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Wario could easly unlock another WarioWare character, that's a pattern too.
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I know I'm a bit late to the party (not visiting that much anymore) but Mic's post made me giggle <3.Correct. Waluigi is a part of Nintendo's history, along with a Coin, and Diskun. Does this mean all 3 are worth being playable characters? No, because they're just very minor parts of Nintendo's history and backstories.
7 years and counting so far, and you can't justify 1 character by anothers inclusion. Waluigi would need to get in on his own merits, and that Waluigi sorely lacks. Your line of reasoning smacks of stupidity.@stryks,uhh it has not been ten years scince waluigis debute to let you know.
Waluigi is liked in many other places, and he is popular. And he will be in, mario had luigi in ssb, so wario should have waluigi in ssbb
Correct. Waluigi is a part of Nintendo's history, along with a Coin, and Diskun. Does this mean all 3 are worth being playable characters? No, because they're just very minor parts of Nintendo's history and backstories.
1. I'd say the coin has had significantly more canon game appearances, importance in the games both canon and spin-off and probably the same potential as Waluigi to have a unique moveset if not greater.1. Waluigi is a character not an object.
2. Who is to judge whether or not their significance in Nintendo History is to allow them passage into Brawl? Let us look at the Ice Climbers. Captain Falcon himself. Ness. How big were these characters before the smash brothers series? Honestly I couldnt have told you who Falcon or Ness were.
This is the best logic I've seen on this thread yet. Honestly, the anti-Waluigi crowd isn't making that good of points, while the pro-Waluigi crowd is! They haven't convinced me he'd be good for Brawl (in other words I'm still neutral), but I just wanted to point that out.You know it was like 10 years before Donkey Kong went from simple arcade game to developing a personality of his own in the DKC series. not mentioning the Donkey Kong Jr game, which established DK as a father. either way the fact that Waluigi has been aroudn so long and NOT appeared in the mainstream Mario and Wario series is a poor argument.
Well could you have thought of one for Dr. Mario, Falco, Jigglypuff, Capt. Falcon, or IC=??? Especially Falco, since he's a clone, but a pretty awsome clone at that, and noone at that time could have thought of a original moveset, so naturally he was made into a clone, and a amazing one at that! Not to mention Doc was the clooniest clone of all, and he was a pretty good character. There=point proven!Originally Posted by X-x-Dyce-x-X
I like how any time someone thinks of a moveset, it usually involves being a clone of Luigi or Wario... That's about as creative as Waluigi in the first place guys.
See, someone's on my side! HEHE, I knew I could find my "Waluigi for Brawl ONLY as a clone for BRAWL!!!, otherwise idc (me) if he's in, or I don't want him in BRAWL!!! as a original (another part of my side)"=yae! Maybe HumanIce and I will outnumber the 50 people posting on here that want Waluigi for Brawl soon...spread our corrupt ways, lol! Soon we will own this thread....okay maybe not!Originally Posted by the super awsome HumanIce waluigi should have the same moves as luigi, only stronger, and faster.. and a little weirder.. that would be so cool..
What about Dr. Mario, huh=??? See, we've had one minor Mario character character who stared in a spin-off, and was a clone, and Waluigi stared in a spin-off, in other words he could be a clone like Dr. Mario. Plus he's been in more games, and spin-offs, so he could be qualified as a clone. And a very neat one at that. (watch people go off on me for liking clones, lol!)Originally Posted by Stryks
Exactly, without considering the lcones who were fillers in melee, so far no character with a minor role has been added in melee (except shiek but she was a transformation), every single character added is either incredibly popular or has had a major role, or both, waluigi doesnt fit none of these bills:
The characters? Maybe not so much, the series? Sure! I'd never heard of Captain Falcon pre-SSB64 but I'd heard of F-Zero. And I had played Ice climbers on the Nes, was an awesome game. The fact is, the characters may not have been well know, but the game was.2. Who is to judge whether or not their significance in Nintendo History is to allow them passage into Brawl? Let us look at the Ice Climbers. Captain Falcon himself. Ness. How big were these characters before the smash brothers series? Honestly I couldnt have told you who Falcon or Ness were.
Well, obviously because we need more characters from the Mario universe, of course...If posible, can ANYONE give a reason why he should be in OTHER than "Wario is in it"?
lol but if they decide to include toad, waluigi, daisy, birdo, etc. then the result won't be that good.Of course the mario series is going to have the most representation. The mario series IS nintendo. If nintendo was a country mario would be it's flag.
