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The New Phantom Thief of Persona 5 The Royal - Kasumi Yoshizawa/"Jane"

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Yeah. And, frankly, there are some random 4chan leaks that I think are being... overwatched! HAHAHAHAHA!

HAHA

ha

heh.

Anyway, base Warriors rosters can very wildly, especially based on the uniqueness of movesets. A dozen characters is a pretty safe standard number though, so the party members of P5R plus 1-2 OCs would make sense to me. Then they can add throwbacks as DLC, possibly with a story map about the P3 and P4 casts getting roped in.

That said, I do also have a weirder idea that would definitely cause some salt: don't maximize the playable characters, but instead maximize the personas. All the characters are wild cards with their own unique standard attacks, but there are 20-30 personas who change the special attacks completely. It'd make it a more unique Warriors game with both more and less movesets then usual, depending on how you count it.

So, that gives us Joker, Yu, and Aigis as protagonists. Akechi's wild card status is unclear, as we only see him use two personas in the game, though I believe he uses more in the anime, but let's just say he is in because popularity. Kasumi will also probably have some version of the wild card, as I believe was teased in a Famitsu article once? I may be imagining that.

Then any Velvet Room attendant would have the wild card by default. They could bring the P3 protagonist back from the dead in this game instead of Arena if they wanted him with his wild card as well, or they could drag the P3 FeMC out of her parallel universe. I feel like the P3 crowd would be best saved for Arena though.

I have found it funny what little P5S speculation I've seen has been like though, as a lot of less-hardcore Persona fans have gotten involved with it due to Smash rising its profile. Take this tweet from Derrick of GameXplain.

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Yeah, uh, P1/P2 fans gave up long ago dude.
I don't think they will go with that wildcard route, but I could see them letting characters use there base and ultimate Persona's as different weapons. That seems like a good balance.

Also, yeah, Derrick probably didn't realize that he just made a rather depressingly hilarious statement there.

Also, some new P5 info has popped up. Nothing super major though.
 

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The P5 playable cast, the P4 playable cast, the P3 playable cast, the Velvet room attendants, the members of Strega, and
Adachi
Themed Musuo games are made by the roster. 12 characters is abysmal for one of these. If it has just P5, the best it can be is average. This cast could make it great.
By Koei Techmo standards, 12 is pretty darn standard if you don’t want to have clones though. Dragon Quest Heroes had 13 on launch, as did Hyrule Warriors. Fire Emblem Warriors and Warriors All-Stars doubled that, but they were both critiqued for characters lacking original movesets. I’m also not certain you could even have clone characters in the persona cast, as most people with similar-ish fighting styles don’t share weapons (ex/ Kanji and Ryuji may both be beefcakes, but one has a pipe and one has a chair).


I’d love to be proven wrong, but, frankly, I don’t know if they’d be likely to treat Persona better then they did DQ or Zelda, especially now that P5 is really starting to outpace the rest of the Persona games sales-wise. In my dream roster everyone including Fuuka, the P3 FeMC, and villains from each game would be playable, but I’m just not convinced that’s practical given Koei’s history of saving things for sequels.

I don't think they will go with that wildcard route, but I could see them letting characters use there base and ultimate Persona's as different weapons. That seems like a good balance.

Also, yeah, Derrick probably didn't realize that he just made a rather depressingly hilarious statement there.

Also, some new P5 info has popped up. Nothing super major though.
Ultimate Personas would be a good way to have weapon variety, true!

He definitely didn’t, but it’s kind of adorable haha. I almost wonder if it’d even be worth it to mention P1/2 anywhere nowadays - as you’re almost targeting mainline SMT fans with it more then you are Persona fans, so why not just target the SMT fans directly with SMT?

I’m glad the costumes are in-game and not DLC! That maid outfit is very threatening.
 

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give me Igor in scramble

just Igor running about shibuya with those spindly legs of his and throwing demons at people
 

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also with regards to scramble's roster, i'm thinking they'll go for something like this

base game
joker
morgana
ryuji
ann
yusuke
makoto
futaba
haru
akechi
koei OC girl

DLC
kasumi
akechi (black mask)
caroline/justine
lavenza
whatever OC villains they cook up that they don't want you to play as in the base game
 

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Well, I can't wait to see the subs to this trailer, because quite a bit happened.


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A Joker trailer was also released. Let me just say, the intro to this one is glorious.

