The Official SBR Brawl Tier List v1.0

[Deleted member]

Falcon can sorta jump around and try to bait openings, then capitalize with falling uair-> jab to grab and annoying stuff like that. He can certainly hold his own against most characters not named meta knight (his matchups arent too bad vs most of the cast), but he really doesnt have any advantages(link and ganon imo).

I dont play falcon but ive played a very good falcon in tournaments, he has a few very good options that can be abused by a smart player, and he can be played fast if you abuse what he has that is fast.

 

[Ravin]

Falcon better then Samus?

Lemme quickly go run over and laugh at your statement...

-Few hours later-

Debate then.

Better air game then Samus? Fair multi hitbox, Fair of Falcon, Hard to hit knee which has been nerfed. Also might I add, All of Samus's air moves, including Zair, missiles, and uncharged shot. Have zero landing lag (Or a frame or two has Uair has when landing. but you won't really notice.)

Samus has multiple moves to rack up damage very easily and quickly.

Both Far, Mid, and Close range abilities to help utilize better mindgames.

Better spike.

Projectiles?

Does CF even come close to any of that?

Oh wait... He does have a Falcon Kick and Raptor boost... Which you can use a Nuetral A to cancel out. And simply shield his Oh so fast Raptor boost.

Which also her tether grab can grab him out of them... Just like she can to MK and grab A snake attempting to recover and let them fall to there death.

Good times...
As sonic would say.

"You're too slow."

 

[Toesrus]

Id have thought Diddy would have been at least higher in the high tier if not top tier. Atleast higher than DK. -.-
But what do I know about all of these characters? I haven't played Brawl in a while and have no idea why G&W is that high, but then again I haven't seen him in action.

 

[LumpyCPU...]

well i found out that samus isn't as bad as i thought.
the more i play brawl (near never), the more i agree with the list.

 

[da K.I.D.]

i base all of my judgements on CF on this
possibly the best combo vid for brawl ive ever seen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPxFCsrWtKc

that being said falcon is the worst character in the game. at least ganon can kill you in 5 hits

CF Counters Sonic... If thats worth anything.

WTF? sonic CF is at the very least 60-40 in sonics favor,
GTFO with that crap, CF doesnt have a matchup advantage on anybody

C. Falcon says: Press B to be epic.

...with metaknight

 

[LumpyCPU...]

that being said falcon is the worst character in the game. at least ganon can kill you in 5 hits

qft I'M ON A ROLL

 

[Justblaze647]

i base all of my judgements on CF on this
possibly the best combo vid for brawl ive ever seen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPxFCsrWtKc

that being said falcon is not the worst character in the game. at least if ganon can hit you, he'll kill you in 5 hits

fix'd

WTF? sonic CF is at the very least 60-40 in sonics favor,
GTFO with that crap, CF doesnt have a matchup advantage on anybody

lol... agreed.

...with metaknight

lmao... agreed.

 

[Ravin]

I havn't visited the sonic boards in god knows how long.

CF Might counter himself 60-40 as well.

/sarcaism.

Point being, CF has potential, but won't go anywhere.

 

[Turbo Ether]

Lucas for worst character in the game '09. Yes we can!

 

[Lord Viper]

Lucas for worst character in the game '09. Yes we can!

Lucas could get mid middle tier at best, I don't think he'll be the worst character in the tier list. -_-;

 

[da K.I.D.]

thanks for the fix blaze, you are very right

and in the character rankings thread, somebody said that lucas was a solid character...

my responce was:
"if you look through the right fun house mirror, everybody looks like a solid character"
CFis played by a couple of good players, but he is a terrible character. people have to recognise the difference

 

[Ryusuta]

I thought Falcon was considered 6:4 against Squirtle.

...Not that that counts for much, heh.

 

[PKNintendo]

Lucas could get mid middle tier at best, I don't think he'll be the worst character in the tier list. -_-;

I see Ness moving above Lucas regardless.