He put the [/sarcasm] later on ...Strykes, I'm sure he was being sarcastic.
F-Zero is the biggest futurist racing series I know of, Earth Bound is a instant cult classic with a huge cult following (that I am a part of, in which beating retro hippies, taxis, cars, zombies, and a blue religious extremist cult was never so exciting), and Ice Climber is a very retro game (though no one else likes it but me=???+the IC are the most original characters IMO). G&W is super retro (and is the 2nd most original character IMO), while Pit is the star of the hit classic Kid Icarus (that game owns=o ya!).Wow wlauigi as a clone... yay...
Johnknight did u even read my part of the quotes? clones were added due to lack of time, and were just fillers, and shouldnt be considered cause most of them are minor characters, consider the ones the developers DID work hard on, developing movesets and all that stuff, and not on the clones...
Hell waluigi as a unique character would fine, I hate the guy but if hes in then meh, but as a clone? who would he be a clone of? he doenst have a motorcycle like wario, neither is he fat so forget the wario waft, a clone of luigi? yeah since we've all seen waluigi shoot fireballs >.>
@ Gamefreak:
answering to 2.-:
just because u never heard about them doesnt mean they werent popular, u were what? 7-8 years old when that game was out? I for one HAVEA heard about Fzero, capt. falcon was always my favorite in that series, and no surprise he was added cause he was the more popular one in the game...
Earthboun was freakin huge when it came out, people love taking down hippies and all the wacky enemies from that game, including the starman, also the series was more popular in japan, thus was added in smash 64...
ICs are retro characters, they represent the NES era, guys like GaW, ICs and pit can be added without necesarly being big hits or popular, cause they were part of the old school days, and sakurai stated he loves retros, so expect more in brawl...
"How big were these characters before the smash brothers series?"
Without considering the retros for the reasons above, they were big, not LoZ or mairo big, but they were big none the less, especially Ness, just cause u lack info about a character before apeparing in smash doesnt mean they were never popular...
Geno could make it, Toad serves less importance than Waluigi or Daisy, all Toad ever does is stand there and whine, but at least he pwns at Mario Kart. Bowser Jr. could be a awsome character, and Shadow Mario would be a waste of time, PERIOD! As much as someone can complain about Waluigi, I can complain about Shadow Mario even more.Geno, toad, bowser jr/shadow mario are all more popular and unique, besides who says mario series needs more characters?? the mario series has more characters than the rest of the series!!
Look back to the earlier pages, there's thousands of reasons why Waluigi shouldn't be included posted by the anti-Waluigi crowd which rips to shreds any poor reasons why people have said he should be included.This is the best logic I've seen on this thread yet. Honestly, the anti-Waluigi crowd isn't making that good of points, while the pro-Waluigi crowd is! They haven't convinced me he'd be good for Brawl (in other words I'm still neutral), but I just wanted to point that out.
I wasn't exactly being serious, although you can't argue with the fact that the coin is more important in the Mario franchise than Waluigi will ever be. The fact that I was replying to the argument that he should be in because there's a trophy of him in Melee means that my answer doesn't need to be a serious one, because the original point couldn't have been serious in the first place. Still waiting for the first competant point on why he would be a good inclusion.1.I want to play as a castle and the Master Sword as well as as a coin, but hey all those items have 0% chance of being a Playable Characters. Might I suggest you use the Birdo, Bowser Jr, Baby Bowser, and Daisy arguement, and how they are more important then Waluigi in the "real" Mario games.
If posible, can ANYONE give a reason why he should be in OTHER than "Wario is in it"?
Mario got luigi in ssb so wario gets waluigi on ssbb
It wouldnt feel right if you had 3 of 4 caped peeps
I am sure the dude who crerated mario wants all of them in
He does differ from wario,he is the **** mean type,wheil wario is the greedy type
He has a history with the wrecking crew= he has some type of background
Any ties are desparate attempts at making the best of a bad situation in regards of where the hell Waluigi actually fits in to anything, if at all.WC is an old game in which Mario starred in some Donkey-Kong-esque knockoff against "Foreman Spike" whose character was later used as a kind of base/starting point for Wario as far as we know. In WC you could also play as Luigi (in 2 player only I think) and for some unknown reason Luigi came in purple dungarees. Waluigi never appeared in WC, only purple Luigi (which is technically what Waluigi is being just a lankier purple Luigi). Since there was a purple Luigi in WC and the fact that FS could be argued ais the very beginnings of Wario, Nintendo's obviously played into the fanservice with giving links of Waluigi to WC because of it due to Waluigi being Wario's brother and all. Waluigi was never part of WC as neither was Wario.
