The Official Kentucky Brawl PR

[Ralph Cecil]

Man I could've sworn I switched that. >_>

EDIT:Nvm Sp00ky stuff happened. >_< I had the link to the S2D thread, but it would lead to the Apex thread. :o Fixed it though.

 

[DtJ Composer]

http://smashboards.com/threads/334302/#post-15350318

dudes

 

[Dooms]

Hello guys!

Talking to the people in Kentucky, I would just like to say that we have decided that throughout this season and all of the following, there will be a new rule regarding which tournaments will count towards the PR.

"If a tournament is only involving locals, then it will not count towards the PR." Something along those lines.

If you are only playing people from your small area, then you start to learn the person, not the game itself or the character. I can be really good against Eric due to playing him 9000000 times, but that doesn't mean I'll defeat other ROBs unless they play very similar to Eric's, and if doesn't mean anything if we go dead even due to playing each other so much, regardless of any possible skill gap between us. While we want to get everyone involved with the list as we possibly can, it doesn't really show anything if you can beat the same people in your small area over and over. It makes placing people on a list way more difficult as well due to us being forced to consider the fact that you're only beating people that you have memorized and play against all the time.

(If I've worded anything poorly, feel free to go farther in depth Ralph/Eric/Casey.)

 

[SoulPech]

fun fun. Now will it be longer till the PR gets up?

 

[Ralph Cecil]

We are really close to updating it. D: There was some miscommunication that set us back a tad bit, but it shouldn't be too long.

EDIT:I'll reread your post later Joey. :o See if you left anything out, but I think you might have went over everything. :o

 

[DtJ Composer]

But the point of a PR is to rank people in your state against the other people in your state.

 

[Ralph Cecil]

The rule is to encourage people to attend tournaments with attendance that aren't just the people in their immediate local area, and maybe some locals lol. It makes it hard to compare results when most of your wins and losses are the same people you practice with all the time.

 

[Judo777]

So then, doesn't this rule make wins in head to head matches not matter? For that very reason? That seems kinda silly. I'm not personally worried about the rationale since i almost never play against any of the top players in our state regularly (the closest are maybe playing against Kero once a month, and Spec twice a week). It just seems in a lot of ways that the rule is designed to negate player's, within the state, opinions on who the best players really are.

 

[Dooms]

Let me use this as an example.

Let's say you, myself, Ralph, Eric, and Casey all train together, and if we're playing the game, it's with each other. We host small local tournaments that consist of us. We train together, so we can all beat one another every now and again, regardless of the skill gaps between us.

We'll also say that the skill gap goes Judo >>> Ralph >>> Eric >>> Casey >>> Me for the sake of this example. Not saying it's true, just for example.

Let's say I beat you in tournament, and you're my only win in tournament before being knocked out by people worse than Casey (but better than me). That win against you won't count nearly as much as any other wins I could have due to the fact that whenever I play the game, it's with you. I learned you. That obviously doesn't make me better at the game, so I'm not going to be higher than I should be just because I beat you.

Also, since you decided to bring up head to head matches, I will say that there were very few head to head matches actually considered. I don't think a single head-to-head decided anything in the list we're presenting at all.

I'll use Ralph as an example with a minor spoiler to the PR (sorry if this bothers the panelists). I beat Ralph twice, he beat me once. He still has 1 win on me, a decent player. He also has wins on quite a few other people, OOS and in state. Over all, his wins prove more than mine regardless of me having a 2-1 record on him. He's going to be higher than me due to this.

@Jake: "Mission Statement: To present to the community a well rounded PR that will promote a more competitive atmosphere and encourage growth to our smash scene state-wide."

If you're attracting attendance state-wide, then sure. If you're only presenting a tournament to your specific area of Kentucky, then no :v. That's what this was all about.

