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and ...but I've been curious about a 3rd and final main., , all have my interest. I'm wondering which would be best to cover and 's weaknesses...or whatever. However, as of recently: Has lost my interest as it's been so difficult to play him at a competitive level and have fun with him. I can still have fun with him, don't get me wrong, he's my #1 favorite Pokemon after all! It's just that I don't know if I can take him to a competitive level. Has lost my interest as well. Plus, the main reason both he and are on my list, are because they're tied for #3 favorite Pokemon...and is likely to take that spot.
I don't really know what the matchup spreads for MK and Lucina are like, but as long as at least one of them can handle Fox and Sonic each decently (everyone struggles against Sheik pretty much and I know that MK doesn't lose too badly to her), Greninja should be a great partner. Rosalina also seems like a great pick since she has a really solid matchup spread as a whole, but if you like Greninja more as a character then I'd go with him.So, I've been wondering something. My mains atm are
A wise friend once tried to convince me of a top 3 list for smash, and I never did so until now. I thought I could handle 4+ and I was wrong. Anyways, the first 2 slots have been taken...however:
So, It's the final stretch, therefore I had a question. Do you think the ninja frog qualifies my 3rd main? Thank you for reading this fellow ninjas and thank you for whatever assistance you may provide. ◥θ┴θ◤
I would say go with the Ninja, but then again I may or may not be horribly biased. Plus I'm trying to convert as many Smash 4 players as I can to the Frog Side.So, I've been wondering something. My mains atm are
A wise friend once tried to convince me of a top 3 list for smash, and I never did so until now. I thought I could handle 4+ and I was wrong. Anyways, the first 2 slots have been taken...however:
So, It's the final stretch, therefore I had a question. Do you think the ninja frog qualifies my 3rd main? Thank you for reading this fellow ninjas and thank you for whatever assistance you may provide. ◥θ┴θ◤
Others may disagree, but I'd honestly have to say no to Greninja being a 3rd character. Not many people play this character and there's a reason for that: An extremely precise character who requires you to make every move well calculated and make sure any punishment is as minimal as possible. You get killed first and your opponent has a lead, its really hard to even the playing field and make a comeback. He's got decent matchups and is really good for the most part, but it takes waaaay too much time and dedication to have him as a side character since he's got such a big learning curve. Gonna take a lot of time and patience to get good with him if he's just a pocket, you might as well make him your new main if you intend to learn him. Its just not worth it imo. For matchups, I'd say he loses toSo, I've been wondering something. My mains atm are
A wise friend once tried to convince me of a top 3 list for smash, and I never did so until now. I thought I could handle 4+ and I was wrong. Anyways, the first 2 slots have been taken...however:
So, It's the final stretch, therefore I had a question. Do you think the ninja frog qualifies my 3rd main? Thank you for reading this fellow ninjas and thank you for whatever assistance you may provide. ◥θ┴θ◤
, maybe a few more potential bad MUs than that. I don't know anything about Meta Knight's matchups, but Lucina isn't exactly a good character and she kinda has trouble dealing with a lot of fighters in general, these ones included. If Meta Knight can't deal with these, maining him Greninja and Lucina is gonna give you quite some problems; and considering Greninja's learning curve I still find it hard to recommend him to begin with.
Just going to clarify, he'd be a main, not a pocket, but I'm sure you knew that. Anyways, here's some things:Others may disagree, but I'd honestly have to say no to Greninja being a 3rd character. Not many people play this character and there's a reason for that: An extremely precise character who requires you to make every move well calculated and make sure any punishment is as minimal as possible. You get killed first and your opponent has a lead, its really hard to even the playing field and make a comeback. He's got decent matchups and is really good for the most part, but it takes waaaay too much time and dedication to have him as a side character since he's got such a big learning curve. Gonna take a lot of time and patience to get good with him if he's just a pocket, you might as well make him your new main if you intend to learn him. Its just not worth it imo. For matchups, I'd say he loses to
Its not particularly easy to recommend any of those other characters either: As it is now Mewtwo is pretty bad, probably a bottom 15 character right now and he's just not rewarding enough for how frail and big he is. Lucario is good, but I hear playing him is harder than it looks and he too has a big learning curve (though not as much as Greninja), He's really inconsistent because if you die first and lose your aura it can be real hard to make comebacks. Rosalina is probably the one I'd go with if I were you. Her learning curve is still above average overall, but she's probably the easiest one of the 4 to get down and she's the 2nd best character in the game (though Dabuz says otherwise) with little to no troublesome matchups, and at least does better against every one of those 5 I mentioned than Greninja does. She's still not easy to get accustomed to though, lose Luma and you become one of the worst characters and weaker in a lot of aspects, and it becomes very important to work on managing and protecting Luma to avoid that. She's still a handful, but not as much as the others are.
: Sheik vs MK is actually quite even, but otherwise I'm unsure about the other 4. I also know he's a hard counter for Rosalina. In general, he and Lucina seem to work well together.: I will continue to main Lucina throughout Smash 4, as I have with other low tiers: Like Mewtwo in Melee, and Sonic in Brawl. (even though I see Lucina being mid tier at the least as I fail to see her as a "bad character" but that's imo). As for MU's, what I know is likely above in MK's section.
Why, just why?
Glad to see that you're making progress in your decision and that Greninja seems to be good fit for you. Good luck!
