The Official Waluigi Thread

[Muncle Eat]

I had a big brain wave last night, guys. A character idea. Obviously, this character wouldn't be in brawl because she isn't in any games - yet.

It's Wapeach, the evil version of Peach! What do you guys think? Awesome, huh? No?

 

[FiErCe_oNi]

lol... OMG ITS WARIOS SISTER! SHE HAS TO GET IN!

 

[BIRDMAN22]

The word Waluigi in my mind is synonymous with "unoriginal."
"I know, let's make an evil Luigi! We'll call him... Waluigi!"
"That's brilliant! It's not completely random and that's not a stupid name!"

It's the same thing as Wario. Both their names come from the same concept. The pokemon in your pick isn't even original, it has 3 diffeent variations and all their names start with the same first 2 syllables.
Besides, when has 100% originality been a factor in smash. How many from the current roster (including the confirmed for brawl) are completely original.

I don't know where your opinions spawned from, but don't think that just because you think them that it makes them true.

Dosen't this apply to all of us. You think he's one of the worst suggestions, some say he would be a waste of time, some say he would be great in brawl, and some think he's the best Mario character. All are opinions that aren't necessarily true.

Wrong.

Waluigi's chances are average and he doesn't look cool, I hope he's not in.

At least you finally admit that he has a chance of being in brawl

nearly every pokemon would be a better character than waluigi. at least they are unique. auctually every humanoid pokemon would be a better character than waluigi. who wouldnt? ludicolo would be better if you ask me.

Really? Nearly all pokemon are unique? Almost half are "bigger, stronger" versions of another pokemon. Many share half a name with another pokemon. Many share the same attacks. All this doesn't scream unique. There might be a total of 50 pokemon that are actually unique (not including attacks) and considering the amount of pokemon that are out there, that's actually a sad number.

On the plus side: Waluigi's name has been explained, a few unique movesets have been made that would keep the feel of the games he's been in yet make him different from any mario character, reason's for his addition have been made, and many would like to see him included.

On the flip side: Reason have been given to keep him excluded and many don't want him included.

The only good reason to exclude him is that he hasn't appeared in a platformer which decreases his level of importance, even I can admit that. That's obviously the main reason for the haters because if he had one game, we wouldn't have had a thread this long. Every other anti-waluigi arguement seems to come from that. Yet, I still don't think that's a good enough reason to keep him out. It doesn't prove that nintendo doesn't like him (as some have said) because his bio states that he was made for multiplayer games. Will the ever expand on him, who knows. I personally hope the do but that main point is that he was made for multiplayer games. As of right now, that's his purpose. Besides, I don't remember the developers saying that a character has to be on a platformer in order to be in brawl. If someone can provide a link to where they say that, then I will agree that he has little chance. Until then some of you should find another arguement.

 

[GreenKirby]

Also, Luigi was just simply there for a Player 2 to the early Mario games. Waluigi's time will probably come.

And if SSBB is going for unqiueness then I guess 3 for the 4 swordsmen should leave and Pit and MetaKnight should have never came.

And to anyone who say Waluigi has no character. He has more character than most of his comrades.

 

[Fox_Rocks]

And to anyone who say Waluigi has no character. He has more character than most of his comrades.

To go along with this, Waluigi probably has the best character of any of the others. Mario is brave and heroic, a classic hero. Wario is mean and greedy, a generic villain. Luigi is easilly scared and smart(er), kind of generic.
Waluigi, however, is mischievous and mysterious, pretty original (compared to everybody else).

Edit: Oh, and also, all characters are fillers. they were all made to "fill" the position of hero, villain, NPC, etc.

 

[FlipTroopa]

Waluigi wasn't made to be the "EVIL CLONE OF LUIGI LOL," he was made to be Wario's doubles partner. Camelot had the idea to bring back Birdo, Baby Mario, Daisy, DK Jr., blah blah blah... for the other characters in Mario Tennis, but they had no clue who Wario should team with (apparently missing the fact that *ahem* there WAS Captain Syrup). So they contacted Miyamoto with a design for a partner, and Miyamoto loved it. It was only after the fact they decided he should be a rival for Luigi, hence naming him Waruigi -> Waluigi. Warui is already Japanese for "bad man" or something like that, so it was just the next logical step to go "oh, hey... he can be an evil Luigi. Just add an ending."

