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TheRealDonquavious

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Attending my first tourney tomorrow, I'm both a bit nervous and excited. I've never even played a serious match offline, so this will certainly be interesting. As far as first tournaments go, any tips in general to maximize the fun?
Also, a big thanks to everyone on our character's forum for indirectly teaching me the intricacies of our frog :)
 

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Attending my first tourney tomorrow, I'm both a bit nervous and excited. I've never even played a serious match offline, so this will certainly be interesting. As far as first tournaments go, any tips in general to maximize the fun?
Also, a big thanks to everyone on our character's forum for indirectly teaching me the intricacies of our frog :)
Socialize and get to know the people there. Makes it a lot easier when you know they're human.

And play friendlies. Lotsa friendlies.
 

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I have decided to pick up Greninja as a main again. Is there any advice you guys can give me?

Is there anyone with the 3Ds name TeeFive here? I encountered him recently online and learned alot from him.
 

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Tomorrow will be my first real Smash 4 local tourney! Gonna rep the Ninja and my boy Ness. Any tips from a fellow ninja?

Any true combos you all suggest i practice beforehand?
 
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Tomorrow will be my first real Smash 4 local tourney! Gonna rep the Ninja and my boy Ness. Any tips from a fellow ninja?

Any true combos you all suggest i practice beforehand?
You can check the true combos thread for a refresher, but a few you'll want to know (off the top of my head) are:
Low Percent- Nair to Jab/Footstool Dair (if you can do footstool combos).
Dash Attack to Fair.
Mid Percent- Utilt to Uair spike (x amount of times) to Utilt to Uair
Nair Usmash
Uthrow to Uair
KO Confirms- Dtilt/Soft Nair to Usmash/Fair depending on percent.
Utilt to Uair

Aside from that don't fish for random kill options without some kind of purpose to it. Keep calm, punish habits accordingly (i.e. Fair/Shadow Sneak/Uair/etc. airdodges), and don't get discouraged. Play your best and use safe options in neutral like Shurikens from a distance and Fairs and Ftilts on shield. Remember to play friendlies for experience, and good luck.
 

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So since I learnt how to punish Homing Spin properly on shield, Sonic has been so much easier to deal with.

I think the ability to punish HS on shield takes away a lot of (almost all, really) of Sonic's shield pressure from the air. It stops him from being able to do things like HS into you, whiff, and double jump before he hits the ground, or HS into your shield and just bounce away -> jump safely. He also can't seamlessly transition back into Spin Dash for free after a Homing Spin hits your shield.

Playing as other characters has also made me appreciate how good Greninja really is at dealing with Spin Dash on shield. A lot of characters simply don't jump high enough to actually hit Sonic after he Spin Dashes into their shield and jumps, so he gets away with it for free. Characters with high jumpsquat and short jumps struggle to actually get away from Sonic's mixup of simply stopping Spin Dash rather than jumping, which Greninja doesn't have to worry about because he jumps away safely no matter what.

Sonic is still a strong pick against us, but whether I'm convinced he actually beats us now is a different story. Some characters can punish Homing Spin on shield but not all (you need good air speed and preferably good range on your Fair, or a move called Bouncing Fish) which gives Greninja a fairly niche advantage, and not all characters can actually punish Sonic when he jumps after hitting your shield with Spin Dash. Greninja has a projectile which is safe to use from afar (shurikens still have relatively low ending lag for a projectile despite the nerf) and his frame 3 jab is fine for stopping Spin Dash if you want.

Also, Greninja might just be the best equipped character for punishing Spring > Dair because he has a lot of options against it. Hydro Pump can stall Sonic in the air, we all know how good Greninja's dashgrab is if you want to grab Sonic's landing, and Greninja's Usmash is not only powerful but the first hit of the sweetspot can't be clanked with. Plus if Sonic Dairs from the proper height to get no landing lag, he will have no hitbox on the Dair when he's near the ground, so Usmash should be a free hit.

Sonic is not easy to deal with by any stretch of the imagination by the way, he's an extremely annoying character who can turn the tide of a match quickly and easily camp you out if he gets the lead. But I have at least personally come on leaps and bounds in this MU. Looking at Greninja's tools in this MU makes me think he has a better time in it than most. It's early days, and I'd need to fight more good Sonic players to say for sure, but on a theory level I don't see why we couldn't go even with Sonic at this point.
 

TheRealDonquavious

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Back from my first tourney, a monthly with 22 people. I took fourth, running through losers after losing in winners round 2. I somehow managed to beat the player ranked 8 in the state, and lost in losers to the player ranked 6.
The tourney was so much fun, I'm definitely gonna go to more, I still have much to learn :)
 

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Back from my first tourney, a monthly with 22 people. I took fourth, running through losers after losing in winners round 2. I somehow managed to beat the player ranked 8 in the state, and lost in losers to the player ranked 6.
The tourney was so much fun, I'm definitely gonna go to more, I still have much to learn :)
Wow, nice. Wish I had done so well at my first tournament. haha. Great job!
 

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Back from first tournament. Was too nervous and crowded and I lost the first match to a diddy. :( meh.
I did pretty good even nervous, if I had been more calm I feel like I could've won.
 