 

[DtJ S2n]

(the closest are maybe playing against Kero once a month, and Spec twice a week).

gosh get rocked s2

We'll also say that the skill gap goes Judo >>> Ralph >>> Eric >>> Casey >>> Me for the sake of this example. Not saying it's true, just for example.

gosh

 

[Dooms]

I just used the panelists + the person that I was referring to .

 

[Judo777]

But I don't think that is remotely how that crap works. Players should not cross large skill gaps just because they play with the other person. The only way to typically cross a major skill gap is to pick a tough matchup (character or player specific) to do the work for you. At high levels of play adapting is completely mandatory, so is changing up your play style. If the other player knows how to beat you, and you don't know how to beat them, then you are not adapting and or they are adapting better. Which translates to them not actually being much worse than you. So I really don't think that's a very legit reason. The only real skill level gap I ever see crossed is when matchups are involved. I handily beat Carls at the last tournament I was at, but I don't really consider that to be showing I am much better than him, as my character wrecks his really badly.

I feel like training together is kind of just a john. I do not know any 2 people that play together regularly, that there is a large skill gap between, that the worse player can regularly, descisively win where a staggering MU is not involved.

And S2 up until very recently I like never saw you around here. So I wasn't counting you because I used to never play you lol

 

[Dooms]

There is no point in arguing this because we're not changing this. Unless 3/4 panelists think it's a good idea to change this, I really doubt we will. Considering that I'm 1/4 that thinks it's a good idea, you're SOL.

If you think it's stupid, encourage people to go to your tournaments. If I can post a thread up and get OOS attendance without even advertising, then I'm pretty sure anyone else can, too. If you're not willing to get other players outside of your immediate area to go to your tournament, then might as well suck it up and realize that it won't be PR worthy. We're pretty solid on this.

 

[DtJ Composer]

So at the next S2D only players from Louisville and Lexington show up. Is this a local? The only attendees are locals from Kentucky

 

[Ralph Cecil]

EDIT:nvm it's late and i'm too lazy to look over my post. >_< I might edit it back in the morning. :o

 

[Dooms]

I'll respond to Jake when I'm home from school (9-10 PM since I have Jazz Band T_T). Hopefully Ralph will edit in his response or another panelist will respond to Jake as well xD.

15 hours later...

Okay, Jake, maybe this will help explain things.

Let's compare Lexington Ranbats to Something 2 Do.

Lexington Ranbats are a tournament ran in Lexington that are only posted in the Facebook group, and you only get invited to it if you're one of the people inside of that small Kentucky group (a little bit over 50 members iirc). However, their attendance is basically Lexington players + the (pretty) rare other Kentucky players. Basically, these events would only count if they brought in Eric + Green Up + Myself + Richmond, since there is no advertisement to bring in players outside of their immediate local area (Lexington). Lexington versus itself doesn't bring any variety to the table when all of their winning results were against players that they play against all the time (which was a problem with two players on this list). I'd also like to say that this is partially because of the fact that Ranbats tend to be 4-5 hours long at the most and don't start until 5-6, which may be why most people don't travel to them.

Something 2 Do doesn't have this problem at all. Louisville doesn't have a scene anymore. It's me, Hilt... Honestly that may be it out of the people that actually play brawl. It's a tournament literally based off of non-locals. Kel, Cincinatti, occasionally Indiana, rarely lexington, Eric/Phael, Green Up, Richmond, etc.... S2D does not have any problems with the local issue because I make a thread, which makes it known to our whole tri-state area that there is a tournament in Louisville Kentucky on this date. The fact that they can generally be 12-7/8 if needed is a boost compared to the small amount of time Lexington has, which MAY help in bringing in attendance compared to the Ranbats.

Another thing is that Ranbats don't bring variety to results. Several wins > 2-3 strong wins, which is what we had to deal with for 2-3 players we had to rank. They had a good win or two, but since they only won against people in ranbats, the fact that certain players beat the people they play against all the time... Doesn't really say anything compared to another player that beats tough people out of state. We're basically trying to avoid these stupid situations where people are ranked lower than they should be just because they don't have enough of a variety in their results to back up their skill.

