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The Official Thread For the Sal Romano/Gematsu Leak

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Thing is, we don't know if it's accurate. It's pretty much the only thing about the leak left that we can scrutinize at this point. I don't think we have enough information all around to really say for sure. It would stand to reason, I'd imagine, that if he's in marketing/public relations, he'd probably be aware of there being DLC characters, especially if they wind up being tied to those NFC figurines. Since no-one here really has any idea how Nintendo functions internally, we can only guess.

So it's anyone's guess, really.
Honestly, my biggest issue with all of your arguments is that they are hinged on mostly one thing almost entirely.

Your assumption on what the person leaking should or shouldn't know, which is seriously BS.

You are not privy to what details anyone should, shouldn't, should be told, or would be told. You know nothing. You have just as much information as the rest of us, that this leak has succeeded in being 100% on all the newcomers it leaked, without misfires.
 
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At least we got 3 correct now for E3 2014. Mii, Palutena and Pac-Man. Wheres Chrom, Shulk, and Chrous Men.
(I also forgot the Mr. Game and Watch tease.
 

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Your assumption on what the person leaking should or shouldn't know, which is seriously BS.

You are not privy to what details anyone should, shouldn't, should be told, or would be told. You know nothing. You have just as much information as the rest of us, that this leak has succeeded in being 100% on all the newcomers it leaked, without misfires.
Yeah, but what else do we have to go on besides that? It's the process of elimination, man. It's a natural progression. Besides, he's NOT been 100% on all the newcomers leaked because Greninja. Spin it however way you want to, rationalize it however you want to that helps you sleep at night, but the evidence points to them knowing who Greninja was, what Greninja does and what they wanted to do with him from the moment they decided to put him on the roster way back in 2012. The leaker, if he had access to the ENTIRE ROSTER, wouldn't have missed Rosalina and Greninja.

And if he hadn't, we'd not be sitting here arguing about it as long as we have. Yet, he didn't accurately predict those, so, process of elimination:

* Leaker has been 100% accurate on all declared E3 newcomers so far. Missing a few, but great evidence in favor of the leak.
* Leaker has been 0% accurate on all non-E3 newcomers so far.

Isn't the first thing that comes to mind is 'This guy has access to information, but it's all information pertaining to E3.'? That should be the first rational thought that crosses through anyone's mind looking at that information. So, who has access to information at E3 before it actually drops at E3?

Public Relations and Marketing. Development Team (Sakurai, Bamco). Top Echelon Management (Iwata, Reggie).

We can probably rule out that anyone in the development team did it because the work culture over in Japan is CONSIDERABLY different than over here in America. No-one over there would likely leak things because it undermines all the work of their co-workers, and the efforts to keep it secret.

We can rule out it's Iwata, Reggie and Sakurai, because the former two are professionals and tight-lipped, they won't actually say anything about Smash, they've got more important things to worry about anyway, unless they're told to talk about it.

So all we have left is PR/Marketing, who would feasibly be who Nintendo goes to to prepare the stuff for E3 because, well, it's both Public Relations (it's the biggest video game expo in America, and there's tons of THE PUBLIC there), and they're trying to sell the product to the public, so that's marketing. They likely have pretty much unobstructed access to all of this media from Smash Brothers because it needs organizing, translating, editing and preparing.

We also can't really rule out people from E3 sneaking peeks of this information, either, 'cause the information we've gotten came hours before Smash presentations. They'd naturally have their hands on all the Smash Brothers media.

So, yeah, you're not privy to any of the details, either, but I'm looking at it logically. This is what I've come up with the evidence. The mention of Greninja's cemented place on the roster in the earliest months of Smash by Sakurai just was the last nail in the coffin. The guy doesn't have access to roster information. He has access to information that comes through him, and all of that happens to be E3 information. That's not a coincidence.

Why he revealed 'Pokemon from X and Y' when the information should have been clearly there is anyone's guess. Maybe hearsay. I'm sorry that it upsets you that we've flung the curtain aside to reveal the Gematsu Leaker isn't the premiere roster authority everyone expected him to be, just really a guy behind the scenes pulling strings and leaving out information he never had to begin with.
 
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I just noticed another thing... there's more going for this leak. The debate between Ness and Lucas matches up with that whiteboard drawing of Sakurai's from awhile ago.

