The Probable Character Roster 3.0 ^_^

[Homelessvagrant]

He's from SMRPG and his name is Culex in the america's , Secret boss and is superior WTF material.
Anyhow i'm not getting happy at this wolf replacement time to help wolf's chances before he get's off the roster.
1.)So when was falco highly requested ? Wolf is more requested than falco to even return to begin with , Falco has no PRA whatsoever.
P-Popularity , Priority , In the newer SF games all falco does is Crud out fox and not be important really (Just fail and say a few catch lines) Wolf might have this more but he's had a more "InventivE" Role to fox in SF.
R-Role , Role is huge i've been over this.
A-Attacks , I'm sorry but here is where you clearly show the idioticness of the post , Wolf would be able to use grenades and rivalry stuff + Add a more fightish fox while falco would be able to..BE A CLONE! And not worth sakurai's fixing especially if wolf is higher on the requested list.
2.)You state that the alternate costume does something to wolf's chances and nothing about the mii avatar's ? HOW SMART IS THAT!
3.)He has a role more than probably most of the people on "The final 10" Come on bowser jr . ? A pure two-timer like vaati who is a joke and not even well suggested for , Ray01 ? Just the king of the unpopular series in all seriousness he could get in but still , And midna ? WASNT EVEN ON THE FLIPPING POLL's , And no love for wolf , Your basic profile is "While he would be unique up his and let's move on" Err right there is >_< And then falco's "A HIGHLY REQUESTED CHARACTER TO RETURN , THUS SHOO-IN"
Look i'm not saying move wolf above falco but move wolf into the "Higher" Parts of the final 10 and move falco down a bit , Your giving him a lot more credit than he's worth because he has a high tier moveset <_< (Which is disproven by fox being nerfed.) And with wolf being well suggested for and falco having no PRA whatsoever it's all just in your head , The rest of the list i've seen so far is pretty accurate except for this , And you now G&W has a higher chance then falco right ? G&W IS EVEN MORE FLIPPIN REQUESTED TO COME BACK , your just ignoring wolf and it's not making me happy AT LEAST give him the higher credit that he deserves.
Besides he has popularity importance would be more unique than falco and is well suggested for , Falco was never mentioned by sakurai or as you state a "Favorite" And was just a last minute clone when sakurai could have put wolf if he had the time , I don't see any of this anywhere about falco owning G&W percent's also (It's maybe by two but if your trying to make this accurate ? Yes.) I'm just saying because of this there is no purpose to put wolf at "OLOL 45% NUB" And have falco at 85% , If you want to go by those rules then you might as well take mii's and bowser jr off (Look bowser jr is just a two-timer as you said and sakurai is not going to put in those type's of villians , He's just another vaati.) I seriously can't stand this cruel placement that much.

How can I move Wolf up when everyone else is telling me to move him down? Wolf little PRA compared to Falco who has much more of a story line (Wolf really hasn't gotten past the whole "basic rival" role he swims in), Falco has been in more games and has been established as a smash brother character already. If Wolf has so much PRA to Falco then why wasn't he fox's clone in Melee? Sakurai even likes Falco as a character.

Mii avatar=/= alternate cosume (though I believe the alternate costume diea is a pretty weak argument itself)

Those Mii avatars might very well be the individual character icons. We don't know. (man I feel sick I need to go to bed)

we're allowed to give constructive critisism right? I cant tell, I never read any of the past posts, but anyway:
I very strongly disagree with takamaru's placement on this list. wait, excactly how old is this list? *checks*
its been around since september? anyway, your reasons for takamaru's high unprobabilty are very.......well....bad.

for one, and godammit I'm sick of saying this, takamaru is NOT a sword user. at least, not another european sword user.(I'm usually against all that anti-sword user BS anyway.) he is a samurai. AKA, not a european sword wielder. now, takamaru's placement on this list would have held credit, had goroh never been AT'd. in fact, I think takamaru was the ONLY reason goroh was AT'd. Goroh was considered a shoe-in, coming from a very popular, yet underrepped franchise, and playing the role as CF's rival. In fact, many people thought takamaru stood no chance in hell, since his competition, goroh, was most definetly going to take over the samurai role over him.
But here's the problem. The goroh AT happened. meaning, goroh was deconfirmed. Many people wondered why goroh was deconfirmed, since he seemed like such a shoe-in character. Goroh pretty much had one trait of him that takamaru didn't: he was known worldwide. Yet he was AT'd. However, I believe sakurai chose takamaru (considering he was put in, just bear with me for a while) over goroh for a few good reasons:

Taka comes from his own franchise.
Taka was a major famicom pioneer for his time.
Taka has a much broader moveset than goroh, since he is a samurai-ninja hybrid, thus can utilze ninja tools and magic attacks.
Taka ranked very high on the poll(slight popularity, my big toe) and the poll has been shown to not fail us before. after all, look at this:

King Dedede(5) - CONFIRMED!
Diddy Kong(4) - CONFIRMED!
Geno(4)
Ike(4) - CONFIRMED!
Ridley(4)
Captain Olimar & Pikmin(3)
Krystal(3)
Takamaru(3)
Windwaker Link(3)
Lucas(2) - CONFIRMED!

moving on, your overall discription for taka, no offense honestly, kinda shows you didn't do much thought and research on the subject. Once again, I say, why the hell is wielding a sword a disadvantage? Should everyone with hands and feet not get in smash? whatever happened to "Its not the weapon that makes the man"? No matter what a character is equipped with, its their overall style that makes thier moveset. Like, if I gave bowser fox's outfit and blaster, would that make him exaclty like fox? heck no. If I gave fox king dedede's hammer, would that make him the same as KDDD? no. and that was the problem with goroh. he had, not only the same weapon, but the same overall style. He was a samurai. Samurai's move differently than european swordsmen. Samurais are overall, different than any character seen in smash yet. but samurai are hardly different from eachother. thats why taka is the last samurai. Heck, he wouldn't even need his ninja skills to stand out from the crowd. Just the fact he's a samurai makes him unique enough.

Next, is the placement of stafy, which greatly contradicts the placement for taka. Now, I have NOTHING against stafy, I support him just as well. However, I GREATLY disagree that he has a higher chance than Takamaru. For one, the reasons you gave against takamaru can be applied to stafy as well. His overall body proportion is very similar to Kirby (Now, I dont agree with this being a disadvantage, but I'm simply acting the way you are). And if stafy has so much support in japan, then why wasn't he on the poll at all? Stafy may be popular in japan, but overall popularity doesn't exactly= smash popularity.

and being japan-only doesn't seem to be as much of a factor any more. If it was, then sakurai wouldn't even bother with MOTHER 3 characters, and would stick with MOTHER 2 characters.

now, I'm unsure if anyone else responded, sine I never read the rest of this thread, but I had to get that out. anyway, I'm not being an elitist or anything, but I say taka should be much higher than "highly unprobable." It, at LEAST should be in the 60's.