Hopefully that should help explain things a bit.

 

[Judo777]

Kel came to tons of our events....... but that's besides the point. I don't know where you get this idea that we are terribly upset over this rule. I for one really don't care what your PR says or does. I just want to make sure you guys have a legit rationale for some of the weird rules you guys are making. And more so I don't want you guys to make a PR that people don't think has any credibility. I'm actually looking out for you guys. Lastly I really don't want it to appear as if you are just making rules to exclude Lexington (which is the largest scene in Kentucky), and include your tournaments just because you host them (which is what it looks like, despite the fact that I don't think that's how it is).

Last and most importantly, you need to listen to the smashers of Kentucky and take and consider their input, instead of acting like everyone that's not in your panel of 4 people's opinion is irrelevant, and you guys have some authority to tell the smasher of KY how its going to be. I'm not telling you to do what we say, but at least pretend to consider it.

If I am the only person that feels like some of this is the case than I will retract my statement.

 

[DeLux]

This rule is definitely a head-scratcher to me as an unbiased opinion

 

[MegaRobMan]

Nah, it's why I'm ahead of Tyser, only reason he beats me is because he has me downloaded, and it reflects itself on the PR.

tbh I think the PR should be MegaRobMan Jr. #1 because he's the coolest and he can beat players he doesn't have downloaded. Judo plays sheik and she's broken, I think that needs to be brought up and he should be penalized for that. So should all DeDeDe players and Pika mains.

As someone who was basically a local of the KY region for a time period (I spent so much time there I was able to win a melee tournament) I feel my opinions are more valid than someone who is unbiased.

 

[DeLux]

I would argue that the reason why Tyser beats you is probably because he's the better player, which is directly reflected by him beating you consistently. Anything else is just johns. Bad Character MU? Play a better character. Has you downloaded? Adapt. Not doing either of those makes you objectively not as skilled because you're losing.

Sample size typically yields more consistent results. So in reality things are more likely to be less skewed by random blind pick issues or whatever extenuating factor that may occur with the larger sample size of constant play.

 

[Ralph Cecil]

EDIT: I'll just edit my post out again loool. I'll post it back after making sure I didn't say anything stupid. Q_Q




#Chisports Memorial
March 2nd, 2013
Entrants: 12
Placement:5th

Winner's Bracket:
Defeated Hilt2-0(Snake/MK vs Olimar)
Lost to Carls 1-2(Snake/Sheik vs Fox/Kirby)

Loser's Bracket:
Lost to Mister Eric 0-2(Snake vs R.O.B.)

Money Matches:
Lost to Hadesblade 1(?)-3(Snake vs Yoshi)



I'll update the op when people who went to Composer's post their results.

 

[Dooms]

Example:

Ralph vs Smile

Ralph has shown that he's the better player this season through this amount of really good wins.

However, out of all the people he's played, Smile is the only person in KY that Ralph couldn't beat in bracket. They played twice, Ralph lost both.

Ralph openly admitted that they practice a lot, and that the win shouldn't matter much. They're the same crew, so we could figure this.

Smile is not better than Ralph at this current time. We know this through their other results, yet Smile beat Ralph in tournament bracket 2 sets to 0 throughout the season.

It's obviously not impossible due to this.

 

[Mister Eric]

I can agree with where Judo, Composer and company are coming from.
And to have a PR for a state while not allowing certain state tournaments to occur seems a bit absurd. And the goal of this PR is not to have absurdity, but instead create a guideline to showcase our skill as a state without much confusion.
I know you guys remember the whole argument about the Lexington tourney where I think S2 beat Kel or something of the sort. I felt the argument wouldn't be necessary if we had stricter guidelines.