Irregardless, Waluigi is still coming out as his own character. I don't know entirely if he's worthy of being in a Smash Bros. game just yet, but he is on the up and up.

Pokemon are all unique... wtf are you talking about? There's over 400 of them, all different from the last in many, many ways.

Finally, and LOL SPOILERS ABOUT EVIL PEACH:

Spoiler

There already IS an Evil Peach. Beat Paper Mario 2; Peach becomes possessed and turns into Shadow Peach. It's basically Peach in goth garb with a crazy vampire collar and fangs.

 

[McFox]

Mario is brave and heroic, a classic hero. Wario is mean and greedy, a generic villain. Luigi is easilly scared and smart(er), kind of generic. Waluigi, however, is mischievous and mysterious, pretty original (compared to everybody else).

I love fictional rules about how Waluigi is better than everyone. They're kind of like Swiss cheese: from where I'm sitting, I can see the hundreds of holes that they're riddled with. But the person eating it doesn't really care, and keeps telling me that it's "still the best cheese." Sure, maybe to your tastebuds, but trying to give a reason why is pretty absurd.[/alsoappliestobirdman]

 

[lanky_gunner]

well, some pokemon ideas i do not find unique. i find it useless that game freak gave some pokemon a pre-evolutions to a few of the pokemon that i felt never needed another evolution (pichu should never of been made and pichu should never of been in ssbm). but that is one of nintendo's popular franchises, and i am not afraid to admit that i love the pokemon series, and i feel that there is going to be a lot of representation from the pokemon, mario, and zelda series.

McFox, i do agree with you. I beleive that waluigi is not the best mario character. Mario and Luigi are far better characters and luckily are already in smash. but why is it that the character hs to fit in a certain boundry to be in smash ie. has to be original and has to have appeared in his own game. smash isn't about that. it is about a bunch of people that end up together to pound the living crap out of each other for our enjoyment. there are better characters than waluigi, that is why he is so low on my wishlist. but waluigi does have a pretty good chance of being in, and i beleive sakurai will make an excellent character out of waluigi.

 

[GreenKirby]

And also, if we go by oringinality and if they'd starred in their own game, half of the roster will wiped off.

 

[icymatt]

And if SSBB is going for unqiueness then I guess 3 for the 4 swordsmen should leave and Pit and MetaKnight should have never came.

Yes, because they all play exactly the same

And yes, because Pit and Meta-Knight had absolutely no reason to be in Smash Bros., they're only, you know, one of the biggest cult heroes in gaming history and one of the major characters in Nintendo's elite pantheon.

You're sure making a good point for Waluigi. Oh wait...no you aren't.

Face the facts: Waluigi is a lesser character, and there are far better choices they can and will make.

 

[primusfan]

Actually, as much as I don't want him in, he does have a strong chance. Face it, from the time he was first introduced, he's been in many Mario spin-offs. Not all, but many of them.

Mario Tennis
Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour
Mario Power Tennis
Super Mario Strikers
most of the newer Mario Party games
Mario Hoops: 3 on 3

So unfortunately, he has a decent chance of being Brawl.

 

[DokturSea]

At least you finally admit that he has a chance of being in brawl

I think we all agree that Waluigi has a chance, we're just saying that we don't like him, which kind of makes your arguing our opinions a little stupid. We're not saying he WON'T get in. We're saying he SHOULDN'T.

And those statements you debated weren't directed at you. They were directly aimed at Crom and what he had said.

 

[McFox]

I still don't think he has much of a chance. No Waluigi fan ever actually answered my original argument, which is a good one which continues to stand:

Answer me this, Waluigi fans: If it's so important that Waluigi appears with Wario in every game that he appears in, why hasn't Waluigi appeared in the Warioware series? I mean, that's a MUCH easier appearance in Smash, because Wario is totally random and stupid (in a good way). Just make him a Warioware character and give him some random minigames, and BAM, he's got instant credibility.

If Waluigi was actually as important of a character as you people are claiming, he would have appeared in Warioware, at the very least.

 

[BIRDMAN22]

I think we all agree that Waluigi has a chance, we're just saying that we don't like him, which kind of makes your arguing our opinions a little stupid. We're not saying he WON'T get in. We're saying he SHOULDN'T.

Actually, if you go back and read through this thread you will see that many of you have said " he's a pointless filler and he WON'T get in". I haven't been arguing his chances (even I said he wasn't high priorty), I've mainly been arguing reasons that he should get in.
Also, this is a debate forum. Every suggestion has opposition as should be expected. The only thing stupid (and sad) is when people try to make someone else look bad and end up doing the same thing. For example:

And those statements you debated weren't directed at you. They were directly aimed at Crom and what he had said.

