The Official: Anti-sonic Thread (updated 9/13)

[Yukiwarashi]

Just to make a little statement...

Dragon Ball first started in 1985. Dragon Ball Z started in 1989, so yes, Sonic would've given a homage (not a ripoff) to the Dragon Ball series.

 

[Sonink]

seems like sega is reaching.... and runing out of collective creative

And Nintendo isn't?

There's two or three times as many Mario Party / Sports games as there is real games. At least we don't have to put up with Sonic Tennis / Basketball / Soccer / Hockey / Curling rehashed every year.

 

[silver777]

While I don't agree with the methodology of this thread, I can honestly say I would not miss Sonic one bit if he failed to make it into Brawl.

Thumb's up

don't buy Sonic games people, it is a waste of money.

 

[NeoSoul]

And Nintendo isn't?

There's two or three times as many Mario Party / Sports games as there is real games. At least we don't have to put up with Sonic Tennis / Basketball / Soccer / Hockey / Curling rehashed every year.

yet somehow those games sell....... because theyre fun, accessible and easy to program... sega has a sports series that they pur out every year... that it doesnt have anything to do with sonic is another story...

the party series is just that, a party... after a few sessions the games cycle and the gameplay becomes stale so its necessary to put out another batch the upcoming year... and each title makes use of a new peripheral IE mic, wii mote etc...

if any of the later sonic games had enough pull you'd see the same franchise milking.... but the games are awful to mediocre.... sega let that franchise go to waste... come to think of it what franchise do they have thats worthwhile? jet set radio future? shenmue?? Vectorman??? Shinobi????

Sonic Died with the dreamcast

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

yet somehow those games sell....... because theyre fun, accessible and easy to program... sega has a sports series that they pur out every year... that it doesnt have anything to do with sonic is another story...

the party series is just that, a party... after a few sessions the games cycle and the gameplay becomes stale so its necessary to put out another batch the upcoming year... and each title makes use of a new peripheral IE mic, wii mote etc...

if any of the later sonic games had enough pull you'd see the same franchise milking.... but the games are awful to mediocre.... sega let that franchise go to waste... come to think of it what franchise do they have thats worthwhile? jet set radio future? shenmue?? Vectorman??? Shinobi????

Sonic Died with the dreamcast

I liked Jet Set Radio Future...

 

[NeoSoul]

I liked Jet Set Radio Future...

great.... make a thread

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

great.... make a thread

Why........?

 

[silver777]

Well both of those Mario games sucked as well...the wii one looks good but Mario has gone just as downhill as Sonic

......urge...to...kill.....rising....

are you **** idiot??? check any ANY gameing website and see what is their #1 franchise...

oh wait.....IT IS MARIO....Duh!!!

and Sonic isn't in the top ten ATT ALL.

wonder why...... BECAUSE HIS GAMES SUCK THATS WHY.

thanks to Mario that I became a gamer,he has near never had a bad game and has is a huge part of gaming history.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

......urge...to...kill.....rising....

are you **** idiot??? check any ANY gameing website and see what is their #1 franchise...

oh wait.....IT IS MARIO....Duh!!!

and Sonic isn't in the top ten ATT ALL.

wonder why...... BECAUSE HIS GAMES SUCK THATS WHY.

thanks to Mario that I became a gamer,he has near never had a bad game and has is a huge part of gaming history.

I hate his new games...I didn't much like sunshine...Why is mario cleaning up polution or whatever??? And the new Super Mario Bros wasn't that good compared to 3...


I like how the wii one is shaping up but it still doesn't match 3

 

[Circus]

*HEAD DESK*

Why would you EVER hold a character's games against it? This has absolutely nothing to do with Sonic's games. It has everything to do with Sonic as a character.

In fact, Sonic's ****ty games only better prove that point. Sonic's been hammering off bunk games like it's his job, yet Sonic fans remain loyal. That's because Sonic, as a character, is fantastic. And truly iconic. He's become such a superpower that Sega is able to completely disregard quality in games and people will still buy. People just love the Blue Blur.

I'm astounded at the number of posts I've seen in here about Sonic's games sucking. That's neither here nor there. Sonic is a good character. Period. You may not like him, but his fanbase can't be denied.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

*HEAD DESK*

Why would you EVER hold a character's games against it? This has absolutely nothing to do with Sonic's games. It has everything to do with Sonic as a character.