At high levels of play adapting is completely mandatory, so is changing up your play style. If the other player knows how to beat you, and you don't know how to beat them, then you are not adapting and or they are adapting better. Which translates to them not actually being much worse than you.

I agree that adapting is mandatory, but a lot of the time it's hit or miss with some people. Mostly miss with lower skill-leveled players. If you're going back and forth with someone, yea you can try mixing it up, but how much diversity does a person's character really have? Then you can talk about MUs and counter picking and so on and so forth. Which are valid arguments. I like them, it makes me rethink ignoring certain head-to-heads all together. It's simply past experiences that make me think otherwise.
For season 1, we didn't ignore any head-to-heads. We just didn't give a person more merit for simply knowing how to fight one person. SMILE beat Ralph 2-0, but what else did he do? Not much. But Ralph has a nice record of good wins, and hardly, if any, bad losses. I'm going to go out on a limb and say SMILE has a lot of catching up to do for next season because he simply isn't a placement or two behind Ralph. You would want to think differently simply because he's able to give Ralph the D in two sets, but that just wasn't the case when we saw how his matches went with other people.
I have a similar story.
Back when both Xisin and I used to be quite active a few years ago. We played each other nonstop and for our area, it was quite the debate on who was better if we only scaled our skill on local events alone. If it wasn't for us traveling, or having people travel to us, I would have never realized that Xisin was always one step ahead of me. When I would place 17th, he would place 7th. When I barely made it out of pools at C4 Galore, he was getting 4th (this was a 98 man tourney in 2009 iirc). Maybe he wasn't switching it up enough in the head-to-head. Still doesn't mean he wasn't a league or two beyond my skill level at the time.

This wouldn't even be as much of an issue if ShadowPhoenix, TTar or whoever would just make a thread and reach out to people. Or even coordinate when to host tournaments instead of hosting locals on days of other Kentucky or other nearby tournaments.
Instead, these are strictly FB events that only so many of us get invited to and no one else knows about. And at times, they can't even afford to appeal to out of town people due to time constraints. It just starts to make me feel like it's Jay's tournament all over again.


I gotta go so I'll just leave it at this for now.

 

[Dooms]

Sorry to Judo for wording things badly and sounding hyper-aggressive. Didn't want to start another stupid and pointless argument like we did 10-12 pages ago, but too late lol. It's not that we're not taking other people's opinions into consideration, it's just that you tend to start arguments that go no where and become really obnoxious, so I wanted to end it as quickly as possible. .

Eric covered everything else.

 

[MegaRobMan]

I would argue that the reason why Tyser beats you is probably because he's the better player, which is directly reflected by him beating you consistently. Anything else is just johns. Bad Character MU? Play a better character. Has you downloaded? Adapt. Not doing either of those makes you objectively not as skilled because you're losing.

Sample size typically yields more consistent results. So in reality things are more likely to be less skewed by random blind pick issues or whatever extenuating factor that may occur with the larger sample size of constant play.

I'd like the thank Lux for giving a serious response.

 

[Ralph Cecil]

Come to check the PR thread. "Ralph got wrecked by Smile."

Thanks guys lol

 

[Dooms]

It's okay, Ralph. We all have to get the D every now and again.

 

[DtJ Composer]

Ralph openly admitted that they practice a lot, and that the win shouldn't matter much.

unbias opinion

We know this through their other results, yet Smile beat Ralph in tournament bracket 2 sets to 0 throughout the season.

The leap to Inui Logic is what makes the rational of this rule weird to me.
Absolutely weigh locals wins less than OoS wins but don't throw them out completely. Ralph has the results to prove he's a better player right now that Smile but Ralph is a worst player for not being able to beat Smile and it should be reflected in a PR.

I know you guys remember the whole argument about the Lexington tourney where I think S2 beat Kel or something of the sort. I felt the argument wouldn't be necessary if we had stricter guidelines.

See, that's something I can understand. If this is a reaction to that it's a bit knee-jerk though.

