The New Tier List

[Surri-Sama]

I think it's a general rule, when ever koro says something stupid, he is auto trolling...some kinda feature he has.

 

[ballin4life]

Well, considering that Mario is better than Falcon and Falcon is better than Luigi, I think that's all the proof you need.

 

[ciaza]

Exactly. Just like how rock is better than scissors and scissors is better than paper, it's obvious that rock is better than paper.

Spoiler

joking =p

 

[Battlecow]

True.

Like, have you ever tried destroying a rock with paper?

Even, like, sheaves of the stuff. Doesn't work. Rock beats paper and scissors, real talk.

 

[ciaza]

I knew I should have gone with bloody charmander, bulbasaur and squirtle.

 

[ballin4life]

True.

Like, have you ever tried destroying a rock with paper?

Even, like, sheaves of the stuff. Doesn't work. Rock beats paper and scissors, real talk.

That's why a true boss plays rock scissors dynamite

 

[SpeedGhost]

if you're playing noobs/scrubs/pple you're alot better than - luigi is going to seem like teh ****. good players wont get caught up in the utilt/uairX4--->UpB tho and will just just space the **** out of you.. Mario is just a solid all-around char who can edgegaurd most of the cast amazingly effectively and his usmash is reliable. weegees Up-B kills like 25% earlier than marios usmash tho.... (related to the talk above..)

Red fireballz ftw

 

[The Star King]

Well, considering that Mario is better than Falcon and Falcon is better than Luigi, I think that's all the proof you need.

I hate you.

True.

Like, have you ever tried destroying a rock with paper?

Even, like, sheaves of the stuff. Doesn't work. Rock beats paper and scissors, real talk.

I've destroyed a boulder with a piece of origami paper before. Problem?

 

[Battlecow]

That's why a true boss plays rock scissors dynamite

Scissors beats Dynamite... how?

good players wont get caught up in the uair/utiltX4--->UpB tho and will just just space the **** out of you..

See, now, I REALLY want to know who you play with. I've never seen a scrub connect one utilt to an upB, much less 4. And good players do actually get caught in the uairs->upB; it's more the dair->upB that you'll be unable to pull off.

Geez, it's like there's a secret organization of people devoted to spreading well-intentioned misinformation about this matchup. Inb4 speedghost and Koro are the leading contributors to Smashwiki

 

[Surri-Sama]

Scissors beats Dynamite... how?



See, now, I REALLY want to know who you play with. I've never seen a scrub connect one utilt to an upB, much less 4. And good players do actually get caught in the uairs->upB; it's more the dair->upB that you'll be unable to pull off.

Geez, it's like there's a secret organization of people devoted to spreading well-intentioned misinformation about this matchup. Inb4 speedghost and Koro are the leading contributors to Smashwiki

Koro is one of the main writers for Smashwiki, at least for smash64.

People like Smasher,Killer and MATTS! all like to have their fun with that site too though...so it's auto dismissed in my books.

 

[Battlecow]

Oh lol

That makes too much sense

no offense Koro

 

[th3kuzinator]

Yeah, both usmashes have the exact same KB and luigi's upb kills people muuuuch quicker than usmash.

The two things that really sets them apart, in my mind, are the recovery and horizontal air speed. Trying to approach with luigi is one of my least favorite things to do ever.

 

[dandan]

i think the short hop height is much better for mario as well.

 

[Battlecow]

Yeah, we all know.

 

[ballin4life]

Scissors beats Dynamite... how?

Cmon now, scissors cuts the fuse

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Cmon now, scissors cuts the fuse

But if two fuses are lite, a red and blue fuse. Cutting one stops the dynamite and the other instantly ignites it. Which do you cut?

 

[The Star King]

Koro is one of the main writers for Smashwiki, at least for smash64.

People like Smasher,Killer and MATTS! all like to have their fun with that site too though...so it's auto dismissed in my books.

LOOOOOOL THAT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING

That made my day.

 

[Battlecow]

Cmon now, scissors cuts the fuse

Rock could smash out the fuse or w/e

Makes no sense is all I'm saying

LOOOOOOL THAT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING

That made my day.

So much for Star King's "Smashwiki is good" theory.

 

[ballin4life]

Rock could smash out the fuse or w/e

Don't think that would work necessarily. Cutting the fuse makes way more sense.

 

[The Star King]

So much for Star King's "Smashwiki is good" theory.

I never said that. So much for my "Battlecow doesn't imagine things, and isn't insane at all" theory

 

[SpeedGhost]

@Battlecow should have been more articulate with what i was saying. What i was trying to say is that better players will limit your opportunities to uair combo-->upB. and when that happens luigi starts to look pretty naked out there... clearer?

smashwiki reference was low bro

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

Lol, majority of my posts on smash wiki have been edited by some other person/troll. If you think you can make ssbwiki.com by yourself a great wiki for smash 64 (when 95% of the Wiki contributors there don't play this game competitively and 4 percent of the ones left are trolls*) be my guest. I virtually alone made it as good as it is now.

*Examples of trolls: Smasherx74, Killer, Nova, MATTS!

Also. I am surprised other people didn't see what SpeedGhost means. It is more that as said that they fall into the aerials more, not that the noobs can combo well.

Also, Mario's u-smash is better as it is easier to set it up (due to as said the much better short hop and the much better d-air.)

 

[ciaza]

Clearly Luigi's upsmash is better because since Luigi is taller the hurtbox reaches higher.

 

[Battlecow]

@Battlecow should have been more articulate with what i was saying. What i was trying to say is that better players will limit your opportunities to uair combo-->upB. and when that happens luigi starts to look pretty naked out there... clearer?

smashwiki reference was low bro

Utilt x 4->upB, though? Still waiting for an explanation on that one.