 
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looks like arsene is consistently useful throughout the entire game now

sweet
 

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looks like arsene is consistently useful throughout the entire game now

sweet
I wonder how thet will pull that off though. Maybe he comes back at a certain point with more power?

Also, on the 24th of October there will be more P5S news.
 

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also with regards to scramble's roster, i'm thinking they'll go for something like this

base game
joker
morgana
ryuji
ann
yusuke
makoto
futaba
haru
akechi
koei OC girl

DLC
kasumi
akechi (black mask)
caroline/justine
lavenza
whatever OC villains they cook up that they don't want you to play as in the base game
The realism of this rosters astounds me and thereby makes me sad. The only thing I'm not sure of is saving Kasumi for DLC, as while they did that with Marie in all P4 spin-offs, Marie was much more sidelined in the story then Kasumi seems to be here.

Well, I can't wait to see the subs to this trailer, because quite a bit happened.

I am so fundmentally confused about what is going on in that trailer, but I like it? Also, holy P5 spoilers Batman!

I wonder how thet will pull that off though. Maybe he comes back at a certain point with more power?

Also, on the 24th of October there will be more P5S news.
Maybe they give you a stronger Arsene after the first game finished as a gift from Igor? Idk...

Weird that they're saving P5S for after Tokyo Game Show... Maybe they have something else exciting to show off there?

phantom thief of the dance floor

I don't think I've ever related to Joker more then standing awkwardly in the corner of a dance floor and having someone come up with the intention of getting you to dance.
 

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I am so fundmentally confused about what is going on in that trailer, but I like it? Also, holy P5 spoilers Batman!
Spoilers are a thing of the past apparently.
Maybe they give you a stronger Arsene after the first game finished as a gift from Igor? Idk...
That would make sense, though that does make me wonder about Joker's ultimate Persona, as you could get it in new game+.
I don't think I've ever related to Joker more then standing awkwardly in the corner of a dance floor and having someone come up with the intention of getting you to dance.
Looks like Kasumi got more that she bargained for though.

Anyway, I was looking at the sub of the Joker trailer and I want to bring something up.

Isn't it kinda worrisome that Kasumi isn't apart of the pool game, but not Kasumi? Maybe I am just getting my time-frames mixed up, but wouldn't this scene take place in the new semester? Has Kasumi not joined yet or has Kasumi been taken away? The new Persona 5 R trailer certainly has big implications when it comes to Kasumi.

Also, Akechi chuckles at Joker hitting himself in the face with the ball. That is the sort of behavior I live for with these sort of team-ups.
 

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Spoilers are a thing of the past apparently.
Yeah, they are going all-out with spoilers for the company that was concerned with people streaming their game...

That would make sense, though that does make me wonder about Joker's ultimate Persona, as you could get it in new game+.
Yeah, that I have no idea about. Given how all the DLC personas are just personas now (plus a newly-added P3 FeMC Orpheus), they may be reworking how special personas work in general and maybe it'll just unlock as a hard one to fuse?

Isn't it kinda worrisome that Kasumi isn't apart of the pool game, but not Kasumi? Maybe I am just getting my time-frames mixed up, but wouldn't this scene take place in the new semester? Has Kasumi not joined yet or has Kasumi been taken away? The new Persona 5 R trailer certainly has big implications when it comes to Kasumi.

Also, Akechi chuckles at Joker hitting himself in the face with the ball. That is the sort of behavior I live for with these sort of team-ups.
Given how Akechi isn't at the New Year's event, I would assume this is after Kasumi had joined, yes. No idea why she would be missing - it could be something as innocent as her going MIA for a sports competition for a while, or something to do with the wish-granter. No idea. I'm also really not sure what's up with her again, as the trailers have mostly left me more confused...

Akechi and Joker are very adorable. 10/10.
 

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Isn't it kinda worrisome that Kasumi isn't apart of the pool game, but not Kasumi? Maybe I am just getting my time-frames mixed up, but wouldn't this scene take place in the new semester? Has Kasumi not joined yet or has Kasumi been taken away? The new Persona 5 R trailer certainly has big implications when it comes to Kasumi.
the pool game has them in their base game winter outfits, so i assume it takes place around the time of the casino when akechi is still keeping up the act

kasumi doesn't look like she joins until january with the new palace, and from what we saw before, new year's is the first time she's really getting to know party members outside joker, who i assume meets her periodically throughout the game and invites her along to new year's
 

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I haven’t checked out this thread in a while, huh?