There's much more against Takamaru then the dumb sword argument. I have that up there because I have all the noobs come on this thread asking why it isn't up there. However i don't feel good now so I'll just tell you that I'll look over Takamaru again. If not, I'll at least update his profile to be more congruent with real logic. I'm sorry that I can't give you a better defense at the moment (ugth head.....)

 

[Thirdkoopa]

How can I move Wolf up when everyone else is telling me to move him down? Wolf little PRA compared to Falco who has much more of a story line (Wolf really hasn't gotten past the whole "basic rival" role he swims in), Falco has been in more games and has been established as a smash brother character already. If Wolf has so much PRA to Falco then why wasn't he fox's clone in Melee? Sakurai even likes Falco as a character.

Mii avatar=/= alternate cosume (though I believe the alternate costume diea is a pretty weak argument itself)

Those Mii avatars might very well be the individual character icons. We don't know. (man I feel sick I need to go to bed)

Wolf has a lot more PRA than the people you put above there...First off sakurai could have easily put him in melee but it was "Rushed" So he just went by poll results (Falco being the highest) And comprehend how "Well it's falco , A lot of people want him back for melee" <- Right...Back when it was melee wolf would have been a Joke of a PC to add , HE has more of a role then "FOX DO A FLIPPIN BARREL ROLL NUB" And you go by everyone else's requests , Midna bowser jr and ray 01 how do they outprioritize wolf ? The alt costume arguement is weak , Midna wasn't even on the poll's , Bowser jr is a joke , And ray 01 is even questionable as you said.
What about wolf when he IS highly requested for ?
And PRA ? You have to be kidding me , Ever play SF ? HE just jokes around and krystal has clearly taken that role <_<. So your saying because falco's in melee even through wolf is more requested and all of the above i said and whatnot you refuse to put wolf higher up a bit and maybe put falco down ? I don't see this anywhere , Mii's have different borders and some are red , My point is that Wolf should be moved up , Sakurai has no interest in falco whatsoever.
If your going to say that then let's just say roy ok ? Sakurai has more interest in roy because he put him first WHEN HE WANTED TO PUT SIGURD FOR FLIPPING SAKES.
Now in role Wolf has basically ownt falco in that , Falco has cloneish aspects as you said and was also a joke during the time of melee , Faclo was only added due to time warrants and wolf should be moved up at least a bit (60% ? Or so.) Because 50 all you sound like your saying is "He has no role whatsoever isn't requested for and all , GET OFF MAI ROSTER NUB" Which is wrong <_< And what role does bowser jr have ? Comprehend out of this , Bowser jr just runs around with a flipping paintbrush in sunshine and has just a small bit of popularity , Midna ? You just play as her a bit in TP and is a joke as well , Shiek will most likely be with zelda again (Uniqueness) Or be her own PC and WW link will most likely as well , What about ray ? Sakurai has shown some interest but like you said he's AT material , Mii's ? Sakurai doesen't go by the rules of commercialism anymore , He's his own company with SORA LTD on his back , I'm not saying give him his own special slot but you should put him higher up with the "Others". BTW wolf didn't have all the PRA back then , Falco was in all the games except he screwed up in all (SF64? Nothing , Adventures ? Last minute savior , Assult ? just a joke , Command ? He practically just ditched fox and blew the party , The first one ? I'm not counting that for anything...) And now wolf was only in one game before melee but now 3 , His PRA is now a lot greater than you think it is and his want in brawl is greater , I'm not saying for you to put him higher than krystal (LOL.) But i'm saying for you to maybe consider putting falco down and putting wolf up.

Btw i feel sorry for you having a sickness , Get well soon ^_^!

 

[Kokaloo]

First off, I think you did a really good job.
But I had a couple of problems with it.
I mean,
I don't wanna sound like a jerk or like I'm criticizing you,
But I had to double-take a couple of those sentences because of the minor spelling errors.
And again,
I think you did a good job.
But I don't particularly see many Lucario crazed fans anymore.
I'd personally like Blaziken instead of Lucario.
But that won't happen,
I guess.
Well written, just... Except for those errors.​

 

[Qbuilderz]

i personally never heard of takamaru or how ever you spell it.

i personally think 2 charactrs deserve igher markings

olimar - 84%! im not trying to be rude, your chart rocks, but i mean he is lower the g & w! olimar has his own game wich is beyond popular, has so many people who support him and his size is not an issue at all so ignore people who say he is too small.

krystal - i know she is high already, but you should remove the dis advantege to her, there are practically no female fighters, she is basically a shoe-in

all this stuff is base imo, so don't take ffense to it please.

 

[Kooichi]

Wolf has a lot more PRA than the people you put above there...First off sakurai could have easily put him in melee but it was "Rushed" So he just went by poll results (Falco being the highest) And comprehend how "Well it's falco , A lot of people want him back for melee" <- Right...Back when it was melee wolf would have been a Joke of a PC to add , HE has more of a role then "FOX DO A FLIPPIN BARREL ROLL NUB" And you go by everyone else's requests , Midna bowser jr and ray 01 how do they outprioritize wolf ? The alt costume arguement is weak , Midna wasn't even on the poll's , Bowser jr is a joke , And ray 01 is even questionable as you said.
What about wolf when he IS highly requested for ?
And PRA ? You have to be kidding me , Ever play SF ? HE just jokes around and krystal has clearly taken that role <_<. So your saying because falco's in melee even through wolf is more requested and all of the above i said and whatnot you refuse to put wolf higher up a bit and maybe put falco down ? I don't see this anywhere , Mii's have different borders and some are red , My point is that Wolf should be moved up , Sakurai has no interest in falco whatsoever.
If your going to say that then let's just say roy ok ? Sakurai has more interest in roy because he put him first WHEN HE WANTED TO PUT SIGURD FOR FLIPPING SAKES.
Now in role Wolf has basically ownt falco in that , Falco has cloneish aspects as you said and was also a joke during the time of melee , Faclo was only added due to time warrants and wolf should be moved up at least a bit (60% ? Or so.) Because 50 all you sound like your saying is "He has no role whatsoever isn't requested for and all , GET OFF MAI ROSTER NUB" Which is wrong <_< And what role does bowser jr have ? Comprehend out of this , Bowser jr just runs around with a flipping paintbrush in sunshine and has just a small bit of popularity , Midna ? You just play as her a bit in TP and is a joke as well , Shiek will most likely be with zelda again (Uniqueness) Or be her own PC and WW link will most likely as well , What about ray ? Sakurai has shown some interest but like you said he's AT material , Mii's ? Sakurai doesen't go by the rules of commercialism anymore , He's his own company with SORA LTD on his back , I'm not saying give him his own special slot but you should put him higher up with the "Others". BTW wolf didn't have all the PRA back then , Falco was in all the games except he screwed up in all (SF64? Nothing , Adventures ? Last minute savior , Assult ? just a joke , Command ? He practically just ditched fox and blew the party , The first one ? I'm not counting that for anything...) And now wolf was only in one game before melee but now 3 , His PRA is now a lot greater than you think it is and his want in brawl is greater , I'm not saying for you to put him higher than krystal (LOL.) But i'm saying for you to maybe consider putting falco down and putting wolf up.