In fact, Sonic's ****ty games only better prove that point. Sonic's been hammering off bunk games like it's his job, yet Sonic fans remain loyal. That's because Sonic, as a character, is fantastic. And truly iconic. He's become such a superpower that Sega is able to completely disregard quality in games and people will still buy. People just love the Blue Blur.

I'm astounded at the number of posts I've seen in here about Sonic's games sucking. That's neither here nor there. Sonic is a good character. Period. You may not like him, but his fanbase can't be denied.

Exactly, I've been trying to proove this point but you worded it a lot better

 

[NeoSoul]

*HEAD DESK*

Why would you EVER hold a character's games against it? This has absolutely nothing to do with Sonic's games. It has everything to do with Sonic as a character.

In fact, Sonic's ****ty games only better prove that point. Sonic's been hammering off bunk games like it's his job, yet Sonic fans remain loyal. That's because Sonic, as a character, is fantastic. And truly iconic. He's become such a superpower that Sega is able to completely disregard quality in games and people will still buy. People just love the Blue Blur.

I'm astounded at the number of posts I've seen in here about Sonic's games sucking. That's neither here nor there. Sonic is a good character. Period. You may not like him, but his fanbase can't be denied.

oh man oh man oh man.......



so.... much......PHAIL

ok Im gonna leave this alone.... yea games have nothin to do with a generic characters design... talking anthromorphic characters, with attitude! Brilliant now where have i seen that before......

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

oh man oh man oh man.......



so.... much......PHAIL

ok Im gonna leave this alone.... yea games have nothin to do with a generic characters design... talking anthromorphic characters, with attitude! Brilliant now where have i seen that before......

YET, you cannot argue against a fan base that is SO massive that it overwhelms the fact that the games have sucked.

 

[NeoSoul]

YET, you cannot argue against a fan base that is SO massive that it overwhelms the fact that the games have sucked.

ok im open to this tell me one moment in a sonic game that truly stood out.... that it made you say man this is gaming history right here

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Sonic Died with the dreamcast

Correction: Sonic died with Traveler's Tales and their absolutely atrocious Sonic 3-D Blast.

As for Sonic actually being in Brawl, well...he's got a better chance than most of the third party characters out there (no offense, but Viewtiful Joe and those other guys listed on the first post are kind of out there. Especially the latter two). He may not have started out on the Nintendo systems, sure, but Sega and Nintendo have been shelling out exclusive, portable-only titles for a few years now (Sonic's "Advance" series, "Rush" series, and "Battle" series). The only Nintendo-exclusive Sonic titles on the bigger Nintendo systems (that I can think of) are Sonic Adventure DX: Director's Cut (for Gamecube), Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games (for the Wii), and Sonic and the Seven Rings (for the Wii). Such a close relationship between the two companies implies a respectable measure of good fortune on his inclusion in Brawl's roster.

I am a fan of the Blue Blur; however, I like to pay homage to the 16 bit classics and not the crap that Sega has thrown out there over the past few years (I hate the new Sonic games with a fiery passion, both console and portable). Despite my fandom, however, I'm not too terribly concerned about Sonic's insertion into Brawl---not because I'm totally confident that he'll be in, but simply because I don't care that much. I'd be more pissed off if a character like, say, Ridley wouldn't make it in (it isn't to say that I like Ridley more than Sonic; the opposite is actually true) because, meritoriously speaking, Ridley is a proper Nintendo rep and is an excellent choice for a Nintendo-themed game like Brawl. Because he is third party and has not emanated from a Nintendo system, it kinda hurts Sonic's chances. Yes, yes---I know Sakurai's poll had Sonic on there a bajillion times, but I still think those two facts still hurt his chances a little bit. Third-party characters like Megaman and Solid Snake have history with Nintendo; their respective franchises began on Ninty consoles. This fact makes their chances a bit better than Sonic (in the case of Megaman, at least. Snake's already been confirmed)---though not by any large margin.

Despite my grim and no-nonsense take on the issue, I'll still support Sonic's inclusion in Brawl.

I do respect your opinion, NeoSoul, but I feel as if you really worded this in a way that could garner some serious flak. As Buzz said, the methodology needs a little work. Word it in a way that won't piss off the Sonic fans.

Smooth Criminal

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

ok im open to this tell me one moment in a sonic game that truly stood out.... that it made you say man this is gaming history right here

I don't know...I never owned any Sega systems other than Dreamcast...