You can see there's no Ness or Lucas, but a generic Mr. Saturn. If they really weren't considering cutting Ness, wouldn't they have put him there instead of the Saturn?

Also the Pikmin there seems to suggest that they were considering Alph instead of Olimar
Mr Saturn is a Smash staple too. It's not as if they would have cut Zelda for the heart from Zelda just because she's not there and the heart is.

Same logic could be applied to Pikmin and lack of Olimar.
 

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Hoping that Pichu is DLC! Make it so that every time he hurts himself he gets stronger
 

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At the beginning I believe.

Also...
One of the members of Nintendo Treehouse just said his favorite characters he can't yet discuss because they've yet to be revealed. They're playing smash now!
Could be shulk...they were all over xenoblade yesterday.
 
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I'll be straightforward in saying that I'm looking for any way of keeping hope for Lucas. He's my main, and the most important character to me out of the whole roster.

With that said, it seems to me there's a couple of oddities here. I prefer to look at the two leaks as completely separate. If you do that, you'll see that the only characters confirmed in the second leak are characters who were leaked previously. Pac-Man and the Miis were from the first leak, and Palutena had a leak that was widely accepted as real. (The most concerning thing for me here is the specific wording on "Mii Fighter.") That there "Has been internal debate" about characters seems a little fishy. There's no time frame given on when the debate happened, but it seems to imply that it was recent, when we've been told the roster was finalized long ago. Also ... why mention that this is the last E3 before release, when this information is widely known already? Finally, I know this is just my opinion, but I think the remaining 3 characters, maybe with the exception of Chrom, seem fairly unlikely. Having a reveal for any of those 3 would convince me, and a Chorus Men reveal would leave no doubt. They seem like names that are common on Smashboards, but perhaps not in the minds of the developers.

I know there's a lot of weight behind this leak because of the leaker's track record, but I'm still holding out hope. Please don't flame me. I'm feeling depressed enough over the situation already.
 

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I think need to just start thinking about DLC at this point because, as far as I'm concerned, the writing's on the wall. If Lucas or Wolf (the only two characters left who could realistically be cut) are cut, they could just simply add them back in with DLC so, in a way, it's no harm no foul. It'll probably be 4-6 characters and I could easily see them doing 1 villain, 1 cut character from Melee, 1 girl, 1 retro character, 1 cut character from Brawl, and 1 of the "Forbidden 7".
 

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Uh huh. I'm not 'desperately looking for an excuse as to why the leak is fake' when the evidence is all there that there's something clearly wrong with the information we've been given. I was given the information, I'm merely pointing it out and - funny enough - it's completely ignored. But I digress.

You're using decade plus old concept art for Ruby and Sapphire. Besides that being hilariously ironic, the concept art is not the enormous cluster**** that you're insinuating it is. Anyone can go to Bulbapedia and pluck out really convenient, silly concept art, but the reality is? They decide very quickly what they want.



Gosh, you seriously don't think their artists couldn't have drawn up and finalized all 68 Pokemon and 29 Mega Forms in the span of a couple of months? These aren't grade school kids sitting around with crayons, glue and macaroni. These are people that are paid to get this **** done.

So, if we assume worst case scenario - three or four months to get all the concept art finalized and ready to get into the game - that brings us to January 2011. Smash was something like a year from being developed then, and Sakurai was still working on Kid Icarus: Uprising.

To summarize:

* They knew they were putting Greninja into Pokemon.
* They knew they were putting Greninja in before development on Smash even began.
* They knew what Greninja was and knew his name when development on Smash began.
* Greninja's popularity was a happy coincidence.
* The Gematsu Leak has a huge, gaping hole in it thanks to Sakurai.

Anyway, as I've said already, I don't care if the leak is accurate or not, I'm done arguing it, and you could really do with an attitude adjustment. Keep ignoring all the evidence you want to, because I've finally, FINALLY, stopped giving a ****.
Again you seem to be looking at this the wrong way. Sakurai said they knew all the characters that would be in the game YES correct. But he said for GRENINJA and greninja only that they had only rough concept skectchs of the character, usually you do not have names for concept sketchs in a pokemon. Proof is the Blaziken and Latias Combo pokemon had no name other than what fans gave it. SOOOO my point is since Sakurai had no idea what the name of the Pokemon was he left it as "Pokemon from X and Y". Simple as that. I can't beilieve I had to explain that to you because it is kinda obvious but I know you are not gonna agree and make something else up. Whatever.
 
