The Official SBR Brawl Tier List v1.0

[Teran]

also im a little suprised at pits placement at the bottom of the high tier? i expected him somewhere in the middle or at the top of the high tier

Pit is mediocre, he's got some good traits, but he doesn't really excel at much. Anything he does, someone usually does better.

 

[Umby]

he did that because when u die with pt you have to switch and with zelda and sheik you can stay zelda and sheik when you die

but i hear a hack will be out soon so that pokemon never get tired and u can have the same one out the whole time with down b disabled like for example if u want charizard only then thats what u can get so maebe we will see it rising

Besides the fact that I adressed this already

A hack to prevent Pokemon from being tired is cool and all

But it is a hack and will not be allowed in tournament play.

Down B being fully disabled is kinda dumb.

But it is a hack and will not be allowed in tournament.

 

[Deleted member]

If Samus was so easy, a lot of people would be playing her.

Have you visited the Samus boards? A total of about 10 people maybe use her competitively.

Her Arm cannon, Fsmash, is actually a great killing move.

Utilt is great on platformed stages, BF, Helbread., Yoshi, and has a great killing potential.

And no, the higher up the list you go, the less you have to do to kill your oppionet. How complicated is it to play MK? Not very, just make sure your C Stick is in good working order and your good to go.

As a person said before "If your balanced, Your bad. If your broken, then your high tier."

Samus has a very good balance about her, just her complicated style and how to handle her discourages a lot of people. Her "Lack" of kill moves, Her Float. But really, if you took the time to discuss with a good Samus main. She has ALOT going for her then a lot of people reliease. I could care less about tounriment results, because when your low tier. Its one of you vs 60 MK's. Its a hard road to go, and your going to go down somewhere.

But if you had it 1 mk and 60's Samus's, you don't. Thats the huge flaw with tier lists, everyone rushed to get the easier broken charcaters and used them. now other characters, like the low tier, and not being developed at all simply because everyone wants the win.

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Lol this shows ur clueless. "Make sure ur cstick is working and your good to go"? Hahahaha. If your region loses to smash spamming MKs, thats pretty sad. Samus is indeed easy to learn, just watch a few vids of tudor and already be a smart player im already decent at samus. This applies with most characters, but samus has her amazing zair, which makes stuff easier.
I know how to spike, i know how to missle camp, i know falling fairs-> anything, im decent at samus. Her fsmash is decent at best, its nice, but it shouldnt be hitting often, its a bit of start up lag. I like fair-> dtilt best. Utilt is good too.
And why do you think the only competative samuses are people who post on the boards?
If you think you can place top 5 with a high tier, be my guest.

I main low tier btw, just dont think you are cool because you do good with a low tier =P

 

[gantrain05]

As a guess for a new Top/High Tier, here's what I say...

Top:
Meta Knight
Snake
Mr. Game&Watch
King Dedede
ROB

High:
Marth
Falco
Diddy Kong
Wario

that's just for now...

to be completely honest, Diddy > everyone but MK and snake, and wario i don't really feel is high tier, maybe i play all crappy wario's but he's never one of those characters that really scares me away from anything.

 

[Deleted member]

Wario is definately high tier. Diddy is good too, not sure exactly how high he should be.

 

[Barge]

Pit is mediocre, he's got some good traits, but he doesn't really excel at much. Anything he does, someone usually does better.

Pit is most definetly not mediocre. He can punish like crazy, has a bajillion kill moves, great strings and has wonderful aerials. A crazy spammable priority king projectile, 2 reflectors, great recovery and multiple hit nairs and upairs. He has strong tilts and grabs too. The only reason people think he's bad is because all they know about him is that he's spammy. And when it comes to it, thats part of his game play, along with lucario.

 

[ssbbFICTION]

There are so few warios repsentin anymore :\. Only the socal and texas know his true powers :\

 

[Teran]

Pit is most definetly not mediocre. He can punish like crazy, has a bajillion kill moves, great strings and has wonderful aerials. A crazy spammable priority king projectile, 2 reflectors, great recovery and multiple hit nairs and upairs. He has strong tilts and grabs too. The only reason people think he's bad is because all they know about him is that he's spammy. And when it comes to it, thats part of his game play, along with lucario.

