LinkGadra
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The Official: Anti-sonic Thread (updated 9/13)
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People on the forums mostly concentrate on who they want in the game. For example, i would be gutted if Captain Olimar and King Dedede didn't make it. I'd also like to seeAndy (Advance Wars), Issac (Golden Sun), Bowser Jr, Sonic, and Arthur from Ghouls and Ghosts (however much of a long shot that is). However, these characters are people i'd like to see in, but i wouldn't be majorly upset if they weren't in.
The point i'm making is that what most people do is concentrate on who they want in, not who they don't want. I wouldn't particularily want Waluigi to be in the game, but if he were in i'd just kinda shrug my shoulders and get on with it. I didn't care about Ike being in because i'm not a Fire Emblem fan, but i'm not angry that he's in.
An anti thread is just full of hate. I mean, what exactly is the point of arguing against a character? I know you've given your reasons over and over again (which is fair enough, even though i disagree with some of them) but why would it bother you that much if he got in? I could give reasons against Waluigi, but again, if he got in, so what?
Somebody posted something saying that Sakurai isn't thinking like: "Well if we have Sonic we can't have Olimar" and i agree with them. That's not the way it works.
I also can't grasp your theory that Sonic would get special attention if he was in. This is Smash Bros. It's a game full of different characters. It's not a Mario game, or a Starfox game, or a Fire Emblem game. It's a Smash Bros game. There are no main stars. Not even Mario, Nintendo's mascot, is given special attention. Why do you think he'd be special?
Also, stop spamming. I know you created this thread, but that doesn't give you special rights. Reply if you actually have a point or counter point to make.
The point i'm making is that what most people do is concentrate on who they want in, not who they don't want. I wouldn't particularily want Waluigi to be in the game, but if he were in i'd just kinda shrug my shoulders and get on with it. I didn't care about Ike being in because i'm not a Fire Emblem fan, but i'm not angry that he's in.
An anti thread is just full of hate. I mean, what exactly is the point of arguing against a character? I know you've given your reasons over and over again (which is fair enough, even though i disagree with some of them) but why would it bother you that much if he got in? I could give reasons against Waluigi, but again, if he got in, so what?
Somebody posted something saying that Sakurai isn't thinking like: "Well if we have Sonic we can't have Olimar" and i agree with them. That's not the way it works.
I also can't grasp your theory that Sonic would get special attention if he was in. This is Smash Bros. It's a game full of different characters. It's not a Mario game, or a Starfox game, or a Fire Emblem game. It's a Smash Bros game. There are no main stars. Not even Mario, Nintendo's mascot, is given special attention. Why do you think he'd be special?
Also, stop spamming. I know you created this thread, but that doesn't give you special rights. Reply if you actually have a point or counter point to make.
K.C. Cloud
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Personally, I thought alot of the mario games were stupid and boring.
The only mario game i have actually played was mario party, and that was with my cousins because we were bored.
I like Mario, don't get me wrong. Though the only reason I like mario is just that... he's mario.
Sonic however has always been my favorite character from ANY game system. I won't deny that I think it would be stupid if sonic didn't make it in brawl but some other 3rd party character that I view ans not as worthy as one of the LARGEST GAMING ICONS still today made it in.
Not that, you can point to alot of game characters and get a simple response of "who is that?" but point to Sonic or Mario and I garuntee you they can tell you who they are.
The only mario game i have actually played was mario party, and that was with my cousins because we were bored.
I like Mario, don't get me wrong. Though the only reason I like mario is just that... he's mario.
Sonic however has always been my favorite character from ANY game system. I won't deny that I think it would be stupid if sonic didn't make it in brawl but some other 3rd party character that I view ans not as worthy as one of the LARGEST GAMING ICONS still today made it in.
Not that, you can point to alot of game characters and get a simple response of "who is that?" but point to Sonic or Mario and I garuntee you they can tell you who they are.
This is what we call a baseless opinion.
silver777
Smash Champion
or, you know, he is not in the game.
volbound1700
Smash Master
Sonic game that stood out:
Sonic the Hedgehog 2... it was ranked 6 all-time in PC Magazine or one of the major game rankings. Most Sonic fans will tell you that Sonic 2 is the best of all the Sonic games.