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Am I the only one who thinks the Lucas part is false? (or at least wrongly interpreted, seeing as it says there were talks, not that he is or isn't in the game) I think the rest of the leak is true, but I thought about it, and excluding Lucas makes no sense. I noticed the demo CSS has a random box. If RosalinaX + Gematsu ends up becoming true, it would be 48 characters + a random box. 49 slots. That's not even. If there are 49 characters however (Lucas isn't cut) then it rounds out to a nice even 50 slots on the CSS. So maybe roster is Brawl (39) minus Snake, Ivy, and Squirt (36), plus Mewtwo (37) plus Sal Leak (48) plus Rosalina (49). Probably not a legit train of thought, but I just like it when things are nice and even. And if Snake is confirmed, then sadly, I think Lucas is out, especially if my prediction here is correct.

To be fair, that could also just mean veterans, we're still missing like what, 12-13 Brawl characters?
Yeah, and among those characters are Wario, Ice Grabbers, and Meta Knight, characters who are no doubt starter.
 
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Am I the only one who thinks the Lucas part is false? (or at least wrongly interpreted, seeing as it says there were talks, not that he is or isn't in the game) I think the rest of the leak is true, but I thought about it, and excluding Lucas makes no sense. I noticed the demo CSS has a random box. If RosalinaX + Gematsu ends up becoming true, it would be 48 characters + a random box. 49 slots. That's not even. If there are 49 characters however (Lucas isn't cut) then it rounds out to a nice even 50 slots on the CSS. So maybe roster is Brawl (39) minus Snake, Ivy, and Squirt (36), plus Mewtwo (37) plus Sal Leak (48) plus Rosalina (49). Probably not a legit train of thought, but I just like it when things are nice and even. And if Snake is confirmed, then sadly, I think Lucas is out, especially if my prediction here is correct.


Yeah, and among those characters are Wario, Ice Grabbers, and Meta Knight, characters who are no doubt starter.
I'm questioning the Lucas part because of how they blatantly referenced how fans want Mother 3 in one of the early parts of E3. I don't know about you, but I think that would be quite a jerk move to joke about that sort of thing while knowing that Lucas was going to get cut from Smash.
 
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I'm questioning the Lucas part because of how they blatantly referenced how fans want Mother 3 in one of the early parts of E3. I don't know about you, but I think that would be quite a jerk move to joke about that sort of thing while knowing that Lucas was going to get cut from Smash.
I missed the beginning of E3, but now that you mention it, yeah, it does make no sense. I just really want to see the vast majority of the Brawl cast return. (In that we get basically everyone) I love Brawl's roster, but I'm sure I'm in a minority.

Well, right now is probably the time where semi-clones are currently being made at last minute, so a debate between Lucas and Ness isn't out of the question.
LUCAS.
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Wait a second, his being a semi-clone would actually be a strong argument in his favor, in that most of his stuff already exists...

Carry on!
 
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The leak didn't say anything decisive on Lucas, just that he was "likely" to be cut. Not that he definitely will be. I personally don't think he's going anywhere.
 

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Well, it's possible the team that wrote the skit doesn't know the final roster, but it is worthy of note that the two things mentioned were Star Fox and Mother 3, and a new Star Fox was revealed ...

In any case, maybe people will think I'm a fool, but I choose to still hold out hope for Lucas.
 
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I missed the beginning of E3, but now that you mention it, yeah, it does make no sense. I just really want to see the vast majority of the Brawl cast return. (In that we get basically everyone) I love Brawl's roster, but I'm sure I'm in a minority.
If you haven't seen the opening yet, it's worth checking out, both if you're looking for evidence or for a laugh.

And I actually rather like Brawl's roster as well, but I think there were some characters that should have been in the game. Cutting characters doesn't solve that issue.