What's your point. My last comment wasn't directed at you but......here we are.

To Mcfox: I actually said that it applies to me just like it applies to you and everyone else. Opinions are personal. They belong to individuals. Me saying he should be included means as much to you as you saying he shouldn't be included means to me. Why some of us think our opinions are unflawed and 100% correct is beyond me.

 

[Crom]

I never said Waluigi should appear in every game Wario is in, and I dont claim he is important at all. I just like his style, appearance, voice, and personality better than the rest of the mario cast. If you base your judgement off of those things instead of how many games he stars in, I dont think you will hate him as much (maybe).

But anyways, I think he has a chance to get into smash because, like birdman said above, the entire purpose of this character being created was to be in multiplayer games. Smash is a multiplayer game.

 

[NukeA6]

Actually, as much as I don't want him in, he does have a strong chance. Face it, from the time he was first introduced, he's been in many Mario spin-offs. Not all, but many of them.

Mario Tennis
Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour
Mario Power Tennis
Super Mario Strikers
most of the newer Mario Party games
Mario Hoops: 3 on 3

So unfortunately, he has a decent chance of being Brawl.

He only appeared in spin-offs while every Mario character in SSBM appeared in true Mario games. Besides seeing how people reacted to Wario in the trailer what makes you think they'll care about Waluigi?

At least Daisy appeared in Super Mario Land 1 and 2.

 

[BIRDMAN22]

You said:

Answer me this, Waluigi fans: If it's so important that Waluigi appears with Wario in every game they appear in, why hasn't Waluigi appeared in the Warioware series? I mean, that's a MUCH easier appearance in Smash, because Wario is totally random and stupid (in a good way). Just make him a Warioware character and give him some random minigames, and BAM, he's got instant credibility.

Then, on the next page, I said:

I'll take a shot by saying that warioware is not waluigi's element. Wario's main focus is his own personal greedy, that's what makes warioware a perfect fit for him. Waluigi is not driven by greed. He is driven by a need to cause mischieve as well as an unsatisfying dislike for luigi. Partners or not that may not be a good fit for him so he might of opted not to help.
I do agree that wario doesn't necessarily need a "partner" in smash yet I don't really have anything against it, even if it's a warioware character. I still see waluigi in brawl though

Yet, even I don't like my previous response so I will say this:

Every character in the video game world is made for a specific reason. Some to be heroes, some to be villians, some to sell maps, and some to just be there along the way. As stated by a few (and his bio) Waluigi was created to be in multiplayer games as well as to be Luigi's rival, as well as to be Wario's brother. Have they expanded on all these.....no. The only thing they have continued to show is that he was made for multiplayer games. Hate it as much as you want but so far it's true. Does that guarantee a spot in brawl? No, but it doesn't look bad either.

 

[primusfan]

He only appeared in spin-offs while every Mario character in SSBM appeared in true Mario games. Besides seeing how people reacted to Wario in the trailer what makes you think they'll care about Waluigi?

At least Daisy appeared in Super Mario Land 1 and 2.

I have a feeling he'll be put in because obviously, Nintendo sees something in him. To almost everyone else, he's just a filler which is exactly what he is. He is a filler for multiplayer games and everybody knows the Smash series is multiplayer; why wouldn't they put him in. Yes, he sucks. But if Nintendos used him for this many games, why wouldn't he have a chance for Brawl?

 

[McFox]

*EDIT* This was a reply to BIRDMAN's post, although it completely applies to primus as well.

You're at least partially wrong there. Waluigi was not made for "multiplayer games." Waluigi was actually created for "MARIO multiplayer games." There is a huge distinction there. The Smash Brothers series is NOT a typical Mario sports games. Those games are licensed to various other companies (like Next Level, Camelot, etc.) and are made so that the Mario characters (including Waluigi in this context) can appear in sports titles because Nintendo knows they will sell.

However, the Smash Brothers series is a very different beast altogether. It was created by a specific person, and he is the director. He oversees all aspects of the game, and in fact, Nintendo wouldn't be doing the sequel without him. Or at least, they wouldn't be doing Brawl as it will come to be known.