 

[LumpyCPU...]

does every1 play pikachu as spammy as me?

i keep full hopping back and forth spamming neutral B.
then nair to dsmash.
and just spam offstage thunderwalls for edge guarding.

is that how he got so high on this list? just from spamming? lol

 

[A2ZOMG]

I OFFICIALLY BROKE G&W.

Two words: Bucket Cancel

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=207111

this is soooooooooooooooooo brokennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

RedAxelRanger (3:14:34 PM): LMAO
RedAxelRanger (3:14:38 PM): is that the bucket cnacelling?
RedAxelRanger (3:14:43 PM): that u linked me to?
Adomnintendoguy (3:14:46 PM): Yeah.
RedAxelRanger (3:15:07 PM): that is rediculous
Adomnintendoguy (3:15:08 PM): Allows G&W to do DI -> knockback cancel better than any other character.
Adomnintendoguy (3:15:22 PM): So how broken is it?
RedAxelRanger (3:15:30 PM): looks pretty broken
Adomnintendoguy (3:15:45 PM): Lol really? I didn't expect ppl to say it was THAT broken lol.
RedAxelRanger (3:15:57 PM): it'd be nice tho
RedAxelRanger (3:15:59 PM): if the vids were on FD
RedAxelRanger (3:16:00 PM): instead of
RedAxelRanger (3:16:03 PM): a custom stage
Adomnintendoguy (3:16:08 PM): Yeah.
RedAxelRanger (3:16:09 PM): so i can see practical
RedAxelRanger (3:16:12 PM): living percents
RedAxelRanger (3:16:14 PM): this is like
RedAxelRanger (3:16:16 PM): bridge of eldin
RedAxelRanger (3:16:18 PM): almost
RedAxelRanger (3:16:53 PM): guess G&W isn't light anymore
Adomnintendoguy (3:16:55 PM): Anyhow, I've been doing this for quite a while. It's only really good for surviving against knockback that would barely KO you as I said.
RedAxelRanger (3:17:13 PM): oh wait
RedAxelRanger (3:17:14 PM): there was the dsmash
RedAxelRanger (3:17:15 PM): on FD
RedAxelRanger (3:17:17 PM): at 170
RedAxelRanger (3:17:19 PM): reverse*
RedAxelRanger (3:17:22 PM): <_<
Adomnintendoguy (3:17:30 PM): That's pretty broken?
RedAxelRanger (3:17:34 PM): uhh
RedAxelRanger (3:17:35 PM): yeah
Adomnintendoguy (3:17:46 PM): Oh huh.
RedAxelRanger (3:17:50 PM): to give you a comparison
RedAxelRanger (3:17:54 PM): the back hit of meta's dsmash in training mode
RedAxelRanger (3:18:01 PM): kills snake from center of FD
RedAxelRanger (3:18:02 PM): at 130
Adomnintendoguy (3:18:08 PM): OMG.
RedAxelRanger (3:18:11 PM): so yeah
Adomnintendoguy (3:18:28 PM): So this means if G&W players get really good with positional advantage, they will survive forever?
RedAxelRanger (3:18:41 PM): not literally speaking
RedAxelRanger (3:18:42 PM): but
RedAxelRanger (3:18:42 PM): yes
RedAxelRanger (3:18:45 PM): retardedly long
RedAxelRanger (3:18:52 PM): when m2k imed me with the video
RedAxelRanger (3:18:56 PM): he was like NEW BEST CHARACTER!
Adomnintendoguy (3:19:06 PM): Wait, he IMed you the Bucket cancel AT?
RedAxelRanger (3:19:17 PM): yup
RedAxelRanger (3:19:22 PM): thats how i found out about it
Adomnintendoguy (3:20:02 PM): Sooo....any matchups this makes G&W do significantly better in?
Adomnintendoguy (3:20:09 PM): Besides just being better in general?
RedAxelRanger (3:20:14 PM): im sure it helps a lot
RedAxelRanger (3:20:15 PM): vs snake
RedAxelRanger (3:20:27 PM): not dying at ~90
RedAxelRanger (3:20:29 PM): or whenever it is
RedAxelRanger (3:20:30 PM): from uptilt
Adomnintendoguy (3:20:45 PM): Lol, I see.
Adomnintendoguy (3:21:59 PM): Wow, seems like I broke G&W.
RedAxelRanger (3:24:38 PM): yeah
RedAxelRanger (3:24:41 PM): this is gonna make me use him more in teams
Adomnintendoguy (3:25:25 PM):

 

[LumpyCPU...]

well it's ok. game&watch sucks in this game. so it doesn't really matter...
wait... ****...

