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So anyone found anything on these yet?
So basicaly melee marth with bombs?
guys......... Guys?
Oddly enough, Toon Link's not a very popular character and most players are only interested in what's going on in their main characters' boards.Why does no one ever post lol
I don't know what you mean exactly by "Fall down Up air" but I like to chase people when I launch them up into the air with an empty jump, and wait a little for the airdodge. And as we both fall down I initiate the Up air in order to catch their airdodge while following their DI, in order to punish the airdodge. Hope this helps any.
vs MU? Hyuga and a few others make it look doable but I want to be sure.
I have 2 friends that main Sheik, one really offensive, and one really defensive. They aren't top level, but they know their stuff, yet I don't lose very often to them. Sure I struggle, but I think its pretty even from my experience.I have seen a lot of conflicting information regarding this topic so I want to be sure:
What is the general consensus on the
I like to do it as a mixup out of two jabs, I also use it as a little poke now and then instead of jab. But generally I like to use jab more, its faster.
I like to use my projectiles in a matter that they sort of trap the opponent in shield now and then. If you do so, you can pressure them into shield, and grab them. Grab beats shield, and Toon Link is really good at getting people into their shields with projectiles. You can scare them with a boomerang (or a returning one). Or if you drop a bomb on someone's shield its a free grab, either they get hit by it while you run up to grab, or they're mentally locked in shield because they don't want to get hit by it then you grab them. Although we have pretty bad throws, this is one of the easiest ways to punish shield. And if you condition them not to be so into using their shield, your aggressive side could probably prove useful I guess by punishing rolls or spot dodges.
There are a few known ways to z-drop the bomb without Zair coming out. You should read through the AT thread http://smashboards.com/threads/trea...esearch-lab-and-at-list.380910/#post-18102830
I was at 20% and got hit by an up smash which took me to 35%, DH was on 37%
Right, well it's just that I can't replicate exactly what happened. It used to be the case a while ago that you could z-drop without Zair out of hitstun, which comes before the tumble animation, but then this was changed so that now you have to wait for tumble now. Are you using a 3ds by any chance in that video? I'm wondering if it was never changed for the 3ds.
I am actually using a 3ds, yeah. Though, I'm on the latest version, and I can't really imagine that it would be any different. I mean, the physics engine is essentially the same, so unless it's some kind of weird bug caused by the processing system, I can't really see why it would be exclusive to the 3ds...
There are a few known differences between the two versions. It wouldn't surprise me if this was another minor difference.
I don't think I'm quite savvy enough to really tell you anything definitive from what I can see in the replay. Either way, that would just make it even less relevant, given how rare 3ds events are. And I assume that this doesn't apply if you're just using the 3ds as a controller for the WiiU version.
If you hit grab on frame 6 (first airborne frame transitioning out of the jump-squat) it'll do a Zairless Z-drop, then frames 7 to 10 will do Zair + z-drops without possibly getting hurt by the explosion, and then from frame 11 it is possible to be hit by the explosion (on frame 11 you have to have your foot positioned directly over the bomb) on your way down. So you were just doing it slightly too late I reckon. You could also try not being directly over the bomb.
The only way I'm aware of that this could happen is if you're hitting the c-stick downwards to throw the bomb or you're tilting the joystick diagonally downwards. I'm guessing it's the later. If you're still getting used to using it, it's possible that you're unconsciously adjusting your grip of the controller when you go to execute it. Just practice it more.
. Alright, thanks a lot! I'll try that out and see.
To be clear, Toon doesn't have any good combo throws, and his follow-ups are mostly nil if your opponent is doing anything to avoid it.
After a shielded bomb, you have many options, many of which include re-catching the bomb, grab to immediate dthrow, or an aerial/tilt to predict a shield drop. Dtilt is very good for providing safe shield pressure. To practice shielded bomb catching, it is best to first get the technique down before anything else. Practicing with a partner is best for this. If a partner is not available, you could potentially use another controller to input shield on another character through your toes. This would probably work best by setting all of the right buttons to shield on a specific control setup.