I also liked Sonic 1 for both Sega Genesis and Gamegear. (they were two different games).
Sonic the Hedgehog 2... it was ranked 6 all-time in PC Magazine or one of the major game rankings. Most Sonic fans will tell you that Sonic 2 is the best of all the Sonic games.
I also liked Sonic 1 for both Sega Genesis and Gamegear. (they were two different games).
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Sonic 2 was indeed my favorite game. After that, Sonic sucked.
So you're saying Sonic only had one good game? LOL.
Sonic 2 was always my favorite platformer of all time.
Legolastom
Smash Hero
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I am not going to dignify this with a full stop (This is me not adding a full stop)
FierceDeityWolf
Smash Ace
volbound1700
Smash Master
Most the Sonic Game Gear games where great... Sonic Chaos is fun (for gamegear).
k!llsw!tch
Smash Ace
I wouldn't see how Sonic's inclusion could possibly ruin this game. To the topic creator you need to know that your opinion is pretty small compared to most smash players. No one had any problem with Sonic in brawl....the only ones that did we're big Nintendo fans and still believe in that SEGANintendo war crap. Weather you like it or not Sonic's popular and he still has the best chance for any third party. Why I support it is because I feel this makes the game much more than just Nintendo, but it's friends too. I have no idea how you choose Solid Snake over Sonic, yea I know that it was because Kojima and Sakurai were friends and stuff, but Sakurai already said himself more 3rd parties will be included. I just say get over it, by the time Brawl is a month old you won't even car anymore. I mean unless when Sonic does show up and your Wii explodes get mad then.
Thats awful optimistic, and will thank you in advance for reading my post because you better believe I labored through yours...
So my opinion is not worth as much as the opinions of others? Im like, what would you say? about 1/3 a regualr 'smasher'? shall I 'chuck and jive' for you massah?
No one had any problem? I guess that leads back to whoever doesnt want sonic in the game is automatically less than human??? You guys are nazi's man.... I knew it, that little SS crew you got and everything it all makes sense...
maybe this will do it for you... type up sonic sucks (youtube google whatever) and look at the sheer number of people who really trully hate the character, I dont particularly have a sour taste in my mouth speaking its name, I just dont think he belongs in any Nintendo franchise for that matter...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWaSJlbzQyw
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this is not SNK Vs. Capcom's case people, where the latter ripped off the former... in many ways SNK improved on the SF(the originators) formula... what has sonic done? (new motto: W.H.s.D.?) not ****, he's just about as standard as it gets with platformers... the 3d ones tried something different, with the different characters/paths/powerups but we already know what happened there...
x-play even said that the sonic franchise NEEDS to DIE!:embarrassthat "Nintendo/sega war" is still goin on now... and its Nintendo (NES:Wii) still fighting a console with better specs (the genesis
S360) thus they got prettier games (sonic:anything HD), all old Nintendos got is Original DesignMy main problem is, that one argument fanboys give when I talk about the movelist for this particular character, "sakurai will come up with a new one look at fox/falcon/peach/bowser/cast" yes, because they are core characters and integral to the company's name...
now more to the point, its sonic, a once prominent household name, for a rivaling company mind you, still wetting the palettes of a few faithful fans, who are still yearning for a new game...keep waiting kids :embarrass Sega likes to stick it to you like a priest to a choirboy...
why go out of the way to waste time making up moves for a 3rd party char when:
A) Theres 3rd party characters out there who would not only have found their ROOTS with Nintendo (a la Snake) but have a wide array of moves to choose from (this is a minor gripe after all rings, chaos control and spinda..... blah)
B) Programming, design, balancing, debuging, testing etc... this isnt another 3D sonic game, these things will actually happen IF he's included in brawl... (which can go towards in house characters mind you) sonic is the head of a company (after 3 failed attempts: alex the kid, ristar, and somethin else which is forgettable) why include just one character from sega? In fact they should include EVERY sonic character in one EPIC game, laced with some other monumental event:
oh yea.... that
TRUST when I say that if all you sonic supporters had a Dreamcast2 or something in that vicinity you would want a game like brawl understandably... of course you would have to imagine that Nintendo would have to be a 3rd party (lol)..... you would be the FIRST people opposing Mario in your games... imagine mario amidst this:
well maybe wearing this....:
oh the sonic avatar REALLY helps your argument by the way
LinkGadra
Smash Apprentice
Seriously, Neosoul, what is your problem with Sonic? Have you not gotten over the fact that the Nintendo/Sega war is over? Or are you just a standard Nintendo fanboy?