 

[Barge]

I thought Falcon was considered 6:4 against Squirtle.

...Not that that counts for much, heh.

They could easily counterpick falcon by pressing down B

 

[kr3wman]

And eat a Falcon Punch to the face? I once did that in a real match, I think.

 

[Deathwish238]

forget falcon and Pokemon trainer did u guys miss the bucket cancel?? (+ yoshi and DK) wtffffff G&W for top or above snake at least...will they even let this happen in tourneys?? i don't think so...right?

 

[da K.I.D.]

the top 3 characters will still be MK, snake D3, but he might give D3 a run for his money with this

 

[TofuToph]

Falcon better then Samus?

Lemme quickly go run over and laugh at your statement...

-Few hours later-

Debate then.

Better air game then Samus? Fair multi hitbox, Fair of Falcon, Hard to hit knee which has been nerfed. Also might I add, All of Samus's air moves, including Zair, missiles, and uncharged shot. Have zero landing lag (Or a frame or two has Uair has when landing. but you won't really notice.)

Samus has multiple moves to rack up damage very easily and quickly.

Both Far, Mid, and Close range abilities to help utilize better mindgames.

Better spike.

Projectiles?

Does CF even come close to any of that?

Oh wait... He does have a Falcon Kick and Raptor boost... Which you can use a Nuetral A to cancel out. And simply shield his Oh so fast Raptor boost.

Which also her tether grab can grab him out of them... Just like she can to MK and grab A snake attempting to recover and let them fall to there death.

Good times...
As sonic would say.

"You're too slow."

I can't tell if you're trying to be condescending (or just rude?) but it's not necessary. I took the statement back within the same post ...

 

[Ravin]

the top 3 characters will still be MK, snake D3, but he might give D3 a run for his money with this

Id go with Diddy, MK, Snake.

Diddy's Metagame is... Too sexy...

 

[Snowstalker]

Top 3 will be MK, GaW, and Snake, IMO. DDD moves to 4th.

 

[da K.I.D.]

what is with people underestimating snake?

MK and snake ae always going to be the 2 best characters in this game no matter what

 

[Ravin]

A lot of anti Snake tactics are out.

Easily gimpable, CG'd, and easy to spike.

Grab with no hit when attempting to recover = Lol SAKUUUUURRRRIII!!!

No, Snake won't be much higher, hes just still overplayed as it is.

MK however, will remain broken...

 

[Yyrd]

Zero Suit Samus < Zelda, and it should stay that way.
Quoting my previous thread on the Zss forums.

For instance, lets look at Zelda.
She has one of the best projectiles in the game, (Din's Fire is controllable in distance, and can even KO) her smashes are multi-hit with very high priority, and she can teleport behind you. She also shouldn't have a problem reflecting your Paralyzer, or Armor Pieces for that matter, due to her Neutral B (Naryu's Love).

What I'm getting at here is this: Plasma Whip Spam

• Works against characters who have problems at medium range. (Almost all of our Counter-Picks/Neutral Counter-Picks disregarding MK)
• Jump + Plasma Whip (Landing in odd directions) keeps your opponent guessing.

Although, if you have any other way to beat a good Zelda - do tell(Besides gimping Zelda, which I know is fairly easy). My KO move is getting pressrued to the max, but I am also pressuring her with it. I know I must be doing it wrong, there has to be another way around Zelda. Has anyone managed to play a Zelda who knows what they're doing? Help would be much appreciated.