But I loved Sonic's adventure

 

[NeoSoul]

Correction: Sonic died with Traveler's Tales and their absolutely atrocious Sonic 3-D Blast.

As for Sonic actually being in Brawl, well...he's got a better chance than most of the third party characters out there (no offense, but Viewtiful Joe and those other guys listed on the first post are kind of out there. Especially the latter two). He may not have started out on the Nintendo systems, sure, but Sega and Nintendo have been shelling out exclusive, portable-only titles for a few years now (Sonic's "Advance" series, "Rush" series, and "Battle" series). The only Nintendo-exclusive Sonic titles on the bigger Nintendo systems (that I can think of) are Sonic Adventure DX: Director's Cut (for Gamecube), Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games (for the Wii), and Sonic and the Seven Rings (for the Wii). Such a close relationship between the two companies implies a respectable measure of good fortune on his inclusion in Brawl's roster.

I am a fan of the Blue Blur; however, I like to pay homage to the 16 bit classics and not the crap that Sega has thrown out there over the past few years (I hate the new Sonic games with a fiery passion, both console and portable). Despite my fandom, however, I'm not too terribly concerned about Sonic's insertion into Brawl---not because I'm totally confident that he'll be in, but simply because I don't care that much. I'd be more pissed off if a character like, say, Ridley wouldn't make it in (it isn't to say that I like Ridley more than Sonic; the opposite is actually true) because, meritoriously speaking, Ridley is a proper Nintendo rep and is an excellent choice for a Nintendo-themed game like Brawl. Because he is third party and has not emanated from a Nintendo system, it kinda hurts Sonic's chances. Yes, yes---I know Sakurai's poll had Sonic on there a bajillion times, but I still think those two facts still hurt his chances a little bit. Third-party characters like Megaman and Solid Snake have history with Nintendo; their respective franchises began on Ninty consoles. This fact makes their chances a bit better than Sonic---though not by any large margin.

Despite my grim and no-nonsense take on the issue, I'll still support Sonic's inclusion in Brawl.

I do respect your opinion, NeoSoul, but I feel as if you really worded this in a way that could garner some serious flak. As Buzz said, the methodology needs a little work. Word it in a way that won't piss off the Sonic fans.

Smooth Criminal

I alwasy felt that if somebody didnt get pissed off I didnt get my point across.... because opinions are meant to be opposed, and if mine is not being hated/embraced, its not being understood...
thanks for the outlook by the way...I wont say that I agree with all that the person said(regarding other 3rd party chars) but having sonic in brawl would/should be a more publicized event right? it wouldnt be in a sequel, I cant understand why exactly, but I recognize that sonic is a videogame icon... would the fans really appreciate just a cameo as a meaningless selectable character? if sonic is as iconic as these fans put him to be, is that the proper way to pay homage?

 

[NeoSoul]

I don't know...I never owned any Sega systems other than Dreamcast...

But I loved Sonic's adventure

great.... good point

 

[JonnyJinx]

Mario may have gone downhill, but I don't think they did quite as much as Sonic.

The 2D Sonic and Mario games... most were in the same league as eachother. There probably were more than a few bad ones, but anyway.

Mario's transition to 3D met mostly praise. Some people didn't like Sonic Adventure, but it wasn't too bad. Sonic Adventure 2? Yeah. It's alright I guess...

With Super Mario Sunshine and a large amount of sports games, the Mario series starts to go downhill, but while none of those are masterpieces, you can't say they're absolutely dreadful games (well, you probably can with some of them, but...)

Then Sonic's next major game is Sonic Heroes, which wasn't that great. It was kinda hard to control, plus a few other things, but it's still decent. But then there's Shadow the Hedgehog, which was clearly made quite quickly as a storyline filler. It pretty much reeks of sloppiness.

Then there's more sports games and New Super Mario Bros. NSMB was alright I guess, some people were let down, but whatever. It's not horrendous.

Then with Sonic there's the creatively named "Sonic the Hedgehog". This has a love-hate relationship, but mostly hate. It was glitchy with dreadful loading times and too little play time with Sonic. Plenty of complaints to be made... but then there's also Sonic and the Secret Rings, and some people consider it to be the best 3D Sonic game ever. Some just think it's the same old Sonic going more and more downhill.

So, I don't think Mario has gone down as much as Sonic's games have. But nonetheless, Sonic and Mario still have a large fanbase and whether you like Sonic or not, he may be appearing in Brawl. But what's the harm in it? Surely there's characters that people hated in Melee and the first one... What's the harm in one more character, especially when there's a fair amount of people requesting him in?