The leak didn't say anything decisive on Lucas, just that he was "likely" to be cut. Not that he definitely will be. I personally don't think he's going anywhere.
Honestly, the whole Lucas thing about the leak seems odd to me. Not only that the roster has yet to be finalized this late, but the fact that it technically can't be wrong. Even if Lucas does show up, that wouldn't disprove the leak, because it didn't say anything definitive on the matter. I have to wonder if the leak was designed that way...

@ Aevin Aevin The skit scenes all seemed to be referencing Smash, specifically with the characters that they used (Little Mac in particular is only notable at the moment due to Smash). It seems odd that something obviously referencing Smash would be able to get away with making a joke about teasing fans with a certain game, if the main character of that game is getting cut from Smash.
 
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In any case, maybe people will think I'm a fool, but I choose to still hold out hope for Lucas.
Yes.
We must remain strong.
We must never give up.

I'm sure there's a speech about hope from Mother 3, but I don't remember...
 
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Yeah, the Lucas part of the leak is indeed a bit strange. I wonder why he posted such a thing now, when he's never said a single word about cuts before.
 

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Yeah, the Lucas part of the leak is indeed a bit strange. I wonder why he posted such a thing now, when he's never said a single word about cuts before.
If you want to bring that up, you might as well question why this guy is leaking in parts to begin with.
 

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I'm curious about Chrom... I can't see how he's not a clone mix of Marth and Ike.
My thoughts exactly. That's why I wanted Robin; he/she would fit way better and would represent the main importance of Fire Emblem: Tactics. I've got some hope Lucina might be in instead of Chrom (Lucina was represented as an NFC figure), but I've lost hope for Robin. Maybe Sakurai can prove me wrong.
 

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My thoughts exactly. That's why I wanted Robin; he/she would fit way better and would represent the main importance of Fire Emblem: Tactics. I've got some hope Lucina might be in instead of Chrom (Lucina was represented as an NFC figure), but I've lost hope for Robin. Maybe Sakurai can prove me wrong.
If you think Lucina could be in instead of Chrom, isn't that assuming the leak faked that particular bit of information? In which case I imagine Robin's chances would be notably higher.
 

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Customizable moves are variations of special moves. Lucas has variations of Ness's specials. So this line of thought does suggest that there is no need to keep both.

Going against this suggestion is the existence of Toon Link whose specials are variations of Link's moves. However, Toon Link has more stat variations from Link than the physic boys do from one another.
 

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Customizable moves are variations of special moves. Lucas has variations of Ness's specials. So this line of thought does suggest that there is no need to keep both.

Going against this suggestion is the existence of Toon Link whose specials are variations of Link's moves. However, Toon Link has more stat variations from Link than the physic boys do from one another.
Aren't Ness and Lucas roughly the same weight?
 

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Yeah, the Lucas part of the leak is indeed a bit strange. I wonder why he posted such a thing now, when he's never said a single word about cuts before.
Maybe he didn't hear about it till just recently? That's the likely reason for it.
 

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Ness and Lucas are similar terms of speed, power, jumps and weight. In my opinion it makes sense to combine their best attributes into one character than to keep both.
 
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Customizable moves are variations of special moves. Lucas has variations of Ness's specials. So this line of thought does suggest that there is no need to keep both.

Going against this suggestion is the existence of Toon Link whose specials are variations of Link's moves. However, Toon Link has more stat variations from Link than the physic boys do from one another.
What about Luigi and Mario?
 

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Mario and Luigi move quite differently. Jumps and traction have significant differences. Mario's movement and attacks have flow, while Luigi seems more focused on extremes. All vertical movement or all horizontal movement. Luigi seems much more powerful to me.
 
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Customizable moves are variations of special moves. Lucas has variations of Ness's specials. So this line of thought does suggest that there is no need to keep both.
I've thought of this, too. It's possible Lucas could be a costume alt with customizable special moves. However, you could also argue that the two could be different characters who both use the same 12 move pool of specials, getting maximum utility out of that set. They could both just have different default specials.
 

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Ness and Lucas are similar terms of speed, power, jumps and weight. In my opinion it makes sense to combine their best attributes into one character than to keep both.
And the space furries? I know Wolf is heavier than the other two, but Fox and Falco?
 

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I wouldn't mind dropping Falco. :U

And Mario and Luigi are nowhere near the same situation and you all know it. Mother is officially dead and Mario is...Mario.
 
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