Anyway, Joker’s trailer was great. Seeing Akechi in action, and seeing a bit more of the Velvet Twins was great as well.
 

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So, a sub of the 3rd big P5R trailer has been released and I still can't figure out what's going on. Any ideas?
 

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the pool game has them in their base game winter outfits, so i assume it takes place around the time of the casino when akechi is still keeping up the act

kasumi doesn't look like she joins until january with the new palace, and from what we saw before, new year's is the first time she's really getting to know party members outside joker, who i assume meets her periodically throughout the game and invites her along to new year's
Oh. That is a very good point. We overlooked that. Oops.

So, a sub of the 3rd big P5R trailer has been released and I still can't figure out what's going on. Any ideas?
I'm not even going to bother spoilering this: I have literally no idea what is happening. As much as I love writing fanfiction loosely justified by trailers, I'm without a clue here haha.
 

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since it's come up and we've got a lot more trailer stuff to work with now, this is how i'm pretty sure royal plays out up to the point of kasumi's major involvement
  • april-december 24: almost completely identical to the base game. kasumi and the totally-not-evil counselor are introduced as seemingly-unimportant confidant-type characters who occasionally chime in on the story, with kasumi's confidant only going up to rank 5 to give her an extra 5 ranks to work with once she becomes important. akechi still gets his ambiguous fate, and the final boss is killed as normal. kasumi may find some means of accessing the metaverse and using her crazy acrobatics skills to help joker out, given the scene that seems to take place in the casino, but hasn't awoken her persona yet.
  • december 25: the first big change; joker doesn't go to jail, allowing for the third semester. why this happens is anyone's guess--maybe it's the 'wish' of the public that the phantom thieves go unpunished?
  • new year: joker invites longtime pal kasumi along to the new year's festival and introduces her properly to the other thieves.
  • start of january: joker starts noticing weird things going on with the granted wishes, culminating in akechi somehow still being alive (if they're playing up the fanservice, being able to save akechi would probably have been his wish). akechi, realising he's meant to be dead, meets up with joker and asks him if he's ok with living in whatever false reality's been conjured up (as we've seen in his trailer).
  • mid-january: thieves are somehow convinced something's wrong (yusuke's line in the new trailer) and discover the new palace with akechi in tow; kasumi also ends up there as an ally
from that point on, **** knows - however i do think it's worth noting that kasumi's involvement in the 'original' p5 story is a lot smaller than what atlus would have you believe with the size of her face on the box art
 
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So, this is my attempt at trying to figure things out in this trailer. Here we go.
"The Blue Blood": So, around the 35 second mark we have someone bleeding out blue... something. I am thinking that the person "bleeding" is Yusuke, as the pants and shoes seem to match. I have no clue what is happening though. Also, while the environment seems familiar, I can't pinpoint where this scene is. Can someone help?

"Kasumi Alone": The scene right after has Kasumi surrounded by shadows. I am just curious what those enemies are more that trying to figure out why she is alone. It's kinda freaking me out that so much of this palace seems so... gooey. Kasumi is later on grabbed by tentacles that give me a similar feeling to these enemies. I know that many have said that there is little chance of it coming back and I certainly don't have enough knowledge of it, but all of this is giving me major Nyarlathotep. those enemies even seem to have similar faces to it.

"Kasumi Unmasked": This caught me off guard. Around the 43 second mark, we see Kasumi loose her gear. Now, we saw a part of this scene long ago, but we had hint at her loosing her powers. Context wise, this likely means that whatever is in charge of the palace doesn't see her as a threat anymore, which could play quite well into her arc.

"Joker Letting Go": Okay, this is rather easy. Simply put, at the 46 second mark we see Joker letting go of something. Considering the background, this seems to be when he let's go of the helicopter and possibly pulls a messiah on everyone. Actually, I think this may directly lead into the scene we see at 1:29, considering the architecture we can see around him and the fact that is falling pretty fast.

"Joker and Qrow": There are several points in the latter half of the video where it's just Joker and Qrow alone within the palace. I have zero clue when it comes to context, especially since Morgana is also MIA. All that is shown is that Joker and Qrow face something that exudes a lot of blue energy and that Qrow may introduce himself by seemingly attempting to shoot someone in the face(That scene at 1:15 does seem to take place right outside of the palace).
Either that or he wants someone to delete something.

"Kasumi is in the Void": I... have no words. It's Kasumi in a white void, what can I do with this? Maybe she dies or something? Maybe this is part of the reason Joker could pull a messiah? I have no clue. She does seem surprisingly happy though.