 

[NeoSoul]

Mario may have gone downhill, but I don't think they did quite as much as Sonic.

The 2D Sonic and Mario games... most were in the same league as eachother. There probably were more than a few bad ones, but anyway.

Mario's transition to 3D met mostly praise. Some people didn't like Sonic Adventure, but it wasn't too bad. Sonic Adventure 2? Yeah. It's alright I guess...

With Super Mario Sunshine and a large amount of sports games, the Mario series starts to go downhill, but while none of those are masterpieces, you can't say they're absolutely dreadful games (well, you probably can with some of them, but...)

Then Sonic's next major game is Sonic Heroes, which wasn't that great. It was kinda hard to control, plus a few other things, but it's still decent. But then there's Shadow the Hedgehog, which was clearly made quite quickly as a storyline filler. It pretty much reeks of sloppiness.

Then there's more sports games and New Super Mario Bros. NSMB was alright I guess, some people were let down, but whatever. It's not horrendous.

Then with Sonic there's the creatively named "Sonic the Hedgehog". This has a love-hate relationship, but mostly hate. It was glitchy with dreadful loading times and too little play time with Sonic. Plenty of complaints to be made... but then there's also Sonic and the Secret Rings, and some people consider it to be the best 3D Sonic game ever. Some just think it's the same old Sonic going more and more downhill.

So, I don't think Mario has gone down as much as Sonic's games have. But nonetheless, Sonic and Mario still have a large fanbase and whether you like Sonic or not, he may be appearing in Brawl. But what's the harm in it? Surely there's characters that people hated in Melee and the first one... What's the harm in one more character, especially when there's a fair amount of people requesting him in?

well I must thank you for being specific with the sonic games.....but points off for being so vague when it came to explaining marios 'decline'.... If any

 

[JonnyJinx]

Well, that's not the point, really. It's just quite often that people perceive Mario as having gone downhill. This happens with many game series'. I'm not saying it's right, it just happens.

 

[Amaggad]

I liked Jet Set Radio Future...

one of my favourite games

 

[RBinator]

I think it's time to counter the first post paragraph by paragraph.

I thought Id bring to light the most dishearted attempt at a gaming franchise. Marketed as a super fast, talking anthromorphized porcupine with 'attitude', sonic, the star of a series that peaked more than 10 years ago, hasen't done anything noteworthy to improve the platforming/sidescrolling genre...

I think Sonic not improving the platform genre is nothing more then opinion. If I'm not mistaken, Sonic set the Sega Genesis and ultimately Sega itself on the market. Before, there was the Master System, which seems to have been completely overshadowed by the NES. Heck, the Genesis came out two years before the SNES and despite being more advanced then the NES, I don't recall it having any worthwhile games. Once Sonic came alone, it changed many things. It was a very fast paced game compared to other platformers at the time. Also, there were many people who liked Sonic's "edgy" personality a lot more then Mario's. For once, Nintendo had an actual rival and were not simply the king of the video game market.

Im fully aware that there is a sonic thread, but thats to support/humor the idea of sonic appearing in Brawl to which I fully oppose... Other than being in mediocre games throughout his lifetime (Mediocre in the sense that youre supposed to go from point A to Point B but sonic is just ridiculous :|) and dont even get me started on the 3D efforts... just the Clipping issues alone are enough to frustrate the average gamer, save the crippling story line/dialog/quests etc.... I think the best thing about sonic Adventure was the Chao system and thats not saying much

If Sonic's original Genesis games were so mediocre, then how come they were so popular and considered great? Note I added great as well, because being popular doesn't mean the game is good. I consider Shadow the Hedgehog a horrible game despite it being popular and getting quite a bit of sales. It seems like otherwise you're going off of opinions a lot and while that's not to say that's a bad thing, it likely won't help see non-liked minded people see your side.

I was inspired to create this thread when i found this (Read the comments):

http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/JACK+of+No+Trades/sonic-vs-mario-fight--43247.phtml

and I realized that I wasnt alone. I truly believe the gaming community is putting sonic in a pedestal based on its survival and not its 'efforts' (or lack there of) to improve an aging franchise....

Reasons why Sonic will not be in Brawl-

1) He's totally over exposed. Sakurai has made a point in his games to not put the spotlight on over exposed characters more than nessisary. At least, that's how I see it.

