FrogButler
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I think Claus would be ALOT like Young Link.
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Hopefully you can kind of see where I'm coming from now.two "more" adding on to Melee? as in four reps for a fairly small franchise? thats seems unlikely...
No, no. As RegalBuster explained, I meant two "more" as in two more than we already know. Since Fox is already confirmed for Brawl, I just meant that StarFox would get three reps total for Brawl.
so a huge franchise like FE only gets two reps, but Star Fox gets four?...
See the above explanation. Three for each is reasonable, I suppose.
I just lost a small amount of respect for you... and no, I'm not being sarcastic. theres NO reason why you shouldn't support K. Rool...
Besides the fact that I just don't like him? Don't get me wrong--if the DK series gets another rep, he is a shoo-in. But I don't like the way he looks, I don't find him an appealing character, and--frankly--I'm just not terribly enthused about the DK series as a whole. I'm not against seeing them in Brawl or anything; I'm just not bouncing with glee to see them.
he's returning. he's the original FE lord, stared in two games plus is having his first game remade for the DS, and is still one of the most popular lords even though his game is old. I don't see how people can even begin to doubt his return
I dunno. To me, Ike and Marth are pretty similar, at least aesthetically. Similar body structure, similar design (except Marth is more of a consummate bishounen than Ike), similar Special Moves, etc. I haven't played the Fire Emblem series, so I admittedly can only offer an outsider's perspective, but they just seem too similar to me. It seems kind of like the whole Lucas-Ness issue, if you ask me.
it's not an either-or scenario. either they both get in, or Mewtwo does. contrary to popular belief, Lucario does not, IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, have priority over Mewtwo. I'm not blaming you for this, but I'm sick and tired of having to explain this! the only reason Lucario has ANY type of importance over most other Pokemon is that he was in a movie. well guess what, Mewtwo was in TWO! one of them being the first one, the other, it's sequel. he also has importance in the actual games themselves, as being the ORIGINAL super legendary Pokemon. something which Lucario isn't even close to being. he was also already in Melee, with an ORIGINAL move set! the only problem was that he sucked due to his stats; some thing that can easily be fixed in Brawl.
I dunno how the whole Lucario thing grew to such proportions. No offense taken; I don't necessarily agree with the way Lucario has been played up to be Mewtwo's successor, but it is a pretty big phenomenon. I would be surprised to see an original character like Mewtwo be scrapped in favor of Lucario, but if it should come to that, expect to see another Lucas situation: Shadow Ball will become Aura Sphere, Disable becomes Detect, etc. Personally, I would much rather see Mewtwo stay and welcome Lucario alongside him--at the very least because he was an original character in Melee. (As far as Psychic Pokémon go, though, I'm an Espeon / Alakazam kinda guy. )
so in short, Mewtwo is more important and ISN'T going to be replaced by some random Pokemon who was lucky enough to be in a movie. seriously, if they made a Movie staring Nosepass, should he then be in Brawl?
Depends on who you ask. Haha, really, though, I agree. Mewtwo has more "clout," so to speak. Time will tell, I guess.
Minda's not important enough to the series as a whole to be in Brawl. Vaati and Tingle have priority over her. (and I'm not being sarcastic with Tingle. he actually does have priority over her)
But is Ike as important as Marth to the FE series as a whole? Better yet: is Lucas more important than Ness? (I would say a resounding "yes.") While seniority has its place, I also think that the neophiles must be appeased as well. Not only that, but Midna is a pretty cool character in her own right. As we've seen, all of the Zelda characters shown thus far have conformed to their TP incarnations, and the Bridge of Eldin was the first Zelda stage featured. I wouldn't doubt seeing Midna in some form.
And I'm glad to see someone else who likes Tingle! I always liked the chap back on Great Bay. I wouldn't have any objections were he to earn a spot on the roster, but I'm sure a slew of others would.
Agreed. finally! D:
Indeed.
anyways, closing point: I'm guessing at LEAST 40 characters, but I think 45 may be likely. now back on Claus!
do you think Claus should be a fast character, or more of a medium speed? I think medium; one, because I don't see him as being a fast character, and two, because I don't like fast character.
you just had to put your responses INSIDE the quote box, didn't you?I'll respond in red, just for clarity's sake.
Hopefully you can kind of see where I'm coming from now.
I would say probably about the same speed as Lucas--not too fast, but not intolerably slow. Medium sounds just right. They are brothers, after all.
