The Official Thread For the Sal Romano/Gematsu Leak

[Swamp Sensei]

Just wanted to make sure you knew I'm not going off topic as the leak brings up the Mother characters.

It was off topic.

Things were shifting to "Lucas should make the cut" as opposed to the leak itself.

Yes President Ivyboma.

I surely do hope there is another Gematsu leak because they've been pretty reliable so far.

I doubt we're getting anything. We would have gotten it at E3.

Going to a larger media site like IGN or Gamestop gets more traffic so Nintendo would be more wary of leaks passing through IGN.

Plus Nintendo seems to really like IGN/Gamestop (since whenever a game does well, it involves advertising it with a quote from their review on the eShop).

I get that, but Gematsu?

It's horribly obscure. I guess I'm asking why did the leaker go to Gematsu and not some other place that is equally or more obscure?

 

[DakotaBonez]

Sal, are you sure it was Chrom!?! Are you sure it didn't say Blue Haired Swordsman!?! Is it possible that it was Takamaru!?!

Meh, a man can dream...

Honestly... at this point I hope Ness gets the boot over Lucas. Lucas is a far more developed and interesting character. And honestly, Ness has been on the chopping block for two games straight, and he was at least considered for the chopping block in this one as well based on what we know already.

By the way, "Lucas likely to get the cut" might actually mean the opposite of what everyone things. Think about it this way: "Lucas is likely to make the cut." It'd be different if it say "Lucas is likely to get cut" but that "the" in there throws the entire statement off.

It might mean that Lucas is planned to come back instead of Ness like everyone seems to think.

I never understood the appeal of Lucas because I have yet to play Mother 3, although I know how easy it is to get attached to RPG characters. But I first saw him in brawl, in that cutscene where he abandoned Ness. That was my first impression of him and I havent been able to shake it off, just seeing Lucas in Mother 3 turns me away from even wanting to play it. In fact, I've only played as him in Brawl a total of 3 times. Even though his moveset is way cooler than Ness' I didn't want to play as the traitor, which is weird because I love maining villains in games (Ganon in Smash or Asteroth in SoulCal or Marduk in Tekken.) But someone who leaves their friend to die?!?

Sorry for getting off topic.

 

[The Light Music Club]

It was off topic.

Things were shifting to "Lucas should make the cut" as opposed to the leak itself.


I doubt we're getting anything. We would have gotten it at E3.



I get that, but Gematsu?

It's horribly obscure. I guess I'm asking why did the leaker go to Gematsu and not some other place that is equally or more obscure?

Agreed, I hadn't heard of Gematsu until earlier this year because of the leak.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Sal, are you sure it was Chrom!?! Are you sure it didn't say Blue Haired Swordsman!?! Is it possible that it was Takamaru!?!

Meh, a man can dream...

Turns out it's Lucina.

 

[Ryuutakeshi]

The other piece of info I don't think is correct is Chrom. I think we could get any Fire Emblem character because just like with Pokemon X and Y when development started they had no idea on what Awakening was going to do for the franchise, or who would be popular, and they would have to go with the character designs again. I'm thinking if the leak is real, it would be "Fire Emblem Character" not Chrom and he just slid that idea in there himself since to many it seems like the obvious pick.

Except Awakening was out in Japan in 2012, a full year before X and Y, and Chrom is the main lord of the game. Smash has always used the main lords. I'd be shocked if it WASN'T chrom.

 

[BlueberrySyrup]

I never understood the appeal of Lucas because I have yet to play Mother 3, although I know how easy it is to get attached to RPG characters. But I first saw him in brawl, in that cutscene where he abandoned Ness. That was my first impression of him and I havent been able to shake it off, just seeing Lucas in Mother 3 turns me away from even wanting to play it. In fact, I've only played as him in Brawl a total of 3 times. Even though his moveset is way cooler than Ness' I didn't want to play as the traitor, which is weird because I love maining villains in games (Ganon in Smash or Asteroth in SoulCal or Marduk in Tekken.) But someone who leaves their friend to die?!?

Sorry for getting off topic.[/quote]

Lucas Characterization In Spoiler, personally why I played him and don't want him to be cut.

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Basically Lucas to me was a boy who had to grow up rapidly, he was a coward at first, but his Mother got killed before him and his twin brother went missing, as well as his father abandoning him, he basically grows up from being a coward into someone extremely courageous. He did the same thing in Brawl, became more brave as time went on. To me, that's the strongest somebody could be, he endures so much hardship and grows up where everything around him is changing, eventually getting the courage to save the world.

As to the Chorus Kids, what would they do? It'd be weird having 3 teamates to control.