If Nintendo had gone ahead making the sequel to Melee without Masahiro Sakurai, either by licensing it to one of their dependable companies, or by doing the work internally, I'd say that yes, Waluigi would have a very good chance at being in the game. However, this is not your average series, as CLEARLY defined by Sakurai himself. He takes a lot of pride in his role as the series' head (enough so to abandon other, third party ventures and return to Nintendo just so he could do it), and he (along with several others) will craft Brawl to be exactly the game that he thinks it should be. He has mentioned that this time, Nintendo is giving him the time and the money he needs to do this sequel right. A deeper and more involved 1player experience is promised, and the addition of the online poll indicates that they are listening to fans' input and really giving this game their all.

My point is that Waluigi has not yet achieved the clout to appear in a game as special as Brawl. Does he have the potential to appear in a Smash Brothers game? Sure. I wouldn't play as him, and would likely spend most of my time beating on him, but I wouldn't oppose him in some future Smash game (either a DS game, or the sequel following Brawl), assuming of course that by then he'll have done something that people care about.

But right now, Waluigi hasn't done anything to warrant an inclusion in Brawl. Brawl is a very special series, and is being hand-crafted to be potentially one of Nintendo's best games ever made. Right now, Waluigi's resume includes appearances playing tennis, golfing, and dancing.

Can he eventually be made into a better character worthy of being in a Smash game? Yes. Has he reached that level yet? Absolutely not.

I would say that it does look pretty bad for Waluigi.

Also, I just checked, and Waluigi wasn't even mentioned in the poll Sakurai held.

 

[BIRDMAN22]

A little off topic:
McFox: This I like. That is a very good explanation. I actually can't dispute most of that. That was very well written and I have +repped you for it (if you care).

On topic: Now considering what you just said about (about nintendo not really working on brawl, at all, themselves) I now agree that his chances are lower than i previously thought. I will still say that I believe he could bring another style of uniqueness to smash (in terms of Sinistar moveset) and I still like the character. I think he has the possibility of not only being a good character, in terms of moves, but he would also make for a few good event matches.

No arguement, just a question: Is his party game status something that Sakurai said he disliked or something we here dislike?

 

[DokturSea]

What's your point. My last comment wasn't directed at you but......here we are.

I said that because they were direct attacks on Crom and were kinda personal to what he posted.

 

[BIRDMAN22]

I said that because they were direct attacks on Crom and were kinda personal to what he posted.

Oh, my mistake

 

[McFox]

No arguement, just a question: Is his party game status something that Sakurai said he disliked or something we here dislike?

This status is completely based on fan reactions that I have seen. I have never seen Sakurai comment on Waluigi for any reason, although like I said, Sakurai didn't even add him to the poll results.

 

[Exodecai101]

Wasn't Sakurai's Poll for Suggested characters though, and also another character not to be mentioned on that poll was Sonic(which i found quite strange unless he's confirmed for the game or not going to be considered at all) the same can probably be said for waluigi too

 

[Iggy K]

Wasn't Sakurai's Poll for Suggested characters though, and also another character not to be mentioned on that poll was Sonic(which i found quite strange unless he's confirmed for the game or not going to be considered at all) the same can probably be said for waluigi too

In case you didn't notice, there are some big differences between Sonic and Waluigi. Sonic is an extremley popular, has his own series, everyone has wanted do see Mario vs Sonic and with the announcment 3rd party characters can get in Brawl, everyone wants Sonic. So no, the same can't be said for Waluigi.

 

[GenG]

Right now I'm seeing a Luigi's alternate outfit in black and purple for everyone's joy...

No, seriously. If Waluigi had more predominance beyond Mario sports and party games he could have a chance. I'd like to make a quick review on the main used reasons to support Waluigi in Brawl:

1. Waluigi could represent the Mario spinoffs titles, like Party and Sports.

I doubt it. This is because Mario spinoffs titles are considered by Nintendo as Mario games, which are being repped by Mario and his crew as Mario characters.

2. But there is no actual reference to these titles in terms of attacks and stages.

Peach took the "character made from holy scratch", using sport gimmicks and such borrowed moves from diverse Mario titles to complete her moveset (since Peach doesn't has too many fighting references). It would be somewhat stupid to have another sport based character. And no, it isn't the same as having 5 swordmen since there are a lot of swords and styles, but sports don't vary. Mario Sport games are Mario games, which are already represented in many ways.