Of course! I can't make things easy for you, now can I?you just had to put your responses INSIDE the quote box, didn't you?
No problem. It was easily misinterpreted.anyways, whoopsie on the number of reps part I misunderstood it.
No, he's the only other truly deserving DK rep. I just don't like him.I see where you stand on K. Rool now, so it's good. I though you were against him being in brawl, but it seems your not.
None taken. I don't have the hands-on impressions to back up my opinion, and--truthbetold--I wasn't interested enough in Ike to read much about him in Brawl. Thanks for the heads-up.and Marth and Ike are exact opposites of each other in Brawl... exact opposites. Ike is slow to the point wheres he's practically unusable, and ALL his attacks (including his specials. except for counter) are different from Marth's. it's been proven that they are NOTHING ALIKE at all, except in terms of basic look (which doesn't mean a thing). Ike actually has more attacks that resemble LINKS attacks (such as his down air) than Marth. your opinion means nothing in this situation (no offence), because it has been proven wrong by facts.
Hm...I think you're misreading what I mean. I'm not saying that TP will be the ONLY series represented; such a claim is easily falsified by the Temple stage (Zelda II) and the Ocarina of Time medley. And I would never say to cut Ganondorf, especially not when his TP-esque character model was passed on to Sakurai's team.and don't get me wrong. I LOVE Midna as a character, but she just isn't important enough to the series as a whole. just because the Zelda characters have their TP looks DOES NOT MEAN that they are ONLY representing that one game! I don't see where people get off saying nonsense like this...
hypothetically speaking, lets say Ganondorf wasn't in TP, but Link and Zelda still had their TP looks in Brawl. are you saying that Ganondorf should be cut, because he doesn't fit with the "TP theme". no, because thats a stupid thing to say. Ganondorf would still be in because he's important to the series as a whole.
another thing to think of. if the Zelda characters in Brawl DIDN'T use their TP look, hardly anyone would think that Midna has a chance. the only reason people say she's likely is because of the design change, which is a stupid reason...
That makes me think of every abhorrent song imaginable, but I DO like me some Tingle.and Tingle is awesome., he's a pimp, with money in the bank.
I endorse this idea! I'll have to bust out my creative skillz.but yes... WE ARE DONE WITH THIS! CLAUS TALK NAOW!!
you think we should have some sort of contest? Like a Claus fan art contest or something... just trying to spark some fun.
:COf course! I can't make things easy for you, now can I?
super fantastic! glad to clrea things up. I really can't stand it when people go around saying that "Ike iz replasing Martha LULZ!1", because you can't replace a character with someone who is nothing like them...None taken. I don't have the hands-on impressions to back up my opinion, and--truthbetold--I wasn't interested enough in Ike to read much about him in Brawl. Thanks for the heads-up.
heres the thing though, just because Minda is very important in a recent game (even if it is awesome), doesn't mean shes important to the whole series. if you ask me, Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf are really the only characters that NEED to be in Brawl, because they are the main recurring characters, and holders of the Triforce. I personally think the series would be represented fine if it was just those three; but seeing as Zelda is one of Nintendo's biggest games, it will probably get more. and really, I don't think Midna is important enough to the entire series to represent the franchise. Vaati would represent the Four Sword spin-off games, for example: thats important to the franchise, which makes him deserving of a brawl spot.I don't think that the TP looks are the reason that Midna has a chance, but I think they reinforce her chances. Midna was arguably the main character of TP, and being such an important figure in the latest and (debatably) greatest console Zelda game does warrant some representation. The updated looks and the Bridge of Eldin stage just reassert the fact that Brawl WILL represent TP in multiple ways, and I wouldn't doubt Midna's chances.
yush! I'll have a motive to draw, which is good, because I usually stop after a while if I'm doing it for fun...I endorse this idea! I'll have to bust out my creative skillz.
3/4 MOTHER things confirmed so far, and Porky himself is the last. The music update doesn't SHOW the name change directly. It just says Porky. Seriously, his chances are so high right now.What are we missing? Lucas, Franklin Badge, New Pork City... Does Porky's Theme count as revealing the Porky thing? I mean, it at least shows the name change.
I agree that 3 is pushing it as far as MOTHER representation goes, just because of the relatively limited nature of the franchise.
