and holding down a shoulder button or something to enter Investigation Mode to grab hint coins. (You could have Investigation Mode highlight spots where a puzzle is before Layton interacts with them so you don't get surprised by a random puzzle you weren't expecting or wanting popping up and getting in the way of your game - happened to me a lot!) I'd like them to preserve the "snapshots" of each screen from the previous games and this might be a good way to do it, Monkey Island-style.

Maybe elements like this (which were kind of alluded to in Miracle Mask) are what the future of this series holds? People who play Layton on consoles now are pretty much exclusively dedicated fans who are probably familiar with typical game-y elements like this, so it could be a safe risk to take that might broaden the appeal of the games too.

 

[Deleted member]

I just want any Layton game on Switch.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Pokemon always reminds me of a very good quote from a very good film:

"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain".

Perhaps I'm being melodramatic here but you hit on a good point. They've got to do it right. They're no doubt willing to keep making Layton because at the end of the day, they like money. But please don't do a Pokemon, which went rapidly downhill from about 2013 when they decided to make a new "full" game every year with the sole intent of making as much money out of children as possible. (N.B. I'm not saying the developers are lazy - I imagine they are worked to their bones and I dread to think about what it must be like to work for Pokemon - but they are always forced to cut corners these days and give much less polish to their games because of time constraints. A rant for another time.)

They might feel the need to reinvent the Layton games in some way though due to the original market - Brain Training on the DS and that - kind of being dormant these days.

I'd love to see a game where you can actually move Layton around the locations (you could still have the camera be from the perspective of Luke), and holding down a shoulder button or something to enter Investigation Mode to grab hint coins. (You could have Investigation Mode highlight spots where a puzzle is before Layton interacts with them so you don't get surprised by a random puzzle you weren't expecting or wanting popping up and getting in the way of your game - happened to me a lot!) I'd like them to preserve the "snapshots" of each screen from the previous games and this might be a good way to do it, Monkey Island-style.

Maybe elements like this (which were kind of alluded to in Miracle Mask) are what the future of this series holds? People who play Layton on consoles now are pretty much exclusively dedicated fans who are probably familiar with typical game-y elements like this, so it could be a safe risk to take that might broaden the appeal of the games too.

All of this is making me wonder how a console Layton might look.

 

[Curious Villager]

Pokemon always reminds me of a very good quote from a very good film:

"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain".

Perhaps I'm being melodramatic here but you hit on a good point. They've got to do it right. They're no doubt willing to keep making Layton because at the end of the day, they like money. But please don't do a Pokemon, which went rapidly downhill from about 2013 when they decided to make a new "full" game every year with the sole intent of making as much money out of children as possible. (N.B. I'm not saying the developers are lazy - I imagine they are worked to their bones and I dread to think about what it must be like to work for Pokemon - but they are always forced to cut corners these days and give much less polish to their games because of time constraints. A rant for another time.)

They might feel the need to reinvent the Layton games in some way though due to the original market - Brain Training on the DS and that - kind of being dormant these days.

I'd love to see a game where you can actually move Layton around the locations (you could still have the camera be from the perspective of Luke), and holding down a shoulder button or something to enter Investigation Mode to grab hint coins. (You could have Investigation Mode highlight spots where a puzzle is before Layton interacts with them so you don't get surprised by a random puzzle you weren't expecting or wanting popping up and getting in the way of your game - happened to me a lot!) I'd like them to preserve the "snapshots" of each screen from the previous games and this might be a good way to do it, Monkey Island-style.

Maybe elements like this (which were kind of alluded to in Miracle Mask) are what the future of this series holds? People who play Layton on consoles now are pretty much exclusively dedicated fans who are probably familiar with typical game-y elements like this, so it could be a safe risk to take that might broaden the appeal of the games too.

Yeah perhaps Pokemon wasn't really the best example to give considering its current state.... But yeah...
I do hope that Level-5 will put in the effort to reinvent the wheel for the series. Perhaps they are going to try something new entirely as the old gameplay format won't really work too well on the Switch. The series was predominantly touch screen based, and while the Switch does have a touch screen, they will have to also make it work in docked mode, which might cause some complications for the game, and Level-5 themselves acknowledged that.

So perhaps yes, they might opt to overhaul the gameplay style this time around. Maybe not too drastic as to not alienate older fans, but perhaps something a bit more different this time. Like you said, perhaps this time we can actually move around the map freely and explore every nook and cranny. Check suspicious area's with a magnifying glass in first person mode. Maybe solve puzzles in a whole new way by directly interacting with them perhaps something like Zelda.

I guess it remains to be seen how they will handle things this time around.

 

[Flyboy]

The Ace Attorney Investigations games varied up the traditional AA formula with full map explorations and moving around the environment was rather fun. I think if Layton did something like that I'd like to see something closer to the Monkey Island games combined with the traditional puzzles of a Layton game. A combo of map-based inventory puzzles, minigames, and the usual would make for a fun twist in my eyes.

One of my favorite little obscure gems was Another Code: Two Memories on the DS. It and Hotel Dusk had really lovely adventure game elements that could nicely fit into a new Layton in my eyes.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I always thought the RPG mode by Brownie Brown in The Last Specter was cool.

i would guess people are quick to assume as series is abandoned due to times its happened before, i mean with just nintendo themselves theres a lot of dormant franchises

Also, Level-5 burns out series way too fast.

Seriously, it's a wonder that they brought back Inazuma Eleven in the first place.

 

[Curious Villager]

I always thought the RPG mode by Brownie Brown in The Last Specter was cool.



Also, Level-5 burns out series way too fast.

Seriously, it's a wonder that they brought back Inazuma Eleven in the first place.

I'm still upset that NoE never localized London Life to PAL regions. Here's hoping they finally rectify that if they do a Last Specter HD.....

And yeah, I've heard that Level-5 is kind of known for burning their franchises out whenever they hit a jackpot.
They where also banking on Snack World to be the next Professor Layton/Yokai Watch but it backfired on them.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Also, Level-5 burns out series way too fast.

Seriously, it's a wonder that they brought back Inazuma Eleven in the first place.

cries in LBX