I did not take the dialogue into account, as at this point it's all clearly from all over the game and most of the time not from the scenes shown. It makes guessing hard, so I just focused on the scenes alone.
 

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"Kasumi Alone": The scene right after has Kasumi surrounded by shadows. I am just curious what those enemies are more that trying to figure out why she is alone. It's kinda freaking me out that so much of this palace seems so... gooey. Kasumi is later on grabbed by tentacles that give me a similar feeling to these enemies. I know that many have said that there is little chance of it coming back and I certainly don't have enough knowledge of it, but all of this is giving me major Nyarlathotep. those enemies even seem to have similar faces to it.
The P5R hentai is lookin pretty weird.
 

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Guys, what if Kasumi somehow loses her powers and regains them in the new palace? That would explain why she has them in the casino
 
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So, this is my attempt at trying to figure things out in this trailer. Here we go.
"The Blue Blood": So, around the 35 second mark we have someone bleeding out blue... something. I am thinking that the person "bleeding" is Yusuke, as the pants and shoes seem to match. I have no clue what is happening though. Also, while the environment seems familiar, I can't pinpoint where this scene is. Can someone help?

"Kasumi Alone": The scene right after has Kasumi surrounded by shadows. I am just curious what those enemies are more that trying to figure out why she is alone. It's kinda freaking me out that so much of this palace seems so... gooey. Kasumi is later on grabbed by tentacles that give me a similar feeling to these enemies. I know that many have said that there is little chance of it coming back and I certainly don't have enough knowledge of it, but all of this is giving me major Nyarlathotep. those enemies even seem to have similar faces to it.

"Kasumi Unmasked": This caught me off guard. Around the 43 second mark, we see Kasumi loose her gear. Now, we saw a part of this scene long ago, but we had hint at her loosing her powers. Context wise, this likely means that whatever is in charge of the palace doesn't see her as a threat anymore, which could play quite well into her arc.

"Joker Letting Go": Okay, this is rather easy. Simply put, at the 46 second mark we see Joker letting go of something. Considering the background, this seems to be when he let's go of the helicopter and possibly pulls a messiah on everyone. Actually, I think this may directly lead into the scene we see at 1:29, considering the architecture we can see around him and the fact that is falling pretty fast.

"Joker and Qrow": There are several points in the latter half of the video where it's just Joker and Qrow alone within the palace. I have zero clue when it comes to context, especially since Morgana is also MIA. All that is shown is that Joker and Qrow face something that exudes a lot of blue energy and that Qrow may introduce himself by seemingly attempting to shoot someone in the face(That scene at 1:15 does seem to take place right outside of the palace).
Either that or he wants someone to delete something.

"Kasumi is in the Void": I... have no words. It's Kasumi in a white void, what can I do with this? Maybe she dies or something? Maybe this is part of the reason Joker could pull a messiah? I have no clue. She does seem surprisingly happy though.

I did not take the dialogue into account, as at this point it's all clearly from all over the game and most of the time not from the scenes shown. It makes guessing hard, so I just focused on the scenes alone.
I admire your dedication to this. I wasn't going to bother doing any speculation, but since you went for it I'll join you for a bit...

Blue Blood: I want to say this is on the Cruise Liner, but I'm not really sure and I don't know why I think that. It would make more sense if it was part of a new painting-themed-boss-puzzle in the Museum.

Kasumi Alone: I mean, it's possible we have a Lovecraftian palace. I hadn't considered what we would do as the original bosses where the 7 Princes of Hell. We're kind of out of those now and I doubt we will have the time to go into the 7 Heavenly Virtues (plus, like how does one beat up the concept of Temperance).

Unmasked: Yeah, probably just her not becoming a threat IMO.

Joker and Qrow: I had never heard of Black Mask being called Qrow before, so I'm 100% thinking of RWBY. Either way, probably a fanservice-y "You need to distract the boss" infiltration where they do it together as neither fully trusts the other to do it alone. Definitely cool though.

Kasumi in the Void: I don't have anything resembling a clue here. Voids are nice this time of year, I guess.

Guys, what if Kasumi somehow loses her powers and regains them in the new palace? That would explain why she has them in the casino
We haven't seen her have all of her powers in the casino though... I feel like they would have shown her persona there by now if she had it - like, there isn't much reason to hide that.
 