I agree that StarFox will probably get 2 more reps, and I suppose FE might (although I might prefer just 1 more). If K. Rool says "hi," though, I'll just slam the door in his face. I dunno about Marth returning...if he does, we will probably see 3 FE reps, but without him we'll only have 2.
Olimar is very likely, I agree; ditto Lucario and/or Mewtwo. A Mario newcomer is still iffy, but we'll surely see a new Zelda character. Fingers crossed for Midna and/or Wolf Link!
I'm sure we'll get at least 2 MOTHER reps at this point, and all signs point to Claus.
this is WAY off topic, but Ouen, your Van Karma sig thing TOTALLY matches up with the beat of Bohemian Rhapsody!3/4 MOTHER things confirmed so far, and Porky himself is the last. The music update doesn't SHOW the name change directly. It just says Porky. Seriously, his chances are so high right now.
you'll be fine. I've gone through a few of these myself. usually they turn out to be just gas...I'm really skeptical about Claus lately... don't know why, hopefully it's nothing, I just want him to be in SO much.
Hm...I guess you're right. But the only way they could really "demonstrate" this is through a SSE vid that clearly spoils it. Would they really do that on the DOJO? Just a thought.3/4 MOTHER things confirmed so far, and Porky himself is the last. The music update doesn't SHOW the name change directly. It just says Porky. Seriously, his chances are so high right now.
Trust me: so do I! Claus is the one character that I want over any other, and I will truly be upset if he is merely cast aside. Just keep those fingers crossed, buddy.I'm really skeptical about Claus lately... don't know why, hopefully it's nothing, I just want him to be in SO much.
It pretty much rules out the other playable characters. Always a plus, haha. (Not to say that Kumatora isn't likely, but I would expect Duster over her.)Claus didn't show up as an AT. Duster did. This may slightly help his chances.
What's this from, when did you find it and... wow...
don't know how true this is, but it's AWESOME if it is... however, I think it might be wishful thinking.
I don't know what Magazine it's from; someone posted it in the Lucas Move discussion thread, and said he found it on Wikipedia... I checked the link, but didn't see that picture anywhere, or mention of a DS compilation. thats why I don't think this is true :CWhat's this from, when did you find it and... wow...
You have good reason to be skeptical because he won't be a playable character.I'm really skeptical about Claus lately... don't know why, hopefully it's nothing, I just want him to be in SO much.
Thats not very nice.You have good reason to be skeptical because he won't be a playable character.
WOW SAKURAI. I didn't know you read these forums!You have good reason to be skeptical because he won't be a playable character.
It's called critical thought, try it sometime.WOW SAKURAI. I didn't know you read these forums!
I'm not sure if you know this or not but.. Sakurai was apart of the creation of Mother 3, and if you look at Metaknight another creation of Sakurai.. you can see a similarity.. and seeing as Sakurai isn't being as modest with his Characters anymore plus his liking of the game Mother 3.. Claus could actually appear as playable...It's called critical thought, try it sometime.
It's really old... really, really old. I've seen that article before, when it was posted on another forum, over a year ago, if I recall correctly. Nothing ever came from it, unfortunately.I don't know what Magazine it's from; someone posted it in the Lucas Move discussion thread, and said he found it on Wikipedia... I checked the link, but didn't see that picture anywhere, or mention of a DS compilation. thats why I don't think this is true :C
...He's a psychic cyborg brought back from the dead by a malevolent invading force who wields a beam sword, a ray gun, and mental control over lightning. He can sprout a pair of mechanical wings and a jetpack, and he constantly wears a helmet with a visor on his left eye which casts just enough of a shadow that you can't make out his true identity under the helmet. If you think that's not "outright cool", then I don't know what to say to you. >_>Mother really doesn't have a big fanbase outside of Japan. I will be shocked if Claus does get in, he's not outright "cool" like Metaknight is, he's not really obscure, and because of his small fanbase there really is no reason to put him in as playable.
Mother is an awesome series deserving of multiple reps...Mother really doesn't have a big fanbase outside of Japan. I will be shocked if Claus does get in, he's not outright "cool" like Metaknight is, he's not really obscure, and because of his small fanbase there really is no reason to put him in as playable.
I'm sure someone will come along and delude themselves into thinking that Claus will somehow make the cut. The fact is even if we do have a 40 character roster, which I doubt at times, Mother does not in any way deserve another rep after Lucas, it's absurd.
Quote me on any of this if need be, Claus won't be in.
