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The Official Geno Thread
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Meta_Sonic64
Smash Master
I doubt we'll see anymore until after release.
Machspeed
Smash Lord
Wow, Mattheiu saying Geno in Brawl is okay?
Today must be a good day.
Rest assured, with the doc gone, there's a good two open spots for the Mario series.
GhostAnime
Smash Ace
if Geno makes it and Bowser Jr. doesn't, it's not Geno's fault.
Cold Beans
Smash Apprentice
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gens don need his shotgun though
IkexMarth
Smash Journeyman
Meta_Sonic64
Smash Master
Right, blame Sakurai
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Deleted member
Guest
One person said:
"Because he is owned by Square."
I doubt it was Mathieu but whoever said it received a cookie from me. Why? Well, just look at it.
"Geno should be an AT because he is owned by Square."
But, Mathieu, I'd like to know what you have against Geno, why you don't think he'll be PC and why you think he'll be an AT.
Meta_Sonic64
Smash Master
Maybe he had a bad experience with puppets as a child
I simply do not understand why a side character (strike one) from an old (strike two) third party (strike three) game should be playable in one of the most anticipated games of all time.
Geno was the main character in the game : No. I concede that without him, we wouldn't know what's going on. But still, this is a filler role that can be fullfilled by any character (i.e. Star Spirits in Paper Mario)
Sakurai likes retro: First, is could be argued that a game from 1996 isn't retro, especially considering the PlayStation was out in 1995 in the US, and the N64 was already released in Japan when RPG came out. That said, do not mention Pit, or the Ice Climbers. They were the main characters in their game. Anyone who played the games remembers them. We couldn't say the same for Geno, because only the majority of Mario RPG players remember him, not the totality.
He's not third-party: Yes, he is. The reason why he was listed under the Mario series is that he is a third-party character from a first-party series.
Geno was the main character in the game : No. I concede that without him, we wouldn't know what's going on. But still, this is a filler role that can be fullfilled by any character (i.e. Star Spirits in Paper Mario)
Sakurai likes retro: First, is could be argued that a game from 1996 isn't retro, especially considering the PlayStation was out in 1995 in the US, and the N64 was already released in Japan when RPG came out. That said, do not mention Pit, or the Ice Climbers. They were the main characters in their game. Anyone who played the games remembers them. We couldn't say the same for Geno, because only the majority of Mario RPG players remember him, not the totality.
He's not third-party: Yes, he is. The reason why he was listed under the Mario series is that he is a third-party character from a first-party series.
Chasesin
Smash Apprentice
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
1) Not all characters in smash are main characters...so I never saw that as a real reason...Not to mention that's very shallow...
2) Since when does time matter? I still play NES games...I still like NES games and characters...SNES was one of the best days for me though especially...again...I see no point..This game isn't made to only have new characters...It's a combination of ALL Nintendo history
3) It wasn't a third party game, it was developed by BOTH Nintendo AND Square. So was Geno...whether he is now owned by Square or not doesn't make him any less of a Mario character, which he is considered FIRST...
Teeb147
Smash Legend
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You dont choose who's in the game though, sakurai does, and sakurai goes according to demand, and Geno is in demand, that's all you need to know
Meta_Sonic64
Smash Master
Sakurai doesn't go completely for demand, Sakurai doesn't add characters only b/c of popularity, well atleast not all of them anyway.
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Guest
That ain't stopping Geno. Besides, he is more of a 2nd 1/2 party because the creator of Geno works for a Nintendo second party team. They got away with putting Geno in a cameo by just saying he is owned by Square but the creator of him, who works at Alpha Dreams, still has rights.
GhostAnime
Smash Ace
how you compared the Star Spirits with Geno is beyond me.
Machspeed
Smash Lord
A.) Geno was not a filler character in the least bit. Please tell me how a star possessed doll's shoes can be filled by any other character? Mario could've been anyone himself, as he was just sort of a vantage/meeting point for the rest of the members of SMRPG. Geno however, was significant to the plot, he was just hanging onto Mario for the ride, along with Mallow, Bowser and Peach. They could've done it without him. Generally anyone who touched the SMRPG, remembers Geno at least, or can recognize him if they see him definently.
B.) Geno's not retro, I'll give you that, but he's well on his way to becoming a retro character. Geno could be considered the main character, because once again, I'll mention this point; do you honestly think Nintendo would put Mario in a game with a 3rd party company with him as the side character? Mario will NEVER be a side character in his game, and it's even more foolish to do so in a 3rd party game.
C.) Nobody really knows Geno's party status down to the key. For all we know, with the announcing of Brawl, Nintendo could've just bought Geno for future games, as well as Brawl itself. Alpha Dream was the team who created Geno, which is second party to both Square-Enix and Nintendo. Alpha Dream was the one who was able to make the connection to get Geno in as a cameo for M&L:SS.
It's easy to twist facts to your favor. You can't say Geno was the ''hero'' of SMRPG under any definition of the term. SMRPG was a bit like Final Fantasy VI. There was no real hero (though Mario comes close, because children were used to see him as a hero). Each character had their own motivations to beat Smithy.