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Blue Blood: I want to say this is on the Cruise Liner, but I'm not really sure and I don't know why I think that. It would make more sense if it was part of a new painting-themed-boss-puzzle in the Museum.
It would be rather interesting if a cognitive version of Yusuke was a boss, but we know that Madarame doesn't see him as anymore that a painting. Actually, what if we actually had to face boss versions of our own party, considering the fact that they are sometimes missing in trailer and may be manipulated by the wishes.
Kasumi Alone: I mean, it's possible we have a Lovecraftian palace. I hadn't considered what we would do as the original bosses where the 7 Princes of Hell. We're kind of out of those now and I doubt we will have the time to go into the 7 Heavenly Virtues (plus, like how does one beat up the concept of Temperance).
Yeah, I kinda forgot the sins were a thing for these palaces. You did mention before that some more Lovecraftian enemies were coming back for this palace, correct? Wonder what that means for the creator of the palace. As for the virtues, could the phantom thieves besides Joker and Crow be seen as representatives?
Joker and Qrow: I had never heard of Black Mask being called Qrow before, so I'm 100% thinking of RWBY. Either way, probably a fanservice-y "You need to distract the boss" infiltration where they do it together as neither fully trusts the other to do it alone. Definitely cool though.
Oh god, I didn't mean to do that. RWBY must be effecting me on a subconscious level. And way, when it comes to Joker and Crow I think this is a scenario where the rest of the party is unable(Or unwilling) to help for some reason rather than it being a strategical reason. After all, we did have Akechi confront Joker about this dream reality in his trailer.

As for general trailer stuff now that I have had more time, I am really starting to feel the protag vibes coming off Kasumi in this trailer, as well as my feeling about Joker pulling a Messiah getting all the more sure. Heck, some of the comments in the sub video I watched are also starting to get the same vibes. I will send a link to said video just in case anyone is curious. The fact that the trailer is starting to exude that sort of tone says a lot, especally since nothing was explicit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF55HgWhreo

I will say, one comment did point out something that I had not notice, but I do now see meaning in.
RaiShou
"The way, Akira walks off at the end with Morgana...is kinda giving me bad vibes"
Yeah, that shot feels rather symbolic, doesn't it?
 
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It would be rather interesting if a cognitive version of Yusuke was a boss, but we know that Madarame doesn't see him as anymore that a painting. Actually, what if we actually had to face boss versions of our own party, considering the fact that they are sometimes missing in trailer and may be manipulated by the wishes.
Ooooooo. That would be very interesting! Good point about the painting as well...

Yeah, I kinda forgot the sins were a thing for these palaces. You did mention before that some more Lovecraftian enemies were coming back for this palace, correct? Wonder what that means for the creator of the palace. As for the virtues, could the phantom thieves besides Joker and Crow be seen as representatives?
I think we saw the Lovecraftian enemies in Mementos, not this palace per say, but we are having them come back after a long absence. That said, my first thought was the tentacles were Futaba's from Necronomicon, which is also Lovecraftian... No idea who will lead this new palace.

I mean, Kasumi's Arcana is Faith, which is a virtue already. I guess you could loosely align other people, but I feel like they'd all have to be kind of a stretch, as the Thieves so often subvert things...

Oh god, I didn't mean to do that. RWBY must be effecting me on a subconscious level. And way, when it comes to Joker and Crow I think this is a scenario where the rest of the party is unable(Or unwilling) to help for some reason rather than it being a strategical reason. After all, we did have Akechi confront Joker about this dream reality in his trailer.
I googled it and apparently Qrow has been a fan name for the Black Mask version of Akechi before - no idea if that was intended RWBY reference with whoever came up with it or if it was just from the Qatherine school of thought (yes, she is named Qartherine with a Q in English too according to English reviews). I could see it being unwilling party members, but Morgana and Kasumi missing when it seems evident they are the first two the join the new Thieves. So, I could see it being a split-up.

As for general trailer stuff now that I have had more time, I am really starting to feel the protag vibes coming off Kasumi in this trailer, as well as my feeling about Joker pulling a Messiah getting all the more sure. Heck, some of the comments in the sub video I watched are also starting to get the same vibes. I will send a link to said video just in case anyone is curious. The fact that the trailer is starting to exude that sort of tone says a lot, especally since nothing was explicit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF55HgWhreo

I will say, one comment did point out something that I had not notice, but I do now see meaning in.
RaiShou
"The way, Akira walks off at the end with Morgana...is kinda giving me bad vibes"
Yeah, that shot feels rather symbolic, doesn't it?
Yeah, agreed. I think it's getting more obvious. The main thing that makes me feel like its happening is that we have yet to see anything post-1st-new-palace. Unless they actually just have 1 palace worth of story to add on in this entire new term, then they must be hiding something big...
 