2) Sonic hasn't been in a truly great game since the Genesis days. Every game since then has been at best above average (Secret Rings, Rush, Adventure) or awful (Sonic 360/PS3). The Sonic games, and their emphasis on image over substance, are perhaps a major reason why Sega jumped the shark. Why reward Sega and Sonic for that by putting him in Brawl?

3) Sonic is a third party character. So far the only third party character announced is Snake, and it's been said many times that the only reason this happened is Sakurai's friendship with Kojima. If there are more thrid party characters in Brawl, they will likely also be characters by Sakurai's friends, either Kojima (Boktia, Snatcher, Zone of the Enders), Suda 51 (Killer 7, No More Heroes, Contact, God Hand) or Mikami (Sweet Home, PN 03, Viewtiful Joe, Resident Evil, Phoenix Wright)

My bets for addition third party characters are on Travis Touchdown (No More Heroes), Viewtiful Joe, Vanessa (PN 03) and Phoenix Wright.

4) There is already a Mario and Sonic crossover coming this year. It makes it much less exciting to see Mario and Sonic together is it happens twice in less than a month. It's only exciting because people thought it would never happen. So to have it happen, then happen again a month after? Totally anti-climactic.

Just my opinion.

1: If being exposed was a problem, then how come some of Nintendo's most popular characters are already in the game? Snake couldn't be considered overexposed during that time due to Metal Gear Solid 4? The game may not be about popular characters only, but their still there.

2: I too believe that Sonic's newer games are craptastic, but it doesn't mean the character himself gone downhill the same way. However, I can see this argument being used for so many characters. I haven't seen Mario been at the same peak since Super Mario 64. I seen people complained that Star Fox games since SF64 didn't compared to it. What about people who believed tLoZ series wasn't as good since A Link to the Past or OoT? Sonic getting in Brawl isn't about "rewards", it's about so much more which I'll explain later.

3: Just because Snake got in through friendship doesn't mean the rest of the 3rd party characters have to as well. Just because one character gets in one way doesn't mean all of them have too. Isn't that like saying 1st party characters only get in from being popular?

4: I think far more people are looking forward to seeing Sonic in Brawl then competing in that game. This may be an opinion, but so is what was just said.

list of things the sonic series rips off:

Mario
any series that included a brooding evil clone
tamagotchi
Dragon ball Z
hell even motherfukcing bugs bunny...

It could be argued that nearly anything "rips off" something, so what's your point? It could be argued that any platformer rips off Mario, including other platformers by Nintendo. So they both jump around, collect stuff, and some other common features. How come Sonic is being singled out for having an evil clone that's common in many other series, even by Nintendo? Mario had Shadow Mario, Link had Dark Link, Samus had Dark Samus, and possibly more. Heck, I heard even Kirby had an evil clone. What does Sonic have in common with DBZ, Super Sonic? That's the only connection I see, otherwise what else do they have in common? As for Bugs Bunny, what is it, furries? Does that mean every series with furries (including Star Fox) ripped off of Bugs Bunny, who could be argued to have ripped off Mickey Mouse, who could be argued to have ripped off any other furries before then?

Lets face it you people taht want sonic in are basing it on merit alone, because no 'spindash' ridden move list will change the mind of people who simply know better... He would be boring

This seems to come down entirely to opinion that Sonic would have a boring move set. I can argue that it would be fun. Their both opinions, so what's the difference? I think it's time to explain a bit more about Sonic like I said I would. Sonic is Sega's rise to fame (at least during the Genesis and SNES days). Sonic challenged Nintendo and at one point, I believe they were worry Sonic would overtake them and thus they worked harder on Super Mario 64. The result is, we get better games (usually) due to rivals. Someone had to push Nintendo, because otherwise, how would they get better? I'm not saying their games before then were bad, not at all. Also, ever since Dreamcast died, Sonic also had a milestone, becoming friends with Sonic first appearing on the Gamecube, and then on the GBA. They were really great rivals turned friends.

and his inclusion in this series is the result of media exposure as Marios timeless rival, which was Segas goal to begin with... He doesnt 'deserve' to be honored by Nintendo, he should in fact be shunnedfor not putting effort forth into making a good game for the sake of the long time standing fans

Sega Does what Nintendon't and thats ruin a proven franchise

 

[Homelessvagrant]

This isn't about whether the games suck or not. This rather is about Whether Sonic would fit as a character and whether he'd be a cool character in brawl. He may not be nintendo but none the less he's a big part of Nintendo's history. Also whether his games suck or not, Sonic is a cool character. The fact that Sega doesn't know how to translate him into 3D doesn't make him lame, that just means that the 3D wasn't meant for a game like Sonic. In the 2D games sonic still is cool. If you should hate anyone, hate neo sega (they suck). Sonic would be a cool character and he fits in the brawl formula very nicely.