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
Well, it was called LEGEND OF THE 7 STARS...and the only person that really had to do with the stars was Geno...
Machspeed
Smash Lord
And Geno's motivation was the most important to the story and plot.
Regain the seventh star so those in Mushroom Kingdom could have their wishes granted again.
You have to play SMRPG to know that. It is unlikely that Sakurai did.
He didn't need to play Ice Climber to know who was the main character.
Machspeed
Smash Lord
Sakurai doesn't go blindly adding characters to the roster; he does a bit of research before-hand. He chooses the characters who offer the most potential, in his eyes, to the roster.
Kind of like my Mortal Kombat Scorpion reference; a character that doesn't fit Smash, and Sakurai would definently dig in deep enough to figure that out.
the_Capt_Falcon_Master
Smash Lord
-both geno and and the star spirits need mario's help to collect stars
-both geno and a star spirit is playable
-twink is playable at one point in paper mario and by the end of the game he becomes a star spirit
-the only differences they have are that geno has some fans and that the star spirits are fully owned by nintendo while geno is not.
Jazzy Jinx
♥♪!?
WRONG!
Geno is a PARTNER, not a tool.
He's his own character.
He interacts with the other characters on an emotional level now and then unlike the star spirits that just say thank you and became tools afterwards.
And did you forget that the star spirits were the things you RESCUED in the game? I don't recall Geno being the main item to get in the game... But certainly the main partner.
Also, an interesting tibid. Square did toss around the idea to make Geno a MAIN CHARACTER in his OWN game for the sequel to SMRPG. They just never got around to it due to legal restrictions. Read up on your SMRPG history.
Super Smash Master
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Omg geno item 4 brawl
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
Ooh, very nice
the_Capt_Falcon_Master
Smash Lord
twink interacted with many characters too. And i had forgotten that you actually collected the star spirits, but they were the ones that granted people their wishes, and were the ones that sent mario on his adventure. They were also able to give mario special powers. And i dont think geno was ever able to do that.
As incredible as it might seem, it is possible that Sakurai doesn't care about such details.
Jazzy Jinx
♥♪!?
Twink never traveled with you.
Geno had his OWN special attacks making it even better. Mario doesn't waste a turn doing some assisted attack and Geno can attack as well.
This is a very, very poor comparison.
@Mat: You are very ignorant, you know that? If Sakurai didn't care then Geno wouldn't have placed third on the poll and as incredible as it may sound to you, the polls DO matter. The polls DID have relevance. Sakurai opened the polls for a REASON.
He didn't do it so he could see who was popular or whatever. He did it to see which characters INTERESTED him. And you can sit here and deny it up and down all you want but Sakurai IS interested in him.
Geno had his OWN special attacks making it even better. Mario doesn't waste a turn doing some assisted attack and Geno can attack as well.
This is a very, very poor comparison.
@Mat: You are very ignorant, you know that? If Sakurai didn't care then Geno wouldn't have placed third on the poll and as incredible as it may sound to you, the polls DO matter. The polls DID have relevance. Sakurai opened the polls for a REASON.
He didn't do it so he could see who was popular or whatever. He did it to see which characters INTERESTED him. And you can sit here and deny it up and down all you want but Sakurai IS interested in him.
GhostAnime
Smash Ace
okay.
big deal. Geno's with you the whole game and he actually helps you throughout it too.
Twink wasn't playable; all he did was follow Peach.
1. having fans is a good difference, because Geno is actually wanted.
2. Geno not being owned by Nintendo doesn't really stop Sakurai's judgment of him as a whole.
the comparison is ridiculous. yeah, they need Mario's help, but Geno was playable in a FUN way. he has a larger fanbase for a reason. enough strawman arguments.
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
Since you don't know Sakurai on a personal level, there is hardly any reason to present that as an arguement...
That works in both ways genius.
prettymanfairy
Smash Lord
Actually, I happen to know Sakurai has a doll fetish, so he'll definetly be in.
GhostAnime
Smash Ace
you see, the thing is, the guy was only trying to prove your ridiculous Star Spirit comparison idiotic.
he wasn't trying to say that that's why Sakurai would add him.
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
We weren't talking about Sakurai or why/if he likes/ cares about Geno, only YOU were...
We were talking about Geno, his game, etc
Stay in the arguement, unless that's too hard for you.
I was referring to what you fanboys use as arguments most of the time...
''Sakurai likes retro''
''Sakurai is interested in Geno'' (the entries can be interpreted in different ways, we've discussed that)
''Sakurai does deep research and has played SMRPG''
''Sakurai likes retro''
''Sakurai is interested in Geno'' (the entries can be interpreted in different ways, we've discussed that)
''Sakurai does deep research and has played SMRPG''
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
Well, we do have proof he has some interest in Geno, since he listed him 5 times (and his unofficial theme) in his journal and asked around about the character...If that doesn't show interest I don't know what does
That's irrelevant to this discussion anyway
domriver
Smash Lord
Hey PsychoIncarnate is that Journal around in the net? If you happen to have the link may I read it please? I've been trying to find it.