Btw i feel sorry for you having a sickness , Get well soon ^_^!

Ok first of, No character in the Star Fox series has more importance, then the members of THE Star Fox Team. Without his team, Fox would be pretty much screwed. His team helped go through all the battles, all the dogfights and helped him beat Andross (Saving him a couple of times along the way.) Fox, Falco, Peppy, Slippy, and Krytsal have more significance than Wolf (YES EVEN SLIPPY :O) but I won't go into Falco' importance in the team unless I have to.

Second, lets think on who'd be more of a clone, Wolf or Falco? Now why was the Star Wolf Team created? Their just a CLONE of the Star Fox Team to give them rivals o_o And besides, who'd be more clonish to a fox, a wolf or a bird? That's an obvious answer XD

In SF:64, Wolf was just another pilot you had to go through to get to Andross, nothing more, nothing less. Heck, he didnt even have his own personality! He had no pride and was just THERE to TRY and stop you (AND failed miserably :o). But Assault and Command chagned that.

Of course wolf was more requested, He'd be a NEWCOMER, Falco wouldn't. He didn't even get very high in Salurai's poll, only Krystal did. Falco is actually the most popular character in Star Fox (Yes even more than Krystal o_o) His appearance in Melee as helped that popularity. Why would Sakurai want to replace such popular, and often played character, with somebody that couldnt even get into Melee?

But I bet Sakurai did have to think about the debate against Wolf and Falco. He knew that either way ALOT of fans would be disappointed so what'd he do? Made Wolf an Alt XD. Oh and no I don't hate Wolf. He's one of my favorite Star Fox Characters and if I had to choose the three reps, I put Fox, Falco and Wolf. I'm just saying my point on how Wolf should never get in before Falco :D

Oh and I've been wondering. Why isnt Paper Mario on the roster? o.o His chances are fairly high from where I see it XD.

 

[nobletoast]

The arument that Takamaru will make it in because of his high placement in the poll proves nothing.

Look at the Melee poll for example. Not all of them made it in. Including Wario and King Dedede who where placed very highly and their considerably more popular and important than Takamaru. He has a chance I know but the poll argument isnt as concrete as you may think. He still should be higher than Black Knight and Mii.

I mean Ike playing as a heavy swordfighter was worse for BK's chance than Fox having grey fur does for Wolf's chances. The Black Knight isnt even that important to Fire Emblem AND you also have two Fire Emblem characters in the poll ahead of him and one confirmed. Do you think with all the possibilities from Fire Emblem - Miciaiah, Lyn, Marth etc. Sakurai and co would throw in two very similar playing characters.

ALTHOUGH I aknowledge that there is a slim possibility that he could give Black Knight a distinctive moveset but I and many others doubt it.

And although Mii's are still in the running their chances have been damaged a bit with that whole aviater argument. Personaly I dont know what to think here but many people have said they want them lowered.

 

[ph00tbag]

I take issue with the placing of WW Link at 15% over Midna. Not just because I like Midna, either. There are a lot of things that I feel you didn't take into account.

For one thing, you've bought into the hype that WW Link is different from the other Links in any way other than design. You're forgetting that no two links have ever had the exact same moves at their disposal. Arrows, Bombs, and the boomerang are really the only recurring weapons. The first Link didn't have a hookshot or grappling hook or anything. So citing a "different moveset" is bunk. Furthermore, despite the fact that very few Links have been the same as a previous Link, they have all been the bearers of the Triforce of Courage, which is what made them Link in the first place. Nothing else. Thus WW Link is as much a different character from TP Link as TP Link is for OoT Link or the original Link. You may as well consider WW Zelda to be different from the one in OoT, and her transformation would be Tetra, but then that would be silly. Why is Link any different? You could also go so far as to say that the Link who appeared in WW, having starred in two games, is more likely than TP Link. Thus far, TP Link seems to have won out for the representation.

I realize that the precedent for the same character appearing twice in different forms has been set, but in every case where that happened in Melee, the resultant character was either a clone (not supposed to happen in Brawl) or a transformation (TP Link transforms into WW Link? puh-leese).

Yes, there is the potential for a unique moveset, and that's why WW Link sticks around. However, Midna has an even greater potential for uniqueness. She's almost universally loved by Zelda players, she has a background all her own, she's technically a female, and Sakurai is thus far looking to Twighlight Princess for inspiration in Brawl, judging by Zelda and Link's designs.

You mention overpopulation, but frankly, that removed, I'd say that the two characters are at least equal, and your application of "overpopulation" is arbitrary, as is your removal of 15% seemlingly for that reason alone. I'd like to see real argumentation for both characters, plz.

Actually, your application of the overpopulation rule seems arbitrary in most cases, such as Wolf or Bowser Jr., or Lucario, even. It feels like just an excuse to put a less favored character even lower. IMO, this rule should not be applied unless the confirmed character population for a given franchise has maxed out. Thus far, one Star Fox rep is confirmed, three Mario reps and three (at most) peripherals are confirmed, and two Pokemon reps are confirmed. None of them has reached any kind of maximum, IMO.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Ok first of, No character in the Star Fox series has more importance, then the members of THE Star Fox Team. Without his team, Fox would be pretty much screwed. His team helped go through all the battles, all the dogfights and helped him beat Andross (Saving him a couple of times along the way.) Fox, Falco, Peppy, Slippy, and Krytsal have more significance than Wolf (YES EVEN SLIPPY :O) but I won't go into Falco' importance in the team unless I have to.

Second, lets think on who'd be more of a clone, Wolf or Falco? Now why was the Star Wolf Team created? Their just a CLONE of the Star Fox Team to give them rivals o_o And besides, who'd be more clonish to a fox, a wolf or a bird? That's an obvious answer XD

In SF:64, Wolf was just another pilot you had to go through to get to Andross, nothing more, nothing less. Heck, he didnt even have his own personality! He had no pride and was just THERE to TRY and stop you (AND failed miserably :o). But Assault and Command chagned that.