 

[Sahfarry]

You can't really judge how much he represented Mother without playing the game in my opinion.

I'll say it again, I don't care about how the char represents the series, but how important and/or relevant the series is. F-Zero has more games. Then again, F-Zero has had more games than Star Fox...

I thought this was strange aswell, but it could be because we already have Little Mac, so we don't need another punching character?

But as you can see from Pac-Man, he doesn't always use character specific movesets. Pac-Man uses moves from pretty much ALL of Namco. And I feel like Chorus Men will be the same, using moves representing all of Rhythm Heaven, not just Glee Club / Night Walk / Mash in Fever moves. And since RH has MANY minigames, there are TONS of potential moves for him.

Pac-Man isn't exactly the best example because he's really the ambassador for Namco at this point . Ness works better.

Either way, I know what you're saying. I'm sure he could work, but I'm just 'eh' on the characters. Maybe I just feel like they need a more iconic character... idk. The series needs to be built on first before it can pique my interest.

 

[BombKirby]

hat was my first impression of him and I havent been able to shake it off, just seeing Lucas in Mother 3 turns me away from even wanting to play it.
Sorry for getting off topic.

That was just character development at play. He starts off weak and scared and then as the SSE goes on he gets braver and more independant after hanging out with his mentor Pokemon Trainer. He even steps up to protect someone at one point. Can't remember who. It's unfair for you to not like him because of the first scene where hes a coward since that's just normal storytelling. A story would be silly if the character started off as a fearless badass and ended it as a fearless badass. They gotta work their way up there.

Agreed, I hadn't heard of Gematsu until earlier this year because of the leak.

Maybe its a ploy to give them some attention and traffic? Or a deal? Something. This leak probably gave them a ton of views and visitors at their site.

Pac-Man isn't exactly the best example because he's really the ambassador for Namco at this point . Ness works better.

Game & Watch. All of his moves reference one entire Game & Watch game instead of all representing ONE of the G&W games.

 

[BlueberrySyrup]

I'll say it again, I don't care about how the char represents the series, but how important and/or relevant the series is. F-Zero has more games. Then again, F-Zero has had more games than Star Fox...

F-Zero is like completely dead though and hasn't had any love from Nintendo.
Mother isn't irrelevant with all the new things happening around it.

Kinda why I think the leak is only partially true, I just don't see the Chorus Kids being the reps.

 

[BombKirby]

Kinda why I think the leak is only partially true, I just don't see the Chorus Kids being the reps.

That's easy to say from a US perspective. Do some research though: http://www.vgchartz.com/game/25553/rhythm-heaven/

Thats almost 2 million copies in Japan. 3 million worldwide. Pikmin only has 1.63 sales worldwide (not including sequels/ports) and they got a Rep. Rhythm heaven has ALL the right for a character. Its a GIGANTIC deal in japan is the point. Smash is a Japanese game. Do the math and they have what it takes.

 

[BlueberrySyrup]

That's easy to say from a US perspective. Do some research though: http://www.vgchartz.com/game/25553/rhythm-heaven/

Thats almost 2 million copies in Japan. 3 million worldwide. Pikmin only has 1.63 sales worldwide (not including sequels/ports) and they got a Rep. Rhythm heaven has ALL the right for a character. Its a GIGANTIC deal in japan is the point. Smash is a Japanese game. Do the math and they have what it takes.

I never said they SHOULDNT get a rep, I just don't see a trio working that well in Smash.

 

[BombKirby]

I never said they SHOULDNT get a rep, I just don't see a trio working that well in Smash.

"I don't see them being a character" can be anything. So it wasn't exaactly obvious. A million people have said "I dont see Pacman being playable" and they really meant "they dont see a reason for him being playable."

What are you imagining? Like 3 Ice Climbers? Because that won't happen. The way I see it... it is either going to be all 3 characters drawn on one sprite, OR just the main Chorus guy and he just summons the rest when he uses moves (like how Zelda briefly summons a phantom and it poofs away after the move is done) or it's just a mistranslation. People who don't speak English often mess up Man VS Men and Woman VS Women. It could just be "Chorus Guy". Its also not called "Chorus Boys" in the US. Its called the "Glee Club." There is some wonky "lost in translation" stuff going on here so I'm being wary.

 

[BelowZer0]

I can see the Chorus Men being three different characters but they differ from rosalina and ICs because they move completely in sync just like a choir. That's how they would be made different

 

[CosmicKirby]

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Lucas Characterization In Spoiler, personally why I played him and don't want him to be cut.

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WHY OH WHY DID I READ THIS.

As to the Chorus Kids, what would they do? It'd be weird having 3 teamates to control.

Gah, why did I have to click that spoiler box...