RBinator good post.

 

[silver777]

This isn't about whether the games suck or not. This rather is about Whether Sonic would fit as a character and whether he'd be a cool character in brawl. He may not be nintendo but none the less he's a big part of Nintendo's history. .

since when Sonic was part of Nintendo's history?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

since when Sonic was part of Nintendo's history?

The console wars...


and of course recently

 

[Empy]

Wait, Sega and the Dreamcast were 1 big fail. Besides, if Sonic was in Brawl, what would happen to him in the Mario Kart stage, hedgehogs get run over all the time.

O and this is the first sane thread I've seen posted here in ages.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Wait, Sega and the Dreamcast were 1 big fail. Besides, if Sonic was in Brawl, what would happen to him in the Mario Kart stage, hedgehogs get run over all the time.

O and this is the first sane thread I've seen posted here in ages.

Why would Sonic affect the Mario Kart stage???

 

[Star105]

Okay then......................................

1. Sanity is sometimes a personal opinion so don't expect alot of support on that

2. Sonic whether people like it or not is a popular character and has a decent chance of making it into brawl on the basis of popularity

3. alot of people don't like him because of his recent games but that doesn't mean he won't have a great chance of being in brawl.

4. Rip off from other series? i guess so but alot of original ideas are just rip offs from other ideas so it isn't really all that important or rare.

5. you are entitled to your own opinion though alot of people are going to flame this thread

6. variety is sometimes a good thing since change is inevitable so don't like recent games? Don't play them. End of story.

thats what i think so spam if you like but try a different arguement.

 

[Cenedar]

Sigh.... this really makes me sad...

Why do anti-threads even exist? Please, please, PLEASE take this to the Official Sonic thread. Anti-character threads, no matter how well reasoned or worded, are, in the end, going to be seen by many people as flamebait.

Yes, Sonic's more recent games have sucked. But take a long good read in the Sonic thread and the evidence provided there. Just because you are fervently against Sonic being in doesn't mean you have to create a whole thread knocking him AND the people who want him in.

Ripoff? Okay, I'm pretty sure Super Sonic came before DBZ. I know somebody already responded to that earlier, stating quite clearly why that is complete and utter ****, so listen to them please.

Do I want him in Brawl? Yes, I do, I'm not ashamed to admit it. But it's MY OPINION, just like the entire premise of this thread is YOUR OPINION. Please take this to the already established thread, we could actually use the discussion, and I can tell that you're at least willing to discuss things reasonably. Alot more than I can say for half the people who come in saying "SONIC SUX, UR ALL GAY FER WANTIN HIM IN BRAHWL!"

Sonic for Brawl

 

[NeoSoul]

Sigh.... this really makes me sad...

Why do anti-threads even exist? Please, please, PLEASE take this to the Official Sonic thread. Anti-character threads, no matter how well reasoned or worded, are, in the end, going to be seen by many people as flamebait.

Yes, Sonic's more recent games have sucked. But take a long good read in the Sonic thread and the evidence provided there. Just because you are fervently against Sonic being in doesn't mean you have to create a whole thread knocking him AND the people who want him in.

Ripoff? Okay, I'm pretty sure Super Sonic came before DBZ. I know somebody already responded to that earlier, stating quite clearly why that is complete and utter ****, so listen to them please.

Do I want him in Brawl? Yes, I do, I'm not ashamed to admit it. But it's MY OPINION, just like the entire premise of this thread is YOUR OPINION. Please take this to the already established thread, we could actually use the discussion, and I can tell that you're at least willing to discuss things reasonably. Alot more than I can say for half the people who come in saying "SONIC SUX, UR ALL GAY FER WANTIN HIM IN BRAHWL!"

lol

well you wrote all that to tell me its my opinion....