Pit's arrows < Falco's Lasers
Pit's recovery < Meta Knight's
Pit's aerials < Meta Knight's

Pit's great and all, but it's just tough to excel when other characters outclass you. It's kinda like in Pokemon, Espeon has the raw stats to be a great psychic special sweeper, but then Alakazam and Azelf are better at that, so Espeon's slightly neglected. Bad comparison I know, but it's all I could think of. >__>

 

[da K.I.D.]

i havent seen pits doing too much in tourneys...

@mario fan
i dont like your list.
MK: 1
Snake: 2
D3: 3

thats how every tier list should begin, no matter what.

@ravin
the point is that samus was bad when this version of the tier list came out, thats why she is low tier.
Unfortunately for her, not much has changed, so compared to the other characters, shes pretty much just as bad now as she was when this list came out, so she deserves the same general position.
Also, please dont get it twisted, the reason the samus boards lack is not because she has a steep learning curve, it because once you get to the top of that learning curve, theres no real pay off. And do you know why?
Because Samus is a BAD CHARACTER.
and lol @ z-air>D3, i wish you could play a competant D3...
P.S. i dont care what nobody says, diddy is top tier

 

[Barge]

Pit's arrows < Falco's Lasers
Pit's recovery < Meta Knight's
Pit's aerials < Meta Knight's

Pit's great and all, but it's just tough to excel when other characters outclass you. It's kinda like in Pokemon, Espeon has the raw stats to be a great psychic special sweeper, but then Alakazam and Azelf are better at that, so Espeon's slightly neglected. Bad comparison I know, but it's all I could think of. >__>

Everyone < Metaknight.
Not making a point there.

 

[da K.I.D.]

lasers are better than arrows
marths airials are better than pits
ROBs recovery is better than pits

point is everything pit does well, theres a few characters that do it better.

 

[Teran]

Everyone < Metaknight.
Not making a point there.

Well Pit is good but not great. He doesn't have any particular killer aspects. WoI would be nice if it didn't leave him potentially vulnerable and gimpable. His disjointed hitboxes are nice, but I really don't see Pits killing that easily. I've taken a Fsmash at 130% as Falco and survived, although it was probably a bit stale... I'm not saying Pit is a bad character, I'm just saying he doesn't warrant being moved up the tier list, which is fair, low high sounds fine to me.

lasers are better than arrows
marths airials are better than pits
ROBs recovery is better than pits

point is everything pit does well, theres a few characters that do it better.

Agreed

 

[Umby]

You'll have to show me these strings that Pit has to satisfy my curiosity and contradict my prejudice.

 

[da K.I.D.]

what i have to do is show you your way back to the sonic boards...

 

[infomon]

what i have to do is show you your way back to the sonic boards...

LOL agreed

 

[gantrain05]

there are alot of characters who are outshined by alot of other characters, that doesn't make them bad characters....sheesh, thats like saying because MK's recovery is good, everyone else's recovery sucks balls so don't even compare that aspect, pits recovery is still good, marth has some of the best arials in the game, so saying his arials are worse than marths still isnt that great, its their overall qualities that really matter. sure pits arials aren't "the best" but they aren't bad, and combined with his arrow spam and decent agility, he's still a pretty good char. thats like saying, well snakes arials are slow and laggy, and he moves slowly in the air, so everyone is better than snake cuz snakes arials < everyones arials.

and i realize this comment probably has a trillion grammatical errors, im tired and just felt like arguing lol.

 

[Teran]

there are alot of characters who are outshined by alot of other characters, that doesn't make them bad characters....sheesh, thats like saying because MK's recovery is good, everyone else's recovery sucks balls so don't even compare that aspect, pits recovery is still good, marth has some of the best arials in the game, so saying his arials are worse than marths still isnt that great, its their overall qualities that really matter. sure pits arials aren't "the best" but they aren't bad, and combined with his arrow spam and decent agility, he's still a pretty good char. thats like saying, well snakes arials are slow and laggy, and he moves slowly in the air, so everyone is better than snake cuz snakes arials < everyones arials.

and i realize this comment probably has a trillion grammatical errors, im tired and just felt like arguing lol.