And to address your points:
1. Sonic does have a wide variety of moves to choose from (Sonic the Fighters? Sonic Battle? Sonic Adventure 2?). Also, the argument that Snake's roots are with Nintendo is kind of flat. Sure, the first few games were on the NES, but nowadays, most people associate MGS with Sony. As Sakurai said, any 3rd party character would have to appear on a Nintendo console at least once before, so both Snake and Sonic meet that requirment.
2. Why do you believe that programming Sonic into Brawl is such an impossible task? Sora has plenty of skilled programmers working on the game, so Sonic would be no more difficult to program than any other character. After all, Sega characters aren't written in some advanced alien coding, they use (mostly) the same stuff that everyone else uses.
By the way, I would love to see Mario in the Sonic 'Verse. I'm sure that would raise some interesting storyline possibilities. Mario vs. Mecha Sonic FTW!
And to address your points:
1. Sonic does have a wide variety of moves to choose from (Sonic the Fighters? Sonic Battle? Sonic Adventure 2?). Also, the argument that Snake's roots are with Nintendo is kind of flat. Sure, the first few games were on the NES, but nowadays, most people associate MGS with Sony. As Sakurai said, any 3rd party character would have to appear on a Nintendo console at least once before, so both Snake and Sonic meet that requirment.
2. Why do you believe that programming Sonic into Brawl is such an impossible task? Sora has plenty of skilled programmers working on the game, so Sonic would be no more difficult to program than any other character. After all, Sega characters aren't written in some advanced alien coding, they use (mostly) the same stuff that everyone else uses.
By the way, I would love to see Mario in the Sonic 'Verse. I'm sure that would raise some interesting storyline possibilities. Mario vs. Mecha Sonic FTW!
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you people don't read but its ok.... I don't expect much... most of you say "well sonic Vs. Mario is the match up we've all been waiting for since the Nintendo/sega wars!!!" k... then the same people say "stop living in the past! the sega/Nintendo war is OVERSS" fukitol
not exactly a fanboy.... more like a purist...
true, sega failed as a company and is now 3rd party, but there is just too much residual hate for that character for the many times that sega slapped nintendo across the face... Nintendo should have enough balls to exclude him maintain some dignity... I've already stated by sonic is so devoid of anylikeable qualities, he's gone through so many makeovers you argue about what version to include in the game!
FLATTTTT???? your moms flat!!!
thats like the strongest point snake has goin for him other than sakurai and Kojima being buddies...
I obviously dont think that Sora studios are talentless hacks I obviously want the game free of any lames.... I said the programming that goes towards sonic could go to a first party character.... mannnn
MetaKnight'sSword
Smash Lord
hmmm....I wonder if NiGHTS was a possible choice from SEGA for SSBB?????
plausible, I like obscure charactersgot a mvoe list?
MetaKnight'sSword
Smash Lord
hmmm...that would be kind of Hard for me to make for I just thought of it now...the only thing I do kno is that he can fly like Pit, Meta Knight and Charizard...but I mught be able to if I looked more into the game and see video of it on youtube
LinkGadra
Smash Apprentice
And I still don't get how ONE character can ruin a game with so many different choices. If he's ridiculously bad, no one will use him, if he's ridiculously overpowered, few people will use him. You still haven't addressed how Sonic is "The Anti-Christ of Brawl" as you like to say.S
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you people don't read but its ok.... I don't expect much... most of you say "well sonic Vs. Mario is the match up we've all been waiting for since the Nintendo/sega wars!!!" k... then the same people say "stop living in the past! the sega/Nintendo war is OVERSS" fukitol
Wait, what? I'm not following, can you clear that up?
not exactly a fanboy.... more like a purist...
true, sega failed as a company and is now 3rd party, but there is just too much residual hate for that character for the many times that sega slapped nintendo across the face... Nintendo should have enough balls to exclude him maintain some dignity... I've already stated by sonic is so devoid of anylikeable qualities, he's gone through so many makeovers you argue about what version to include in the game!