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Ooooooo. That would be very interesting! Good point about the painting as well...
It would kinda be like fighting the p4 shadows again, now that I think about it. It would be neat to see the twisted versions of these characters we have come to know.
I think we saw the Lovecraftian enemies in Mementos, not this palace per say, but we are having them come back after a long absence. That said, my first thought was the tentacles were Futaba's from Necronomicon, which is also Lovecraftian... No idea who will lead this new palace.
Yeah, Kasumi getting grabbed by the tentacles did remind me of the Futaba awakening. Except this time it's much more malevolent in nature. Question, are the lovecraft enemies appearing on the new floors of Mementos?
I mean, Kasumi's Arcana is Faith, which is a virtue already. I guess you could loosely align other people, but I feel like they'd all have to be kind of a stretch, as the Thieves so often subvert things...
Fair, but it's not like Kasumi can carry all of those virtues alone.
I googled it and apparently Qrow has been a fan name for the Black Mask version of Akechi before - no idea if that was intended RWBY reference with whoever came up with it or if it was just from the Qatherine school of thought (yes, she is named Qartherine with a Q in English too according to English reviews). I could see it being unwilling party members, but Morgana and Kasumi missing when it seems evident they are the first two the join the new Thieves. So, I could see it being a split-up.
I am guessing that people just wanted a shorter name when referring to Black Mask, so they just chose a variant of Crow with Qrow. As for the context of the situation, both Joker and Qrow(I guess I will just adopt this variant way of referring to Black Mask, as it is easier) seem to be going further into the palace still(We see them going up an elevator, not down) and they run into something that seems rather powerful. If I were to throw something randomly out there with little evidence backing me up, I almost get the feeling that they are on some sort of rescue mission. For whom, I don't know.
Yeah, agreed. I think it's getting more obvious. The main thing that makes me feel like its happening is that we have yet to see anything post-1st-new-palace. Unless they actually just have 1 palace worth of story to add on in this entire new term, then they must be hiding something big...
I think there will only be this palace, as it seems to be rather dynamic and important, but I agree we have seen a suspicious lack of anything beyond it. I would expect most companies to hide that sort of thing, but Atlas has been so trigger happy on spoilers that it makes it stand out a bit.

I am sure there will be one final sort of challenge for the team afterwards that could be seen as another palace, as having Joker bite the dust but not getting the opportunity to control a team led by Kasumi would feel like a major waste of an opportunity.
 

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It would kinda be like fighting the p4 shadows again, now that I think about it. It would be neat to see the twisted versions of these characters we have come to know.
Yeah, it would be very P4-y, but still. It could work.

Yeah, Kasumi getting grabbed by the tentacles did remind me of the Futaba awakening. Except this time it's much more malevolent in nature. Question, are the lovecraft enemies appearing on the new floors of Mementos?
I think they were just in the regular floors, as if they're being added retroactively as part of a new Arcana.... I was honestly first thinking that Futaba was the person grabbing Kasumi, but she should have Prometheus....

Fair, but it's not like Kasumi can carry all of those virtues alone.
Definitely true. I'll, uh, try:

Prudence: A very fancy word for reasonable, Makoto wins this one. While her first action as part of the Thieves isn't very prudent, she's a smart person who thinks attacks through and is organized.
Justice: So, uh, this works with everyone, but Ann has a big speech towards to the beginning about justice that has stuck with me. I'm giving it to her.
Fortitude: This works with everyone too... I'm giving it to Ryuji, as he has a death fake-out and puts up with a lot of stuff. Haru comes in second place, but...
Temperance: I feel like I should go for Haru. She is revealed to be a sadist in the metaverse, but she's shy and reserved in general.
Faith: Kasumi, evidently.
Hope: I'm giving this to Futaba. She didn't start with that much hope, but she conquered her fears and has grown so much.
Love: Morgana has a lot of love, which sounds like he may forgo for the greater good. So, I'll give him that.

How's that?