IMO, my reasoning it pretty obvious. Not only is spacing difficult when in this match-up, Din's Fire forces an approach. From there, she has some of the highest priority attacks in the game. Most of these are also multi-hit. You almost have to grab her, or decay one of your KO moves to accumulate damage.

 

[Barge]

No matter what AT's are discovered, MK will still always be top >_>
Unless of course, like a substitute for wavedashing was discovered and MK can't do it or something. I don't know why that'd be though.

 

[da K.I.D.]

i cant believe im saying this...

people are starting to underestimate snake.

its only easy to gimp, chaingrab, and spike bad snakes.

good snakes dont put themselves in that position

 

[Barge]

i cant believe im saying this...

people are starting to underestimate snake.

its only easy to gimp, chaingrab, and spike bad snakes.

good snakes dont put themselves in that position

Snake is one of the abnormal characters I have trouble chain grabbing with ice climbers. And his c4's grenade and rocket launchers always mess up my chain grabs. ANd yeah, a good snake wont recover right next to the ledge >_>. Hell, a good snake forces you to approach.

 

[Ravin]

You cant force a Samus to approch, this is why Samus is a good counter on Snakes.

IE Her projectiles > Anything Snake can throw at her.

 

[Snowstalker]

No matter what AT's are discovered, MK will still always be top >_>
Unless of course, like a substitute for wavedashing was discovered and MK can't do it or something. I don't know why that'd be though.

Yoshi has 3 wavedashes.

GOD:

Meta Knight

TOP:

Mr. Game & Watch
Snake
King Dedede
Falco
Marth
R.O.B

HIGH:

Diddy Kong
Lucario
Wario
Donkey Kong
Ice Climbers
Kirby
Pikachu
Olimar
Pit

MIDDLE:

Peach
Toon Link
Wolf
Luigi
Zelda
Zero Suit Samus
Bowser
Ness
Mario
Fox
Yoshi
Sheik

LOW:

Lucas
Pokemon Trainer
Sonic
Ike
Samus
Jigglypuff
Link

BOTTOM:

Ganondorf
Captain Falcon

 

[Frown]

Nah, I think the top 3 will remain as it is.

 

[Ryusuta]

Not necessarily. G&W's brand-new Bucket Cancel gives him some crazy survivability in many situations, now.

 

[PaintedGhost]

Yoshi has 3 wavedashes.

GOD:

Meta Knight

TOP:

Mr. Game & Watch
Snake
King Dedede
Falco
Marth
R.O.B

HIGH:

Diddy Kong
Lucario
Wario
Donkey Kong
Ice Climbers
Kirby
Pikachu
Pit

MIDDLE:

Peach
Toon Link
Wolf
Luigi
Zelda
Zero Suit Samus
Bowser
Ness
Mario
Fox
Yoshi
Sheik

LOW:

Lucas
Pokemon Trainer
Sonic
Ike
Samus
Jigglypuff
Link

BOTTOM:

Ganondorf
Captain Falcon

I think Pika and Peach should be higher. I also believe it's time to update the tier list.

 

[DanGR]

You left out Olimar.

 

[Ryusuta]

Olimar is Whistle Tier.

 

[Snowstalker]

You left out Olimar.

Thanks.

*puts in*

 

[Skyflyer]

i cant believe im saying this...

people are starting to underestimate snake.

its only easy to gimp, chaingrab, and spike bad snakes.

good snakes dont put themselves in that position

Well, how you you know its not easy for a really good player to do that to a really good snake?

 

[da K.I.D.]

when was the last time you saw a good snake get cypher grabbed?

sure snakes will get gimped, his recovery is gimpable, but it always takes like 2-3 attempts to fully gimp snake just because using C4 to recover is so effing good. and it doesnt matter that it damages him, since hes way effing heavier than he should be... not to mention how hard it is to get him into that postion to begin with since he has pretty much the best ground controll in the game.
snake is too good,

p.s. @sir orion, it doesnt help help ALLLLL that much, since he has to n-air first, and in most situations, hell already be dead by the time he can use the bucket in the air

 

[Ryusuta]

You're thinking about just horizontal kills. Think vertical kills.