Of course wolf was more requested, He'd be a NEWCOMER, Falco wouldn't. He didn't even get very high in Salurai's poll, only Krystal did. Falco is actually the most popular character in Star Fox (Yes even more than Krystal o_o) His appearance in Melee as helped that popularity. Why would Sakurai want to replace such popular, and often played character, with somebody that couldnt even get into Melee?

But I bet Sakurai did have to think about the debate against Wolf and Falco. He knew that either way ALOT of fans would be disappointed so what'd he do? Made Wolf an Alt XD. Oh and no I don't hate Wolf. He's one of my favorite Star Fox Characters and if I had to choose the three reps, I put Fox, Falco and Wolf. I'm just saying my point on how Wolf should never get in before Falco :D

Oh and I've been wondering. Why isnt Paper Mario on the roster? o.o His chances are fairly high from where I see it XD.

First off wolf did fairly well on the poll's and falco wasn't as much requested to return <_<.
Second pape mario is not on there because he says it's a "Different mario" And wasn't even on the poll's.
Importance in the team ? This is a joke right ? This was about what the fan's wanted a lot last time i checked and krystal has practically replaced falco's role (Krystal is more of the one who has a "Storyline" With him now.

Second actually falco was already the clone , He's a literal joke but they both would be decloned either way <_<.

Wolf was more requested for the newcomer department then falco was to return , Btw he couldn't make it onto the melee roster for the fact he only managed to almost get second on the poll's (He was in one game back then.) And krystal was around , <_<.
And why would sakurai ? Because fan's wanted so , Falco has hardly any PRA whatsoever , I've played and beaten every SF game and i'm highly sure of that.

Oh and if he was so popular then why did krystal wolf and tons of non SF characters own him on the poll's ? >_> There you go.

And actually we don't even now yet , The costume could mean nothing (Mario has a luigi and wario one.) So what does falco have ? He's requested hardly to come back , A cloneish character , And the slight popularity + He might be a bit more important to SF , And what does wolf have ? Requested highly (Not insanely like geno or claus , Please note my wording.) On the poll's , Has somewhat of popularity , Would be able to have a rerendered moveset , So when you look at it as i said wolf should be moved up a bit and falco should be moved down.
And how does wolf have less PRA than Black knight to begin with ? And bowser jr ? And midna ? And ray01 , Those are not as requested and as "Interesting" And have harder competition to get into the roster then wolf does , It doesen't make any sence , And stafy ? HE WASN'T EVEN ON THE POLL'S FOR FLIPPING SAKES! As i said i'm not asking for him to move falco down to the 50 and say "OLOL NUB" And put wolf above captain falcon but i'm saying that wolf should be moved up a bit and falco should be moved down , Since when does falco have more of a chance then G&W ? Who will replace G&W ? Mrs.Game and watch ? That's a pure joke right there , Look it's that the ranking's might want to be pulled in a bit more ? If you get what i mean saying falco has 85% and saying "He can be easily outprioritized by wolf , But heck a lot of people want him back in brawl!" And putting wolf at 42 ? If you get my point at all then you should , And i can't see sakurai putting slippy before wolf <_< That wouldn't please the fans =P.

 

[Homelessvagrant]

First off, I think you did a really good job.
But I had a couple of problems with it.
I mean,
I don't wanna sound like a jerk or like I'm criticizing you,
But I had to double-take a couple of those sentences because of the minor spelling errors.
And again,
I think you did a good job.
But I don't particularly see many Lucario crazed fans anymore.
I'd personally like Blaziken instead of Lucario.
But that won't happen,
I guess.
Well written, just... Except for those errors.​

No, I thank you. I went over the spelling and well.... you were right. I only skimmed over to correct spelling so there might still be some gramatical and spelling errors. However for the most part you should see it's gramatically correct (now the character bios themselves were for the most part skimmed).

 

[Kokaloo]

No, I thank you. I went over the spelling and well.... you were right. I only skimmed over to correct spelling so there might still be some gramatical and spelling errors. However for the most part you should see it's gramatically correct (now the character bios themselves were for the most part skimmed).

Oh wow!
It looks much more clean and organized.
You did a great job.

 

[Homelessvagrant]

First off wolf did fairly well on the poll's and falco wasn't as much requested to return <_<.
Second pape mario is not on there because he says it's a "Different mario" And wasn't even on the poll's.
Importance in the team ? This is a joke right ? This was about what the fan's wanted a lot last time i checked and krystal has practically replaced falco's role (Krystal is more of the one who has a "Storyline" With him now.

Second actually falco was already the clone , He's a literal joke but they both would be decloned either way <_<.

Wolf was more requested for the newcomer department then falco was to return , Btw he couldn't make it onto the melee roster for the fact he only managed to almost get second on the poll's (He was in one game back then.) And krystal was around , <_<.
And why would sakurai ? Because fan's wanted so , Falco has hardly any PRA whatsoever , I've played and beaten every SF game and i'm highly sure of that.

Oh and if he was so popular then why did krystal wolf and tons of non SF characters own him on the poll's ? >_> There you go.

And actually we don't even now yet , The costume could mean nothing (Mario has a luigi and wario one.) So what does falco have ? He's requested hardly to come back , A cloneish character , And the slight popularity + He might be a bit more important to SF , And what does wolf have ? Requested highly (Not insanely like geno or claus , Please note my wording.) On the poll's , Has somewhat of popularity , Would be able to have a rerendered moveset , So when you look at it as i said wolf should be moved up a bit and falco should be moved down.
And how does wolf have less PRA than Black knight to begin with ? And bowser jr ? And midna ? And ray01 , Those are not as requested and as "Interesting" And have harder competition to get into the roster then wolf does , It doesen't make any sence , And stafy ? HE WASN'T EVEN ON THE POLL'S FOR FLIPPING SAKES! As i said i'm not asking for him to move falco down to the 50 and say "OLOL NUB" And put wolf above captain falcon but i'm saying that wolf should be moved up a bit and falco should be moved down , Since when does falco have more of a chance then G&W ? Who will replace G&W ? Mrs.Game and watch ? That's a pure joke right there , Look it's that the ranking's might want to be pulled in a bit more ? If you get what i mean saying falco has 85% and saying "He can be easily outprioritized by wolf , But heck a lot of people want him back in brawl!" And putting wolf at 42 ? If you get my point at all then you should , And i can't see sakurai putting slippy before wolf <_< That wouldn't please the fans =P.

Man I can't believe the Wolf vs Falco debate is still going on.

Let me list 10 reasons why Falco has a better shot then Wolf

1)He has appeared in more games then wolf

2)In the games he was in, he was given more of a personality. Wolf was given the genric "I want to kill fox and stuff" role.