Still hoping Lucas is in the game and the leak was chatting about really outdated info about this one.

 

[ChillySundance]

Why the chorus men over the Karate dude tho?
What am I saying, Sakurai's a genius. I'll probably end up maining them.

I think it's because they have potential for a more unique gimmick. Karate guy is pretty iconic, but he's not really interesting in concept, same for Wrestler.

F-Zero is like completely dead though and hasn't had any love from Nintendo.
Mother isn't irrelevant with all the new things happening around it.

Kinda why I think the leak is only partially true, I just don't see the Chorus Kids being the reps.

Mother is effectively stagnant though, since it's 'finished' and never going to be continued. F-zero at least has the potential for more games.

 

[BombKirby]

I can see the Chorus Men being three different characters but they differ from rosalina and ICs because they move completely in sync just like a choir. That's how they would be made different

I still feel like they'd be 3 guys drawn on one sprite, or one guy, and he just summons all of the other iconic Rhythm characters for his moves. His gimmick would probably be attacking in rhythm and different timings on things like how fast you do his basic A->A-> combo change the outcome of the combo/attack.

 

[ChillySundance]

Yeah I think if it's 3 characters, they'll operate as a unit rather than as separate characters. Unlike Ice climbers, they'd be impossible to separate and would only give the appearance of being 3 in 1.

As a result they'll probably have a really weird, wide hitbox, or perhaps it'll be like Olimar where two of them follow behind and are un-hittable.

 

[TheAnvil]

One BIG question I have that's important. If they are doing DLC...how in the hell is that going to work across both platforms? They aren't seriously going to charge $5 per character per platform...are they?

I'm guessing it'll be something to do with the NNID.

It might actually be a treehouse member.

If that's the case, it could be someone in advertising.

And if THAT's the case, then would they know everyone?

Yeah if that was the case then it's likely that they're on a "need to know basis", IE they only know the characters that they need to advertise.

 

[Ryuutakeshi]

I thought the treehouse was strictly NoA?

 

[Malkior7]

are these sal romao leaks random? or is there a pattern?

 

[TheAnvil]

are these sal romao leaks random? or is there a pattern?

2 of them came before E3, one before the direct.

So assuming that he's in marketing/advertising is kind of a safe bet.

 

[Sahfarry]

That's easy to say from a US perspective. Do some research though: http://www.vgchartz.com/game/25553/rhythm-heaven/

Thats almost 2 million copies in Japan. 3 million worldwide. Pikmin only has 1.63 sales worldwide (not including sequels/ports) and they got a Rep. Rhythm heaven has ALL the right for a character. Its a GIGANTIC deal in japan is the point. Smash is a Japanese game. Do the math and they have what it takes.

I never said that. That was blueberrysyrup lol

F-Zero is like completely dead though and hasn't had any love from Nintendo.
Mother isn't irrelevant with all the new things happening around it.

So what's happening in the world of Mother?

 

[Chauzu]

Am I the only one who doesn't believe in the 2nd leak 100% yet? I'm sorry for being like that but until I see a rep from Rhythm Heaven confirmed I just can't belive it. It's just too outrageous. And on top of that we have Shulk, who is absolutely a candidate but not a shoe-in like Chrom.

I wouldn't mind if the leak is true, it's nothing about that, but Rhythm Heaven rep... We're talking a more outrageous move than adding WFT into the game. It would be fun because of that but come on, in retrospect WFT made perfect sense. I can't see my opinion of a Rhythm Heaven rep making more sense in retrospect than it does now.

So what changed after E3? 1st leak got confirmed yes (Pac-Man and Mii). Palutena was confirmed yes. Mii Figher name confirmed yes (at the same time, Goddess Palutena name was incorrect). Rhythm Heaven enemy in Smash Run spotted. Shulk voice actor implying "good news". Anything else? Just want to see if I've missed something that can change my opinion.

Most of this increased the chances of the leak as a whole for being correct, I agree with that. (Except for the Palutena thing, I am getting so annoyed with this leak getting so many outrageous things right and then silly things so wrong). I just wonder where the old "leak isn't confirmed until Chorus Men is confirmed" mantra dissapeared to. I am feeling alone!

 

[Louie G.]

Yeah sorry but Ness has been there since Smash 64, Mother deserves to keep a 2nd rep, and besides, Chorus Kids don't have any character depth compared to Lucas, if you haven't played Mother 3, you wouldn't understand Lucas at all and why he's such a GREAT character to be on the cast..

Character depth means nothing in the grand scheme of things.
We have Villager and Wii Fit Trainer.

Lucas is a great character, but it doesn't mean that he'll stick around solely for that reason.

It's debatable whether Mother deserves that second rep, but it already has it.