Ok, since you've now put a statement larger than 'You have good reason to be skeptical because he won't be a playable character.' I'll say why you're wrong. Simple, you don't know, I don't know, you can say he's unlikely, but saying he won't be in no matter what isn't critical thought.It's called critical thought, try it sometime.
neither did Fire Emblem at the time of Melee, but it got two.Mother really doesn't have a big fanbase outside of Japan.
I wouldn't.I will be shocked if Claus does get in
opinion, and doesn't matter anyways.he's not outright "cool" like Metaknight is
I know... I mean, how can Claus compete with the popularity of character like Pit and Ice Climbers!?...because of his small fanbase there really is no reason to put him in as playable.
opinion. I don't think Star Fox deserves a another rep after Fox. that doesn't mean he won't get one, now does it?Mother does not in any way deserve another rep after Lucas, it's absurd.
Quote me on this if need be, your a d!ckQuote me on any of this if need be, Claus won't be in.
But there is a fanbase outside of Japan nonetheless--and a very devoted one, at that. Moreover, the MOTHER fans in Japan are much more widespread and probably equally devoted as the most hardcore fans over here (perhaps even more so!). Claus is infinitely cooler than Meta Knight in my opinion, but two opinions that cancel each other out don't really mean much, huh? I would wager that Claus has more fans than any other MOTHER 3 character (Lucas aside), and possibly more than some other characters (IC, G&W, Pichu, etc.). Don't discount the Masked Boy just yet.Mother really doesn't have a big fanbase outside of Japan. I will be shocked if Claus does get in, he's not outright "cool" like Metaknight is, he's not really obscure, and because of his small fanbase there really is no reason to put him in as playable.
Claus has enough popularity to be noteworthy, more than Roy and Marth at the time of their inclusion to Melee. Even then, since when did a fanbase matter so much to the game? Last time I checked, Game & Watch didn't have a gigantic group following his inclusion to melee. Sakurai said himself, adding only popular characters is boring, and it's simply not what he plans to do.Mother really doesn't have a big fanbase outside of Japan. I will be shocked if Claus does get in, he's not outright "cool" like Metaknight is, he's not really obscure, and because of his small fanbase there really is no reason to put him in as playable.
I'm sure someone will come along and delude themselves into thinking that Claus will somehow make the cut. The fact is even if we do have a 40 character roster, which I doubt at times, Mother does not in any way deserve another rep after Lucas, it's absurd.
Quote me on any of this if need be, Claus won't be in.
I hope it's true. I REALLY do.
You're such an idiot, don't reply to this jackass.You have good reason to be skeptical because he won't be a playable character.
It looks doubtful he'll be back anyway, he seems to just enjoy going into threads and saying a character won't be in, to quote him on it, then leaves as soon as anyone argues against him. I was just reading him in the Megaman topic.You're such an idiot, don't reply to this jackass.
I suggested a Claus fan art contest a few pages back. Aries was interested in it, but I don't know about every one else.Anyway, there's not much I can think of to discuss about Claus atm.
One thing I noticed the first time I saw his battle sprite, he looks like Luke Skywalker in his pilot gear, with the light saber, helmet, orange trousers, black shoes. Lol.
I meant Porky. I see Claus' chances being at about... 65%.Hm...I guess you're right. But the only way they could really "demonstrate" this is through a SSE vid that clearly spoils it. Would they really do that on the DOJO? Just a thought.
And by "his chances," who do you mean--Porky or Claus? Here's hoping for the latter. (****, I wish reidman had more info...)
Trust me: so do I! Claus is the one character that I want over any other, and I will truly be upset if he is merely cast aside. Just keep those fingers crossed, buddy.
It pretty much rules out the other playable characters. Always a plus, haha. (Not to say that Kumatora isn't likely, but I would expect Duster over her.)
Because Young Link has a jetpack, arm cannon, mechanical wings, and a sword that controls lightning.I think Claus would be ALOT like Young Link.
thats it? I'm thinking at least 75-80%...I see Claus' chances being at about... 65%.
if you mean out of him and Ness, yeah, but in the game, I'm still not sure. I really hope so. Also nice find of that Luke Skywalker pic.thats it? I'm thinking at least 75-80%...
Where would the connection between MOTHER2 and 3 be?Starmen.net never said anything about Porky being playable, I don't think he'll go beyond a Subspace Boss, although it would be great if he was playable, it would be the perfect connection between Mother 2 and Mother 3.