3)Falco was in Melee (please note that wolf was around at this time and wasn't even given a trophy

4)Sakurai personally likes Falco as a character

5)While Wolf was on Sakurai's poll more, Falco had already been given the status of character in melee and therefore didn't need to be on the poll (at this time they didn't know some Melee characters were leaving). I mean Luigi wasn't on the pol......DECONFIRMED! =_=

6) Sakurai doesn't always use the poll as final authority. He said some characters not on the poll would get in. (Pokemon trainer ring a bell)

7)The whole Wolf argument is only fueled by the fact that he's a villain. That's just stupid

8)Replacing Falco with Wolf is an unnecesary move because Falco has an already established fan base with smash. Sakurai wouldn't want to displease fans (this is why I believe Ness will still be in)

9)Wolf isn't a major character like Falco and isn't technically vastily important to the Starfox plot. He's only Fox's rival after all. Falco is second in command of the starfox team.

10)....well I couldn't find 10 points but 9 should be enough to permeanently close this argument (till some other kid who hasn't seen this list comes with the same argument).

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[tirkaro]

The arument that Takamaru will make it in because of his high placement in the poll proves nothing.

Look at the Melee poll for example. Not all of them made it in. Including Wario and King Dedede who where placed very highly and their considerably more popular and important than Takamaru. He has a chance I know but the poll argument isnt as concrete as you may think. He still should be higher than Black Knight and Mii.

I never said takamaru would get in only because of the poll. I should have made it clear that I meant its simply a large contributing factor. I doubt most of the confirmed newcomers would have been put in had it not been for the poll. and those who ranked high on the poll(King DDD and wario) were eventually put into brawl anyway, since sakurai has a lot more time and rescources to develop brawl. And the poll and messages to sakurai are the only way we can predict him. and from what I've read so far, (I know there's a translation for sakurai's poll responses out there somewhere, I forgot where it was.) the odds seem to be looking greatly into takamaru's favor.

but besides that, I still stand by the fact that goroh's/lyn's assistrophyfication is also a large factor for takamaru's inclusion.

 

[Homelessvagrant]

I never said takamaru would get in only because of the poll. I should have made it clear that I meant its simply a large contributing factor. I doubt most of the confirmed newcomers would have been put in had it not been for the poll. and those who ranked high on the poll(King DDD and wario) were eventually put into brawl anyway, since sakurai has a lot more time and rescources to develop brawl. And the poll and messages to sakurai are the only way we can predict him. and from what I've read so far, (I know there's a translation for sakurai's poll responses out there somewhere, I forgot where it was.) the odds seem to be looking greatly into takamaru's favor.

but besides that, I still stand by the fact that goroh's/lyn's assistrophyfication is also a large factor for takamaru's inclusion.

Tikaro, I upped Tikamarus chances by some. I hope that is satisfactory to you.

 

[Andy4Brawl_911]

could you please put Andy, i n i don't care what place

 

[Zevox]

Sakurai doesn't always use the poll as final authority. He said some characters not on the poll would get in. (Pokemon trainer ring a bell)

An interesting point to consider here: Pokèmon Trainer actually rated very highly on the Melee newcomer poll. You can find a translated version of it here. Hes tied for #12 (which is just below Marth, and above the likes of Diddy and Meta Knight), named "Satoshi" (mentioned to be the main protagonist of Pokèmon).

Zevox

 

[Brawlmatt202]

An interesting point to consider here: Pokèmon Trainer actually rated very highly on the Melee newcomer poll. You can find a translated version of it here. Hes tied for #12 (which is just below Marth, and above the likes of Diddy and Meta Knight), named "Satoshi" (mentioned to be the main protagonist of Pokèmon).

Zevox

The thread I checked on it said "Ash", so I almost thought it was refering to the anime character!

 

[Ondo]

Midna wasn't even on the poll's

Of course she wasn't. The poll closed before her game was released.

 

[RandomGuy42]

Would the fact that Link's character entrance is appearing from the Wind Waker dungeon exit warp affect WW Link's chances much? It's not much to go by, but it's interesting to note.

I also find it difficult to justify multiples of the same character given what Subspace is looking like with its character interaction and storyline, but that's just me.

 

[Brawlmatt202]

Would the fact that Link's character entrance is appearing from the Wind Waker dungeon exit warp affect WW Link's chances much? It's not much to go by, but it's interesting to note.

Not in the slightest; WW Link could just glide down using his Deku Leaf.

 

[Insurance Salesman]

I haven't been on a couple days, so I'm sorry I'm a bit late posting this, but...

Thanks for putting K. Rool higher. I'm glad now that I know that he isn't at the complete bottom.

 

[TheMastermind]

Take Miis out its the stupidest thing ive ever herd of.
Put Megaman where he should be. Hes not a possible 3rd party when hes 98% confirmed.
Take out Staffy, hes the stupidest character idea ever. seriously what were you thinking?
Wolf and Black knight are both lower than where they should be.

 

[Insurance Salesman]

Take Miis out its the stupidest thing ive ever herd of.
Put Megaman where he should be. Hes not a possible 3rd party when hes 98% confirmed.
Take out Staffy, hes the stupidest character idea ever. seriously what were you thinking?
Wolf and Black knight are both lower than where they should be.

Could you give us some reasons for your opinions instead of just stating them?

 

[Zevox]

Wolf and Black knight are both lower than where they should be.

If anything, the Black Knight is being given far too much credit here. Between his almost complete lack of importance to the Fire Emblem series and the lack of popularity compared to the Lords, he has less of a chance of being playable than Roy does of returning.

Zevox

 

[Homelessvagrant]

Hes not listing 3rd-party characters with a percentile - isn't that obvious? But anyway, Mega Man isn't anywhere near confirmed, hes just the most highly requested and speculated upon third-party character left. We have no actual evidence of his presence.


If anything, the Black Knight is being given far too much credit here. Between his almost complete lack of importance to the Fire Emblem series and the lack of popularity compared to the Lords, he has less of a chance of being playable than Roy does of returning.

Zevox

*shakes head in agreement*

These characters are obviously very unlikely. They are more obscure then their succesors and they are from games more obscure then Nintendo's top five. I've credited Starfox and Fire Emblem with three reps. Most people think they should only have two. So these fourth reps really are on this site as a form of grace.

 

[Blobulator]

With this Wolf Vs. Falco debate, can anyone tell me what exactly is so *great* about Wolf? >.> Moveset-wise all that's been said are "grenades + close combat" as far as I'm aware. That is basically just Snake dressed as a Wolf essentially. I really don't see any of that as interesting.