Who exactly hates Sonic? Probably not anyone high up on Nintendo's chain of command. More like random fans who can't stand any form of challenge to their favorite company. Also, no likable qualities? That's seriously a matter of opinion. True, the more recent Sonic apperances have been a little scattered personality-wise, but there is still some of the old-school "Hero-because-I-can-be-one" attitude of the original character. Besides, Sonic hasn't changed much visually over the years, so it's not a big deal which 'version' they use if any.
FLATTTTT???? your moms flat!!!
thats like the strongest point snake has goin for him other than sakurai and Kojima being buddies...
Eh, maybe so. Guess you and I will never know exactly how Snake got in, but you can't deny that he left the door open behind him.
I obviously dont think that Sora studios are talentless hacks I obviously want the game free of any lames.... I said the programming that goes towards sonic could go to a first party character.... mannnn
So, you think that there is only one person working on programming? That almost never happens anymore. Programmers, especially game programmers work on teams so that they can get more done. Nine times out of ten, it's not "This or That" but "This and That at the same time".
volbound1700
Smash Master
Sonic would be great NeoSoul is an idiot. Companies naturally compete and SEGA was the only competitor for Nintendo overall. Sonic should be put in based on his Sonic 1-3 design. However, it hasn't changed a lot even in 3ds... only that he speaks. Sonic's movesets would be very unique and it would open the door to having more great heroes.
People wanted Smash to see classic heroes of many games play each other... people didn't want it limited to nintendo. I say add Megaman, Pacman, Simon Belmont, Sonic, Earthworm Jim, all the great video game characters. The game would rock then.
People wanted Smash to see classic heroes of many games play each other... people didn't want it limited to nintendo. I say add Megaman, Pacman, Simon Belmont, Sonic, Earthworm Jim, all the great video game characters. The game would rock then.
The anti-christ will bare Christs likeness (sonic copying marios formula: see sonic 1) and preach like jebus did... (Im not very religious, but I do understand a fair bit of the doctrines) he will come to our world (brawls lol) and destroy the game from the inside out... his coming is highly awaited (the second coming of christ: sonic and Mario meeting) thinking it will give a rebirth (people will think its THE Jesus:: sonics inclusion will only help brawl) and has a loyal but blind following (the SS gestapo) blind because they believe that despite recent proof of disappointment (religion being a worldwide farse :: sonic being teh suck on several platforms for the last 10 years) but ultimately he doesnt belong...
a stand alone character, which more signs point to his exclusion rather than his participation... this mockery of the human imagination doesnt deserve praise! It deserves to be burned at the stake... I'll go up and arms to say LEAVE sonic OUT, KEEP BRAWL PURE... and even that being said I'll go as far as to say that sonic being in the game is about the equivalent of master-chief being in the game.... its THAT bad
keep on posting it.... maybe it'll start to make sense to you
great, we dont have a point to make huh? guess you'll always have insults
and sega failed so now they want their character to be in a Nintendo game? I say NAAAAAY
very unique how??? go gather THE BEST movelist and it wont PALE in comparison to the lamest nintendo char offering...
WHY IN THE FACK not???? earthworm jim started out as a comic if Im not mistaken.... but youre bringing up another good point, sonic would open the door to other lmaes like spyro, crash, blinx etc etc etc
thecatinthehat
Smash Master
lol i feel like i'm coming outta nowhere here.
so you're saying, if Sonic is in Brawl, you're not even gonna try Brawl?
that seems kinda childish to me. In every game, there's aways gonna be some aspect we dont like.
i mean so what if sonic is in the game?
just dont use him. it's simple as that.
so you're saying, if Sonic is in Brawl, you're not even gonna try Brawl?
that seems kinda childish to me. In every game, there's aways gonna be some aspect we dont like.
i mean so what if sonic is in the game?
just dont use him. it's simple as that.
to NeoSoul though, its not that simple.
You see, he read on a fortune cookie somewhere, that if Sonic is in Brawl, then he has to be glorified, and that no other Nintendo Characters are allowed in the game.
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