3. He could be a Wario partner.

A character shouldn't be added for supporting or being an accesory for another character. All supporters in Melee were there by their own merits: Popularity, fit-ability, importance to the franchise they are representing. This applies to most characters, with the exception of some clones (Doctor Mario, Pichu, Young Link and Roy). Waluigi isn't a vital part to his franchise (Mario series) as Metaknight is to Kirby or Zelda is to Zelda (lol). The same with Wario in Melee.
Most Mario secondary characters, like Yoshi or DK are representing their own games. What would Waluigi represent? Wario is going Ware, so he prescinds Waluigi. Waluigi wouldn't fit with the Mario classic characters (Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser), and he doesn't own a franchise.
By the same arguments, Birdo has appeared in more games that Waluigi, should she be in Brawl then? I think not, Birdo's appareances doesn't mean that much to the Mario series beyond the sport games, Nintendo's story and, ultimately, story of gaming. The same could be said about Daisy and Toad.
Right now, Waluigi doesn't has the merits to enter the Brawl. He started as a partner for Wario, and he may have more important games in the future as Tingle did.

4. But, Luigi is a filler too. What's so different?

Yes, but Luigi is almost that popular as Mario. Luigi has been in any Mario game, including spinoffs, since Mario Bros (1985). He has appeared in all games that made Mario famous (excluding Mario 64 and Sunshine, the last one being fair because he had his own game by then), and he became a recognisable figure by all gamers who owned a Mario game. Nintendo gave him different attributes and personality, and he became stablished. Waluigi is nothing compared to Luigi in terms of popularity, recognition and charisma.

4. Waluigi has more personality that many characters, like Pit, Ice Climbers and a black-beeping 2D figure.

Sure, but characters aren't chosen in Smash based solely on how good or developed is their personality. We would see all Fire Emblem characters in story in Smash then.
More than personality, is about looks, appealing, popularity, fighting potential and importance to their franchises and Nintendo's story, because this game is a big party celebrating that story, characters, games, creators and fans taking part on it. That's like G&W, IC and Pit are so great, because they are raw nostalgia revived and all retro gamers recognise them. Waluigi also lacks that: Nostalgia and story.

5. Waluigi is more recognisable and popular than most characters suggested in these forums.

Sure, Waluigi is more popular than most characters since he appears in some of the best selling titles nowadays, but then, that doesn't mean much. Birdo, Toads, Bowser Jr... a wide cast of Mario characters that are more popular that Waluigi, yet their chances are very low.
And, don't try to compare the popularity of a legend with Waluigi's, cause the first ones have inherent nostalgia and are unforgettable. Like Pit and any other retro character. He is popular among Nintendo fans, and the game is made for Nintendo fans. So, after waiting for years, they reappear.
Most characters aren't suggested by how cool they are (sometimes), but what mean to the suggesters. Nostalgia is the key here. I almost cried when I saw Pit. Waluigi won't likely achieve that, while retro-obscure characters yes.

6. Waluigi is very popular.

Well, Waluigi is indeed popular, but he hasn't a rabid or strong fanbase. By strong I mean something like "OMG, Waluigi, you are DA MAN! W00t!" than "Meh, I know Waluigi. He appears in every game I buy though". Not to the extent of Wario, and yet, Wario is considered an underdog character. I love Wario, so don't look at me. He is so **** freak, japanese-humoresque like.

I think this cover most points. I'm no hater, only realistic. If Brawl mood keeps the same as Melee (balance, compact roster packed with style and glamour, no minor characters except some clones), it's definite that Waluigi won't appear.

 

[Crom]

Well, Waluigi is indeed popular, but he hasn't a rabid or strong fanbase. By strong I mean something like "OMG, Waluigi, you are DA MAN! W00t!"

Hahaha, thats what my friends sound like when we take a break from smash and play some strikers. I guess thats why I started liking Waluigi.

Also, McFox, good post. I'll agree with you now that Waluigi has lower chance of getting in than we originaly thought, but, I still thing he would be a good addition to Brawl.

 

[xianfeng]

fierce_oni, inslting ppl is rly dum when u type like a 3 years old

And xianfeng, characters aren't picked to represent anything in the sense that you're trying to convey that they are. Waluigi for party games, Daisy for sports, Pikachu for Pokemon Red and Blue, Jigglypuff for Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire, Pichu for Gold and Silver, Mewtwo for FireRed and LeafGreen, Ganondorf for Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker, Zelda for Zelda 1 and 2, Link for Link's Awakening and Minish Cap? It's all kind of silly.