And Chorus Kids would all move together.
It's one character development wise, but it looks like three.

 

[Gameboi834]

if you haven't played Mother 3, you wouldn't understand Lucas at all and why he's such a GREAT character to be on the cast..

Last time I checked emotional complexity has nothing to do with how viable a character is in a fighting game roster.

 

[Deleted member 245254]

It's been mentioned briefly but I wanted to quickly bring this back up. It's from the digital event when Reggie was explaining Amiibo....

Now, I'm just being speculative...but this seems like a pretty clear representation of mostly characters that reside within Super Smash Bros.

Instead of Villager however, we have Tom Nook and the other Dog chick thing (don't know the name). We also have Toad and 8-bit Mario as well. None of those characters are confirmed in Sm4sh, but the presence of a character like G&W easily suggests that Smash Bros may somewhat be a defining characteristic of the chosen characters shown in that picture. It's certainly not "Wii U titles", because G&W doesn't have a Wii U title, and neither does Samus (yet). Not to mention Fire Emblem (yet).

That being said...there is a bubble for Lucina. Does this possibly hint or tease at a 3rd Fire Emblem representative, thus giving credence to the idea that Chrom will be in?

Maybe the couple of odd non-smash characters are meant to throw us off? People assume that Sakurai seems to love throwing curve-balls with every single thing, the Ridley debate is obvious of this...could this be one of those cases?

 

[SuperSmashDrake]

I personally believe the leak now that a Ghost from Rhythm Heaven has appeared in Smash Run.

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[Ginger Hail]

More than just Smash is getting Amiibos. I wouldn't put a lot of weight on that single snapshot from the Direct. It seems more like it's representing the possibilities for Amiibo.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I don't think Sal's information is outdated, as Mii Fighters are a hint that he's getting new info.

 

[Deleted member 245254]

More than just Smash is getting Amiibos. I wouldn't put a lot of weight on that single snapshot from the Direct. It seems more like it's representing the possibilities for Amiibo.

It came during a Smash 4 info dump, and like I said, the presence of many characters lacking Wii U who are also a Smash Bros character veterans...seems to suggest some teasing going on...

 

[Dairz]

Am I the only one who doesn't believe in the 2nd leak 100% yet? I'm sorry for being like that but until I see a rep from Rhythm Heaven confirmed I just can't belive it. It's just too outrageous.

Too outrageous? Remember, Sakurai is the kind of guy who throws in random characters for no other reason than "Nobody expected it". I wouldn't be surprised if Smash 5 had a playable Petey Piranha or something.

 

[HugoBoss]

It came during a Smash 4 info dump, and like I said, the presence of many characters lacking Wii U who are also a Smash Bros character veterans...seems to suggest some teasing going on...

Meh, I doubt it.

 

[Deleted member 245254]

Meh, I doubt it.

It's no less evidence than Ridley has for his inclusion...

 

[Luigi#1]

It's no less evidence than Ridley has for his inclusion...

Why is there a show ignored content button why why why?
Never hitting that one again.

 

[HugoBoss]

It's no less evidence than Ridley has for his inclusion...

I dunno, Awakening did sorta save the franchise, I am not surprised that it will show that game instead of others. Not sure where you got Ridley from me though...also, it clearly looks like to me this was just about Amiibos in Wii U games, as it shows the generic Mario figure and not the Smash Amiibo.

 

[BlueberrySyrup]

Character depth means nothing in the grand scheme of things.
We have Villager and Wii Fit Trainer.

Lucas is a great character, but it doesn't mean that he'll stick around solely for that reason.

It's debatable whether Mother deserves that second rep, but it already has it.

With how big the Mother series is and with Ness being in since N64 they deserve at least 2 reps.
Especially since Mother 3 might get westernized soon. (High possibility)

Wii Fit Trainer is great, and Animal Crossing is a pretty big thing around the world, character depth wise, they don't have much I agree there.

 

[Louie G.]

You know Mother consists of all of three games, right?

Even Rhythm Heaven is bigger than Mother.

Even popularity wise Mother falls behind.

 

[Maxilian]

You know Mother consists of all of three games, right?

Even Rhythm Heaven is bigger than Mother.

Even popularity wise Mother falls behind.

I don't know if that's funny or sad

 

[BlueberrySyrup]

Mother is getting bigger and if they release it in the west it'll keep growing.

It's hard for a game to grow when only the second game comes to the US.

Hopefully we'll be getting Mother 3 news July 29th.

 

[Louie G.]

Itoi said that Mother is finished.

I don't see how that could possibly mean it's going to get bigger.

Mother 3 coming to America would be nice, but I'm not getting my hopes up.