I am guessing that people just wanted a shorter name when referring to Black Mask, so they just chose a variant of Crow with Qrow. As for the context of the situation, both Joker and Qrow(I guess I will just adopt this variant way of referring to Black Mask, as it is easier) seem to be going further into the palace still(We see them going up an elevator, not down) and they run into something that seems rather powerful. If I were to throw something randomly out there with little evidence backing me up, I almost get the feeling that they are on some sort of rescue mission. For whom, I don't know.
Yeah, I'm guessing that too. Qrow works. Maybe Kasumi and Morgana do get taken at one point - perhaps via, just spitballing here, tentacles?

I think there will only be this palace, as it seems to be rather dynamic and important, but I agree we have seen a suspicious lack of anything beyond it. I would expect most companies to hide that sort of thing, but Atlas has been so trigger happy on spoilers that it makes it stand out a bit.
I mean, we're supposed to be getting a whole new term. Unless this palace is very large with a lot of real-life time-locks, then I don't know how there would only be the one. It also probably would be weird pacing going from the original game to suddenly having a term with just one palace? Idk. Yeah, ATLUS is acting really weird with spoilers lately.

I am sure there will be one final sort of challenge for the team afterwards that could be seen as another palace, as having Joker bite the dust but not getting the opportunity to control a team led by Kasumi would feel like a major waste of an opportunity.
Oh, yeah, I'm sure there will be at least one new final palace, but I'm thinking we'll get 3 more in total: two based on humans and one for Sophia.
 

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I think they were just in the regular floors, as if they're being added retroactively as part of a new Arcana.... I was honestly first thinking that Futaba was the person grabbing Kasumi, but she should have Prometheus....
Maybe it has something to do with the whole "Shadow Phantom Thieves" idea.
Definitely true. I'll, uh, try:

Prudence: A very fancy word for reasonable, Makoto wins this one. While her first action as part of the Thieves isn't very prudent, she's a smart person who thinks attacks through and is organized.
Justice: So, uh, this works with everyone, but Ann has a big speech towards to the beginning about justice that has stuck with me. I'm giving it to her.
Fortitude: This works with everyone too... I'm giving it to Ryuji, as he has a death fake-out and puts up with a lot of stuff. Haru comes in second place, but...
Temperance: I feel like I should go for Haru. She is revealed to be a sadist in the metaverse, but she's shy and reserved in general.
Faith: Kasumi, evidently.
Hope: I'm giving this to Futaba. She didn't start with that much hope, but she conquered her fears and has grown so much.
Love: Morgana has a lot of love, which sounds like he may forgo for the greater good. So, I'll give him that.

How's that?
Seems good, but I am by no means the best judge of this sort of thing. Looking on the whole idea, though, it's kinda weird that we wouldn't be able to naturally include everyone.
Yeah, I'm guessing that too. Qrow works. Maybe Kasumi and Morgana do get taken at one point - perhaps via, just spitballing here, tentacles?
Ah, yes, tentacles.
I mean, we're supposed to be getting a whole new term. Unless this palace is very large with a lot of real-life time-locks, then I don't know how there would only be the one. It also probably would be weird pacing going from the original game to suddenly having a term with just one palace? Idk. Yeah, ATLUS is acting really weird with spoilers lately.
Ah, that makes sense. It being the only palace would make it quite the gauntlet. More palaces make sense.
Oh, yeah, I'm sure there will be at least one new final palace, but I'm thinking we'll get 3 more in total: two based on humans and one for Sophia.
Got any ideas on who those two humans are? I imagine I know one of your choices(Because we all agree that he is suspicious as heck).

Also, how do you guys feel about the whole SNK leak going around?
 

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Maybe it has something to do with the whole "Shadow Phantom Thieves" idea.
That is possible... It’d be interesting, but idk if it is likely...

Seems good, but I am by no means the best judge of this sort of thing. Looking on the whole idea, though, it's kinda weird that we wouldn't be able to naturally include everyone.
Yeah... It’s a bit of an inherently flawed set-up. The fact they couldn’t cover everyone is a problem, but the fact Kasumi has one as a tarot makes me think they’ll do something with them at least...

Ah, yes, tentacles.
I mean, something must be going on there...

Ah, that makes sense. It being the only palace would make it quite the gauntlet. More palaces make sense.
Definitely. It’s just weird we haven’t seen any of them yet...

Got any ideas on who those two humans are? I imagine I know one of your choices(Because we all agree that he is suspicious as heck)
Maybe the dude we see grabbing Kasumi in the first trailer is some sort of bad sportsperson? Start the new section of the game like the old one... Then the other palace is probably the therapist? What do you think?