Secondly how is Wolf more "interesting" than half the lower-ranked characters. Wolf is, essentially, a grey-furred "anti-fox" if you will. Bowser Jr., although he is similar to Bowser in looks, fights with a darn paintbrush. Now who else fights with something like that? Midna is a twilight imp, basically, who may possibly end up as a 4-legged character through Wolf Link(something the game lacks besides Ivysaur), as well as the use of an odd hand coming out of her head. Even Falco is much more differentiated from Fox/Wolf simply due to the fact that he's a bird and a new moveset could be much more focused around arial combat (something Sakurai seems to be trying to improve this game). That whole "more interesting/unique" point made about Wolf was a load of crap honestly, it's a matter of opinion.

Thirdly, like already said, Wolf status on the polls means diddly-squat (such a fun word ) when you look at the position of other characters. Krystal was ranked incredibly high, and Falco's already been in a game and was on a completely different poll with different motivations for people to vote. They can't quite be compared. As already stated, Midna's game wasn't even out at the time of the polls allegedly, and hell even King K. Rool got more than one vote according to the "Characters on Sakurai's Poll" thread. Besides with the amount of Mario Sunshine they're pushing this game Bowser Jr. isn't as "unlikely" as you seem to think. The Mario series will almost definately get one more non-peripheral rep, as Nintendo's main franchise is expected to "overpopulate" to a degree. Takamaru even got multiple votes on the polls, with Wolf again below them.

Star Fox already has Fox, Krystal is semi-confirmed as it is from the voice actor leak and high poll results, and Falco was already in a previous game. The franchise will arguably have 2-3 reps already. Do we *really* need Wolf? He'll be an AT or part of the Subspace Emissary at best >.> Long story short Star Fox TEAM takes priority over Star Fox Team clones for simply the sake of having a villian, really.

Ok first of, No character in the Star Fox series has more importance, then the members of THE Star Fox Team. Without his team, Fox would be pretty much screwed. His team helped go through all the battles, all the dogfights and helped him beat Andross (Saving him a couple of times along the way.) Fox, Falco, Peppy, Slippy, and Krytsal have more significance than Wolf (YES EVEN SLIPPY :O) but I won't go into Falco' importance in the team unless I have to.

Second, lets think on who'd be more of a clone, Wolf or Falco? Now why was the Star Wolf Team created? Their just a CLONE of the Star Fox Team to give them rivals o_o And besides, who'd be more clonish to a fox, a wolf or a bird? That's an obvious answer XD

In SF:64, Wolf was just another pilot you had to go through to get to Andross, nothing more, nothing less. Heck, he didnt even have his own personality! He had no pride and was just THERE to TRY and stop you (AND failed miserably :o). But Assault and Command chagned that.

Of course wolf was more requested, He'd be a NEWCOMER, Falco wouldn't. He didn't even get very high in Salurai's poll, only Krystal did. Falco is actually the most popular character in Star Fox (Yes even more than Krystal o_o) His appearance in Melee as helped that popularity. Why would Sakurai want to replace such popular, and often played character, with somebody that couldnt even get into Melee?

But I bet Sakurai did have to think about the debate against Wolf and Falco. He knew that either way ALOT of fans would be disappointed so what'd he do? Made Wolf an Alt XD. Oh and no I don't hate Wolf. He's one of my favorite Star Fox Characters and if I had to choose the three reps, I put Fox, Falco and Wolf. I'm just saying my point on how Wolf should never get in before Falco :D

Quoted for truth and avoiding repetition

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Man I can't believe the Wolf vs Falco debate is still going on.

Let me list 10 reasons why Falco has a better shot then Wolf

1)He has appeared in more games then wolf

2)In the games he was in, he was given more of a personality. Wolf was given the genric "I want to kill fox and stuff" role.

3)Falco was in Melee (please note that wolf was around at this time and wasn't even given a trophy

4)Sakurai personally likes Falco as a character

5)While Wolf was on Sakurai's poll more, Falco had already been given the status of character in melee and therefore didn't need to be on the poll (at this time they didn't know some Melee characters were leaving). I mean Luigi wasn't on the pol......DECONFIRMED! =_=

6) Sakurai doesn't always use the poll as final authority. He said some characters not on the poll would get in. (Pokemon trainer ring a bell)

7)The whole Wolf argument is only fueled by the fact that he's a villain. That's just stupid

8)Replacing Falco with Wolf is an unnecesary move because Falco has an already established fan base with smash. Sakurai wouldn't want to displease fans (this is why I believe Ness will still be in)

9)Wolf isn't a major character like Falco and isn't technically vastily important to the Starfox plot. He's only Fox's rival after all. Falco is second in command of the starfox team.

10)....well I couldn't find 10 points but 9 should be enough to permeanently close this argument (till some other kid who hasn't seen this list comes with the same argument).

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Most of those are correct except i'll go through some (At least you ranked it better now for the final 10.)
8.)Actually ness can easily be replaced (Might i mention sakurai has wanted to replace ness with lucas ?) And ness is technically what is another form of lucas.

5.)Yep i mean luigi hasn't appeared in loads of thousands of games , Your point for falco was "Yep it's falco and a lot of people want him to return" <- lawl , So i don't really see that but ok.

6.)Actually people requested to play as starters quite a bit and he was third on the melee poll's(For the pokemon subcatigory , 11th overall.) + On the brawl poll's , Care to explain ? .

4.)As i said i don't see this anywhere , Falco was the "LAST MINUTE OMG" Clone and by that logic your stating that sakurai likes pichu more than red .

9.)To be honest neither wolf or falco have a big role <_< I was just stretching it far.

1.)Actually he was also in the first one which didn't count for quite that much and in adventures he comes as the last minute savior .

2.)What personality ? They both stink at having one.

3.)You know that melee was rushed right ? By this logic we can say sigurd wasn't given a trophy thus sakurai has more interest in roy (This can be disproven through.)

And finally your right about ending this arguement (Actually the poll's do mean something , Look at geno <_<.) Besides as long as you keep him on i'll be happy (JUST DONT TAKE HIM OUT .)

 

[error_alt_delete]

you should put down the fact of geno being third party AND a mario character as a disadvantage, some people think that the last slot should go to a non-nintendo character.(assuming if there are only three slots).

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

you should put down the fact of geno being third party AND a mario character as a disadvantage, some people think that the last slot should go to a non-nintendo character.(assuming if there are only three slots).