*sigh*

whatever

I'll update the first page with the following points:

sonic is not part of Nintendo History, unless you look at it like mexico being part of US history: We clashed for a while but now what they had is ours.

sonic would not be a major story Mile stone they would have advertised the game differently... way differently, do you really think such an Important part(as much as I disagree, I still recognize) of video game 'history' just deserves 1 slot in a roster of 40+ where he'll play second fiddle to smaller nintendo franchises like Kid icarus? The Mario meeting sonic needs to be of legendary proportions and whats more timeless than the olympics? I think the game is fitting and it wont take away from the Vs. in the title...

This is brawl a 3rd in the series of NINTENDO franchises not a 'clash' game, third party inclusions like snake do nothing to take away from the overall story because he was never the symbol of a major corporation, just another timeless franchise

sonic represents Sega, just having a cameo in a once major rivaling franchise is disrespectful to the minds that bore him, this is why theVs. olympics series is so important, I cannot stress this enough

 

[Kor]

NeoSoul, you are a very selfish person.

I'm going to say the same thing here, that I say in every anti-character thread. Though, granted, I'm newer here, so I've yet to post it on this site, but whatever...

Whats the point of an anti-character thread? What is it? You have some distaste for a specific character? Well good for you. Now, why are you being so selfish, as to try and insist your perspective upon others?

Sonic has a fanbase, you can deny it all you want, but its there. If you don't want him in, fine, good for you, but why would you specifically want to dissapoint the rest of the playerbase that DOES want him in?

What does it hurt you if he makes the roster? It doesn't. At most, you'd have to play thru the game as him once to unlock whatever trophies, but you're already doing that as every other character.

So here you are, trying to keep a character out of a game, because you don't want to spend a single run thru, playing as him? So what!

This, versus the idea of how many people would be pleased to see him there, and would probably spend a lot more time with him, and generally be happier with the game?

Let me ask you this: Do you deny that adding Sonic to Brawl would increase the amount of playerbase it would obtain? And if not, why wouldn't you want Brawl to be as succesful as possible? I can come up with no other answer, other than selfish interest.


I don't understand where you are getting that Sonic would have to recieve special attention if he were to appear in Brawl. I don't see why it has to be any different than the attention Snake is getting, which really seems to be about the same attention that every character is getting.

Your original post is weak, and riddled with opinions stated as facts. RBinator did a great job with it already, so I wont get into it. I will point out that I find it humorous that you've yet to respond to him, which really just adds more evidence to this whole trollish/flamebait concept.

In the end, I'll say that I think it poor of you to feel you need to create an anti-character thread. If Sonic bothers you so much, why don't you just set him on Easy mode in FFA and beat the crap out of him. No one is forcing you to love the character, why are you trying to force us to hate him?

 

[MetaKnight'sSword]

I have Nothing against Sonic...I really dont.....but to be honest...WTH would hiis Special Attacks, since his only attack is turnind in to a round Blue Buzzsaw....I kno his FS would sould be turning into Super Sonic (Most likely if he is in the game) but other than that ...that just about it....

 

[Kor]

I have Nothing against Sonic...I really dont.....but to be honest...WTH would hiis Special Attacks, since his only attack is turnind in to a round Blue Buzzsaw....I kno his FS would sould be turning into Super Sonic (Most likely if he is in the game) but other than that ...that just about it....

I don't know, why don't you ask Capt. Falcon, Fox, Zelda, and the Ice Climbers?

Seriously though, Sonic has an extensive Attack List, you just have to look.

Obviously, you're default spindash

Sonic has 3 attacks based on the shields he has on from Sonic 3.
The Blue Tornado attack from Sonic Adventure 2.
Chaos Control
Lightspeed dash.
etc...

 

[NeoSoul]

NeoSoul, you are a very selfish person.


(holy crap you wrote a LOT)

ummm you like RBnator its clear that you didnt read the entire thread.... so Im gonna go out on a limb and assume that you dont care enough...

I can make and Anti-sonic Thread just as much as you can make one supporting him... its getting repetitive to the point that i put whatever I find myself repeating in the first post... Since everybody is having such a hard time understanding I'll try bullets (just punctuations sadly...)

*segas asked for Mario to be in the Olympics, Nintendo will return the favor for putting sonic in Brawl....
- Ok, no that Olympics 'series' is a NEW IP Brawl is an established franchise, and look at the differences its the whole friggin Super Mario team against the Sonic team, its legendary... sonic in brawl would just be a cameo, you cant compare the two... A better argument for sonic fans would be to ask for a Nintendo Vs. Sega game in the same vein as the Super Smash Bros. series.