I agree with that section from Smashwiki. Not sure what's up with the hate.

Star King the smashwiki lover

although ballin' is more guilty.

 

[TANK64]

Utilt x 4->upB, though? Still waiting for an explanation on that one.

I can do it

Spoiler

in training mode with a moving platform

or

Spoiler

against SheerMadnessDI

 

[Battlecow]

I can do it too.

Spoiler

With kirby

 

[TANK64]

why the edit! It was funnier.
I should of thought of that dammit.

...stolen

 

[SpeedGhost]

Edited my post. didnt think you were gunna be such a stickler. I was just trying to say some combination of utilts/uairs and i put the X4 in a dumb place. i dont know why you're trying to argue for it being 'not hard for luigi to approach' when it most definitely is. Although his killing move is strong, its not that easy to set up against a higher level player and if you think differently you must be playing noobs--- koro knowz
anyways sorry for the misunderstanding, hope we can carry on amicably

 

[dandan]

Also, Mario's u-smash is better as it is easier to set it up (due to as said the much better short hop and the much better d-air.)

dair does not combo into usamsh if the opponent even has mediocre di at best.
it is easier to set with uairs however.

 

[SpeedGhost]

dair does not combo into usamsh if the opponent even has mediocre di at best.

the truth.

 

[Glöwworm]

Clearly Luigi's upsmash is better because since Luigi is taller the hurtbox reaches higher.

Luigi's up smash is actually pretty good.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

Luigi's upsmash is super cool, upsmash has more reach than Mario's and he slides with it.

 

[The Star King]

Like all I do with Luigi is up-smash people's approaches

Ok not really but it does work a lot more than you might think

I learned that **** directly from Boomfan

Star King the smashwiki lover

although ballin' is more guilty.

I mostly said that because I agreed with the quoted section, so I thought the following hate on Smashwiki was out of place. That doesn't make me a Smashwiki lover, scrub.

 

[NovaSmash]

Lol, majority of my posts on smash wiki have been edited by some other person/troll. If you think you can make ssbwiki.com by yourself a great wiki for smash 64 (when 95% of the Wiki contributors there don't play this game competitively and 4 percent of the ones left are trolls*) be my guest. I virtually alone made it as good as it is now.

*Examples of trolls: Smasherx74, Killer, Nova, MATTS!

....if u think i sit on smash wiki trying to edit post with wrong info theres something wrong with u. And lol at thinkin that u basically made smash wiki. Only thing ive done on smash wiki is made new bios for people and clans with accurate info.

sorry to go off topic but i cant stand when ppl constantly associate my name with stupid stuff when they dont even know their facts.

 

[Battlecow]

Edited my post. didnt think you were gunna be such a stickler. I was just trying to say some combination of utilts/uairs and i put the X4 in a dumb place. i dont know why you're trying to argue for it being 'not hard for luigi to approach' when it most definitely is. Although his killing move is strong, its not that easy to set up against a higher level player and if you think differently you must be playing noobs--- koro knowz
anyways sorry for the misunderstanding, hope we can carry on amicably

K, now, scrubs never use Utilt to lead to Up-B at all so you're still wrong

And when on earth did I ever say that it wasn't hard for luigi to approach? WTF?

but yeah, I probably threw you too much hate for a couple of relatively forgivable errors. Amicability engage.

 

[The Star King]

K, now, scrubs never use Utilt to lead to Up-B at all so you're still wrong

Yes, they do.

 

[SpeedGhost]

Yes, they do.

Yes.

and Bcow, what im trying to say-- is that the main point of what I was saying is that luigi can't be as effective against players who know how to outspace him, and you were getting all caught up on the details that didn't really matter man. The infamous 'uair/utiltX4' thing wasnt the main point at all.

Then you went on to say something like 'good players do get caught in the combos' which is true to some extent ie: sometimes they get comboed into the upB. But not often, and it isnt very difficult to mostly shut that part of luigi's game down. but anyways, thats where i thought you were trying to argue for luigi's viability...

 

[Zen Yore]

Luigi approaching is easily one of the worst in-game.
Especially when compared to Fox's who can just spam SHDL and F-air.

 

[dandan]

Luigi approaching is easily one of the worst in-game.
Especially when compared to Fox's who can just spam SHDL and F-air.

it has not been 5 months... what are you doing here

 

[Battlecow]

Yes, they do.

No, they do not.

Yes.

and Bcow, what im trying to say-- is that the main point of what I was saying is that luigi can't be as effective against players who know how to outspace him, and you were getting all caught up on the details that didn't really matter man. The infamous 'uair/utiltX4' thing wasnt the main point at all.

Then you went on to say something like 'good players do get caught in the combos' which is true to some extent ie: sometimes they get comboed into the upB. But not often, and it isnt very difficult to mostly shut that part of luigi's game down. but anyways, thats where i thought you were trying to argue for luigi's viability...

Are we still arguing about who was right? I thought we stopped in order to save your dignity. But if we are still arguing-

Stop saying things that don't make sense.

i dont know why you're trying to argue for it being 'not hard for luigi to approach' when it most definitely is

This makes no sense, because I didn't argue for that, and in fact, nothing resembling the words that you put in quotation marks ever escaped my nimbly typing fingers.

Then you went on to say something like 'good players do get caught in the combos' which is true to some extent ie: sometimes they get comboed into the upB. But not often, and it isnt very difficult to mostly shut that part of luigi's game down

This doesn't make much sense either. uair-> Up B continues to be a critical part of luigi's game against many characters even at extremely high levels of play (which you have no experience with, btw). Watch some of Isai's weegee vids at genesis; he uses up-B almost as much as even the scrubbiest scrubs do. That said, you kind of have a point because he does suck and getting the combos off is harder than it is with good characters.

And no, scrubs don't Utilt->upB. They really, really don't.