Read the other posts more carefully, I'm not saying Pit sucks, I'm just saying he's good where he is. He isn't top tier, I don't think many would argue against that.

 

[Turbo Ether]

So Lucas is definitely bottom tier.

 

[Teran]

So Lucas is definitely bottom tier.

Well bottom tier doesn't exist yet... and I don't think Lucas is bad at all, low or low mid in the next tier list perhaps.

 

[Turbo Ether]

He's actually pretty awful and worse than the vast majority of the cast. He's better than 3-4 characters maybe. His tournament results are also extremely terrible. Don't let his "flashiness" fool you, he's not very good at all.

Several low tiers are better than him; Mario, Ness, Pokemon Trainer, Yoshi, Sonic and Jigglypuff.

 

[da K.I.D.]

i wasnt sure about that, so thanks for clearing it up

seriously.

 

[Teran]

Several low tiers are better than him; Mario, Ness, Pokemon Trainer, Yoshi, Sonic and Jigglypuff.

They're all badasses, except maybe Ness.

 

[Mr.T 07]

WHAT??? how can Jiggly Puff be low?

 

[da K.I.D.]

I KNOW RIGHT?!

she should totally be bottom

 

[B!ggad]

I'm really hoping for a Zelda/Sheik (both characters together) spot.
Most people "stopped" playing solo Sheik anyway and started more or less dual maining to like halve the amount of disadvantaged match ups.
I'd so like to see where S/Z would end up on the tier list.

 

[TheDuplexDuo]

Dang, anyone got a professional opinion to where Unolimar goes? I wonder if he still ranks higher than Falcon?



Suggest it for the "lulz!"​

 

[Barge]

Dang, anyone got a professional opinion to where Unolimar goes? I wonder if he still ranks higher than Falcon?



Suggest it for the "lulz!"​

Nolimar is above falcon.
Nolimar has better recovery than link and ivysaur, loololol

 

[Teran]

The beauty of Falcon is that he transcends the tier list. I mean, he's so sexy, that people have actually gone out and won a handful of tourneys as him, where other low tiers have failed.
We <3 you Captain Sex Machine!

 

[Barge]

Well, good news.

"January 5th, June 1st- New Tier List/Ruleset"

Apparently SBR will be coming out with the next tier list in 15 days. Woopee!

 

[Lovely]

Another tier list this early?! I'm guessing people want the change of the tier list that badly? =/

I hope Samus scores mid tier at least, she is one of my mains after all.... wait, why do I can about the tier list, lol.

 

[Earthbound Zero]

I hope Ness is raised, then again everyone wants that for their main. xD

The old Tier list doesn't fit the meta-game as well as it used too, it feels like it's about time.

 

[Snowstalker]

Ness will definitely go up, as will Olimar, Peach, Sonic, Diddy, Marth, and Yoshi.

Wolf, Wario, R.O.B, Samus, Fox, and Lucas will move down.

 

[Ryusuta]

I'm not so sure about Fox moving down. A lot of advancements have been made with him since the first version came out. You might be right, but I'm a little hesitant about that. Most of the other stuff you said makes sense, though.

I will say this, though: the first version was so unbearably inaccurate when it was released, SBRB should be ashamed of themselves. If this version doesn't make some logical sense, I am NEVER going to reference their tier list again, and will instead use more credible sources for competitive data.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Ness will definitely go up,

No reason for this to happen...

as will Olimar, Peach,

Agree'd although Peach won't go to high tier imo. Olimar will rise of course....

Sonic,

lol

Diddy,

I'll lose all faith in the SBR if he won't be top tier

Marth, and Yoshi.

Marth is fine where he is. Yoshi too.

Wolf,

I'll lose all my faith ... lol no srsly, if anything he should rise or stay...

Wario, R.O.B, Samus,

OK, although Wario may even rise. ROB isn't top tier though <_<

Fox, and Lucas will move down.