Also, how do you guys feel about the whole SNK leak going around?
I’ve seen you in other threads, but it seems pretty exciting to me. I wanted something a bit more niche, so this fits nicely. I’ll be less excited if it’s Terry though...
 

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Yeah... It’s a bit of an inherently flawed set-up. The fact they couldn’t cover everyone is a problem, but the fact Kasumi has one as a tarot makes me think they’ll do something with them at least...
Yeah, Kasumi having the faith is the big thing here. It only gets more complicated with it only being 5 levels and having its strange ripped design.
I mean, something must be going on there...
Definitely. I am sure it's just not some random aesthetic thing they throw in there for some weird reason.

Futabas awakening
Definitely. It’s just weird we haven’t seen any of them yet...
Obviously, if Joker does die, it will be kinda hard to hide the fact that Joker isn't leading the party anymore. They may be fine with spoiling so many other plot points, but that one is a monster of a plot point.
Maybe the dude we see grabbing Kasumi in the first trailer is some sort of bad sportsperson? Start the new section of the game like the old one... Then the other palace is probably the therapist? What do you think?
Maybe, but that guy seems kinda generic. Forgot that scene even existed in fact. And I agree that the therapist will probably have a palace.

I’ve seen you in other threads, but it seems pretty exciting to me. I wanted something a bit more niche, so this fits nicely. I’ll be less excited if it’s Terry though...
Did you mistype that first part of the sentence, because I don't get the context. As for my thoughts, I am rooting for either Terry or Makoruru(Her more so). Terry seems kinda generic, but I rather like his Engrish.
 

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Yeah, Kasumi having the faith is the big thing here. It only gets more complicated with it only being 5 levels and having its strange ripped design.
Yeah... I still kind of am partial to the earlier idea of her changing Arcana throughout...

Definitely. I am sure it's just not some random aesthetic thing they throw in there for some weird reason.

Futabas awakening
I mean. Yes. They could just be doing fanservice. I’d hope they wouldn’t have some sort of tagential explanation at least though.

Actually, what if they are Futaba’s? She takes Kasumi and Morgana away by force, leading to the Akechi and Joker rescue. Thieves vs Thieves.

Obviously, if Joker does die, it will be kinda hard to hide the fact that Joker isn't leading the party anymore. They may be fine with spoiling so many other plot points, but that one is a monster of a plot point.
Yeah, definitely agreed. It also could explain them being willing to show some stuff that would be otherwise weird - it’s worth showing Qrow turn up if it distracts people from later twists.

Maybe, but that guy seems kinda generic. Forgot that scene even existed in fact. And I agree that the therapist will probably have a palace.
True... Maybe he works for a big bad as an enforcer? Therapist palace seems very likely.

Did you mistype that first part of the sentence, because I don't get the context. As for my thoughts, I am rooting for either Terry or Makoruru(Her more so). Terry seems kinda generic, but I rather like his Engrish.
I mean that you probably know where I stand already, as we’ve been in other threads together. Yeah, Terry is fine by me, but I’d rather someone a bit more out-there for our second/third fighting game rep.
 
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Anyone have Direct hopes for tomorrow?
I just want to be surprised. I will say though, I doubt we will see any Atlus stuff in the direct sadly. SMT V is MIA, mainline Persona 5 is just too linked to Sony, Scramble has its own announcment much later, and while it would be nice, I don't see P3 or P4 ports.
 

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General consensus for the newcomer right now is Terry.

I have no real hopes that I see are realistic so I'm just along for the ride.
Fair! Good job keeping your expectations in check - most people seem to have unrealistic expectations that they declare realistic haha.

I just want to be surprised. I will say though, I doubt we will see any Atlus stuff in the direct sadly. SMT V is MIA, mainline Persona 5 is just too linked to Sony, Scramble has its own announcment much later, and while it would be nice, I don't see P3 or P4 ports.
Surprises sound good. I think we will see SMTV return at the TGS, probably with a short gameplay-focused trailer, as they did say back in their New Years update that they would show it off in 2019. I don't forsee anything ATLUS in the direct though.
 

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more fighters being sold individually was the best news kasumi could have today
 

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TOKYO MIRAGE SESSIONS #FE ENCORE! HUZZAH! YAY! HURRAY!

Also, I notice the use of "Fire Emblem and worlds of ATLUS." Nintendo isn't even pretending that this isn't just a general ATLUS crossover at this point.
 
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