*Mario is in that game why can't sonic?
- Yea lemme delete the thread... what WAS I thinking?

*sonic is an Icon.
- Undoubtedly, so why just make him a minor character in a sequel to a company medley game?

*sonic deserves to be in brawl
- No.

*NeoSoul You're a crazy
- Maybe, good argument.

* sonic games don't have to be good you noob! It just proves how awesome he is by being cool in a shitty game
-Word to every cool movie that had a a lame game, aww you guysssss You're so supportive, wish i had girlfriends like you!

*Snake is in, so sonic is a shoe-in
-lol wut? how is Snake anything like sonic? 3rd party? check, yet in the gaming world Snake is but a minor (albeit infinitely awesome) player, sonic is known worldwide, where HIS hype????

*NeoSoul you just want to crush fanboy dreams
-yes, I watch you all through my couldron, as I device magics to strip you of your happiness... Im just wondering why you would want sonic in a game like Brawl? I ask for practical reasons and all I get is 'well in the 90's he was cool and everybody wants to see it happen' and they want to say that I play off my opinions as fact...

 

[Kor]

Who are you argueing with there?

I mean, you're providing both point and counter-point with yourself.

All of your points are horribly set up for your counter-points. Try answering someone elses questions and points, rather than yourselves.

Here, I'll pick out a few of mine:

Do you deny that adding Sonic to Brawl would increase the amount of playerbase it would obtain?

where are you getting that Sonic would have to recieve special attention if he were to appear in Brawl.

why would you specifically want to dissapoint the rest of the playerbase that DOES want him in?

Also, claiming I didn't read a thread doesn't make it true, and doesn't grant you instant win points. You actually have to discuss/debate something of validity to get points across. NOT argue with yourself, and claim no one elses comments have any merit.

 

[NeoSoul]

Who are you argueing with there?

I mean, you're providing both point and counter-point with yourself.

All of your points are horribly set up for your counter-points. Try answering someone elses questions and points, rather than yourselves.

Here, I'll pick out a few of mine:







Also, claiming I didn't read a thread doesn't make it true, and doesn't grant you instant win points. You actually have to discuss/debate something of validity to get points across. NOT argue with yourself, and claim no one elses comments have any merit.

lmaoooo kid youre crazy.... I basically answered all your questions just worded them differently... but I'll humor you, you went out of your way to at least post here:

Do you deny that adding Sonic to Brawl would increase the amount of playerbase it would obtain?

No.... Sonic has a disturbingly large fan base, so you would just settle for being able to play as him eventhough he obviously has no major role in the game? just thrown into the fray? by his lonesome with no support? the major symbol of a dynasty? youre right, maybe he should be just a mino inclusion, I dont think he deserves better..... Seriously I don't.

where are you getting that Sonic would have to recieve special attention if he were to appear in Brawl.

**** these questions are too similar.... we're still talking about the whole 'Mario Vs. sonic' thing from the 90's and not sonic's inclusion in brawl... right??? because thats about the strongest point anyone has here and would being a minor character in a franchise justify the grandeur of the rivalry?

why would you specifically want to dissapoint the rest of the playerbase that DOES want him in?

Im not making the game, but theres in house franchises that arent getting as much love as Segas symbol. Im not here to 'disappoint' Im here to discourage, do not get your hopes up, because like online, sonic would have been announced looooooong ago... people havent been looking forward to Snake Vs. Pikachu for nearly 2 decades...

 

[volbound1700]

I want Sonic because he fits the mold. An animal-like Cartoonish Character that is a major video game player and has a lot of action and skill. He seems to me like a faster version of Pikachu. BTW, Sonic the Hedgehog 2 has been rated as one of the best games all-time. The people who don't want Sonic are the ones that never grew up on the Genesis, NES, and SNES era.

 

[NeoSoul]

I want Sonic because he fits the mold. An animal-like Cartoonish Character that is a major video game player and has a lot of action and skill. He seems to me like a faster version of Pikachu. BTW, Sonic the Hedgehog 2 has been rated as one of the best games all-time. The people who don't want Sonic are the ones that never grew up on the Genesis, NES, and SNES era.

so much for reading the thread

 

[volbound1700]

so much for reading the thread

Dude the fact that Sonic would get special attention shows how valuable a character he is and how wanted he is. This could very well be the game that knocks the Wii out into a crushing lead over PS3 and Xbox if SSB would go outside their nintendo roots and bring in fans from other series, like SEGA or Capcom games.