 

[ShadowPhoenix951]

i almost never play against any of the top players in our state regularly (the closest are maybe playing against Kero once a month, and Spec twice a week). .

To quote S2, GOSH GET WRECKED SP.

Also, we have a PR finalized. We're just having trouble with the artwork, so in the interests of time, we'll probably just skip the artwork in general.

Outrage 1
March 9th, 2013
Entrants: 32
Placement: 13th

Pool's:
Lost to SpartaKick 2-0 (MK/Falco vs. MK)
Defeated Xatic 2-0 (MK vs. Wario/Falcon)
Defeated Mr. E 2-0 (MK vs. ROB)

Winner's:
Lost to GenoSamus 2-1 (MK vs. Samus)

Loser's:
Defeated Legit 2-0 (MK vs. G&W)
Defeated I honestly don't recall, will update after results has bracket posted
Lost to S2 2-1 (MK vs. DK)

MMs:
Lost to Carls 3-2 $5 (MK/Falco vs. Fox)
Lost to LOE1 2-0 $5 (MK vs. Wario)

 

[Dooms]

What?

"Ralph has the results to prove he's a better player right now that Smile but Ralph is a worst player for not being able to beat Smile and it should be reflected in a PR."
That doesn't make any sense at all lol.

What we're saying in this specific case is that Ralph has (way) more OoS wins than Smile, better wins, and has stronger performance in general. The fact that he lost to smile doesn't really matter too much considering how much they practice and learn one another along with Smile's lack of bracket wins in general. One of the reasons why it didn't count that much was because he hasn't been doing well all season. His only bracket wins that are against high leveled players (no offense to anyone he's beat) are Ralph and Mister Eric. The rest of his bracket matches were losses or weren't high level compared to Ralph's. A win against two PR'd players (especially one you practice with and have learned) just didn't cut it, partially because in most tournaments he didn't make it far enough into bracket to face other PR'd players to see if he would win or not. He got an unlucky bracket at BitH and only played Ralph and Kero as PR'd players, but that doesn't change his other four tournaments where he didn't do much of anything.

When you consider how often they play along with how poorly Smile did in the season as a whole, it becomes apparent that the win against Ralph shouldn't mean as much. If Ralph is doing way better than Smile in general and has shown that he's better than the players Smile lost to, then what reason do I have to assume that Ralph's loss to Smile isn't due to the amount of time they practice and how well they know eachother?

 

[DtJ Composer]

No, what you're saying is that tournament results from tournaments that don't have OoR players don't count towards the PR.
So if Ralph wins every tournament that counts but loses to Smile at Lexington tournaments, it'll treated as though he's never been beat in bracket.

What I'm saying is that it's fine to treat tournaments like Lexington's ranbats (even if they're stacked "locals") with less weight than an S2D where two other states attend, but it's not ok to treat tournaments like Lexington's ranbats as if they never happened.

A policy for true locals vs. literal locals is fine, whether it's to promote OoR travel or to promote attendance or to make sure things like Kelbagging Gate don't happen again. But it's silly and frankly unfair to treat wins or losses as if they never happened just because they were against someone you play often.

 

[Juushichi]

You don't assume anything, lol.

You see that Ralph_Cecil has lost to Smile and count it as a bad loss.

And you count that Smile has beaten Ralph_Cecil and count it as a signature win considering apparently what Ralph has done this season.

 

[Ori_bro]

My neighbors to the south. I extend my art services to you if you wish to have a sexy PR image

 

[Dooms]

Juu, that's dumb and it's not a true measure of skill. If Smile can beat his training buddy, but can't prove it against players equal to Ralph's level that he doesn't train with, then what type of skill is that? We're measuring skill, not someone getting a lucky win. If they're showing several wins around a certain skill level, that's where that player will be ranked obviously. However, Smile has beaten Ralph who is higher than most in our state, and hasn't beaten anyone else on his level while several of our other players have. If your only outlier result is a person you train against all the time, then why should we as panelists assume that you can consistently beat players equal to that skill level and rank them based on that? It's dumb from my perspective, and I'm pretty sure the other panelists had this in mind when deciding on this rule.