That is not a disadvantage and just because a couple people feel like it shouldn't, doesn't mean it shouldn't

Example: I thought that exact same thing should be an advantage of his and not a disadvantage

 

[nobletoast]

I never said takamaru would get in only because of the poll. I should have made it clear that I meant its simply a large contributing factor. I doubt most of the confirmed newcomers would have been put in had it not been for the poll. and those who ranked high on the poll(King DDD and wario) were eventually put into brawl anyway, since sakurai has a lot more time and rescources to develop brawl. And the poll and messages to sakurai are the only way we can predict him. and from what I've read so far, (I know there's a translation for sakurai's poll responses out there somewhere, I forgot where it was.) the odds seem to be looking greatly into takamaru's favor.

but besides that, I still stand by the fact that goroh's/lyn's assistrophyfication is also a large factor for takamaru's inclusion.

No I agree Takamaru should be here because he has a chance but high inclusion on the poll isnt as concrete as many suggest.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

you should put down the fact of geno being third party AND a mario character as a disadvantage, some people think that the last slot should go to a non-nintendo character.(assuming if there are only three slots).

1.)Geno is Number 2 on the poll's highly wanted and has love from sakurai , No other mario character does and he would be counted as first party thus not wasting a third party slot.
2.)Geno is osmething called 2 1.5 party or w/e , Anyhow he can't put him there because putting bowser jr on the main roster helps people and geno is a "YES" "NO NUB" Thing .

No I agree Takamaru should be here because he has a chance but high inclusion on the poll isnt as concrete as many suggest.

I agree a bit , It does help a character through (COUGH CLAUS GENO .) And sakurai said it was one of his favorite games of all time + He was mentioned thrice on the journals and thrice on the poll's and did quite well =P.

 

[nobletoast]

Why is Starfy more likely than any other new Nintendo franchise such as Chibi-Robo which isnt Japanese exclusive or a rep from Nintendo/Advance/Batillion Wars?

He/She/It may have relative popularity in Japan but the aforementioned franchises have popularity all over the place and have very interestinf moveset potential. Also considering we have one Japanese only character confirmed (although it wasnt a Japanese only franchise) as well as the possibility of Claus, Sukapon and Takamaru who have their high poll placing (which as i stated before isnt as concrete as it seems but does count for something) adn probably have more western support. We all know Sakurai wanted to keep the Japnese only's low and there already one up.

I think you should reconsider Starfy's high placement.

And im sorry to be *****ing in the thread AGAIN but im a perfectionist...except when it comes to fixing spelling mistakes evidently.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Why is Starfy more likely than any other new Nintendo franchise such as Chibi-Robo which isnt Japanese exclusive or a rep from Nintendo/Advance/Batillion Wars?

He/She/It may have relative popularity in Japan but the aforementioned franchises have popularity all over the place and have very interestinf moveset potential. Also considering we have one Japanese only character confirmed (although it wasnt a Japanese only franchise) as well as the possibility of Claus, Sukapon and Takamaru who have their high poll placing (which as i stated before isnt as concrete as it seems but does count for something) adn probably have more western support. We all know Sakurai wanted to keep the Japnese only's low and there already one up.

I think you should reconsider Starfy's high placement.

And im sorry to be *****ing in the thread AGAIN but im a perfectionist...except when it comes to fixing spelling mistakes evidently.

I Agree , If stafy has so much support yet paper mario is more popular and so is andy and they all three weren't on the poll's...How does this go anywhere ? Care to explain again .
Once again as i mentioned with characters like wolf (Who HAVE a good chance at replacing others.) You have been giving stafy overcredit then for what he deserves.
And i don't see the point of putting "HIGHLY INPROBABLE" When your collecting the top 28 characters and not the 28 most unlikely >_<.
And also i think G&W Should be moved up , He got high support and popularity from melee is well requested to return as i said and brong about something unique , Certainly i assure you G&W has a higher chance at the roster than shiek and falco .. Or does this have to do with him being lower tier ?
+Sukapon was highly requested for by fan's after melee came out and sakurai has a lot more interest in mother 3 , You state that sakurai has interest in falco yet you forget that he doesen't like ness as much , Good job .
I mean they could easily dispose of ness as an alt and get all the ness you want in one alternative costume then have claus suck in the nice good PC slot <_< And why is sukapon number 42 below ness >_< ?
Might i mention that you refuse to put black shadow when he did have high poll ranking's and f-zero is quite a popular series (To have the chance at mantaining 2 reps) Just don't take my wolfy of there (Take BK instead , Who likes him ? XD.) Anyho you said when we argued about this even through he is one of the most popular characters of the series you yet put "BOSS MATERIAL NUB" All-over him , And put on bowser jr at least a thing that says "And the fact that he can be outprioritzed by geno does come into place" And actually you should put advantages/Disadvantages on them (You might need to go up to slot 55 soon to .) But still this is a nice list and we are all just trying to help you with it (Mine at nsider2 is practically dead now but it good 500 responses in less then a month .).

 

[Ferro De Lupe]

Could you give us some reasons for your opinions instead of just stating them?

Obviously he's not going to because then we'd shoot him down with the facts.

 

[Homelessvagrant]

I Agree , If stafy has so much support yet paper mario is more popular and so is andy and they all three weren't on the poll's...How does this go anywhere ? Care to explain again .

First before starting, I'd like to mention a few things. I might have some WTF characters above other seemingly more popular characters, please bear with me..

Sakurai's list is not the final authority in these matters.

-Sakurai said himself that he would add some characters not on the list. Stafy is a franchise growing vastly in Japan. He has his own marketing campaign and even has his own comics in Japan.

-SSB has already proven to be a great game for marketi ng reasons.

-Stafy is a reoccuring character who's life started out on the GBA and has crossed over to the DS.

-He has great moveset potential and can (if designed right) be a very unique aquatic character (remember swimming is now in smash)

-Stafy is a character with alot of personality.

-Remember that the characters on the polls don't represent every Smash fans view. Only the elite and dedicated players placed their opinions on the polls. (it is unlike a casual gamer to do such a thing)

Conclusion

Stafy isn't that unlikely when you consider the other two Japanese only chaaracters have been in only one game each and have been lost in time. I ask people do you think Takamaru or Sukapon, who have only been in one game in one country, really outprioritize the other characters?