You are right about one thing. If Waluigi gets in, Daisy will probably get in too, because they have the same level of importance, IE none.

I know things don't need to be represented but it's nice to see them repped any way, not that I'm defending waluigi.

Waluigi isn't popular until his fans are on the level of FF fanboys or even KH fanboys.

 

[NukeA6]

I have a feeling he'll be put in because obviously, Nintendo sees something in him. To almost everyone else, he's just a filler which is exactly what he is. He is a filler for multiplayer games and everybody knows the Smash series is multiplayer; why wouldn't they put him in. Yes, he sucks. But if Nintendos used him for this many games, why wouldn't he have a chance for Brawl?

You do know Smash Bros is for important/major Nintendo characters? Waluigi doesn't fit with that crowd.

Smash Bros is not another Mario spin-off game otherwise Koopa Troopa would've been in already.

 

[lanky_gunner]

lol good point. but to those waluigi haters. you say a lot of characters are favored over waluigi. so, do you favor characters like koopa troopa or like like, who are generic enemies, and who we have no idea what they could do in brawl, over waluigi? you know as much as anyone else that waluigi (and daisy, since she isn't that favored either) can have a possible moveset.

 

[FlipTroopa]

Before anyone gets the wrong idea, I'm not a Waluigi supporter. I am a fan of him; I love playing as him in Tennis and Party just to piss people off, definitely. But I would hate for him to appear in Brawl. What I was simply doing was trying to show that there is some basis for him being included, if he ever were.

But McFox's point made me remember something, which we all take lightly, and that is he really has never appeared in a full Mario title. Now this doesn't necessarily trash him completely, but it does hold against him the fact that he is "Wario's partner." Not only has he not appeared in Wario Ware, but he has never even been mentioned in Wario Land (why do you guys keep forgetting these games? It makes me wanna cry ). Granted the Wario Land/Ware/Mario spinoff titles are all made by different developers, but it shows how much respect the character gets by 2nd and 3rd parties. Ironically enough, Miyamoto loves Waluigi, and Camelot always focuses on him in their own titles, but it would seem that the team behind the true-blue Wario games doesn't care for him in the least, and that counts as a huge mark against his inclusion.

 

[icymatt]

lol good point. but to those waluigi haters. you say a lot of characters are favored over waluigi. so, do you favor characters like koopa troopa or like like, who are generic enemies, and who we have no idea what they could do in brawl, over waluigi?

I'm not a Waluigi hater, but I'll answer anyway.

No. I do not want generic enemies in Smash Bros, and would prefer Waluigi over them. HOWEVER, it is not a particularly worthwhile point, as just because there are characters worse than Waluigi does not make Waluigi any better.

 

[mood4food77]

i can't see waluigi's moveset, i can barely sees wario, but he'd probably show some resemblence to wario though, but i could care less if he was in it or not, another character for us to use, i just hope no one is taken out

 

[primusfan]

It's already rumored that the Ice Climbers are out. I hope they arent but if they are, lets replace them with somebody good, not Waluigi.

 

[McFox]

Ice Climbers aren't out. That's not a "rumor," it's a "complete lie."

 

[primusfan]

Oh, I read on Wikipedia about that.

 

[xianfeng]

lol good point. but to those waluigi haters. you say a lot of characters are favored over waluigi. so, do you favor characters like koopa troopa or like like, who are generic enemies, and who we have no idea what they could do in brawl, over waluigi? you know as much as anyone else that waluigi (and daisy, since she isn't that favored either) can have a possible moveset.

I would prefer a Koopa Troopa or Paratroopa over Waluigi at least they have some known abilities shell smash, shell spin etc. as demonstrated by the Koopas in Paper Mario and Paper Mario 2. Like Like no they don't have arms or legs. Waluigi can't even hold a candle to a Koopa.

 

[lanky_gunner]

yet of all we know about koopas, they barely have anything to consider a moveset. all we know is that they have a shell spin, and that is about it. at least waluigi has more to his name than a koopa, but that may be my opinion.

 

[xianfeng]

Not really Koopas are well known by modern and retro gamers they have wings for a recovery (para) shell spin, shell smash etc. play Paper Mario they have a lot more than Waluigi.

 

[NukeA6]

Oh, I read on Wikipedia about that.

Info about upcoming games on that site is unreliable (unless it's been proven by other sites).