Dark Dire Wolf

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This is embarrassing, but how do I beat a ZSS who keeps space with her blaster then hits and runs when the opportunity comes? I can't beat my sister but I can beat FG ZSS lol.
 

31IV

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So anyone remember that Falcon glitch where dashgrab at the ledge would cause the grabbed person to not get damaged by pummels? It's like they're stuck behind the actual grab animation.
It happened to me as Greninja. Couldn't upload a pic to Miiverse cause I was playing on the Miiverse stage, and was too lazy to search for my phone, but yeah.
I wonder how hard it is to get this glitch again, haven't tried yet.

Also, slowly learning footstool combos now. \:4greninja:/
 

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This is embarrassing, but how do I beat a ZSS who keeps space with her blaster then hits and runs when the opportunity comes? I can't beat my sister but I can beat FG ZSS lol.
I'm no great shakes with Greninja, but it seems like it would be easy enough to beat the taser strategy. Water shuriken has greater range, and because the shots move faster it should be easy to sit further back and poke her instead. Shadow sneak can also be used to by pass the shots. If she's charging them at all, start a shadow sneak, and time your release so you avoid the blaster altogether. I think substitute should work as well, especially in shorter ranges where it should snap to ZSS's position, but I could be wrong. Finally, the blaster only shoots ahead in a straight line and can't be canceled once started. With Greninja's air speed and multiple arials that auto-cancel, just jumping over the taser to hit with Fair or Nair could also work.

Of all of those, water shuriken is easily the safest, but isn't going to net you kills, only damage. All the others could lead into kills, but if those don't work (again, I'm no expert here), there is always baiting. After all, you should be forcing her to come to you, not the other way around.
 

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This is probably pretty well known (I sure as hell didn't come up with it myself), but I think it's noteworthy that SH Dair can safely spike people hanging on the ledge when they don't have invincibility. I got this like 3 times today along by ledge trumping. Great way to net early kills if the opponent doesn't see it coming -- and who would?

It might also be able to hit players during the 1 frame? Don't know for sure if that's possible or even reasonable to do though.
 

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This is probably pretty well known (I sure as hell didn't come up with it myself), but I think it's noteworthy that SH Dair can safely spike people hanging on the ledge when they don't have invincibility. I got this like 3 times today along by ledge trumping. Great way to net early kills if the opponent doesn't see it coming -- and who would?

It might also be able to hit players during the 1 frame? Don't know for sure if that's possible or even reasonable to do though.
Yeah people have known this for a while, I've done it a few times but I still need to get better at ledge trumping so I can do it more often. It certainly does the job well though.
 

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I don't know if this has been discovered or not. It's regarding the 2nd hit of Greninja's sweetspotted Usmash and BF's left and right platforms
I have found a way so the 2nd hit doesn't whiff. You have to stand in the center of character's hurtbox, and with that both hits will connect
 

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As an aspiring Greninja main, I thought I should swing by the Greninja social and say hello to all of my fellow ninja frog brethren!

So, hello everyone!

 
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TheRealDonquavious

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Our forum is the best lol. Among awesome newcomers, serious discussion, hydro pump gimping, and FullMoon's profile pic somehow getting better and better every time, I don't think anybody could beat us
 

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This legit made me laugh.

Would be nice if there was more activity on the boards though.
Please give me that avi's source. It's so good.

We've certainly got some activity. Some boards are absolutely dead, though. It's a shame. :ohwell:
 

FullMoon

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Please give me that avi's source. It's so good.

We've certainly got some activity. Some boards are absolutely dead, though. It's a shame. :ohwell:
I don't remember where I got it from right off, it was somewhere in tumblr. Here's the full picture though:



And yeah I know we got it better than some boards that are simply dead lol.
 

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Our forum is the best lol. Among awesome newcomers, serious discussion, hydro pump gimping, and FullMoon's profile pic somehow getting better and better every time, I don't think anybody could beat us
*looks at FullMoon's avatar*
I can agree, his avatar of choice is excellent!
Please give me that avi's source. It's so good.

We've certainly got some activity. Some boards are absolutely dead, though. It's a shame. :ohwell:
That's just the way it goes unfortunately. Some threads get incredibly popular and become flooded with users, leading to hundreds upon hundreds of pages being created. Meanwhile other threads lay barren and empty, visited by only the most curious of users. Forums are a "fly or die" environment. Either a thread gains popularity and flourishes, or it withers away and vanishes.


..... but enough of that depressing crap! Cause this thread is pretty alive and healthy!
 

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I sorta prefer a non flooded forum because some people drawn to them are too much to handle. This community is really nice even if its smaller.
 

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I mainly get my Greninja pics from tumblr and sometimes Deviantart. I have an image folder with 71 pictures of Greninja right now haha.

I think there were only two times where I didn't use a Greninja avatar in this place. Once I used a Rosalina avatar for joke purposes for one night and the other was when I switched to a picture of Alice Margatroid from Touhou.

Otherwise I'm pretty sure I went full frog here.

... And pretty much every other community I'm part of since =V
 
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