Once again as i mentioned with characters like wolf (Who HAVE a good chance at replacing others.) You have been giving stafy overcredit then for what he deserves.
And i don't see the point of putting "HIGHLY INPROBABLE" When your collecting the top 28 characters and not the 28 most unlikely >_<.
And also i think G&W Should be moved up , He got high support and popularity from melee is well requested to return as i said and brong about something unique , Certainly i assure you G&W has a higher chance at the roster than shiek and falco .. Or does this have to do with him being lower tier ?
+Sukapon was highly requested for by fan's after melee came out and sakurai has a lot more interest in mother 3 , You state that sakurai has interest in falco yet you forget that he doesn't like ness as much , Good job .
I mean they could easily dispose of ness as an alt and get all the ness you want in one alternative costume then have claus suck in the nice good PC slot <_< And why is sukapon number 42 below ness >_< ?
Might i mention that you refuse to put black shadow when he did have high poll ranking's and f-zero is quite a popular series (To have the chance at mantaining 2 reps) Just don't take my wolfy of there (Take BK instead , Who likes him ? XD.) Anyho you said when we argued about this even through he is one of the most popular characters of the series you yet put "BOSS MATERIAL NUB" All-over him , And put on bowser jr at least a thing that says "And the fact that he can be outprioritzed by geno does come into place" And actually you should put advantages/Disadvantages on them (You might need to go up to slot 55 soon to .) But still this is a nice list and we are all just trying to help you with it (Mine at nsider2 is practically dead now but it good 500 responses in less then a month .).

Dude now the rest of this is old jumble arguments that you've already made.

+Sukapon was highly requested for by fan's after melee came out and sakurai has a lot more interest in mother 3 , You state that sakurai has interest in falco yet you forget that he doesn't like ness as much , Good job .

What? what do these three characters have the slightest thing to do with each other. Sakurai doesn't dislike Ness, he just prefers Lucas over Ness so this means he would put Lucas in before Ness.......which he has. The same thing with Falco and Wolf (exept in this case Krystal and Fox outprioritize him). The more you argue for Wolf's case the more I think of his disadvantages.....I'm starting to think he doesn't even belong in number 40 spot.

Might i mention that you refuse to put black shadow when he did have high poll ranking's and f-zero is quite a popular series (To have the chance at mantaining 2 reps)

You're kidding right? The only real F-Zero Character that even had a chance to be on this poll was Ghoro. If any F-Zero Character ends up playable it will be Pico or Dr. Stewart because they were in the first the F-Zero. But I laugh at that happening. I see Dr. Shadow as a Boss and nothing more.

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Edit: Yeah, I took him off the list. No offense to you personally ThirdKoopa but your arguments were so weak that it convinced mede to do the opposite of your request. However don't take it personal, I felt I need to add a new character anyways.

well as tradition has been, here's wolf's bio:

Wolf = 42%
While this character would be a cool addition, he doesn’t have the priority of other characters. Also overpopulation rules against him. Plus its seems as of now that Fox has a "Wolf" costume thus lowering his chances even further. He however would add to the villain count as well as add a heavier Fox.

 

[tirkaro]

Tikaro, I upped Tikamarus chances by some. I hope that is satisfactory to you.

who's tikaro and tikamaru?

but anyway, all I really want is a good reason why you think takamaru isn't as likely as I think. The current profile is still pretty......questionable.

 

[Ondo]

While I think an Advance Wars character is fairly likely, Andy is just one of the possibilities. He was the protagonist of Advance Wars 1 & 2, but had a much less important role in Dual Strike, as I understand it.

Sami and Max were important but secondary characters in (I think) all three games. So I'd say they're about as important as Andy. IMO both have more moveset potential. Personally I'd like to see Sami, as she's female and her special forces training could be an interesting basis for a moveset.

Another possibility is a character from the upcoming Advance Wars: Days of Ruin, which reportedly features an entirely new cast.

 

[Zevox]

While I think an Advance Wars character is fairly likely, Andy is just one of the possibilities. He was the protagonist of Advance Wars 1 & 2, but had a much less important role in Dual Strike, as I understand it.

Unfortunately, yeah. Andy didn't appear in the story mode of DS at all (unless you count a clone of him as an enemy), and his role was taken over by a new character, Jake (man I hated that kid... he knew just how to spoil the best moments of the game...).

Zevox

 

[Controller of Flames]

http://serebii.net/pokedex-dp/448.shtml

Look at Lucario's moves in pokemon, they'd be awesome for Brawl.

 

[Homelessvagrant]

who's tikaro and tikamaru?

but anyway, all I really want is a good reason why you think takamaru isn't as likely as I think. The current profile is still pretty......questionable.

Sorry about that.

Anyways I will update the profile soon to be more relevant but for the reason he is lower then those above them is quite simple.

First I would tpo mention that he's Japanese only. Now I believe thinking that Japanese only exclusions are stupid, I do however believe it's limiting. You'll notice that I have 5 Japanese only chars on the list. Now obviously I do not believe that all of them will make it (much in how I believe all 6 LOZ reps will make it). Now that we look at these Japanese only chars, Lucas is already in. Further more Claus has a chance because of Sakurai's seemingly bent nature to Mother 3 (though this can't be confirmed at the moment). Stafy I have already mentioned before on this page. So it comes down to Sukapon and Takamaru. Sukapon is higher up because of his symbolic nature of being in the first fighting game. Takamaru only has the fact that he's a samurai swordsmen and was on Sakurai's poll (which I mind you 4 of the others were also on at the same ranking).

Second there is the fact that even in Japan he only has one game in his entire franchise. So this means that he is not only a character reserved to Japan but that he is limited onto the famicom. Now I here about Sakurai's talk about his love for retros. This is cool and all but Even Ice Climbers had their game in multiple countries. Further more Sakurai from what I hear actually worked on that game (though this might be incorrect, if so please correct me). Takamaru is just too limited in terms of community support. Yes I know that he was on Sakurai's polls but you have to think that the only people who actually vote on these kinds of polls are the hard core gamer and not the casual gamer.


I can understand your support for this character and I will say he'd make a cool character I'm sure many people would enjoy....but I can't see him getting in unless Brawl has at least 48 characters. Still keep rooting for him, Sakurai might pull a fast one on us

While I think an Advance Wars character is fairly likely, Andy is just one of the possibilities. He was the protagonist of Advance Wars 1 & 2, but had a much less important role in Dual Strike, as I understand it.

Sami and Max were important but secondary characters in (I think) all three games. So I'd say they're about as important as Andy. IMO both have more moveset potential. Personally I'd like to see Sami, as she's female and her special forces training could be an interesting basis for a moveset.

Another possibility is a character from the upcoming Advance Wars: Days of Ruin, which reportedly features an entirely new cast.

well I can't deny I'm a battalion/advanced/gameboy/famicom wars series so I'll have trouble picking a character from the group. So I'll stick with Andy now and let him represent the advanced wars cast as a whole. That until I can pick the obviously right character. I'm quite curious why this series has been ignored thus far. It seems with as many games it has made that a character from the series is a definite duh...but what do I know about the series. I'll try to do more research on the series so I can be affirmed with Wars comments.

 

[Firekid2]

Why is geno so low? Didn't Square hand him over for a cameo in M&L:SSS? Even if relationships were as bad as you say, I'm sure SE would have no prolem lending him for brawl.