Wow, that's a really good result! Skeptical on Greninja being top 5-8 since
are likely better than him, but he's definitely a great character especially with his recent buffs (I think he's just below the top 10 personally). Good stuff regardless!
That's because two of the three Greninja players that posted an analysis said that it could be from even to Rosa's favor, so they just averaged it out.
A minor nitpick but actually... the MK boards themselves seem to say that while MK slightly beats Fox, he still loses to Sonic & Sheik by around -1 (though to be honest this isn't too bad and shouldn't really affect u much in a tournament unless your opponent is around your skill level), and so does Greninja. Not sure how we fare against ZSS and Captain Falcon, as I have yet to play against either one of them locally in my region (I doubt either are that bad tho) but they also say he has a bit of trouble with Falcon and a lot of trouble with ZSS too, something I thought may be worth keeping in mind. Good luck on making your choice, hope you can make it soon! A warning reminder though: if you choose Greninja, be prepared for a mountain of training cuz of his learning curve and technicality, especially when you already have two characters under your belt. In the end you'll be rewarded handsomely if you fight your way through all of it, but its gonna be a loooong road.
Umm, if you already play Lucina and Meta Knight, that kind of would make him your pocket. Technically, it's only possible to "main" 1 character: the #1 character you perform best with and/or play the most often (your in-game records can tell you that), the term speaks for itself. You can play as many characters as you want to, but you can only play at your best and/or most with one. If you play Lucina the most, then that makes her your main, MK your secondary, and anybody else you play a pocket character (unless of course you plan to make Greninja your new #1 and play him more than both of them, then that makes him your main). Just saying.
I appreciate your enthusiasm. For training, I feel I've got a decent amount from when I had WAY too many mains. He, Lucina, and MK have been able to stick around and hold my interest for the longest time.
This I disagree with. Anyone can have more than 1 main character if they put the same amount of time and effort into them. You likely disagree with this, so let's just say co-main (As that may be more accurate terminology anyways). Either way, I will co-main all these characters. I try to spend equal time on each and make sure they're all around the same in performance. I refuse to main only 1 character, as that's so little and hardly any variety. I also refuse to main any higher than 3, as that's proven to be WAY too many.
If I pick Greninja, I'll be co-maining the blue guys as well.On another note, had a tournament last saturday with around 58 people there and I placed 7th this time. Not as good as my 2nd place last time, but I'm pretty happy with it since i had a lot of fun matches (I had 2 real intense matches: One using Greninja angainst this pretty good MK player, and another using Mega Man against my state's Top D3 player) and for the first time, I was actually successful in using Greninja more often than I usually do. Most of the time I use Mega Man for most of my sets and Greninja for like 1/4th of them, but this time I used them both equally for the most part and my Greninja's finally coming alonmg as I want him to. After playing this game series called Battletoads (best rival of TMNT) recently, I've also gone back to using the Green color like I originally did since Greeninja kinda reminds me of the toads with it lol.
Unfortunately, I was forced to face the wrath of a Sheik player the day before the tournament in friendlies, he practically destroyed my soul and I couldn't defeat him either with Mega Man or Greninja. At this tournament I was called to face him, and as soon as I heard it I knew I was doomed, and doomed I was indeed and he was my passport to loser's bracket. Dealing with the needles, bouncing fish, and the notorious Fair was so exhausting and I couldn't find much to do about it, this is one of the few times I've ever played against Sheik locally and I usually don't have to play with this character, but when I did this time I felt so discouraged when I lost.Luckily, there were alot of people at the tournament so it took awhile for them to call my next match, giving me enough time to quit worrying and move on, and I was then tearing up almost everyone I met in losers. But then, I was eventually pitted against the same Sheik in bracket again, and I was scared shirtless again. Didn't even try to hide my fear in front of him and my friends, lost the first round as Greninja and switched to Rosalina since I knew I was gonna lose again anyway and I've been practicing with her for some time now. Surprisingly tho, I did better with her against him than I did with myreal two characters and I managed to take at least one game off of him, before struggling a bit the next and killing myself in an SD recovery that got me out of the tournament. I officially can't stand fighting Sheik now (or at least this one), and it looks like I'm gonna have to perfect my Rosalina a bit more now and work with the MU on Greninja next time I see that guy. Knowing Rosalina's learning curve, I know its gonna be a long one, but I'll pull through. Looks like I'm playing the blue guys now, and they're all pretty complicated lol
Congraaaatz!
I said I thought it was even but wouldn't be surprised if it was Rosa's favor. I just think it's a little upsetting they provided no analysis on it.
How do you know how good I am? lol
Exact same problem with me dude. I frequent the online tournaments and Smash Ladder but still think that offline practice and tournaments is the best way to improve. Especially when a technical character like a Greninja does much worse in lag, from my experience.
I still don't have Internet so we still can't do dittos unfortunately. Do you have an Ethernet Adapter?
Actually pretty good. I've been practicing footstool combos a lot from the one's you've taught me to the aMSa level ones (which are insanely difficult, by the way). I even managed to 60-death a Falcon the other day by performing a footstool combo from a baited air dodge. So satisfying to do successfully.
Nice! Those combos are so satisfying to pull off. LOL
I actually never heard of that. That sounds like it could use some testing though.