If posible, can ANYONE give a reason why he should be in OTHER than "Wario is in it"?
1.- Like Vali said, luigi is far more important and has closer ties to mario than waluigi to wario, and u make little sence, mario and luigi are in the mario series, and waluigi is in the Wario/warioware series (note the W logo) if waluigi is added cause wario is added, it wouldnt make sense cause he has the WW look and last time I check waluigi has never apepared in a WW game, thus he would be added in the Mario series, and there are way better candidates...1.-Mario got luigi in ssb so wario gets waluigi on ssbb
2.- It wouldnt feel right if you had 3 of 4 caped peeps
3.- I am sure the dude who crerated mario wants all of them in
4.- He does differ from wario,he is the **** mean type,wheil wario is the greedy type
5.- He has a history with the wrecking crew= he has some type of background
2.- Wrong again, if Wario were part of the mario series, then yeah I guess waluigi could get in, but wario is part of his own series, and has little to no relantionship to mario cause hes using the WW look, and not the traditional plumber look, thus if waluigi was added hed be part of the mario series, and without wario it wouldnt make sense, and he cant be added in the wario series cause he hasnt apepared in a WW game...
3.- Wrong:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Tennis_64
U can see that camelot made mario tennis 64, the game waluigi 1st appeared in, so THEY were the ones that created Waluigi, obcourse waluigi is still part of nintendo, but Miyamoto didnt create Waluigi, and I doubt he likes the guy as much as HIS creations...
4.- OMG HES MEAN!!1! WALIUGI FRO BRWAL!!1!1one
Really thats a lame excuse to be added...
5.- Read valis post
What I find funny is that:
and the 1st 3 of ur answers are indeed "Because wario is in it, waluigi should be in" hahahahaIf posible, can ANYONE give a reason why he should be in OTHER than "Wario is in it"?
Johnknight: Do we REALLY want waluigi being a clone of luigi, who is ALREADY a luigify clone of mario?? the answer: HELL NO
and Topad is on the top 5 of sakurais list, that alone makes him a better cnadidate than waluig who DOESNT appear on the list...
Vali you, along with Stryks, Dyce, and Mic 128 made good points, pretty much no one else made a good point recently on the anti-Waluigi crowd, or at least ones that I can remeber. There were generally good points by Red Maniac and 1 or 2 other pro-Waluigi people, in which I thought were pretty good. Though some of the pro-Waluigi points (if not most) seem somewat desperate IMO.Look back to the earlier pages, there's thousands of reasons why Waluigi shouldn't be included posted by the anti-Waluigi crowd which rips to shreds any poor reasons why people have said he should be included.
The coin is to Mario as the sword is to Zelda. No one should be in JUST because they were a trophy, but it certainly does help their chances (the more logical choices at least). Pit and Meta Knight are obvious examples of this, and Diddy Kong, Ridley, and Samurai Goroh will be further examples of this. In othere words, it doesn't help any of the Pokemon or basic enemies from gib series, but the more reconizable characters, though not that much.I wasn't exactly being serious, although you can't argue with the fact that the coin is more important in the Mario franchise than Waluigi will ever be. The fact that I was replying to the argument that he should be in because there's a trophy of him in Melee means that my answer doesn't need to be a serious one, because the original point couldn't have been serious in the first place. Still waiting for the first competant point on why he would be a good inclusion.
Seriously, this is one of the better anti-Waluigi points I have seen, though I'm positive Shigeru Miyamoto (the guy who basically invented all but 9 or so of the characters in Melee) will be making Brawl, since he helped A LOT with SSB64 and SSBM (he actually made a few of the characters=3 in SSB64, more in Melee but I don't know the number off the top of my head).I'm not sure if "the dude who crerated Mario" *Inner sigh* is developing Brawl, or if he gives a flying monkey about Waluigi (evident of a lack of Waluigi roles in any canon games). And by "all of them in" are you talking about every single person in the Mario franchise?