Yes, both are pretty awful characters, who are higher than they should be. Fox is low mid at best and Lucas may even be flop5 though I'm not sure...

I'm not so sure about Fox moving down. A lot of advancements have been made with him since the first version came out. You might be right, but I'm a little hesitant about that. Most of the other stuff you said makes sense, though.

Actually, Fox made no prgress at all. His metagame is non existent, since noody plays him anymore His tourney results are complete garbage and his match-up's are terrible. He gets hard countered by MK, Marth, Falco, Kirby, Sheik, Pikachu and Zamus and he's borderline ***** by Snake, Luigi and G&W.

I will say this, though: the first version was so unbearably inaccurate when it was released, SBRB should be ashamed of themselves.

You're exaggeraing. It's not perfect but it's pretty decent though. The only characers who turned out to be horribly misplaced were Olimar and Diddy..

 

[Noraa]

Fox has been improving.

10youlose

 

[Ryusuta]

Hooray for no contextual layered quotes by default!

Sonic,

lol

Sonic has actually been getting much improved tournament results, and a lot of support. He should rise.

Wolf,

I'll lose all my faith ... lol no srsly, if anything he should rise or stay...

Yeah... no. Wolf should DEFINITELY drop. It's not even a consideration.

Wario, R.O.B, Samus,

OK, although Wario may even rise.

Not after all the exploits to his grab release animation for multiple characters, he won't. Wario is even more likely to drop than Wolf.

I'm not so sure about Fox moving down.

Actually, Fox made no prgress at all. His metagame is non existent, since noody plays him anymore His tourney results are complete garbage and his match-up's are terrible. He gets hard countered by MK, Marth, Falco, Kirby, Sheik, Pikachu and Zamus and he's borderline ***** by Snake, Luigi and G&W.

Fox didn't even have reliable tilt locks when the first version came out. I am extremely surprised you think that WOLF of all characters should move up, but not Fox. I can't remember the last time I heard about an impressive Wolf performance, but Fox has been popping up every now and then in high-level matches.

I will say this, though: the first version was so unbearably inaccurate when it was released, SBRB should be ashamed of themselves.

You're exaggeraing. It's not perfect but it's pretty decent though. The only characers who turned out to be horribly misplaced were Olimar and Diddy.

No. This tier list was NEVER any good. And I'm saying this as a person whose character actually did BETTER in it than most tier lists. It's ludicrously inconsistent in EVERY aspect, and NO logical argument has ever been given by SBR for any of the placements. In short, this version of the tier list does, has, and always will suck.

 

[Frown]

I still think the top 3 will remain the same.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Yeah... no. Wolf should DEFINITELY drop. It's not even a consideration.

His tourney result are consistent and there's nothing discovered...

oh w8! We just found out how to tech Falco's chainspike which makes the match-up even. The match-up's are getting better, even MK isn't that bad anymore

Fox didn't even have reliable tilt locks when the first version came out. I am extremely surprised you think that WOLF of all characters should move up, but not Fox. I can't remember the last time I heard about an impressive Wolf performance, but Fox has been popping up every now and then in high-level matches.

Please, look at the tounrament results. Fox is never used at all, since Lucien quit Brawl. Wolf won 2 tourneys in the ast two months (one of them with 120 ppl) and not lots of top 8 placings, especially by Equi.

He also won 5 or 6 tourneys which is as much as G&W

Fox doesn't even show up in top8 placings anymore.

 

[Ryusuta]

How do you figure that Meta Knight isn't that bad for Wolf?

Edit: Ooh... I just realized you have a Wolf icon under your name. That would explain a lot.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

How do you figure that Meta Knight isn't that bad for Wolf?

Edit: Ooh... I just realized you have a Wolf icon under your name. That would explain a lot.

Most MK match-up's aren't that hard, really. It's just that you can't even say "It's not that bad" because >9000 scrubs will jump and you and say nonononono MK is soo broken olololol.
Seriously, it was never that bad in the first place and there are also Wolfs who beat MKs in tourney. Most people just lose their minds as soon as you mention the name "MK" and a serious discussion isn't possible.

The truth is that MK doesn't hard counter any character, who's currently high tier or higher.