You're right, Jake. It may be unfair to not count the ranbats. However, they also don't show a true amount of skill when you're beating the same people over and over. Based on the lexington ranbats, we can assume:

Judo
Kero
S2
Spec
Hoboz
Ttar
Earl
SP/Flygon (Flygon was 7th in the first (SP being 9th), Flygon didn't go to the second one (where SP got 5th.))

This is lexington in a nutshell, and it's shown in both tournaments (Third was odd. SP, S2, and Judo weren't there. Replaced by Kryp and Twig).

Judo has had three tournaments. 2 ranbats, 1 cincy. In the cincy, he beat Carls and Tech_Chase, along with Ralph Cecil (which I actually missed and am disappointed in myself for missing this). These are good wins, of course. Not good enough, though.

At least three other players have had wins even to this or better.

Due to the lack of results, we have to decide as a group how much the lexington ranbats weigh when compared to these events where you're competing against tons of players equal to your level. He's had wins that probably bring him to top 5, but after top 5, he's just sitting there. We were almost debating not putting him on there because it was just too difficult to place him past top 5. We knew he had wins on Kero and S2, along with Ralph, but that was it. The other people in the top 5 had wins all over the place, some higher skill leveled than Tech Chase and Carls, along with people on or above Judo's shown skill level. We had a solid top 10 outside of Judo and 1 other person (Spec) just because we couldn't place them because of how bad their results were outside of their group, and how their group was basically head to head inside the pr (which doesn't help us when all of the players in the PR that are from lexington and travel have tons of good results OoS that over-power the head to head in the end). If you can beat S2 and Kero, that's good for head to head, yes. Outside of that, though, when Kero and S2 are gathering results on-par to Judo's skill level. We're basically put into the scenario that if you only go to lexington tournaments, you're going to be ranked way lower than you should be unless the players around you are just playing terribly. We learned that with this season, and this is us basically trying to stop this from become a recurring thing.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Eric/Ralph/Casey. I'm trying to remember things from memory since none of our thoughts on it are actually typed (it was all discussed in a skype call in late January/early February).

 

[Judo777]

Well the other thing to mention about my results is that outside of that one S2D tourney that I went to where you beat me 3 of our 7 maches, but did outplace me due to winning that later set in winners, which I don't think is even in this sesons PR, I have not in 2 years been outplaced by anyone in our state in any given tournament. I have only been tied with I think twice.

 

[Dooms]

I thought it was common place to assume that placement does not matter, only the specific wins you have. For example, Smile got to 2nd at a tournament only beating Ralph as a PR player :v.

 

[DtJ S2n]

Also, we have a PR finalized. We're just having trouble with the artwork, so in the interests of time, we'll probably just skip the artwork in general.)

This was supposed to be my burden but I've never been told any details on what to do. Ori's offer is quite nice though and I wouldn't be offended in the slightest if you went to him.

Outrage 1
March 9th, 2013
Entrants: 32
Placement: 7th
Bracket Image: http://i.imgur.com/bajkDI4.png

Pool's:
Lost to Zinoto 0-2 (DK vs Diddy)
Defeated KSev 2-0 (DK vs. Snake)
Defeated Topix (DK vs. MK)

Winner's:
Defeated TMK 2-0 (DK vs. Diddy/Kirby)
Lost to Zero 0-2 (DK vs MK)

Loser's:
Defeated Nom 2-0 (DK vs Falco)
Defeated SP 2-1 (DK vs MK)
Lost to Kel 0-2 (DK vs Marth/MK)

 

[Ori_bro]

This was supposed to be my burden but I've never been told any details on what to do. Ori's offer is quite nice though and I wouldn't be offended in the slightest if you went to him.

If you guys would like me to make an image, just send me a PM with the list, a theme, and the specific characters from the theme you would like for the ranked players.

 

[Ralph Cecil]

unbias opinion

Yeah I think there was some confusion with the way he said that lol. I didn't say it wouldn't count for anything, but I pointed out that there was a inconsistency of how I was one of two/three(?) of his good wins. :o

No, what you're saying is that tournament results from tournaments that don't have OoR players don't count towards the PR.
So if Ralph wins every tournament that counts but loses to Smile at Lexington tournaments, it'll treated as though he's never been beat in bracket.

What I'm saying is that it's fine to treat tournaments like Lexington's ranbats (even if they're stacked "locals") with less weight than an S2D where two other states attend, but it's not ok to treat tournaments like Lexington's ranbats as if they never happened.

A policy for true locals vs. literal locals is fine, whether it's to promote OoR travel or to promote attendance or to make sure things like Kelbagging Gate don't happen again. But it's silly and frankly unfair to treat wins or losses as if they never happened just because they were against someone you play often.

Do you mean OoR as in outside of the MW when you talk about us not counting tournaments lol? If so that's not that case. Outside of KY? Again that's not the case lol. We're just talking about tournaments that don't have attendance outside of a scene in a state(i.e. Greenup only attendance, Louisville only attendace, Lexington only attendance, e.t.c.). Also we're not acting like wins/losses against people you practice didn't happen, but if they don't show that they can consistently beat other people of their friends level(or at least around it) then we will take that into consideration. Also I think I know what the problem people are having with this rule and i'll try and bring it up with the panel lol. You worded it a bit better than everyone else, so thanks for that. :D

You don't assume anything, lol.

You see that Ralph_Cecil has lost to Smile and count it as a bad loss.

And you count that Smile has beaten Ralph_Cecil and count it as a signature win considering apparently what Ralph has done this season.

The whole situation about me and Smile though is about how inconsistent his win on me is and why. I was one of his only notable wins, along with Eric I believe, who he had a positive record with. Me and Eric are also his main source(Possibly only source too including the rest of Greenup) for practice. Feels like there's a pattern there. The only consistency he had was beating average players, and Greenup/Morehead. Also it's not like this was the only situation we had involving inconsistencies with people who practice together lol.


EDIT:I also think that we might be adding links to the panelists Facebooks in the OP, so it will be easier to contact us about PR related things. o-o

EDIT2: Also just to clarify, because I think I don't remember if I said this for sure, but when deciding the PR we didn't disregard anyone's wins and losses entirely because of who they practice with,but the only inconsistencies we had also coincidentally had that in common. Unless people have a problem with us wanting to see consistency and some variety in people's results then this situation shouldn't really be a problem anymore lol. Also I gust want to state it again I think I know what people's main problem with this rule is and i'll try and talk to the panel about this.

 

[Judo777]

I thought it was common place to assume that placement does not matter, only the specific wins you have. For example, Smile got to 2nd at a tournament only beating Ralph as a PR player :v.

I don't get it, are you implying that I usually have easy brackets. I hope not because most of the people in the state will admit that I usually have notoriously hard brackets. And if the PR looks anything like what I think it will, I have a 100% record out not only outplacing people on the PR above me, but beating them in the process to getting there (of the ones I played at the specific event).

Like for example at the Lex ranbats (true for others but I will just mention Kero) I not only outplace Kero but beat him to get to that placing. At the cincy one (can't remember the name) I not only out placed Ralph but beat him to get to that placing.

So I don't get it do we just count notable wins? Because notable wins always turns into large circle jerks of x beating y who one time beat zs.

Lastly going off of Ralphs last post my notable wins versus other PRed members should therefore not be disregarded due to there being absolutely no inconsistencies with by placing and wins/losses in any tournaments this season